Cass A
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Dear Friends,
I've decided to do some more parasite cleansing.
So, I got my packet of HUMAWORM in the mail today. The directions say 30 days with a minimum of 90 days before doing another 30 days. Recent comments have recommended several months continuous treatment with Humaworm. What's the story??
And, I have a bottle of Alinia. It says to use it for 3 days!! Can I take it for longer??
Recommendations??
Best,
Cass A
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glm1111
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Cass A,
Parastroy recommends staying on the herbs for 6 mos and I totally agree. I am sorry I took the 90 day break that Humaworm suggests. These parasites/worms can lay up to 200,000 eggs a day and if you don't get all of the eggs and larva, the cycle starts all over again.
I am not experiencing any signs that the parasites are building up a resistance. As far as Alinia is concerned, I doubt that 3 days will do much of anything with these kinds of infection.
Dr. K. uses both allopathic and alternative antiparasitics. I read that he uses Alinia, biltricide and several others that i can't remember for 3-4 mos and also herbs and salt/c.
You can do the round of Humaworm and then take maybe Parastroy, Hanna Kroeger or Hulda Clark. It's good to use several different ones. Hope this helps,
Gael
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The best i've felt during my Lyme treatment (Buhners) is when I've also been addressing parasites (whether heavy protocol or maintenance)
Take Glm's advice - she's been doing this for 4+ years
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Cass, 3 days of Alinia is a joke. I took 5 days as Rxed my LLMD, who is the best in the country supposedly. It did nothing. I'm believing Gael may be right about persistence.
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karenl
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My LLMD wanted me to take Alinia for weeks not days.
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GiGi
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Dr.K. doesn't get excited about Humaworm or any of these products. He is convinced that pharmaceticals work best for parasites which everyone with a chronic disease is confronted with.
You have to have a product that will cross the blood brain barrier, because that is where they like to live.
I am 100% certain that I eliminated the Lyme more easily than many because I treated parasites long before Lyme infection. I had not idea what I was doing then, long before I learned about Dr. K. But it certainly helped in the total overall approach getting parasites out of the way. Dr. K. has always insisted that when possible treat Parasites first. He starts with the smaller fry with Ivermectin and at the same time adds for some Pyrantel Pamoate (Pyrantel crosses the bbb). That is followed by Albendazole which also crosses bbb for a couple of weeks. That is followed by Alinia (crosses bbb) which is continued in some cases for several months, and longer.
ART testing and lab testing determines.
I have posted several different Power Point Presentations containing thorough details and instructions for protocols. Go to the sections for Parasites. They differ slightly, but so do people. Consider Babesia a parasite (protozoa) - it takes a bit of doing to get rid of that.
And don't forget that when you get the parasites, they will also deliver the fallout based on the Babuschka Principle. Parasites are holding many toxic metals. Fungi live in parasites. Going down the line -- bacteria live in Fungi. And then some viral flairs may show with the bacterial treatment. See Babuschka here -
It is a complete ecosystem and it should be treated in that order.
There are other pharmaceuticals he uses - again based on energtic testing. You will find the different ones in the protocols I have posted.
Take care.
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I started with Parastroy, which worked very well. I thought Albenza might work faster, so LLMD prescribed that. I have been taking it for about 6 weeks.
I have been treating parasites for nearly 3 months now and still passing them, so not sure which works best. I will probably rotate using different products.
Should a one-month break be taken after 6 months, no matter what treatment is used?
Parasite die-off is really tough....herxes have been worse than lyme for me.
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glm1111
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Hi Jennie,
I have the same dilemma about the one mos break. I decided that if I was still symptomatic and getting dieoff, that I would continue for 6 mos and well beyond.
It just makes sense to me to continue and then definitely do maintenance as Hulda Clark suggests FOREVER. To me it would be like stopping abx before tx was complete.
We also have to consider that we as Lyme patients are dealing with a lot more infections than the average person getting rid of parasites.
