Topic: Multiple Signs of Parasites: Parasites speak many languages
GiGi
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Gas/Bloating Grinding teeth Caughing at night Weight loss/gain Obesity/under-weight Lethargy/fatigue Sexual dysfunction Migraine headache Vision problems Brain fogs Craving for foods Anemia/eosinophilia Bruxism Allergies Suppress allergies Immune deficiency syndrome Mental/behavior problems Constipation/diarrhea Psoriasis/eczema Food allergies Knee/hip pain Abdominal pain IBS/Colitis Waking up at night/bed wetting Night sweats Rectal itching Muscle/joint pain Cyst/tumor
Don't wait - treat!
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Great list and thanks for posting this GiGi. I am going to add nausea to this list.
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Umm...sounds like every symptom known to man. lol.
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Can someone please explain this parasite thing to me? How do you know if you have them? Are there any tests that can be done to detect?
My husband has recently developed a few of the symptoms above besides all the other typical lyme symptoms, which has me thinking possibly parasites.
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I've heard the stool tests are unreliable. I was actually told by my chiropractor that I had a problem with parasites. This was done through some type of muscle testing and his use of a laser.
I guess you could try a course of anti parasitic herbs or one of the anti parasite products. Others may be able to suggest what to do. I'm new to parasites and don't know much! LOL!
Gael and Gigi seem to be the experts so hopefully they will come along with some advice.
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I think I've read in your other posts that when treating parasites, yeast can come out of hiding. Is this correct? I started some parasite meds a while back and after a couple weeks into them, the candida problem that I thought was somewhat in check previously flared up again quite badly!
Any input/advice on this would be appreciated!! Thanks!
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skies,
If you only did 30 days of a parasite cleanse, that's not nearly enough. You should stay on the herbs for at least 6 mos or more.
You can also do a candida cleanse, but most of the antiparasitic herbs have antufungal properties as well. I also take coconut oil and drink kefir to replace the good flora.
Sandy,
There is lots of info here on lymenet about parasites that you can read about. You can also google parasites AND visit the Humaworm.com site for lots of info.
Gael
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This treatment is with prescription medication. I will likely be finishing the round of pyrantel pamoate and ivermectin shortly. Then I will probably be on to another med.
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I am considering doing a parasite cleanse...it's hard to say if I have them or not...I clearly have some of those symptoms, but they could be from Lyme, co-infections, yeast...I don't know how to tell...anyway, what do you recommend for treating them?...and is it safe with antibiotics.
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Gael I looked up the humaworm as you suggested to me and it is very interesing wtih teh tingling in hands and feet.
I see you say to take it for 6 months. I called them and they said only 30 days and then you wait 90 days before using it again? Did they give you that information or you just foudn that it helped better.
Just hoping there is no herx with his one. I am just too tired and sick to deal with anymore bad days, hours and minutes.
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I add severe throbbing and pounding to the list. I think vibrating was mentioned.
Annier, if you go extremely slow there is no herx.
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annier,
Humaworm for whatever reason says to only treat for thirty days. From my personal experience this is incorrect, at least for thos with Lyme disease. Parastroy is much stronger and suggests treating for 6 mos.
I have been doing antiparasitics for over 5 yrs with great success. The KEY is staying on them and pushing forward. The dieoff can be difficult, but you have to push through it, in order to get rid of the infection.
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oh my I've got all those and more
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It takes a keen brain to say this: Dr. K. said it to me in 1998 and he published it in 2004:
"Common Co-Infections
The list of significant co-infections is limited: roundworms, tapeworms, threadworms, toxoplasmosis, giardia and amoebas, clostridia, the herpes virus family, parvovirus B 19, active measles (in the small intestine), leptospirosis, chronic strep infections and their mutations, Babesia, Brucella, Ehrlichiosis, Bartonella, mycoplasma, Rickettsia, Bartonella and a few others.
Molds and fungi are always part of the picture.
The pattern of co-infections and the other preexisting conditions such as mercury toxicity determine the symptom-picture but not the severity.
What Influences the Severity of Your Symptoms?
The severity of symptoms correlates most closely with the overall summation or body burden of coexisting conditions and with the genetically determined ability to excrete neurotoxins.
The genes coding for the glutathione S-transferase and for the different alleles of apolipoprotein E (E2, E3 and E4) play a major role. E2 can carry twice as much sulfhydryl-affinitive toxins (such as mercury and lead) out of the cell as the E3 subtype, E4 carries out none.
