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Posted by Radha (Member # 8464) on :
 
i have just been diagnosed with optic neuritis

and what has me very very worried is that this is

a common symptom of MS and i never even

considered or thought about having MS, i just

thought i had lyme and babs and possible bart,

does me getting optic nueritis definately mean i

have MS or will get MS? any info or advice would

be appreciated and does this cause permanent

vision loss or blindness? thanks for any input

Radha
 
Posted by Vermont_Lymie (Member # 9780) on :
 
Optic neuritis can be caused by lyme.

My understanding from my treatment and from lyme doctors is that treatment with antibiotics should stop its progression; it is just one of the unfortunate effects of lyme caused by a bacterial infection.

Best wishes, are you in treatment?
 
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
 
IMO and some others opinions MS IS late stage lyme.
 
Posted by dmc (Member # 5102) on :
 
Optic neuritis can be Lyme...as per the optimologist I recently saw when I told him of my past dx before find out Lyme & Co-infections.

I was DXd MS in 1988 found out Lyme in 2003.

Found the LLMD who did this" Chronic Lyme Disease: Connection to MS- Facts behind the controversy" (DVD)

http://www.newhaven.edu/unh/lyme/
 
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
 
Biaxin plus Rocephin seemed to clear mine up.

I was told by a Neuro-Ophthalmologist that I likely had MS secondary to Lyme. He wanted me to have Lumbar puncture to prove it had gone to MS.

My LLMD said it wasn't necessary because he wouldn't Tx me any differently, put me on the Biaxin & Rocephin & the MS Sx cleared up.

It's been over a year since that happened.

I do remember being scared out of my mind when all that was going on though. I'm sorry you're going through this.

hugs & prayers,
[group hug]
Ali
 
Posted by Radha (Member # 8464) on :
 
thanks so so much to all of you for replying,

what has me even more worried and scared is that

i cannot tolerate any abx at all, so will my eyes

get even worse? will all the other symptoms just

gkeep getting worse because i have been getting

slowly worse and worse and other than doing a

lumbar puncture is there any other sign or

symptom or other way i would know for sure if i

am getting MS? would oral abx eye drops fix

this? my vision is getting so much worse! thanks

again,

Radha
 
Posted by Vermont_Lymie (Member # 9780) on :
 
Have you tried amoxicillin?

It is a relatively gentle antibiotic, which is why it is given to children
and pregnant women. You need to take probiotics with amoxicillin
or any abx.

Herxing for the first few days can be unpleasant, but
with amoxicillin, what I first took, it passed after a couple of days.
 
Posted by dmc (Member # 5102) on :
 
Radha,

MS is a symptom. Years ago docs / researchers stopped trying to find it cause. Nowadays the only reasearch is from pharmacutical companies. The MS society stinks.

Lookinto LDN...used for autoimmune (&lyme)

http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org

it's not an abx but inhances immune system
 
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
 
Melatonin has a major effect on the eyes. May want to check it out.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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A lumbar puncture is not a good idea as it very rarely can detect lyme.

Do you have a LLMD? Sounds like you don't.


MS is often an umbrella diagnosis when the doctors are too lazy or uneducated to consider that, for many patients, lyme or similar infections are the root cause. Treatment for lyme or Cpn, etc., has given many "MS" patients their lives back.

This similar current thread has some great information for you. BE SURE TO SEE THIS:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/87774

Topic: Lyme and MS

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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Radha, you said you have trouble tolerating antibiotics. You might want to look at the links below.

If you find a good LL ND (Naturopatic Doctor) they may be able to design a protocol for you. Whomever you work with, though, MUST know all the science behind lyme and all the other tick-borne and stealth (hidden) infections. Most NDs do not. Get one who is LL and preferably a member of ILADS, too.

If one path becomes blocked, there is ALWAYS another way. ALWAYS.

Good luck.

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Book: Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections - by Stephen Harrod Buhner


website: http://planetthrive.com/2009/08/buhner-healing-lyme-program/

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More about allicin:

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Book: Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine - by Dr. QingCai Zhang, MD & Yale Zhang

web site: try www.sinomedresearch.org and use "clinic" and then "clinic" for the passwords or call Hepapro through www.hepapro.com


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www.lyme-disease-research-database.com/lymenutritionfile1_files/Integrated-Approach-DAN.pdf


Article: HEALING LYME DISEASE: An Integrated Approach to Curing Chronic Infection

by Daniel A. Kinderlehrer, M.D. (2004)

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www.dancingviolets.com and http://www.dancingviolets.com/media/pdf/LymeDisease.pdf


Article: Chronic Lyme Disease and Co-infections: Clinical Overview

Rebecca Snow, MS, RH (AHG), CNS, LDN

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This will link you to a bulletin board where you can pose your question:

http://www.lymebook.com/lyme-disease-rife-machines-bryan-rosner

Book: Lyme Disease and Rife Machines by Bryan Rosner
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Posted by Bugg (Member # 8095) on :
 
Radha-

Have you been to Dr. Fallon's Columbia Research website? I seem to recall they have a good posting under Frequently Asked Questions regarding MS versus Lyme...

Also, as many have posted, optic neuritis is not unusual with lyme disease...I think there may even be an abstract on optic neuritis and lyme in PubMed...Have you looked there already?
 
Posted by Vermont_Lymie (Member # 9780) on :
 
Rahda,

There are some good llmds in new york city. I am looking for names and will PM you with suggestions.
 
Posted by Abxnomore (Member # 18936) on :
 
Rahda,

I have PMed you the name of a LL Ophthalmologist.
 


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