Topic: Why I am now beginning to believe in electrodermal diagnostic testing...
tick battler
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I would love to hear any thoughts about this, particularly those who believe in rife therapy since this appears to be utilizing a similar concept!
I recently took my entire family to a woman who uses a machine which uses bioenergetic or electrodermal screening to diagnose various diseases. She is an RN who worked for 20 years at a hospital until she had to stop due to "arthritis" which turned out to be Lyme. She was told it was incurable. She healed herself with herbs and became interested in this diagnostic technique.
I had met this woman once before several months ago when I went along with my neighbor on her first visit to observe and take notes. She mostly follows the Cowden protocol but also recommends parasite treatments and some homeopathic meds for viruses.
Since I have been recently researching rife more extensively, I have started to believe that this machine might actually be valid, since it uses frequencies to detect bacteria, viruses and other things in the body. I am not sure how similar it is to rife (maybe someone can clarify), but now that I believe that frequencies can be detected through rife, I am more open to believing they can through other machines.
I took my family to her just before Christmas this year and this is what I observed and learned:
2. This machine found evidence of babesia, bartonella and Lyme in all of my children, which is what I expected and is consistent with test results. It also found mycoplasma and erlichia, which had not shown up in testing.
3. This machine can apparently determine if certain herbs or abx are helping the infections in the body. You can place the herb or abx on the metal tray while you are holding a metal cylindar attached to the machine and it will show it getting rid of the infection on the screen if that is the correct treatment.
For example, I put bactrim on the tray while my son was being tested and it came up as helping his bartonella infection. I did this with my daughter as well. I know the bactrim is helping both of their symptoms since when I try to take them off it, their bart symtpoms come back within days.
I have recently started my boys on Enula and it did not show up helping their babs but did show it was helping their Erlichia! Has anyone heard of using Enula for Erlichia? Their ears turn red after I give it to them, so I suspect it is doing something. I have not been able to tie it to any symptoms except I think it is helping reduce night sweats in one of my boys.
When I put cryptolepsis on the tray, it showed up helping my boys' babesia.
My husband's test didn't show any babesia, which was a surprise but his only likely babs symptom is occasional night sweats and insomnia, which could be attributed to other infections. And he has been treating babs on and off two years. When we put cryptolepsis on the tray for him, it didn't show up as helping him.
It was interesting that their current protocols mostly did not show up as helping them, which is what I expected since they have been on these drugs for months and they seem to have plateaued.
When we put new things they had not taken such as Flagyl on the tray, it showed it worked on lyme for one child and bart for the other. It also showed up as helping my husband. Samento and Cumanda also showed up as effective for their infections.
All of us tested positive for Candida and for parasites (worms). When I put the children's humaworm on the tray for my boys, it showed it would get rid of the worms. I have had this product and have not yet treated them with it.
All tested positive for EBV and CMV, which was expected. She suspected my husband's unlrelenting headache could be from EBV...has anyone heard of this being a cause of a constant headache?
4. My husband recently gave me the book "Natural Cures They Don't Want you To Know About" by Kevin Trudeau. I don't think this book mentions Lyme or rife but I started reading it last night and guess what...he mentions this type of machine on page 2 of his book!!! This machine and the practioner who used it on him actually saved his life and introduced him to natural/alternative medicine in his early 20's. (He had a heart condition which mainstream docs said was incurable.) I couldn't believe my eyes when he referred to Dr. Voll.
5. These machines are apparently used extensively in Germany and in other countries but are not approved medical devices in this country.
Anyway, I wanted to share this in case any of you would be interested in it and also to see what your thoughts might be about this type of diagnostic tool.
Thanks,
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I never heard of this, but it sure sounds interesting.
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" My husband recently gave me the book "Natural Cures They Don't Want you To Know About" by Kevin Trudeau."
Anytime you see Kevin Trudeau's name associated with anything, be very leery of it. Google his name and you'll see why.