Another thing to consider is that not all doctors understand what it takes to get rid of these infections like Dr.K. does.
So, if you don't have access to energetic testing and allopathic antiparasitics, then just do the herbs. They absolutely work, but you have to be persistent. The salt/c protocol is a very powerful adjunt as well.
Gael
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sixgoofykids
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I used Humaworm and waited the 90 days to do another round. I would not suggest doing nothing during these 90 days, but using it as an opportunity to use a different product.
I kept changing things around for MONTHS to get rid of all parasites. Humaworm was very successful for me.
I found Enula by Nutramedix to be very effective against roundworms.
I also used Triphala, which is good for the intestines and has haritaki, which was found to break up biofilms.
I would have tried Parastroy, but didn't know about it.
Dr. Natura cleanse was great, too, not so much for parasites (though it does address them) but for colon cleansing. Amazing product.
At the same time, take probiotics and eat ferments like kefir to repopulate the good stuff.
Oregano oil is another product that was helpful for my gut. It kills some of the bad bacteria according to the report I got when I had my stool test.
As Jennie mentions, I passed parasites for months. It's not a quick fix, and it does cause bad die-off symptoms.
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I have never tried the product Humaworm but I have tried a combination of anti-parasitic herbs/plant extracts in the past such as wormwwood, walnut hulls, cloves and etc. and they didn't seem to have any effect upon me at all.
But recently, I began taking the combination of the anti-parasite medications, Albendazole and Ivermectin and OMG!!! Within a few weeks I started to feel better but these past few days I have begun to herx hard!!! Or at least that's what I am hoping that it is. I have taken various antibiotics and herbs for years and I have never gotten a reaction like this. In my opinion herbs may be better at preventing a parasite problem than they are at curing a parasite problem.
And for what it's worth, Dr. Simon Yu has stated that herbs are often not enough to cure a deeply disseminated parasite infection. And like Dr. K he uses energy testing and lab testing to help determine which anti-parasite medication's will be the most beneficial to you.
You can read Dr. Yu's comments about herbs on the link directly bellow. His comments are on the second page:
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If parasite treatment seems rough, it may be due to the toxic metal release that you are not prepared for. Parasites are loaded with the toxic metals and with the die-off, toxic metals enter the system. Follow advice given in the Dr. K. protocols; whatever method you choose that works. But you have to pay attention to the fallout. Neurotoxins all feel the same. Don't assume it is just one or the other. The only way to tell which causes the most symptoms is by energetic testing. My tensor helps me determine instantly what I am dealing with. See if you can learn some method or find someone you can test you reliably.
Parasites are also in the brain. Clearing out the gut/colon is only a fraction of the job. It sounds terrible, but that is the facts as I have learned them over the years.
Start with the minor parasite meds, moving up to the stronger stuff as you go along. It takes months and sometimes a lot longer than several.
Pay attention how you feel as you enter the full moon cycle -- . That is the time they replicate and that is the time to hit hard. Take dairy and then follow with your meds. They love milk and cheese!
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Jennie, I would not take a break as long as you can keep up with the support meds for the toxic metals, fungal die-off, etc. I would only break if I felt really bad and increase the mop-up with with binders, colonics - a couple in a row, etc.
The die-off is only bad if you do not support with binders addressing the metal and chemical toxins causing them to be reabsorbed and redistributed. Check some of the protocols given in the Dr.K. power point presentations how to best avoid that.
Take care and best wishes.
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My md prescibed Alinia for a week, as well as Helmin, a Pekana product (homeopathic) for three months, then Ivermectin for 10 days - this was the most difficult to tolerate, but effective.
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What kind of herxes do you get with parasite die-off?
Is it more joint pain? Headaches? Abdominal pain?
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glm1111
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mary,
The symptoms of dieoff can incude all that you mentioned and then some. If you have been infected for a long time, they can disseminate into all of the organs and brain and it takes persistence to get rid of them.
