17hens
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OK, I'm taking the plunge! Hope to be going to Germany end of April!
Now I'm rushing to get my ducks in a row and am looking for "users" advice!
I plan to get Bionic treatment and then come back and keep treating AND treat my family.
I'm wondering if I should buy the Bionic while there or buy the PE1 when I get back.
I'm a visual learner so the PE1 w/ no instruction intimidates me.
OK, questions...
1. Is it reasonable to think I could teach myself to use the PE1 after being treated with the Bionic in Germany?
2. Do you think being treated with the Bionic in Germany and then treating on my own with the PE1 is a good plan or not? Why? (pros & cons would be great here)
3. If you treat on your own, what detox methods do you recommend?
4. By end of April, I will have treated parasites for 4 months. I will have had my amalgams removed. Anything else you'd recommend I do before going to Germany?
5. Either with the Bionic or the PE1, what infections were you able to get rid of? Lyme? Bartonella? Babesia? Other?
6. Wanna go with me and hold my hand? I'm nervous...I'll buy you a schnitzel mit spaetzle.
Thank you!!
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Hens -- heres a thought, buy the PE1 and bring it to germany with you. Then have the doctor evaluate it for you. Make sure you have the specification of both the bionic and the PE1 with you.
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I have a Bionic 880 and don't know much about the PE1 but I know that people that have bought one instead of the Bionic like it just as much.
For detox at home I do a Sodium bicarbonate IV like the one Dr.W gives you at his office after every session. I order the bicarbonate from Germany and then go to my doctor's office to do it. Otherwise you can use the Pekana detox kit or any detox method works for you.
I don't know what infections I'm hitting when I'm treating cause I use a vial of my own blood as a nosode so in theory it should hit everything but who knows. After every cycle I feel some improvement but I have still quite a long way to go because of collateral problems that were caused by the lyme (flat adrenals and hormones).
I wish you the best of luck and I know the nervousness that taking this trip involves but once you're there you'll be in good hands. Everybody is very nice at the clinic and if you stay at the Klein's guest house in Dobel the owner has a lot of experience with lyme patients too. She is the best!
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Have you read the blogs of some of the people who went to Germany?
I followed their experiences, even though I knew I wouldn't be able to go.
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@ Bob, That's an idea. I wouldn't annoy the good doc by bringing the PE1?
@ eric, My LLMD does do IV Glutathione so that's an idea. I'd really like to use a home detox though as detox for the family will be detox X 4. So, how long have you been treating on your own and how improved are you (%)? Do you know what infections you had/have? We've been getting good results with adrenals and hormones using Standard Process. Just FYI.
@ Carol, OK, stuck already. What does that say for me? Yes to reading Six's and BHG's blogs. I'm stuck on mojoey's - where in the heck is the bionic part?
And do I want to read them anyway - good news or bad? I didn't buy my airline ticket yet so I guess I'll go ahead and read.
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just read surfbabe blog -
"went to Meripharm (www.meripharm.de) in nearby town baden-baden to buy some more nosodes for co-infections. (for those coming to germany for bionic - i highly recommend this pharmacy to get the co-infections nososdes as they have a large stock & do not require prescription - check out their website for full list of nosodes - they sell most apart from bartonella & babesia - i got these from www.desbio.com in usa prior to coming to Germany)"
Did you guys get nosodes at Meripharm? Or where?
How do I figure out what my daughter, son, hubby have if they are not being tested in Germany (viruses, types of candida, etc)? So how do I know what nosodes to get for them besides the obvious bartonella, babesia (obvious from clinical diagnosis)? Should I have this figured out before I leave?
I just don't speak this photon/nosode language yet and it's frustrating. You guys have been so patient with me and I appreciate it.
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1. Is it reasonable to think I could teach myself to use the PE1 after being treated with the Bionic in Germany?
I would think so, but I've never seen a PE1 so can't say for sure.
