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Here's the problem: Some doctors want to buy these and open up a Medsonix office, or put it on their existing premises. They are expensive ($150K or more), and doctors typically get loans for equipment like this. But the loan market has dried up, and so I'm told that doctors (yes, even doctors!) are finding getting loans is very very hard.
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Unsure,
The Florida location is open for business. It has been for over a year.
I understand the skeptisism, believe me, I am not easily impressed or willing to spend my money on worthless treatments.
I researched what information was available and talked to other lyme patients who have used medsonix. Not one patient that I spoke with did not have some improvement in symptoms.
I did 10 sessions at the end of December in Florida and I just began my second round of 10 sessions (in a row) today. As I have said, my improvement was not 'curing' nor did it put me in remisssion.
What it did do is give me some quality of life. Actually, as the first round has worn off, I see just HOW MUCH it had improved my life.
No regrets here. and after this round, I'll be back again in the Fall...until they find something better for me...this has been the best, including 4 rounds of IV therapy.
And, I have no interest in this company, have not received any discounts, etc. to each his own.
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I truly believe this helps some people. You just never know until you try. I am all about giving most things a good try.
I am just glad there are people out there at least trying to help Lyme sufferers.
Anything that can reduce inflammation without popping a pill is a good thing.
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FYI - (I don't have any connection with Medsonix.)
Effects of a low-frequency sound wave therapy programme on functional capacity, blood circulation and bone metabolism in frail old men and women
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Objective: To evaluate the effects of a low-frequency sound wave therapy programme on functional capacity, blood circulation and bone metabolism of the frail elderly.
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Conclusions: Low-frequency sound wave therapy may have the potential to promote well-being of frail elderly subjects via improved functional capacity, especially in subjects who are too frail to undertake exercise.
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Low frequency sound therapy operates on the premise that low frequency sound actually has healing properties. Also known as infrasonic therapy (IST), low frequency sound is thought to travel through the body, directly stimulating your cells.
Though you cannot actually hear these sounds, your body does receive the sound wavelengths and responds to them by healing areas that are affected by swelling, inflammation, or chronic or acute pain.
How Do You Use Low Frequency Sound Therapy?
Low frequency or infrasonic therapy is typically delivered in a hand-held or portable device. This device has a transducer that is very similar to that used in ultrasound technology.
You simply run this transducer over various parts of your body in order to receive the healing benefits of the low frequency sound waves.
Low frequency sound therapy can also be delivered in specially designed chairs that are equipped with internal speaker systems. These systems deliver low frequency sound to your body while you are sitting in the chair.
Both chair and hand-held systems often incorporate massage therapy in order to maximize the benefits of low frequency sound therapy.
What are the Benefits of Low Frequency Sound Therapy?
Low frequency sound therapy is thought to help relieve a variety of unpleasant physical symptoms, including: acute pain chronic pain joint pain and stiffness muscle pain fatigue sleep disorders
How Does Low Frequency Sound Therapy Work?
Low frequency sound therapy is thought to be effective in reducing painful physical ailments by stimulating cell reproduction and other bodily changes.
In particular, low frequency sound therapy is thought to increase the production of hyaluronic acid (HLA), which helps to lubricate joints and relieves muscle and joint pain and inflammation. Low frequency sound also stimulates cellular repair, helping to increase overall bodily health and stamina.
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Not just Medsonix does this kind of therapy. May be worth looking into other sources...?
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LOW FREQUENCY RESEARCH�CLIENT POPULATIONS AND COMMON FREQUENCIES USED -LITERATURE REVIEW
By Dr. Heidi Ahonen, Professor of Music Therapy, Wilfrid Laurier University, Ontario, Canada (www.wlu.ca) Director of the Laurier Centre for Music Therapy Research (www.soundeffects.wlu.ca)
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Michel & Chesky (1996) studied music vibration in pain relief. According to Skille (1989) and Skille & Wigram (1995, p. 39) low-back pains have been reduced by the use of 52 Hz frequency.
