lymie_in_md
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Imagine the body's aura is what your using to impact with light. Or light on light and the aura light on the outside of the body is recirculated back into the body. So by charging the light on the outside of the body may have a larger impact then trying to influence it directly to the body.
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17 Hens, don't worry about the language. You can keep it simple. Just do it like Dr. W says.
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@ Six -
@ those who went to Germany - did you take any kind of detox with you or does Dr. W give you everything you need?
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I didn't really take any detox other than his detox IV's. The only things I took were my necessary things like thyroid, iron, and my sleep meds.
He would prefer I hadn't taken the sleep meds, but I was too addicted to stop cold turkey. I tried, but didn't sleep for 48 hours straight. I discussed it with my roommate and we both thought it was more important for me to get sleep than to be off the sleep meds that fast. Dr. W did not know about the sleep meds.
When I got back, I weaned off them over a period of six months.
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I want to do a PE-1 session today, but i had a cup of green tea this morning--- so does that mean i cna't do homeopathics today?
I've been looking at the website, www.lumenergetics.com. It has a complete protocol, all i have to do is follow it. Sheryl cured herself, you know.
17 hens, that website has a great body map of photon points.
I did far too little, according to this protocol. I should do many more photon points and longer, and oftener. She has it all planned out.
I'm not so sensitive, my body detoxes itself really well, and i've been treating for 6 years already. I should go ahead and do longer sessions.
Musiclady has been absent from the other forum for a week or two, so i can't ask her. It sounds contra-indicated to alternate photon/rife every other day, if the photon effect goes for days. Wouldn't the rife frequencies stop the photon effect? since Dr W doesn't allow concurrent rifing or computers?
Troy was alternating rife/photons every other WEEK, which makes sense. But if Musiclady thinks her schedule works for her?
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I wouldn't do photons and rife together, on any schedule. I would try one modality, and if I wasn't getting any results, then I would try the other. Dr. W has you take a MONTH off treatment after three weeks treating. The off time is as important as the treating time.
I don't know the right answer, or whether there is a right answer, but I personally, based on my experience, wouldn't do the two together. I did NOTHING on my months off.
I have never heard of an interaction between green tea and photon treatment. Dr. W. just wanted us to avoid any other treatment modality while photoning.
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pamoisondelune - everyone is different. What may help one person may or maynot help you.
That's why it's good if you can dowse or do some kind of energetic testing. We are all unique.
Also- I can understand "doing nothing". It's hard to not want to aggressively fight pathogens but sometimes we have to let the body heal itself or learn how to address the health issues in it's own time & in it's own way.
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Here's Selma's comment about combining rife with photons: -------------------------- [bionic880-PE1] From: Selma ...
If you get the right product for you and you test if you may photoon it and you got a yes, you have great chance to have got the right thing for you. I'm glad you feel good!!
Don't push too much. slow and gentle will take you far!
Rifing, no idea. I think the only thing that can disturb is ANOTHER different PHOTOONED homeopathic treatment. The message your body get is a STRONG message from the photooned homeopathic and your body is busy doing that 'command' non stop.
If you rife, it's just temporarily, just for the moments you rife, so I don't know, I suppose it's fine?? But if you get too much killing, it could be not good. Why don't you test the rife frequency energetically and see? Do I need this now? Do I have to wait? Can I stand the herxes? Do I need more killing now? Or do I need more cleaners?
> > Is it ok to eat coffee, chocolate, and mint today, since i did the homeopathy > yesterday? Other herbs are strong too, i took coptis extract yesterday, how
I think it's TOTALLY fine! I really don't think that anything can affect the message of the photons + homeopathy except for another photon + homeopathic treatment on top.
Can you STAND coptis? I could never stand that. Tooooo strong for my tummy and body.
How come you take so many killers? My killer intake was just about 20% of what I used in a day, I was MUCH more busy trying to find the right cleansers!!! About 80% of my feeling crap was due to TOXINS not to infection, at least that is what Klinghardt followers think (and I agree).
I always took killers, but not more than a couple each time, never overdid because higher intake of killers made me feel worse, not better. And the body has a CLEAR limit to deal with this killing business just because it get LOADED with toxins very fast.
People always attribute feeling lousy to infection. I learned that feeling lousy comes MOSTLY from toxins, not from infection (or infection BYPRODUCTS), but the critters are just a tiny part.
Good luck today, go SLOW with killing but DON'T GO SLOW with cleansers. The MAIN problem with cleansers is that you need MANY each time and in the RIGHT proportions, divided during the whole day. And they KEEP changing as the toxins change in a DAILY base.
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I wouldn't use another killing modality (rife, herbs, or abx) with the photons. They are so strong I'd just focus on detox. Based on my experience .....
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I feel comfortable doing combo therapys, but I'm well. Six makes a strong point of detox and is absolutely correct. I'm saying if your killing, combining rife with photons we'll say is done the same day. Kill lyme on rife, clear out organisms cellularly then detox. Then cycle again after 3 days or more depending on how you feel. If you were doing 5 minutes on chakra points using and LED then knock it down a minute and rife for a short period of time.