2. Do you think being treated with the Bionic in Germany and then treating on my own with the PE1 is a good plan or not? Why? (pros & cons would be great here)
Yes. It saves money. It seems that those who have used the PE1 have had good results. The obvious downside is the Bionic will be familiar to you the PE1 won't.
3. If you treat on your own, what detox methods do you recommend?
Coffee enema, Dr. Natura, Hulda Clark liver cleanse, burbur, Pekana are all things I used.
4. By end of April, I will have treated parasites for 4 months. I will have had my amalgams removed. Anything else you'd recommend I do before going to Germany?
I can't think of anything.
5. Either with the Bionic or the PE1, what infections were you able to get rid of? Lyme? Bartonella? Babesia? Other?
All the above.
6. Wanna go with me and hold my hand? I'm nervous...I'll buy you a schnitzel mit spaetzle.
I'd love to! Are you buying the plane ticket and room??
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BTW, I used Desbio nosodes when I got back, but none of them worked as well as my own blood. I bought the Lyme nosodes for my family. My daughter and I used blood after that. Once you clear the Lyme, Dr. W says blood is fine.
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So, Six, are you saying I should save my money and just make our own?
So I would bring back the lyme nosode I use there (or buy one there) and treat family for lyme and then make blood nosode to treat every thing else? Just double checking.
I just looked at Desbio. Looked all around. Foreign language for sure. Book of translations? Directions for use? Prices?Otherwise, it looks good and interesting!
Boy, I've got a loooong way to go...
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quote:Originally posted by 17hens: I'm stuck on mojoey's - where in the heck is the bionic part?
It would be in the latter half of 2008. His email is there, you could ask him.
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Blood was enough for me. Blood has all the information. If I had it to do over, I wouldn't have bought the Desbio. I bought the Desbio Lyme (which includes babesia) and bartonella, but blood, just straight blood, was more effective.
I have used homeopathics with the Bionic. It makes them stronger/more effective.
You will know how to use them once you're in Germany. It's easy.
BTW, I never bought a biotensor.
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17hens
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Six, do you wish you had?
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No. I never felt the need for it. I went with my intuition.
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Selma is on that forum. She is banned from posting on Lymenet because of her location in South Korea.
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Hens -- don't assume the doctor doesn't want to see the PE1. If you say many have success with a PE1 in the states. It may trigger his curiosity. I'm sure this doctor is far more open minded then many of the ducks in this country. And a little competition with the bionic may some day bring its price down.
Six's comment about the blood is what I believe as well.
And I agree with six again about intuition, but I still need my crutch.
The biotensor can help grow intuition. It helps you to trust that little voice inside of us. Intuition helps me ask the questions I want an answer to. The biotensor helps me separate from my conscious mind and to listen more to the subconscious (which I'm guessing -- might be a little brighter then the conscious mind about what's good for the body).
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Well, Bob, maybe that's because men have a harder time listening .... just sayin'
I did learn to muscle test fairly recently, but that was to prevent myself from taking whole bottles of iron when I recently became anemic (not Lyme-related).
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Yes, good point about the PE1, Bob. I'll look into it.
How much is a biotensor? Not that I don't listen...just don't always remember what i heard...
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Another question - does anyone know if it is permitted to take the Bionic (or the PE1) in your carry-on?
I've read various blogs about having to put it in check-in luggage.
I usually travel with only carry-on. (I travel lite.) But I'll have to replan if I'm not allowed to take it on with me.
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Thanks for the update, guys & gals. I was wondering what happened to Brussels!
I tried to do this on my own with the LightWorks. I think it was working but some people feel the infrared wasn't strong enough.
I had a kind of negative experience with it but in retrospect - I think it was because I had a parasite problem. It made the parasites worse. I got really different results than other experimenting with the technique. I wondered why at the time.
I may want to try it again after I really go through the parasite cleanse I'm doing now.
Six - can you post how you make your blood nosodes again? I think you may have posted it but I forgot.
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Bob, did you get your PE1 thru Photonic Energetics, True Sun, or other?
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@ carol - thank you. I will look further on mojoey's blog. we'll have to get together sometime for tea and light photons.