Accordingly 68Hz has been effective with neck and shoulder pains. Physioacoustic treatment has also been used in order to decrease the pain of knee replacement patients (Burke and Thomas, 1997) and post-operative gynecological patients (Burke, 1997).
Walters (1996) also studied the psychological and physiological effects of vibrotactile stimulation, via Somatron, on patients awaiting scheduled gynecological surgery. 52Hz has also been used for menstrual pains and symenhorea with good results (Skille, 1989; Skille & Wigram, 1995 p. 39).
According to Skille, Wigram & Weekes (1989), Skille (1989), and Skille & Wigram, (1995) low frequency sound waves are reported to relieve pain and to reduce the length of the rehabilitation period when treating sports injuries, such as acute muscle traumas or post-operative convalesneces.
At the LCMTR we conducted a sports injury research (Tiidus, Markoulakis, Murray, Bryden, Ahonen-Eerik�inen, 2008) in collaboration with Karkkainen in which we used frequencies between 40 Hz and 60Hz.
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This place has some cool stuff related to soud therapy... (Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread - Just thought people may like to know some alternatives...)
Does anyone know? Wizard
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I have not read all the posts but I am wondering about brain fog and cognitive problems. Does this help that?
Everything I have read on this treatment is related to pain. I don't have much pain just a super messed up brain.
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my brain is super messed up too...pain (fibro, joint type) is at the bottom of my list. I can handle that pain....nothing compares to my 'head stuff'/
if inflammation is causing your brain stuff, it may be worth trying.
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The LightWorks uses infrared light pulsed at the Nogier frequencies where the other info is about low frequency sound waves - infrasonic.
I have seen some studies as to how this can help people with Alzheimers. I'd have to look some more to find them. I'll check into it later today.
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PS - there are some negative effects of infrasound. I think it can be too much if one is exposed on a long term basis. I think there are some complaints about sound from the windmills being made these days for energy production.
I guess it goes both ways - like fire. I didn't find anything directly relating to brain fog. I'll have to look again at another time.
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Many of my daughter's symptoms were cognitive in addition to pain. The pain is pretty much not a player anymore, and the cognitive stuff is MUCH MUCH better, well within the realm of "normal." But I just realized that at this moment, she's on her way back from Medsonix Vegas, so I'll interview her and get the lowdown on the cognitive and pain questions and post back here.
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Paul -- You could be an assistant practioner therefor you don't have to be a real practioner. How many of us look to make sure a practioner graduated and are licensed to do what ever they do. You could also create a youtube explaining how your not liable if they grow a third leg or an eyebrow in between their other eyebrows and if they do (complement them about how cro-magnon they are).
By the way, are you looking for investors, after lyme I've got half a two dollar bill and a penny with a hole in it...
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I recently tried something I think is similar. Its called the Life Vessel.
About the Life Vessel�
Recent clinical research suggests that the human body, when able to go into a natural state of relaxation and balance can produce dramatic results which allow the body to create natural healing. The Life Vessel� is a non-invasive patented (US6544165B1) apparatus that uses frequency, vibration, sound and light to enable a person to reach this natural state, allowing the body the ability to heal itself.
The Life Vessel�s� ability to balance and relax the body is accomplished by a direct affect on three major areas:
Balancing the parasympathetic and sympathetic parts of the ANS. De-Stressing the whole body � physically, mentally and emotionally Detoxification of the whole body � physically, mentally and emotionally
day 2 I think I herxed badly. Sweating profusely and felt achy and exhausted. A coffee enema helped reduce the severity later that night.
I have felt pretty good since doing it but still have bad days. They told me that typically people with Lyme need to do about 3-4 sessions like I did to see lasting impact.
You do the treatment by yourself but beside sounds it has lights and vibration involved.
Just thought I would share since this treatment seemed somewhat similar to the medsonix.
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Medsonix is audio waves through a transducer. Very different.
There is so much we don't know about our bodies and healing. So much of the modern allopathic medical practices we depend upon today I believe will be replaced by less invasive and more powerful forms of healing with sound and light. It's just starting!
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steelbone - you could probably make it into a private club for members only... Just an idea.