I did a doug coil for 40 minutes and used and LED for about 10 minutes on each chakra location. I didn't have a healing reaction, always a good test in my mind on how I'm doing. A person I know had a big healing reaction using the same rife machine using it for 40 seconds. We're all in a different state of wellness.
I believe in the tools to do certain things. For instance LED to help detox, electronic acupuncture and wakening the immune system at the same time you target specific organisms using rife. I think the two can play together. What really is hard to answer is what is the best way to go about it. We're all so different.
In a perfect world we would have support groups that had all the equipment there and we treat there. If there were 20 folks in a support group it could be leveraged financially. Which is why nobody has this equipment to determine benefit.
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I did my 2nd PE-1 treatment today. It worked! I feel great! I haven't touched the rife machine since starting PE-1; no need! (so far).
I rubbed the Lyme Nosodes (which includes Babs and Bart Nosodes) that i got from Dr Z on my inner elbows and forearms and on solar plexus, and also taped a small glasss bottle of the nosodes on the solar plexus.
Then i shone the PE-1 for about 15 sec each on many points, like toes, fingers, feet, ankles, knees, thymus, thyroid, glands under ears, jaw, forehead, top of head, back of head, 3 spots on spine, and briefly ran over organs.
I had it set on F frequency, 5 intensity. Which is wrong, i think. That's what i love about this treatment--- i do it wrong, but it works anyway!!!
I feel perfect so far. I've been treating for so many years that i'm not expecting terrible herxes, and haven't had one so far. I'll be alert, but detoxing has never been my problem.
This is really incredible. 10 minutes of what doesn't at all look like a medical treatment, and here i am symptom-free today! i can't believe this is happening.
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I'm glad it's helping!
With the Bionic, Dr. W had us to ten points for 320 seconds each.
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Good for you pamoisondelune! We all deserve to beat this horrible illness - whatever it may be.
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Really happy for you P. Lets hope days turn years.
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It's been a week since my first sketchy PE-1 treatment and 3 days since my more thorough 15 sec on many points treatment, and i just haven't had any Herx. That's what i expected.
I feel good, only a few little symptoms creep back as time passes away from a treament; an eye or ear pain, head a bit woozyish, a knee a bit soreish.
That's what i expect, after 6 1/2 years of treatment.
I think i can photon more and longer.
This is totally amazing! It looks like complete voodoo, but it WORKS!!
At night, after 2nd treatment at noon, i could feel waves of energy rolling through my cells; an energy insomnia.
This morning i woke up full of energy, ready to go jogging--- haven't felt like that in years.
Amazing, amazing, amazing!
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I just saw you put some of my posts on LN. Thatk you!!
I usually don't measure my words too well when I post here because most people here are OK with photons and homeopathy, but I do take a bit more care in LN because of hot discussions for non-believers. But so far, there hadn't been too many bad discussions there, only positive ones, so that's great.
This [photons, PE-1] IS an amazing mode of treatment!!!, and when I first did it to my daughter who had a very swollen knee and doctors kept telling me that she may LOSE her knee if she stopped Rocephin on day 2 (I pulled her off on day 2), I was so unsure of what I was doing......
Her knee got though symptomless after less than a week after these doctors told me that, a whole team of doctors in Switzerland!!
It was an unbelievable experience I'll never forget. ALL MY HERBS stopped testing for her, ALL KILLERS, absolutely everything, from the moment I did the 1st photon therapy with borrelia nosodes.
My hands were itchy every single day, it was hard NOT to give my daughter garlic or cats claw, andrographis, whatever. NOTHING tested, she needed NO SINGLE killer, only cleansers and her knee got well to the point that she threw herself on the wooden floor saying "Look mom, I'm good!!!" just 5 days after we did the first photon session!
I gave her nothing to kill borrelia, staph, and other coinfections that were testing. Nothing ingested!! And she got better so fast!
Since that day, I KNEW this treatment was strong and efficient. At least for very strong acute infections. What I didn't know, is that if you TUNE the treatment very well with RIGHT homeopathic dilutions (and the borrelia antigen nosodes that I had forgotten too) in later phases, the disease will NOT come back too easily.
Of course there will be more things to treat, parasites, other viruses, funghi, candida, whatever, other bacteria, heavy metals, toxins, cavitations, probably some neuro symptoms left, psychologic trauma from before and after the disease, etc, but the INFECTIOUS part linked to Borrelia will become past history (if not, anyway, not a difficult part of the puzzle to keep under control).
Still crossing fingers for you, please, still post there and here so that we know how you are doing! I hope you 'll be one more in my mental list, of people who now see borrelia as a controlable infection and then MOVE forwards on another level of treatment, trying to reach a full health state!!
Have a nice weekend! Selma
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Photon treatment isn't the same as other treatments. It doesn't really cause a herx in the traditional sense.
The first time I used it, I felt bad, mainly tired. The first time I used blood, I needed lots of rest. Makes sense because my body was working so hard.