Trouble in the methylation, acetylation and sulfation pathways is also common. Other factors, such as diet and food allergies, past toxic and electromagnetic exposures, emotional factors and unhealed ancestral trauma, scar interference fields and occlusal jaw and bite problems are also important (6).
The severity of symptoms is not related to the number of spirochetes in your system but rather to your individual immune response.
Taking all of the above into account, we do not distinguish between people who have the Bb infection and those who don�t. Instead, we distinguish between people who have Lyme disease and those who do not.
a) Patients who are infected with any type of Borrelia and are symptomatic have �Lyme� disease
b) Healthy people who are not symptomatic often already have a spirochete infection as well. They may or may not be disasters waiting to happen. But they do not (yet) have Lyme �disease�.
Most often several of the �co-infections� are already present prior to the infection with Bb or other spirochetes.
In treatment we focus on exploring the difference between symptomatic and asymptomatic carriers. We treat what the symptomatic person is missing (such as enough magnesium in the diet) or has extra (such as mercury) compared to the asymptomatic one.
The group suffering most is newborn babies and young children, who rarely are diagnosed correctly and therefore are not treated appropriately. They often carry the labels ADHD, autistic spectrum disorder (ASD), seizure disorder and others. Detoxifying these kids with transdermal DMPS and treating the chronic infections is often curative."
Detoxification is the major chore. And once you do, spirochetes don't have much chance.
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Just wondering how Kroeger wormwood rates in your opinion?
Have you ever used that? If so how does it compare to Humaworm & Parastroy? I read a post earlier that stated Parastroy was stronger.
Did you start with that ? or ease into it and hop between products etc? I am curious, I just started Kroeger Wormwood combination.
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I have used Humaworm. Hanna Kroeger wormwood combo, Hulda Clark, Paragone and Parastroy. I think they all helped, but found the Parastroy to work the best along with salt/c. Persistence is Key. One month is not even close to being enough.
Gael
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Eradicating parasites and their offspring is not possible with these herbs. They help, but they do not do a complete job. Pharmaceuticals as I had posted them several times are needed. There is no way around it unless you want to be doing this for years. And they multiply by the thousands every full moon and symptoms increase during lunar cycle. Dr.K. has good reason why he recommends pharma for this --- not something he does very lightly, and it is not a very easy task even with pharmas. Hopefully, as usual, he will probably come around with something that will be easier....
This from a recent Dr.K. conference where parasites were discussed for several hours:
"Why parasite problems are overlooked?
We assume that parasites are only in 3rd world countries.
Worldwide global migration and change in their diet.
Global climate changes.
Stool analysis for parasites is simply not a reliable test.
Most parasites are outside of the intestinal tract.
Co-factors from environmental pollutions and poor minerals and nutritional status.
Animals (dogs, cats and other pets) at home.
Parasites have complex life cycle and the ecosystem.
Parasites are deceptive, adaptive and difficult to eradicate."
(from a recent seminar where parasites were discussed for many hours!)
Take care.
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with herbs and salt/c. I also added lots of fresh cloves to my coffee and got rid of thousands of eggs.
The herbs might work slower, but I don't agree that pharmacueticals are the only way to get rid of parasites.
Before big pharma came along, people did rely more on natural remedies. Herbs may take longer, but they are not as hard on the liver. Not everyone has a doctor that will prescribe pharma scripts of antiparasitics that is the length of time Dr. K. does.
We need to keep ALL options open and not close other avenues to healing.
Gael
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P. S.
The parasites that are outside of the G. I, track are totally affected by the salt. The salt is very effective in flooding the tissues and organs and flushing out the parasites.
They can't stand it and shrivel up and dry out through osmosis, or try escaping thru other orfices. There is more than one way to skin a cat so to speak.
Gael
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Someone mentioned above that the parasites multiply rapidly during a full moon.
Are there any additional precautions/therapies that should be used during a full moon in order to combat/slow down this multiplication?
I've been feeling fine recently, but yesterday I started getting very sick again, and it's strange that it's the day before the full moon...
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James,
The full moon is when they procreate, so staying on antiparasitics during this time is very important. You can hit them with some salt and water and some extra fresh cloves as well.
Staying on maintenance antiparasitics is extremely important even if you feel completely well. If just one egg is left, the cycle will start all over, not to mention the parasites we pick up through the yr by other sources, such as food,and eating out in restaurants.
Gael
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Gael, thanks a lot for the info.
Does it work if I just take extra sea salt during the day? For example, I have a lot of fresh homemade sauerkraut juice which is very salty with sea salt... Would it be beneficial to drink that frequently?