There are portable devices you can get that have low frequency sound for healing. I posted one for about $700. It's not as big as a whole room device but it might help. They also have these devices for veterinary practice - race horses, etc.
Seem they get better treated than many people these days.
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Steelbone - I don't see government as the biggest problem. It will be how big pharma and big health industry can control and make most money off it. Forget the small guys....the big guys got to figure out how to max profits and control small owners.
Just my take.
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Steelbone, Missy, I don't want to get into blame here. Change is often painful and usually takes longer than we think it should. There will be breakthroughs in human development and thus thinking that over time that will bring forth new ways of healing. That's inevitable. In the meantime, we've got what we've got, and I am grateful for what Medsonix is doing for my daughter and others.
She just came back from Vegas on Sunday from doing Medsonix. I asked her last night to give me a "weather report," and here it is: Her always-on headache that was a 5-6 level when she started Medsonix (that NO pain meds could touch), is background now, at a 0-1 most of the time, and occasionally flares up to a 4 when she's stressed. BUT IT COMES BACK DOWN!
She reports that her energy is well within the range of "normal." As her Mom, I'd say she's got MORE energy than most people her age (22). She works fulltime in a VERY stressful job (package design), on her feet all day, often working overtime, dealing with office politics, miscommunications, demanding clients, etc.
And then, like a "normal" young person, she goes out in the evening and hangs with friends. We don't see her that much! This is good. Very, very good. Beats the way it was!
When she was a baby, I was dreading the teenaged years of "sex, drugs, and rock and roll." HA! If only life had been that normal! We didn't ever imagine it would be "Lyme, drugs, and PICC lines!!"
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Orion, This is such wonderful news! Your daughter must be such a strong, compassionate person for having been through all of this. You must be so proud of her!
Thanks for your posts. Best regards!
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re: When she was a baby, I was dreading the teenaged years of "sex, drugs, and rock and roll." HA! If only life had been that normal! We didn't ever imagine it would be "Lyme, drugs, and PICC lines!!"
I like how you put that... well said. You have a good sense of humor.
Wishing you & your daughter continuing success.
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Thank you so much. We've been through so much, but mainly it's been her. It made her be someone she was not going to become.
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Our daughter has been to Medsonix twice now, about a month apart,in Las Vegas. She has had significant improvement during this time.
She is willing to travel, which was impossible a few months ago. She seems to operate at a better level, with more energy. She is still in the battle, but this therapy appears to be hastening her recovery.
I noticed that pain and inflammation related to my own back problems were decreased by a therapy session I had when we were at Medsonix.
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Thanks for bringing this back up. I would like to see an update from Orion.
My concern as with any new treatment is ...... does it last?
I beleive that these things work but will it put you into remission.
I've considered many alternative treatments such as HBOT, but I spoke to so many people that said the results didn't last. I was not ready to fork out a couple thousand bucks.
Some people think it's worth it to have some relief for a period of time.
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I am so pleased, but I am not at all surprised. It's amazing. Try to keep it consistent if you can.
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My prior post was a response to Diane. -------------- Haley, about the "does it last" conversation... we did everything, years of orals, 18 months of IV, 3 months of 10X a week HBOT, etc etc etc... you name it, we did it. She was brought back from the brink, she got a "life" again from he IV, but it was still a life with constant pain. Medsonix is what took her over the line and put her squarely back in normal life. She's now working full-time, learning how it is to work for a corporation (not so fun), the ins-and-outs of office politics, what mismanagement looks and feels like; she has a great boyfriend, she's in a 7-month high level Leadership program where she's been encouraged to write an inspirational book about her journey, which she is doing. None of this was possible without Medsonix. She still does it 1X a month. We'd like it to be a cure, but we don't know. We'll take this right now. Perhaps the cure may come, in some part, from being able to feel what it is to have a normal life again.
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Thanks Orion. I'm really happy that she is doing so well.
Is she on any meds at all or is she primarily doing the Medsonix?