But it never caused an increase in symptoms in the same way as other treatments. I just got better and better in much the same way as you're describing. That's why I never added to it.
We did 5 minutes on a point. But, after twice a week treatments for three weeks, a whole MONTH off before treating again. The month of is necessary, and it's necessary to REST the body during that month, don't use it as a time to add other treatments unless they're to detox. It's a perfect time for detox.
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can you use a lightworks instead of the pe-1. for those who cannot afford a pe-1
Where do you get the nosodes from to use during the treatment.
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The Lightworks would just be less powerful. Nosodes are available from Deseret Biologicals.
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The Sota Lightworks can be used, but it has only one tenth the power so must be used longer.
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Excuse me, i answered too glibly. I don't know if people have success using a Sota Lightworks for lyme.
I just recall that on a forum, someone who knows more than i do, said that they had heard reports of people using Sota Lightworks---- but i don't recall if they knew about any success.
So that is indefinite 3d hand hearsay.
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You can have success with a lightworks for treatment. You just have to use it longer IMO. You can also use your own blood as described on this topic earlier. So give it a whirl and let us know how you do.
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sparkle,
you mentioned a man who makes biotensor/bobbers? His email does not seem to work. Is he still making bobbers, do you think? Do you know how I can contact him?
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I'll PM you his e-mail.
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I think the LightWorks can work. I didn't mess around with it too much because I had some different issues than most people here had.
If you suspect parasites - you need to treat them first before using the infrared light. Just my experience.
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Sparkle, I got it.
It works, thank you!
Your mailbox is full.
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OK - thanks, I'll get to the mailbox later today.
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Here's Selma's contribution about the Sota Lightworks:
[bionic880-PE1] Lightworks may work as well... From: Selma ... To: [email protected]
I bought my PE1 after I read the experiences of a few people using Sota Lightworks. I was the first to buy the PE1, but there were people (Sheryl, I think, and others, I can't remember) using LW with some good results.
I simply read a lot about options of which machines to buy, and came with a couple (Sparkle from LN helped me a lot too on choosing them!). In the end I chose the PE1, it looked the best. And it worked.
Bob and Sheryl have both PE1 and LW sota, and they both say LW is about 10% of the power of the PE1. It just takes longer to treat, that's all.
It is much cheaper than the PE1 so, it could be an alternative for those with lower budgets.
Someone mentions parasites in LN. Many have parasites (I had, but treated them early following dr. K's protocol of bigger critters must be treated first). Parasites, for what I understand, larger ones specially, react very well with microcurrent or Rife, they get 'easily' killed. Herbal protocols for parasites are very complex sometimes, many substances at the same time are needed. Dr. K. believes some chemical drugs are very good for parasites too. Salt is another option for those who can stand it.
I gotta go
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Hey, Bob, thank you!
Too late though. I just ordered mine for $32 includes shipping. It'll be here at the end of the week.
I'd like to make some like that though with wire and washer for $80 a pop. How about it, Bob. A new hobby that pays the bills?
What does your intuition say about that idea?
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Thanks pamoison. It depends of the variety of parasite you are dealing with. I have dowsed for whether Rife would be good & it almost always comes up "no".
Think I'm going to stick with the herbs for now. Bob mentioned diatometeous earth & boron. I might add that in, as well.
From my experience, it's not the herbs that are bad - it's the die-off. It has been really something. I have to go slow. I'm actually dowsing "no" for binders - which is unusual.
I think my body has to learn how to deal with these things without alot of extras. Just my individual case, though.
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Sparkle, I got my dowser tonight! I have no idea what to do with it but I'm still excited! I'm taking it with me to Germany and I can't wait for Dr. W. to teach me!
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Hey Bob,
I get it... you weren't giving me the link suggesting I get that biotensor...you gave it to me so I could learn more about what biotensors do and how they work.
I just read it. Really interesting!
Thank you!
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It's for pendulums but you can also use it for bobbers.
You kind of have to get connected with the universe & let the good flow through you. Just stand there with the bobber & don't try to think too much. Let the energy flow through your arm into the bobber. Ask it to indicate "yes" & "no".
Hope that helps.
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With all respect, it sounds so voodooish.
I'm the 6th grade girl who left the sleepover because all the others girls were playing Ouija board.
I'm going to have to get connected with something other than the universe for this to work for me, I'm afraid.
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From a religious point view, clear your mind, and have faith that God will provide the right answer. The bobber or pendulum or biotensor is nothing but a thing. These devices are nothing but an antenna to get answers from the origin of all of us.
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Yes, that's how I'll approach it. Thank you Sparkle and Bob, for helping and for understanding.
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I'm not a religious person - so, I don't think of it as God per se... More like spirit or energy.
I think it's important to think of it as being the other side from logic or rational thought. Nothing wrong with logic but it's more about developing intuition. It's more of a "right brain" activity.
To me, making that connection is like having a dream that I am flying. It's about letting go. I know this must sound strange but it's just my experience of what happens when I dowse.
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