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I've also had a lot of success with EAV, but I've found there are caveats. The skill of the practitioner is critical as the stylus positioning and pressure can affect readings as well as the practitioners mindset. If you are extremely metal toxic results can be off because the metal can affect the electrical readings. A supplement that clears a particular channel can have a negative affect on other channels so all the supplements recommended must be checked at te end of the session to ensure they yield an overall balance.
EAV is much more sensitive than blood tests and has the potential to greatly improve diagnosis and treatment. Unfortunately, the powers that be have suppressed its use and persecuted many who have utilized it. The technique and machines would be much more developed had that not happened. Hopefully, with the support of people like us, more will start useing this testing and it will improve the expertise of the technology and practitioner skill.
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eds, Thanks so much for your comments! Very encouraging. Just saw my LLMD today and he confirmed that this can work, if the practitioner is good. He has tried it himself and believes in it.
gwb - Yes, Kevin Trudeau seems a little slippery. He did admit that he was in jail for two years but didn't say why...sounded like something related to $$$. I haven't read much more of the book, but was astounded that in the first few pages he was describing the same machine that I just tried. It is just one more person who believes in this therapy.
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My wife and myself were tested by a EAV device, but I should have went in and not told him anything about our respective conditions. Since we did talk to him about my Crohn's and my wife's Lyme, it would not have been too difficult to come up with pathogens associated with both diseases, with or without the device.
He did find Lyme and Babesia in my wife, but I had already mentioned both of those. He found H-Pylori in myself, which I did have at one time. He also said my allergies were the result of a tetanus shot. Hard to prove something like that one way or another.
I found it interesting, but the lack of information on the method and its mechanism kind of left me skeptical. Had he found the same pathogens without knowledge of our illnesses, I would be impressed, but I did not think of testing it that way, until after the appointment.
Since I used to be an amateur magician, I am always aware of ways these type of things can be faked. So until I can test it blinded, I am on the fence.
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eds - excellent take on the machine, its use and the practitioners skills.
I have used one for allergy / sensitivity testing since about 2000. Began doing other applications since about 2006.
I got stuck waiting in Barnes + Noble one day for about 3 hours. Cruised Trudeau's first natural health book + agreed with about 80% of it. Did not shoot the messenger - even tho the source may have been a bit suspect, the message itself was good.
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Correct me if I am wrong but when I had it done I was told it cannot diagnose any particular disease.
It can only tell areas of weakness, stressed areas in different body systems for example, skin, liver, endocrine etc...
red shows stress, yellow weakened and green balanced
Way before I was diagnosed with lyme the practicioner told me I had a infection of unknown origin but couldn't tell me what.
Also had a teeth EAV done. It can tell infections and compatability of dental materials.
I found it very helpful but haven't kept up with it kinda drains the pockets.
-------------------- Bart Henslea 1976 Fibro/CFS/arthritis 2004 Lyme diagnosed 2007 3 1/2 years treatment with oral combos, Cowden, IV roc. BW herbs. Off all abx in 12/10. Feeling good. Posts: 647 | From NY | Registered: Dec 2007
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The machine used on me had the frequencies for the various organisms for bartonella hensalea, babesia microti, lyme, etc...so the practitioner was able to tell me which microbes were in my body.
It did change color like you said when those microbes were present.
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I am very interested in electrodermal testing and have an appointment to be tested this coming week, and will give feedback when I return.
I am not sure about the skill of the practitioner and agree that the caveat is getting someone who really has a skill and sensitivity to this process.
My hope is to able to use the practitioner to help determine which antibiotics and supplements resonate with me. That's not to say, I will do so blindly, it's just more feedback to include in the decision.
I am very curious about the whole thing.....
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Energetic tests can really make treatment goes faster. Much faster than any trial and error, in my opinion.
DBergy, you can ask the guy to test other pathogens (hundreds) and you'll certainly find something you wouldn't expect.
But only screening (testing) is one thing. Finding a thorough treatment is another.