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She is not on ANY meds. She takes some supplements, period. She is med-free!!!! When we started, and I think I've said this, she could barely RIDE in the car to Vegas (4 hour ride). NOW, she drives there by HERSELF if need be, she's worked her way up to 4 hours sitting in front of the Medsonix, and she drives the 4 hours back to LA, tarts up, and goes out.
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One thing my daughter likes about Medsonix is that it is a sound therapy, and it does not require needles.
Crossing the blood-brain barrier is an issue with medication for Lyme, so therapies that use alternate methods, such as sound, light, rife, seem to hold some promise.
Medsonix appears to help by supporting and activating the immune system.
It reduces inflammation and improves circulation which are a big problems in Lyme and other chronic illnesses.
If you can drop the inflammation load, and get the blood moving, the body can do a lot more to fight for itself.
Dr. S has written a great deal about reducing inflammation, and while the research on XMRV is in dispute, it has been said that inflammation feeds XMRV.
It seems that each person also needs to address the underlying problems that Lyme has made so much worse.
These could be mold, parasites, gluten sensitivity, a huge viral or bacterial load, etc. So I think this therapy can help a lot, and there may also be other things that a person needs to be doing.
We are going to continue going for treatments as Orion's daughter did, and see how it goes. We are all more hopeful at our house than in the past, which is certainly positive!
I will post updates as we go.
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Orion here, let me update you on my daughter. It does bring down chronic pain, bigtime. Does it last? Yes and no. She got relief for about a month, then it stretched into 6 weeks and going every 4 weeks. Life being what it is, this time it stretched into 2 months, and she has had more pain and is driving to Vegas this Saturday. I don't hold it as a "cure." I can't say if we've killed all the bugs and this is "aftermath," but in any event it has given her a life (working full time +), a boyfriend, and a normal existence.
A question we're kicking around is if Medsonix reduces pain, brings down inflammation, and increases blood flow, and if THAT'S what is making her feel so good, how can we do those things at home in the hopes of getting a similar effect??
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I posted some options earlier in the thread...
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Our daughter returned from her third trip to Medsonix this week.
Since her first trip to Medsonix in April, she has had medication changes, and is seeing a new doctor locally with excellent insight regarding digestion and exercise.
She continues to see the doctor she has seen for nearly a year for TBDs. While she made great progress with antibiotics, she was reaching a plateau level that left her with great limitations.
Disabling CFS was a good characterization, and the prospect of a normal life appeared remote.
However, since April she has made significant progress. April and early May were touch and go with some good highlights.
After the second Medsonix trip and recovery from plane travel, she had a better month with some travel and productive days. Every week had a few bad days, but most days she could count on getting some things done.
We just returned from our third Medsonix visit, and the difference in her while traveling and afterward is substantial.
She handled the plane trip without a post-trip multi-day crash. The day after she came home she was tired, but she was grocery shopping and out to dinner with friends.
Her energy level is up and her mental acuity has increased. Orthostatic intolerance has declined. Pain levels appear to have declined, but I will ask her specifically about that.
My own pain from a back injury certainly declined following treatment.
It is difficult to attribute my daughter's rapid improvement to anything except Medsonix. We have begun to anticipate that she will continue on an uphill path.
Currently, it appears she needs to go to Medsonix on a recurring basis to continue improving.
At the least, Medsonix therapy is an excellent adjunct to other treatments, and it may be the most essential treatment. The Medsonix staff we have met have been wonderful.
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Thanks to all for the replies. I am so glad to read that this adjunct treatment has helped.
Have any other centers opened other than Las Vegas and Naples? It would be wonderful to have one in the Midwest.
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Great to hear Dana's daughter's good experience with Medsonix! Very consistent with our experience.
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I don't understand..if the treatment is all the same...why charge more if it's just for arthritis? Why not a set price?
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Orion, you were on here when I came on. As you might remember, my daughter started getting sick in her teens as well.
She has had continued progression in her treatment with one major relapse due to overexertion in school activities.
She has yet to get a job due to inconsitent symptoms.
I would be interested in hearing that she continues to improve without further treatment. I know this is not a cure for Lyme Disease, and only meant to give relief for inflammatory illness.
