Topic: Why I am now beginning to believe in electrodermal diagnostic testing...
sparkle7
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Everything is very individualized. I don't think Blackstone or most of the people posting here are anti- Chinese medicine, EDS, medical dowsing, alternative medicine, herbs, etc.
Many Chinese techniques were from 1000s of years ago. We have new conditions that require more modern thinking. 1000s of years ago, the herbalists gave the emperor mercury & told him it will make him immortal - they were wrong... Not everything that's ancient or from a tribe in the Amazon is accurate.
My doctor is a straight MD - no woo-woo stuff & he's been more accurate than any other practitioner I've seen. He's from Italy & he spends usually an hour just listening to me. He doesn't even tell me to get alot of lab tests, etc.
Some "alternative" practitioners wanted to sell me tons of IVs, expensive supplements, etc. that I really didn't need. I know - I've been to some of the "famous" ones...
So, that why I am skeptical. I do my own dowsing & it's pretty good. I just find it amusing when people use fancy terms like "open regulation" for something like - try to clear your mind & be unbiased.
I was dowsing for many years & I never learned those terms...
Since this illness has caused me to go broke - I try to simplify things. I have found that you can get really good results with very little money.
I take things apart, cross-reference everything, & I like to think for myself. If that makes people uncomfortable or provokes ridicule - so be it.
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massman
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Well, wise one, why don't you become a lyme treater and you will be rich ! For sure !
You can really do it cheaply + easily, do it now for the sake of those here having a tough time
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@Brussels - In my case the practitioner had me remove my shoes and any metal and electronics (belt buckle, mobile phone), but that was about it. There was no explanation given as to why, or its effectiveness. Had I known more about the machine used, I may have been able to hypothesize if metal (ie the metals I was wearing, which were minimal) would have affected the results or not, and I assumed I was just taking my shoes off for the sake of politeness (ie. I was going to have my feet up on an exam table more or less, as I reclined during the machine portion).
@ Lie Detectors - I believe that many people have some misconceptions about them. They are some of the easiest things to "fake out" or beat around, to the point that they are no longer admissible for evidence in court cases in many jurisdictions. If you are nervous or in pain coming in, your baseline is going to be so different that the test can be deemed near useless. @Massman - Sometimes its hard to figure out sarcasm on the internet, but I just wanted to confirm that I wasn't putting down acupuncture or herbal medicine, in fact I was saying that those two once "alternative" treatments have now entered the mainstream because they've passed the same kinds of evaluation expected of the "conventional".
And yes, Sparkle's story isn't unique. There are many people selling alternative remedies that cost just as much as many man-made pharmaceuticals, and expecting huge amounts of money for unproven treatments. It is a very, very lucrative business. This isn't to suggest all physicians or practitioners are to blame, but it seems that a fairly large contingent can't resist the lure of profit. The worst part is, since there's no standard of care and not enough data on what is the RIGHT way, its sometimes hard to tell who and what is valid. Thus, why we need more rigid evaluation.
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Truthfinder
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Blackstone, I meant to say thanks to you for your reply. I confess that I'm still not real clear on how you `tested' the practitioner/ method using bogus data. But don't worry about it. Apparently, I'm the only one confused here.
Thanks for the encouragement, Bob and Massman.
Selma, it's interesting that you brought up the desire to get well/better. I do believe this is a major subconscious component, and it seems to take many, many forms. Some people get so beat down by ill health that they don't think they can face the world as a healthy person any longer. So, it becomes a belief that they are incapable of functioning as a healthy person, which can translate into feeling doomed. And that's just one example of the turns the mind can take.
On a conscious level we think one thing, and on another level we believe the opposite.
No wonder there are so many psychologists and shrinks in the world.
Many new unorthodox methods and medicines address the mental/emotional `states' right along with the physicals. To me, that's what true `holistic' medicine is all about (as I mentioned earlier).
Sparkle, you are right - there is much that people can do on their own with limited funds to get well or achieve greater health. That's a wonderful thing, and hopefully we'll all be mindful of any attempts by state or federal governments to limit our freedom to do so. I'm glad to hear that your dowsing is working for you.