The machine is a big help as energetic tests are a big help, but a treatment line will come from the head of a person, not from a machine (even though it is an excellent tool, MUCH better than trial and error).
I created my own protocol for EACH critter doing energetic tests (see my thread I pulled up called Bartonella alternative Protocol). I did the same for babesia, ehrlichia, rickettsia, and anything else that showed up during months, now years (I treat any cold the same way).
I only stop treating something when I get a balance (enough to eliminate that pathogen). And believe me, once you get the right protocol for each bug, your ecosystem will change fast and you'll need tuning things fast again until there are no more cysts, dormant forms, nothing left.
The infectious diseases inside a body change in an amazing speed, infections get dormant, others rise, get dormant, etc, until everything is cleared.
It was the most wonderful tool I discovered during lyme. Electroacupuncture following Voll tests all acupuncture points that need treatment in the same way. It is also very interesting.
But all that is only a technique. There must be a good brain behind to help people with chronic conditions, because what we need is much more than only killing critters. Killing critters though is essential.
One can create a whole cleansing protocol the same way for each detox organ of the body (liver, lymph, kidneys, intestines, skin) and change it according to the progress.
One can create a whole acupuncture protocol for treatment of symptoms or to balance the body's meridians.
One can create a treatment protocol for psychological problems (for example, someone that feels that is better to be sick than healthy, even though the person says he wants to be better, one can discover that through such electrodermal tests or energetic tests). And so on.
It's a wonderful tool, but it doesn't substitute the practioner. A good practioner needs good tools to get clients well.
A good practioner with bad tools takes longer to help clients. A bad practioner with good tools will only do as much as the tool can help.
But nevertheless, I still find such tests amazing!
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I had a practitioner test my entire protocol with one of these machines every couple of months for about a year and a half. My mepron and antibiotics (including IV- which I brought to be tested) and they all came out as positive. We also supplemented with additional detox and organ supports such as chlorella and milk thistle, chinese herbs, antiparasitics, adrenal stuff, etc based on this testing. Therefore my protocol changed over time.
I felt that I couldn't determine what dose of supplements was appropriate and this really helped me. Yes, the testing indicated lyme and babs, which I knew I had.
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TB -- if you had it done in maryland, i was assessed about 2 1/2 years ago. you described exactly the same person to a T. I was also was told what pathogens were at issue. What is interesting, I told her I had 6 root canals, but forgot where they were. Although, I did know, she was able to accurately find each one.
I truly believe the practioner I saw had a good brain as Selma profiled it in helping those with chronic conditions.
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My EDS practitioner will NOT get into the names of any diseases or infections, etc. because this can be construed as 'diagnosing'.
For legal reasons, this can get a practitioner into a lot of trouble, so be cautious about sharing too much information about your practitioner with any person you don't know fairly well.
Sad state of affairs, but that's the reality of it.
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I'm sure this is a ridiculous question, considering the technique, but can this be done remotely?
Just looking for a way to get a practitioner that is highly recommended. If you can get the best, then why not....
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nspiker - there should be many with EDS machines in your area. I suggest asking in health food stores, friends etc then you interview some of the recommended practitioners.
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steelbone, Is e-lybria similar to eav, or is it like the scio? I am not familiar with it, but do know the scio can remotely treat. However, I wasn't impressed with the scio. It was a lot of money for minimal effect. I want something that can detect what the underlying issues are, and help to determine the best protocol for me.
massman, I have found a few eav practitioners, and am trying one today. I was hoping to find someone that was really amazing and intuitive, and recommended, rather than hit-or-miss.
I'm taking abx and supplements with me. I am anxious to see what comes of it....
thanks, nancy
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Yes, it can be done remotely. I agree with Brussels in that your body changes daily or even hourly.
In my case, it wasn't very accurate. I'm sure some practitioners are very good & it can be quite helpful. It's just that it can also easily be a complete fraud in the wrong hands.