Coincidentally (before I heard from you that salt is beneficial) I drank 2 cups of the sauerkraut juice for the first time today, and I was wondering if I was damaging myself from the saltiness.
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James,
The lactic acid in the sauerkraut is very benefical for establishing good bacteria. The salt will kill the parasites and not affect the good bacteria. So, yes it is very beneficial. Are you taking any antiparasitics at this time.?
Gael
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do antifungals or say humaworm destroy probiotics? can you still take them?
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Gael - yeah, I'm taking Paraclear and Fungal Defense and Candida Cleanse (I think that's what they're called). Also I take caprylic acid, olive leaf complex, enzymes that break down bad yeasts, etc. TONS of stuff!
I like Randi's question, and I'm looking forward to the answer as well.
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Is there any danger in taking too much salt? How do you know if you've gone over the limit?
I imagine that people with high blood pressure and other circulatory problems might have to be careful... but if someone doesn't have those problems, is it pretty much safe?
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How much salt do you add to the water? teaspoon? tablespoon etc ?
I find lots of times i crave salty foods.
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The antifungal and antiparasitic herbs will kill the good bacteria, so you have to replace it like you would when taking abx. Taking Sea salt is much different than table salt.
Sea salt contains between 60-80 natural minerals and is almost identical to our own natural saline. It is bouyant and passes thru the digestive track and bypasses the kidneys.
From the research I have done, high blood pressure can be a result of an infection such as Lyme. You can do a search by googling sea salt benefits and precautions.
Some people are salt sensitive. I started with 1/4 tsp sea salt and 1/4 tsp of vit C powder in a large glass of water.
I ramped up slowly accorsding to when the herxing would stop. I never had any swelling or problems while taking salt/c and my b/p has run a steady 120/70 or lower.
Sea salt and vitamin C are also VERY beneficial for adrenal and immune support. A lot of us are salt deficient through sweating etc.
You can visit lymestrategies for more insight because these are the people taking salt/c as well as other alternatives.
Have to go out to Whole Foods now. Will check back later. Hope everyone has a pleasant day.
Gael
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Just wanted to add that I went up to 20 gms of sea salt a day, divided into 4 equal doses. I tsp equals 5,000 mg.
Not everyone goes up that high and some people stay at lower doses. It took me several months to ramp up that high. The key is to ramp up slowly and drink lots of water to circulate the salt. Always check with your doctor.
BTW, I am only 5'3" and weigh approx 130lbs. The person who developed the protocol at the lymephotos site suggests you take the salt according to body weight.
I think it was 1gm for every 10lbs. Double check because I am not sure, and check with lymestrategies. I am not pushing salt/c, just letting you know what worked for me.
Gael
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Why do you need long term treatment? I worm my horses twice a year and the cat's when I see signs of worms because they eat mice. They can reinfect themselves.
I treated myself with ivermectrin several months ago, and felt absolutely nothing and saw nothing. The signs I think of with worms are bloated belly, itchy rectum, dry brittle hair, sallow skin or worms in stools.
I had a friend whose children were infected with round worms playing in dirt at a dairy. When they were wormed just one time she said it was a mess.
As ivermectrin is a powerful wormer, what else could it miss? I also do not flare or have any symptoms during full moons any more. This full moon was a very good period.
I am also feeling a lot better. So is it safe to assume I am worm free? The whole idea is disgusting.
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I took 2 weeks of Mebendazole and Albendazole for Trichinella. I never saw anything in my stools.
I just started parastroy and am having very noticeable herxing and die-off.
The only other time I tried Parastroy was before the pharma meds I listed above. I never had any die-off symptoms. Perhaps they were untouchable at the time, hiding in sludge along the colon wall.
I take bentonite and psyllium every morning to keep that sludge consistently peeled away.
I actually had tested positive via a stool test for Trichinella and equivocal for roundworm. So... I'm treating until I'm healthy I don't care how long it takes.
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That's the amount I read somewhere on line. I just looked on my Vitamin C powder bottle, and it reads 1/3 tsp equals 1.31 gams. I also remember reading on another Vitamin C powder bottle(I think it was ny Natrol) that 1/4 tsp equals 1.25 gms.
Cane, where did you get the figure of 1/4 tsp = 500mg? I was never a math genius,but scored high in judgement and accuracy. I can accurately eyeball 1/4 tsp of sea salt and vitamin C and that's what works for me.
Nefferdun,
If your just referring to a roundworm infection then that probably wouldn't be that hard to eradicate.