Gael
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Jennie, I would not take a break as long as you can keep up with the support meds for the toxic metals, fungal die-off, etc. I would only break if I felt really bad and increase the mop-up with with binders, colonics - a couple in a row, etc.
The die-off is only bad if you do not support with binders addressing the metal and chemical toxins causing them to be reabsorbed and redistributed. Check some of the protocols given in the Dr.K. power point presentations how to best avoid that.
Take care and best wishes.
I would love suggestions from everyone on what binders to take. I tried cholestyramine and failed....major constipation.
I am only doing coffee enemas and epsom salt baths for detox.
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sixgoofykids
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I used bentonite clay and zeolite. Chlorella is good for heavy metals, but I test poorly for it. Charcoal is good for some, but didn't work for me.
Fiber is important. Magnesium and vitamin C keep the bowels moving.
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glm1111
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The salt/c protocol worked really well for me and kept my bowels moving as well as flushing out all of the toxins and parasites.
Gael
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I know this has been discussed before but, honestly, I simply don't understand how to fit in binders while on abx, probiotics, and vitamins.
I take abx twice a day, probiotics twice a day, and vitamins once a day. I usually take my last dose of probiotics at bedtime.
I also need to add kyolic garlic and oil of oregano, but just so many hours in a day.
I having having a very difficult time right now with brain fog....is this because of parasite die off and the need to detox?
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quote:Originally posted by marypart: What kind of herxes do you get with parasite die-off?
Is it more joint pain? Headaches? Abdominal pain?
When I first started Humwaworm the entire month I would feel flu like - similar to my Lyme dieoff. Then one time I had a 24 hour major flu like (throwing up and diareah) episode - and I've know several others that have experienced this as well.
With Enula, Cumanda and other "drops" I got acne. Rifing used to cause acne.
Now that I've rifed for a year and did a 30 day cleanse with ParaPhyte I feel I am parasite free and I don't experience die off.
I continue to treat, however.
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Cass A
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Dear Friends,
Thank you soooo very much for answering my questions promptly and thoroughly!!!
Did I tell you how much I love and value Lymenet??
It's on my list of contributions that must be made before the end of 2010!! I hope it's on yours, too!
Love,
Cass A
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If a non-lymie takes Humaworm and doesn't feel sick does that mean that they don't have parasites?
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quote:Originally posted by Lauralyme: If a non-lymie takes Humaworm and doesn't feel sick does that mean that they don't have parasites?
Are you talking one dose? Or a full month?
I think if someone were to take it for a month and see nothing coming out... that would mean that they don't have any of the parasites that Humaworm addresses.
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I am on Alinia too. Been on it for one month so far. I also use Parastroy.
Anyone know if the Cowden protocol hits parasites?
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quote:Originally posted by Lauralyme: If a non-lymie takes Humaworm and doesn't feel sick does that mean that they don't have parasites?
If they felt nothing at all, I'd say that's a possibility. Or else they are just in such a healthy state that the die off was no problem to deal with.
Now when I take Humaworm, I'm a little less energetic for day 2 and 3. Then I'm fine the rest of the time. My husband feels nothing when he takes it.
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I did parasite treatment for a very short time. I had to take a break only after a week or two - it was THAT tough. It gave me extreme herxing!!! I think it might have been almost as hard or harder than the lyme treatment herxing!
I didn't do humaworm though. I did parasite cleanse by Hulda Clark. Just about the same thing and VERY tough.
I had no idea there was prescription parasite treatment... I guess that would be a DUH... lol but I never thought of it... maybe I could ask my LLMD about that.
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disturbedme,
Parasite tx can get very rough because parasites put up a ferocious fight when they are attacked. I am all for listening to your body and taking a break when it gets THAT TOUGH as you stated.
If you are herxing that hard from the herbs you might want to stick with them over a course of time them because apparently you are hitting them.
Prescription drugs can be hard on your liver. It is also important to stay on the parasite tx until you are symptom free and then do maintenance like Hulda Clark suggests.
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