Some people have blind spots & can miss big issues - whether they do it themselves or have someone else do it for them.
It's an interesting technique but in my opinion - I like to consult with different sources, cross-reference research, & try new things. I try to be open minded & not rule anything out.
The lab tests are not accurate, so using this method may be helpful where standard tests can fail. It can also miss major issues that can be contributing to ill health & prescribe things that you don't need.
It's may be useful but use a bit of caution.
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OK, so I found someone for electrodermal testing. She uses the Asyra machine. This machine is different, in that you hold a wand in both hands, and the practitioner does not have to press on meridians, as it is done automatically.
Initially when she scanned my body for a baseline, the things that resonated out of balance were; adrenal glands, connective tissue, eyes, maxillary sinus, and parathyroid.
Then she tested for various bacteria and viruses. The main imbalance was a nanobacterium, followed by rocky mtn. spotted fever, herpes viruses(hhv-6, ebv, cmv), and mycoplasma. I am not familiar with nanobacteria, and did not know about rocky mtn. fever. Herpes viruses and mycoplasma are consistent with my blood tests and past infection. No lyme or co-infections appeared.
She tested specifically for lyme/borellia, and there was no imballance. She tested for babesia, and I tested positive for a number of babesia species. Also had her test for e-coli, and was very imbalanced for a number of e-coli bacteria. Have had an issue with e-coli, so this is consistent with issues I've had.
Then I had her test my antibiotics and supplements. It's amazing that the products I knew were good for me, resonated that my body liked them. I brought in my used IV bag for clindamycin, and it resonated that I loved it, which I do. Had positive responses for all the antibiotics, although, have never felt that zithromax did much, and she corroborated that same thing. She did say that it was neutralized in use with tindamax, which is my protocol. I gave her the script for mepron, which I am supposed to start, and it came back negative. She told me to hold off starting, which is what I had planned, and we will retest later.
Supplements were pretty much right on. I have been using my gut to know what resonates with me, and it was right on. If anything, it taught me that my gut is accurate. I didn't test positive for lyme. I do not feel that I have lyme. I tested positive for babesia, which is what I'm being treated for. We'll see, maybe the lyme has yet to show up.
I am curious tick battler, or anyone else who has used this process; when she initially scanned, did lyme and co-infections show up? My only hesitation in the process is that I had to direct her to test for lyme, babesia, and e-coli, which did NOT show up initially. Is that your experience? I wonder what other things are missed....
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You may have certain changes in your body physiology when you tested for things that you had a resonance with. It seemed to affirm that things you liked were good.
I had a remote Asyra test. It said I had mycoplasmas. I had a test done by Garth Nicholson's lab a while back & it was negative. There are things in the air that our bodies may pick up & so we may have been exposed to these things. It doesn't necessarily mean these things need to be treated.
My Asyra test missed parasites. I did some anti-parasite herbs & I passed alot of them. I actually saw them. The Asyra completely missed them.
My practitioner sold me alot of expensive supplements which didn't really do much. I did feel a response from the homeopathic mycoplasma remedy but it wasn't huge or life changing.
I'm not 100% convinced that these tests are accurate.
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The machine could tell you were holding a 'script' for Mepron? OK, that's too much for me. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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Seek -- you should see what it does with a lottery ticket.
And more on the lighter side : Be careful if you are with a significant other and the question of infidelity comes through!
I think the whole reason a famous golfer crashed his suv is because that day the golfer went to see an EDS specialist with his wife. I'm sure it will be in the enquirer.
I found out I had lyme first from an EDS scan. It was the start or trigger that lyme was possible for me. Then I was ART tested and it confirmed it for me, plus having all the symptoms clinically assessed. I've since seen a few more practioners who based on energetic testing and clinical assessment that I did have lyme.
Like Sparkle said about asyra goes with EDS. It isn't necessarily accurate. You still want to find other ways to ensure what it is you have.