In my case, I decided I needed help. So, I bit the bullet and spent the $$, with no guarantee that it would help one bit. All I had was a `testimonial' from a very satisfied prior client. And it took me a long time to make the decision.
One thing we have to remember any time we visit a practitioner, whether orthodox or `alternative': Somehow, they have to pay for their training and/or equipment. If they can't, then they're out of business.
Even in the alternative world, training can be lengthy and expensive, and like orthodox practice, education is an ongoing process in order to keep up with new research and technologies. Purchasing new equipment and software are also necessary periodically.
For example, eight years ago, some of these `testing machines' from Germany had a price tag of over $40,000. An ND spends a minimum of 4 years full time in college. To get a basic homeopathic `certification' in Colorado takes 2 years at a cost of over $10,000 a year, and that's just basic course consisting of weekend classes! Much more training is necessary after that to become a proficient homeopath.
When I see my EDS practitioner working pretty hard for 2-3 hours `testing' me and any products I drag in with me, and all the equipment she has hooked up, and the databases of homeopathics and products she has had to pay for on her computer, the charge of about $50-60 an hour seems pretty reasonable. And she practices in a very high-rent resort town.
Sure, she makes money on all those supplements, but if I could anticipate what I needed, she would have no objection to using any products that tested well for me. Many products I've chosen for myself have tested very well.
Anyway, cost is relative to what you receive for your investment, IMHO.
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daisyrlb
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Last night I read this thread and got caught up. Fascinating though!
Tracy, Nice how you respond to each person like that. You are so right about that mindset thing. My husband (gwb) is going through that now.
He's been sick for so long (15 years) that now that he is finally getting better his mind has to catch up with his body.
sparkle7
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massman - re: Well, wise one, why don't you become a lyme treater and you will be rich ! For sure !
Is this really necessary?
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Anyway, I try to do the best I can with what I have available.
I agree that it's good to have a second or alternate opinion from a doctor or practitioner that can confirm if you are going in the right direction or if you need to rethink things.
It's easy to get bogged down with all of the supplements, drugs & stuff we've been taking. There are a bewildering amount to products available as well as treatments, detoxes, saunas, exercise...
It's really hard to figure it all out. Some things may just be common sense but we can't see it since we may be stuck in a subjective mindset. If a practitioner who you may believe in says to stop all antibiotics & detox your system - to me it just seems like common sense.
Some people think that if they take enough abx over years of time they will be well. I don't know how some people can tell the difference between Lyme or the side effects of the abx after a while.
The same could be true of someone taking alot of supplements. I'm not picking on people doing an allopathic approach.
So, if they go see a ND & they say stop everything you're taking & do something different - seems like common sense that they may feel better.
It seems that sometimes people just need a push to try something different. I don't know if it's the people or the devices that are sensitive that can somehow pick this up.
These things are hard to prove. I guess this is what drives us all so crazy about Lyme. There are so many variables... & so many unreliables...
We can easily go broke trying all the options along the way & still not be well.
To go along with Blackstone - yes, I have heard that people can manipulate lie detectors. I don't think it's very difficult. People also can change their heart rate, etc. when they go to see a doctor just due to the stress of having an office visit....
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massman
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"Is this really necessary?"
I would say yes if what you do can help some people. Really.
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sparkle7
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I try to offer advice so people can learn to dowse for themselves. It's better than me dowsing for someone unless they are stuck & need help or a second opinion. It's really not hard. I've posted it here before.
There's plenty of websites for people to learn how to dowse. You can also get books on it on the internet or at the library. I used a silver pendant someone gave me on a cotton button thread & it works quite well. You don't have to spend alot of money on a fancy BioTensor...
I got a bobber from this man who makes them. If you want the info - you can PM me. I like the bobber for medical questions. The pendulum is for other questions (in my opinion).
It just takes a bit of practice...
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massman
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Am familiar with dowsing + have done some. Works pretty good for me.
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