But, it is something to consider. I really appreciate that you have weighed the consequences of coming on here with the new "latest and greatest". For me, this gives the treatment validity.
You have nothing to gain from this, I can tell.
Give your daughter a big hug, from a mother who has sympathy.
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I've been interested in the treatment since you've had this thread going. It's a tough choice though, since it clearly isn't exactly a cure or treatment for Lyme Disease by itself.
There are so many other things we need to do to treat the illness and collateral damage, it's hard to know where our time and $$ are best spent.
But at this point, if anything would give a big boost towards feeling better and functioning better, that would be huge! It's just that one has to triage the time and $$ factor, since so much else has to be addressed.
Crystal ball, please!
Please, everyone who is doing this, keep us updated, as it sounds so promising. It's just not the most practical thing for those of us who have to fly there---which is most of us.
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Id also like to know if there are any older people that have benefited from this procedure.
I am seriously considering doing it. i live is AZ so it is do-able for me. The problem that does bother me is having to go once a month for treatments. I know i can drive but calculating the costs of staying, gas, treatment can still add up.
I know there are no guarantees but i guess we are all just trying to get the best information before spending the money - once again.
I have to say though - I am doing more and more reading on it and am getting pretty excited about it.
So - Anyone older out there doing it? I guess i ask this because, you know, we don't bounce back as easily as the younger ones.
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I recommended Medsonix to a Lyme patient, who took her 85 year old father, who was losing his sight due to restricted blood flow to his eyes. He was a retired doctor. In the morning, before the treatment, he could not read the breakfast menu, so she read it to him. Then, at the end of the day, after two 30 min. treatments, they went to dinner and he could read the menu! Also, he did not need his usual afternoon nap, and then wanted to go to a movie, which they did, and he did NOT fall asleep like he would always do. He was begging for one to come to LA! There are a LOT of us begging for one to come to LA!
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I just called Medsonix and they told me for lyme I would need four treatments in the am and four in the pm and to do that for three days. Cost is $199 for four treatments--acutally quite cheap in the lyme world imo. They also have a rate of $99 at the Bellagio for lyme patients. As for returning every month, they said it's up to the person. One could go every month or every two or three months. Makes it easier for us who live a long way away like in Montana.
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I'd try it out once and see how that goes. VERY important to take an inventory of symptoms before starting... meaning you walked in the door with a headache of X, fatigue of X, joint pain of X, etc. And then note any changes you have at the end of each day, or the next morning. When you start to feel better, you can easily forget how badly you felt before. We started out at one month intervals, and now we are at 6 week intervals, except this time, when -- because life was so good -- we let it go to 2 months. We are in LA, a 4 hour drive away, so it's relatively easy to get there. It's a "commute!"
Also, remember that they can't answer any medical questions, so don't ask. They are not allowed to under their FDA designation. Some people have been inappropriate about this. Just enjoy the ride!
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My daughter says her pain is much less after treatment. Also, many older people go to Medsonix and appear to have much benefit from it.
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As Orion said, if you try it, do inventory your symptoms first. After our first visit, I was not sure how much Medsonix had helped my daughter versus the stress of traveling, especially by plane.
However, I knew it had helped me. After another few visits, it has clearly helped her. Tonight she is busy reorganizing my pantry, which is quite a change from a few months ago.
We met an older gentleman with Lyme at Medsonix, and his wife told me he was getting a lot of benefit from it.
Hope to hear other's experiences!
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So Diane and Orion, Should one do just one treatment and then come back a month later. How did your treatments go? Did you do several a day? One a day for several days or what? Thanks for your help.
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That is sooo great to hear! This is why I waited a YEAR to tell anybody about this. We have suffered so much financially from Lyme... I did not not want to have one other person suffer needlessly.
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Not to sidetrack but CFS can be caused by a parasite called Cryptostrongylus Pulmoni - hidden lung worm. You may want to have your daughter try an anti-parasite protocol...?
I had CFS when I was in my 20s & it went away but I developed Fibromyalgia 8 years later - which was re-diagnosed as Lyme. The anti-parasite herbs really helped me.
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