The german doctor who uses photon therapy uses a bicom 2000 and determines if lyme exists or not. The bicom is also an energetic device. Several members of the board were tested to no longer have lyme based on this machine. But no longer having symptoms helps as well.
There will never be a good test about these machines. But, millions of dollars had been spent on there developement. In Russia the cosmonauts used an Oberon machine. NASA uses them as well. It just not released for the public to know.
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Yeah, testing spinal fluid is much more accurate than testing these weird non-logical energies that the world + universe are supposedly based on.
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Massman, I'm just saying how on earth can a script be tested? Really?
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It's a matter of your belief....everything holds energy, even a script, even an empty IV bag.
You may not share this belief, and that's fine. We all go about treatment in different ways. I know of someone, on another website, who is treating rheumatoid arthritis/lyme, by a naturopath. They incorporate electrodermal testing to check every product/antibiotic to see if it resonates with her body. She was having serious pain and reactions to medication; had to go off all abx and heal a leaky gut. Now she has begun to add in antibiotics again. It has worked for her.
I would rater get corroboration that I am doing what is right for my body. For those that don't believe in something like this, then clearly it not right for you. I tested Igenex negative for lyme, equivocal for babesia. Then, positive for the 31 epitope. Everyone I know has come out 31 epitope positive. These tests are notoriously inaccurate. If you were not bit by a tick, and if you test long enough, eventually something will show up. Is it really lyme, or is it another bacteria or viruse. I believe, as does Tamica, that not everything is lyme. I do believe, that you need a doctor, llmd, to treat. The result may be lyme, may not, either way it requires an experienced llmd to treat symptoms.
I don't put blind trust in any one doctor, EDS practitioner, or homeopath, but rely on my own judgment and instincts to guide me. It's just another tool.
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Nancy -- your view generally is the best I've seen and one I agree with. EDS is a tool just like blood tests. If this thread were about false positives or negatives from blood tests, I'm afraid EDS might come out ahead of it.
Some of these weird energies are in fact extremely coherent. Many times proven by Professor Fritz Popp et. al.., in there testing. All communication in the body is done by subtle energy, not a supposition, but a fact proven. Communication isn't done by chemically means (waaaaaaaay toooooo slooooow) but through biophotons (I program computers -- this I have a strong sense off).
Because of biophotons, western medicine is way behind the curve.
Given subtle energy is the manner in which the body communicates. If you could measure the frequencies generated by the human body on a consistent basis, you could understand how well or poorly a body is functioning. I suspect that is the theory behind these wonderful machines.
However these machines only work as well as the operator and sensitivity of the machine to capture and process the information. Where's consumer report when you really need them.
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I agree with Nancy. I think these modalities are really worthwhile but you have to use your own judgement, research everything & use your own intuition.
I can't say that electrodermal techniques are any worse than standard lab tests. It's good to have an objective person outside of yourself to assess medical decisions. It's very hard to do everything on your own.
That's why I really appreciate Lymenet.
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"Communication isn't done by chemically means (waaaaaaaay toooooo slooooow) but through biophotons".
Amen times 3. Why are so many so freaked out that the world really runs on energy
When a dog dies what leaves its body FIRST ? Chems or energy
Write the script on a blank paper + put it in the energy field. NO BIAS while writing it, like "there is no way this can work".
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quote: It's an interesting technique but in my opinion - I like to consult with different sources, cross-reference research, & try new things. I try to be open minded & not rule anything out.
I feel exactly the same...ultimately, I am learning what is best for me. Not just 'cuz someone told me so.
Something I forgot to mention. The practitioner was able to use the asyra to automatically create a bio-energetic homeopathic remedy, specifically for my imbalances. I'm sceptical about that.... Posts: 964 | From san diego | Registered: Oct 2009
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What did moms + dads do to their kids to make those kids almost always be skeptical ?
25 years ago, sitting in a Chinese restaurant by myself in a state I had never lived in before (with at least 4 years to go in front of me) I got my fortune cookie.
It said that when something happened in my life, I could CHOOSE to look at it 2 different ways.