@pamoisondelune - I have "talked" with Selma more times than she wanted, I'm sure. (I miss her here too.) She is so kind and willing to help. Again, the problem I have is that I don't speak "the language" yet. I will check out the forum though and see if I can decipher anything. thank you.
@all and no one in particular... If you read the testimonials about the PE1 - http://www.photonicenergetics.com/page6.html - would you think a person should remove silver fillings and treat for parasites before using it? Just wondering if I could help my mom with her arthritic thumbs or if she'd have to do all the extra stuff first.
OK, I'm way off my original questions now, aren't I...
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A friend is going with me to hold my hand.
Her DH is a retired airline pilot and is checking if he can get us low fare passes but we could only use them to fly into Zurich. Then a train to Stuttgart to rent a car.
Do any of you see any reason why this would be a problem? If I buy the Bionic, taking it thru customs in a different country might be a problem maybe? Who do I ask about this? Airlines always give different answers depending on who you talk to at the moment.
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I don't know how it is with each individual case but for me I think the parasites were a big problem. I didn't realize it at the time, though.
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What were your results, sparkle, from the parasite and light treatment mix?
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Six -- did you say something I couldn't quite hear you. Oh well I'll just ignore it and move on.
Sparkle -- watch out for six I think she uses a blender for her nosodes.
Hens -- Photonic Energetics is where I got it from -- you can talk with the person who actually creates the unit if you purchase it there. Also tell him how your considering have the doctor review the unit. He might have some ideas that might be helpful.
Sparkle -- your right about parasites, they thrive in the LED light just like we do. And they thrive in a alkaline body. Parasites are the wild card. Babesia is a parasite so it probably does well in the light. Once parasites are gone then there maybe greater value in using the LEDs. And with lightworks you just have to use it longer then the PE1.
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My intuition tells me not to use the LED at night. It is probably better to use it in the morning. The LED energizes the body and may affect sleep.
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Bob, did you use your biotensor to come up with that?
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I posted about it at length a while back... maybe 3 years ago or so.
The cliff notes version is that I used the LughtWorks without nosodes. It felt good - physically but I had bad intestinal problems after using it. I never had problems with my intestines prior.
It may have been some kind of extra toxin situation or die-off. I don't know but I got very ill. There were others doing similar experimenting using the PE-1 (which is alot stronger that the LightWorks) & they had very good results. So, I didn't know why I was having anomalous results.
In retrospect - I think it may have been because I had a kind of parasite that the others didn't have. If I had the money - I would get a Metametrix parasite test. Tests aren't always accurate, though.
I think it's an Intestinal panel or stool test. I forget the exact name but it tests for parasite DNA. I would order it myself but you have to go through a practitioner & it all gets expensive.
I live in a state where alternative medicine is illegal - so, I'd have to travel elsewhere. It's cheaper & quicker to just take the herbs & see what happens. I don't even know how effecive the drugs are.
From what I have read - there are mixed results & side effects so I'd rather stick with the herbs.
Interesting point, Bob.
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I have one from him that I just use for medical questions. Highly recommended!
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Haha! To several posts!!
I would agree about using it during the daytime not at night.
I had to drink lots of tonic water to keep babs symptoms to a minimum, but eventually babs cleared, too.
I didn't make a blood nosode, just used blood in a glass vial.
17Hens, I had mine in my checked bag. I was told it was easier and did it that way. I don't know whether it would be a problem to take to Switzerland. I don't think it would. You drive from country to country there like we drive from state to state.
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Thanks six!
Do you use a new blood sample each time you do it with the Bionic?
Seems like your blood would be different each time. Do you use just a few drops? I tried to stick myself with a pin to get some blood & it was really hard. I'm a big whimp about that kind of stuff.
When I was using the LightWorks - I was drinking lots of iced green tea - no sugar. I was really craving it for some reason.
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I guess sparkle you'd make a great green tea sipping cowardly lion.
Hens I couldn't find the biotensor so I used an 8 ball instead. I know six is going to say that's the typical logic I'd use. Sorry six didn't mean to put words in your mouth, but I had this strong intuition.