However, with Lyme disease,because of the possible co-infection of Filarial Worms, that is a different ball game.
Also, the other coinfections of hookworms, threadworms and pinworms + other parasites, usually are found in people with supressed immune systems, and long term tx is needed.
Gael
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Real Salt is the brand of sea salt I buy (and I think what gael buys)
Gael, Read your bottle of salt or the package it came in. Most are serving size: 1/4 tsp = 500mg
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Cane,
My Real Salt says that 1/4 tsp = 1.41 gms. 1gm = 1,000mg.
James,
Real Salt is a brand of sea salt which is in it's natural form and not processed. Table salt is devoid of all minerals and is processed. It also contains silicon dioxide to make it pour more easily. Table salt is poison!
Gael
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Ok 1/4 tsp is 1.4 g of Real Salt
The sodium content of 1/4 tsp is 530mg
Does that matter gael? or is it just how much salt (not sodium) is we mix with Vit C?
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Cane,
Just realized that my Real Salt is fine grain. Did you get a coarser salt and therefore the measurement could be different?
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Mine is fine grain too.
I edited my post above. See what you think.
530 mg SODIUM is in 1/4 tsp of what we take
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Oh, okay, that makes sense. Sodium is salt, so you're correct with the amount of 530mg. The balance of weight must be the minerals. If 1/4 tsp works and makes you herx, then okay.
Just ramp up according to how you feel.That's what I do. Does that make sense?
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Gael,
You said that you have been doing this for 5 years. Do you think that you will be stopping at some point? If it takes that long to work it sounds similar to methods that other people are using. How much longer do you think you will be treating this before you allow your immune system to take over?
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Gotcha Gael, thanks
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Haley,
It actually started working at the six month mark when all those parasites pictured on lymephotos came pouring out of me.
I had tons of other parasites exiting as well. I am sure I had the Filarial worm co-infection also. I have had lyme and co for over 30 yrs, so 5 yrs to heal is nothing in the bigger scheme of things.
I was also dealing with bart, babs and erlichia as well as Lyme. The combo seems to be working on eradicating all of the infections and I am closer to remission every day.
I will always do maintenance doses of salt/c and herbs so I don't relapse.
Gael
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Agree with maintenance dosages of antiparasitic herbs.
once over Lyme and Cos I will also be on long term parasite herbs. (taking 1-2 months break each year)
2 colon therapists I've been to who've both beaten Lyme do the same thing.
they told me they will never stop treating parasites.
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Gael, It took six months before you saw anything?
When u first started were u on the salt/c or just the herbs?
I crave salt sometimes & have wondered if that is a normal thing? Especially since I am in the pulsing stage of my abx. I have heard salt cravings can kick in when adredenals are fatigued, so i just give in to the salt craving usually...
I just started the Kroeger, so I am at the beginning & am not sure if Kroeger is 'enough" but i guess it is a start.
Feel free to PM me if you have any advice. Thx
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That rang a bell Gael. I understand now.
Our immune system, when healthy, keeps worms at bay. For instance, mammals are often infected with round worms at birth because the eggs stay in the mother's blood and are transferred through the placenta. The adult mammal become immune to the worm eggs so they won't hatch, but when a female becomes pregnant the babies are infected and their immune systems do not know how to respond. Most mammals become immune to round worms even if they are not wormed.
With a compromised immune system we can no longer eliminate worms. I thought you meant all of these things were transferred through the same tick bite but we could be exposed to them anywhere.
One of the theories about type one diabetes is that living in such a "clean" environment does not train our immune system to respond appropriately, and it goes haywire attacking itself. So they theorize it is a good thing to be exposed to these things. I have exposure, that is for sure - lots of animals.
But I wasn't thinking myself having round worms. We do not have to worry about hookworms here because no one ever goes barefoot. Pinworms would cause itchy rectum (horses scratch their tails off). I will investigate filial worm and threadworms.
Sure hope I am right this ONE time and do not have these infections as well! I hope my immune system can be strong in one area even though it is weakened in another. Otherwise this would be more like AIDS. We would succumb to everything, even the common cold.
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so you really think that since i had those pinworms, you know the little white ones that kids have after you wipe), as a child, that i could have parasites now?
have to admit, my mom treated them with everything she could think of.
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One reason you are to only use Humaworm for 30 days and then take a break from it is that you can become allergic to the herbs.
I took ginger when on antibiotics for a full year to settle my stomch and became allergic to it. After the bionic and AI I am no longer allergic to it.
However, you can do other herbs inbetween rounds of Humaworm--such as Enula.
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