Danger or opportunity. Which would I choose ?
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I guess when you have a remedy you are skeptical at the start. You've possibly voided any hope the remedy works.
A better way of using a remedy is using your body's communication system to solve something you need correction. A symptom perhaps and put heart into it working. One of the ingredients for energy medicine to work is belief.
Belief is also the rationale of the placebo affect that confounds doctors why some get well and others don't.
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Thanks lymie....I believe, I believe....
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It's good to be open minded as long as you brain doesn't fall out... (Someone once told me that.)
If I take an oxycodone - it has an effect whether I believe in it or not. Some of this belief based medicine has limitations.
If I take a glass of water & focus my belief as hard as I can on it being a cure to what ails me & drink it... does it work?
I don't know... It's not all belief based. Some of it has to do with biochemical reactions to drugs, chemicals, phytochemicals, pathogens, addressing limitations of the body, etc.
It gets me angry when someone says to me that if I don't believe in mercury poisoning - I won't get a toxic reaction when I'm exposed to it. (A physical therapist who was interested in "New Age spirituality" I went to actually believed this.)
Positive thinking is great but it has it's limitations.
Some people are running around like whackos trying to manifest a Mercedes Benz or waiting for a comet to arrive to pick them up & so forth. I have some issues with that kind of thinking.
Setting a goal & working towards it is one thing. Just thinking that your mind can manifest a mansion is a bit far fetched. I don't think anyone here who has gotten well has done it by positive thinking alone.
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"Just thinking that your mind can manifest a mansion"
That's ALL I have EVER done + boy do I have mansions
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I have more of an imagination like in Harry Potter when there was a small tent on the outside, but on the inside room for 30.
I agree with Nancy ... believe believe believe... I wonder what the Dali Lama sees on the outside and what happens when he steps on the inside. Could the Dali Lama be bitten by a cobra and with his power of being disable its venom.
I think the power we might have is more alluring then the power we don't have. I'll state my case: the movies are full of things we can't possibly do -- marvel and dc comic movies as an example.
Imagine we could manifest a mansion. We could manifest the IDSA guidelines being written to benefit lymies.
I prefer to believe more then being skeptical, because it just feels better. And Massman, I'd go after the Mansion, but the IDSA guidelines are more important. And even more important then all of that, is to find a cheap cure for everyone to get well from this curse. See, an objective target is only achieved when you believe it can be. Otherwise, you just sit at home.
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I'm not a skeptic. It's good to have goals & focus on positive outcomes. I just don't like some of the rhetoric associated with New Age hype stuff - like some ascended master or alien space brother is going to save us... (I'm not trying to offend anyone - just my opinion.)
You would not believe how hard I've been working to create a cheap way to get well... It's taken me 14 years of research. I think I might have cracked it but I can't say for sure yet. Time will tell.
Maybe a Dr. Who style telephone booth for me....?
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"I just don't like some of the rhetoric associated with New Age hype stuff"
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A few weeks ago I would have put myself in the same camp as the skeptics. However, I'm beginning to believe EDS, ART and BRS. It really makes sense.
I remember learning in school about atoms. All matter is made up of atoms. Atoms have energy--those neutrons and protons, positive and negative charges, etc. (Just think about the atom bomb--what happened when scientists figured out how to split the atom?)
You and I are made up of atoms. Atoms is where the energy is and where there is energy it makes sense that there is vibrations/frequencies (whether we can hear them or feel them).
Everything else is made up of atoms too, including Lyme and company. It makes sense that Lyme and company would have their own specific frequencies.
It makes sense there are machines (like rife) and ways to measure these frequencies in the body.
massman, about the New Age stuff, I've been doing some study and am beginning to think they stole it from the Bible.
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Skeptics know + practice focusing on the negative. ONLY.
Their energy is very negative. Not much fun to be around.
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re - EDS is new age hype stuff?