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Nice trusting the intuition, Bob, that's a start!
Sparkle, let's just say, it's easier for a woman to get fresh blood each month than a man. Hint, hint. Sometimes I'd get fresh blood, other times I used the previous blood.
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Wow! That's a great idea... but that blood is not the same as blood from a cut from my understanding. I'll have to look into it.
Never would have thought of that in a million years!
I do love cats, Bob.
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quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: I had to drink lots of tonic water to keep babs symptoms to a minimum, but eventually babs cleared, too.
Six, do you think the quinine in the tonic water got rid of the babesia or the Bionic itself?
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Sparkle, when all ten of my fingers were poked and I had no more than a drop of blood, I thought of how else I could get it, LOL. I don't see how it could be different blood .... I can see how more might be in it (which could be better, right?), but I can't see how the blood itself wouldn't still be just blood. Maybe I'm wrong, just my logic thinking here.
17 Hens, maybe both? Since almost two years of intensive babs treatment didn't get rid of babs, I can't imagine the little bit of quinine actually being what finally worked. I think it was my body strengthening with the Bionic, the other infections going down, my immune system getting stronger, that maybe helped the quinine to be more effective? Or maybe the quinine just helped symptomatically until my body worked? No way to know.
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Six, I read the "green laser" thread.
Did you get the green laser before you had the Bionic?
Do they do two totally different things?
I'm interested because my husband does not sleep.
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I got the green laser. The laser was way overpriced, you can get that anywhere for about 15 dollars where you get charged quite a bit -- i think I paid 125 (pretty interesting markup). The vials which go with the laser is what you want to get. Especially if you use a muscle testing, pendulum, or biotensor. Then you can test many different substances. I'm sure that is overpriced as well.
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PS - I think that the LightWorks may be useful for doing a neo-Bionic 880 type treatment. If you are on a budget & need to save money - it can work.
I heard a story of a woman who was going to have to have her foot amputated due to diabetes sores. She was able to save it with a cheap red laser from Staples & some colloidal silver.
So - it is possible to get benefits from less expensive technology. Most people felt that the PE-1 was stronger & better but in a pinch - I think the LightWorks may be pretty good.
I don't want to try it again until I get my parasite issue under control.
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I did my first PE-1 treatment today! I just got tired of waiting till i get all the background supplies set up.
I don't really know how;, i have the posts copied in my files but haven't reread them. I haven't ordered the singleton nosodes from various complicated sources.
I just did it to get started, probably all wrong. Surprisingly, i've been feeling good all day. It seems to have worked. It feels better than if i had done a rife session this a.m.
If i had spent an hour on the rife machine this a.m., i would have prbably had an eye pain or an ear pain today, and some head symps, woozy. Then i'd have to rife for Bart again this evening, since it grows fast.
But i've been feeling mostly symptomless all day, some wooziness off and on.
Musiclady on the yahoo group forum was doing rife and PE-1 on alternate days.
For nosodes, ihad the Lyme Nosode combination from Dr Z, which includes BArt and BAbs and herbs and some other pathogens. They say one shouldn't use such multiple nosodes because the message gets confused, only use one pathogen to be clear. But something seemed to work anyway, so far, it seems.
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Sparkle--- An idea to get blood---
You might try taking nattokinase--- it might make the blood flow more easily.
Of course you should be careful. You wouldn't want to cause internal bleeding.
Have you had the coagulation panel analysis to see if you have any blood clotting problems? It's good background info to start with.
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I can't believe it! Sparkle your the first women I can remember happy about menstruation.
Polly -- I think doing rife and PE1 at the same time is great. Just remember to do a lot of detoxing.
Sparkle -- your right about some is better then none.
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re- I can't believe it! Sparkle your the first women I can remember happy about menstruation.
Not ever! I get so ill... But at least there is a consolation prize - stem cells - LOL!
Who would have thought? Don't know what the male equivelent is...