It can be... Depends on the practitioner, I suppose. I haven't ruled it out but I'm not going to break my neck to find another practitioner any time soon.
I didn't really gain much from my Asyra reading. I don't rule it out but it wasn't very accurate for me. Having blind faith in any particular product or process can be non or counter productive.
Do you think that the placebo effect can be reversed? For example - if someone thinks an herb is very strong, they may be creating adverse reactions that wouldn't normally happen.
I think all of this info about quantum theories in regards towards medicine is great... I'm just not convinced that it's going to cure everyone on the planet, yet.
We still live in 3 dimensions... Many people are suffering with very serious illnesses. It would be excellent to see everyone who is suffering to be well right now.
If this was top priority for the planet, I'm sure we would see some great changes in our reality -
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I recently posted in a separate topic some interviews with Professor Fritz Popp about biophotons and sometime back about the work of Nassim Haramein and the paper he just published mathetically describing atoms as containing blackholes at the core.
We are just starting to learn through physics how the physical world intertwines with the spiritual world. Both Popp and Haramein are two such physicists making large strides in that direction. Also letting us know their philosicphical believes.
I suspect the best remedys require the application of both a spirtual acceptance as well as a physical substance.
Sparkle the problem with the asyra reading its just not perfect. I was lucky with my EDS reading, but I don't think its any better or worse piece of equipment then asyra. It's physics just might be different.
In energy medicine not all things are perfect as to outcome. To get well in the lyme world you have to try many things. Some help, some don't. If you are a perfect skeptic, you don't think you have the disease, but you don't understand why your sick either ( it probably old age).
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sparkle7, It seems there is something to our words and thoughts. Something that happens in that energy field.
It's VERY interesting. It's regarding an experiment with water and the effect that words, spoken or written due to their frequencies, have on the water.
The research--is what it is--and the researcher comes to his own conclusions.
I see a simple, yet profound, universal principle in this research: Our words are of utmost importance, especially when you consider our bodies are 70% water.
Imagine the effect our words, prayers and meditation, have on ourselves and others dealing with Lyme.
Who'd have ever guessed our words really do have frequencies/energy. Remember that childhood saying, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me"? Not true.
(There are lots and lots of scriptures that talk about our words and the effects they have on others, including ourselves. These verses are literally more true than I ever realized. One verse says, "Life and death are in the power of the tongue" meaning our words. WOW!)
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Bob, I got a chuckle out of your closing words "probably old age".
The link attached shares how scientific evidence is showing that prayer and meditation do have an impact. Even before the research, I've seen that God answers prayer (not every time how I wanted or expected) but I've seen the results.
Reading this is just fascinating, while at the same time, mind boggling.
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The money part is a big issue, if money weren't an issue, you could try all the mechanisms of energy diagnostics from a wide range of practioners. After 4 or 5 times trying, make up your mind as to the most effective.
Money makes it a one shot deal, fair or not. I know It's an ingredient in my decision as well.
One way I save lots of money, is to avoid practioners as much as possible and try to be self reliant. To that, I've created my own diagnositic ability. So far so good!!!
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Daisy, It's great I provided you something to chuckle over. Not only did I make a point, but I offered therapy as well, double bonus!!!
I guess a skeptic is like those who look at you and assess you have all your pieces there can't be anything wrong. Skeptics can't seem to look deeper into the issue. I live with a skeptic (my wife -- bless her heart), she prefers to see the world only through her own experiences period.
I think sceptics look at themselves sometimes and determine there sick for something they did wrong. Or worse, somebody or something did it to them, ooooooooooooooh the humanity.
Just curious, if we could psychoanalyze a skeptic. Is it a type A personality with strong views on logic? What makes a skeptic tick?
I'm logical, because I have to use logic in my profession. But I usually go after the obscure opportunities and make something out of them. So, I live in a very abstract world as well, I love abstraction because nothing really has to fit and you can create your own reality. I love computers emf and all... I wonder if I could take computers+joy minus computers+emf = 0?
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