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re- coagulation - a while back I took lumborkinase. It seemed to help & I haven't taken any for some time. Interesting thought!
You may want to go slow & work up the treatments, pamoisondelune. One can get pretty ill from overdoing it... The treatments may be accumulative.
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Here's Selma's comment from the other forum, since she can't post here:
Wait longer than one day, I would. If you are symptomless, it won't hurt, would it?
Herxes come VERY slowly and in a very different way than with herbs /rife! I usually feel I get very toxic a few DAYS after the photooning (about 3 or so?). You got to check my looong thread in LN to be sure....
In the beginning I didn't KNOW they were herxes, but after experience, I understood they are very different from what I experienced before and come SOFTLY BUT STEADILY.
What scared me with photons was that there was no WAY to stop herxes, as with other protocols (as herxes rise then go down rather quickly with other treatments). The CURVE of herx is different with photons, less climbing but steadily up, non stop. This is because your body got the information to do something with the pathogens, and it will do as long as it remembers the information.
With remedies or rife, they do the job, not you, then you need next input to get them working again, so you can rest. With homeopathy and photons, there's no rest for many days, if not weeks.
Did you get the photooning points? You can go to Sheryl's website, we checked the points together a couple of months ago. I think she's got a good chart (I told her the points I would add). Don't overdo, start slow!
You rubbed, so you got some of the effect as homeopathy work by rubbing too. I wonder if the effect would be as strong as when only in the glass vials?
Do your energetic tests and see what they say. You can TAPE the vials to the solar plexus for short and ask your body if you still need photons to read the information of the vials BEFORE you photoon them again. Ask the positive and negative question to be sure (do I need, I don't need).
Good luck and still crossing fingers! I have to turn off my computer as my daughter has someone for sleep over and she'll use this computer room! I'll come tomorrow to the forum to check you!
Youuuhouuu!!!!!!
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Here's another comment from Selma, explaining what i did wrong. I had set the PE-1 on F frequency and 5 intensity. I asked what was correct. Selma said not on a frequency, just plain direct or steady light.
I had rubbed the homeopathic nosode drops on my inner elbows. Selma said i'll get more result from putting the drops into a glass vial which is taped onto my solar plexus. --------------------------------------------------
from Selma:
You need the WATER vials, not rubbing. I wonder if they work, I guess a bit yes. But if you'd like the real effect, you got to use the vials taped to the solar plexus!
I use no frequency, direct mode.
Intensity muscle tested, usually by the 5, never used 10.
Photooning points: you gotta look, I am short of time today!
About 5 fingers or 10 fingers away from body, that's what I did.
Close half of the light screen (use only half of the infra red). Close with thick aluminium paper.
Prepare your cleansers. Use binders like chlorella, as you can have heavy metals floating!!
Herxes are VERY different from rifing or herbs or antibiotics. There's no PEAK and they just grow SLOWLY but STEADILY. You count on days than on hours. Better wait at least 1 week for next killer treatment! Crossing fingers for you! Yeah!!!!!
sixgoofykids
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With the Bionic we DO use frequencies. We use 11.77, which is similar to the earth's frequency (think "earthing").
Also, we place the photons right up next to the skin.
Vials taped to solar plexus.
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sparkle7
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I used to dowse the frequencies that the LightWorks was capable of. I taped the remedy to my solar plexus.
The LightWorks had the Nogier frequencies. It was way less powerful than the PE-1 or Bionic. Maybe that was a good thing?
I discontinued it because of the parasites... i needed to get that under control first. I'm still working on it.
Sometimes, I wonder if you could tape the remedy on your solar plexus & go out into the sunlight...(?)
It's good to be able to dowse or have some kind of method to check. Some people are better at muscle testing, ART - dowsing is easier for me.
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17hens
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There it is!! That foreign language right there on the page!!!
I can understand a word or two but can't get the meaning of the sentence.
If you keep talking and I keep listening then soon I'll understand the sentence but not the meaning of the conversation.
One step at a time...
Can't wait until I can speak it too!
-------------------- "My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever." Psalms 73:26
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