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I have 8 small white sores in an isolated spot on my gum. Any idea what this could be? One of my worst symptoms is trigeminal neuralgia pain felt in my teeth, gums and face. I've had pain for over a year, but I've never seen anything on my gums until now.
I'm currently taking minocyline, low dose ivermectin, and supplements. I'm concerned that since taking antibiotics another infection has had the opportunity to grow on my gum.
Any ideas or suggestions?
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Hi ! Could it be a form of thrush?????? Yeast build up.
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It could be canker sores, they are very painful. You can apply an over-the-counter topical gel such as Oragel to get some relief.
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Better yet, Glyoxide....orajel eats your gums
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It could be from mercury. Do you have amalgams?
My sores were mercury related. The first time I did Allergie Immun drops, my mouth broke out in about 30 sores (extremely painful). But it cleared quickly. Several people familiar with AI said they thought it was related to my amalgams and that my body was "clearing" my allergy to mercury. I accepted this answer as a possibility, but I wasn't sure. 3 months later when I finally had my amalgams removed, my mouth broke out in sores again (fewer and less painful though). So for me, I believe my sores were mercury related.
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Thanks for the replies. I thought about thrush, but I've seen thrush before in my patients and this is different.
I only have one very very small cavity that was filled when I was a kid. It is silver so I guess that means it had mercury? The sores are under that tooth so maybe it's related.
I was kind of hoping it was a "healing reaction" and the bacteria was leaving my body through my gums. Since I have had a lot of trigeminal neuralgia pain.
I guess I'll wait a couple of days and if they are still there I'll follow up with my dentist and LLMD.
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- Be sure your toothpaste does not contain junk, especially sodium laurel sulfate. SLS contributes to aphthous ulcers (canker sores).
Also be sure you don't have floride, petroleum procducts, dyes, or artificial ANYTHING in your toothpaste. Most toothpastes burn. If yours does, ditch it. Anything that burns your mouth can be very irritating to the tender tissue.
Sea Buckthorn oil does not burn as do most mouth rinses. It contains only organic berry and seed oil, nothing else (many mouth rinses contain petroleum products and dyes).
This is what has helped me the most. It is very soothing and also seems to calm tinnitus. When a few drops of oil are placed in the mouth, this lasts longer than any other oil to help reduce "dry mouth" - and I've tried everything, absolutely everything.
I found that, used as a mouth rinse, this is amazing to get rid of dead tissue and helps reduce plaque, too.
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Now, both Sea Buckthorn oil and Sangre de Grado will stain clothing or countertops. Be very careful when placing the dropper into your mouth - and try to avoid actual contact but, when that happens, be ready with a tissue so the dropper can be cleaned.
I have found they may stain my teeth every so slightly (orange) but it decreases with good foods and gentle brushing.
With all the herbs and the tea that I drink my teeth are not Hollywood white, anyway. I'd rather be able to keep my teeth, though, even if they are a little darker than what the media and advertising would have us think is attainable at no risk.
Be sure to avoid any tooth whitening products as they can be very caustic to tissue.
Organic strawberries can actually help brighten teeth a bit.
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In addition to the oil and resin above for topical application, I found that only when I took Olive Leaf Extract (SeaGate) did my mouth and lip get better (and it took a few weeks to get there). When I stopped that, got worse again. -----
Vitamin deficiencies can also cause aphthous uclers.
Adrenal support may be of help.
Certain foods can trigger, too. So can gluten.
Chocolate is one of those triggers for some but, sometimes, it may be the brand or additives.
After a lot of self "testing" and "avoidance" and "trial" -- I find that Green & Black's 85% organic dark is the only chocolate that does not irritate my mouth. Even then, just an ounce a day and I rinse right away and brush soon afterward.
Sadly, various kinds of lower priced very dark chocolate from Trader Joe's was a disaster for my mouth.
However, cocoa in almond milk with stevia would be a better choice for a couple reasons.
To get it under control, though, it may be best to avoid all foods on the "trigger" list.
NUTS can also trigger these aphthous ulcers. For other foods that may
Search: aphthous+ulcers, food+triggers
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Keebler - what toothpaste do you recommend? Thanks.
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It could be viral. Pure virgin coconut oil will stop it if it is...
But pinches to start or it will produce a herx and worse lesions as it works. Esp. down throat...
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- James,
I'm still on the hunt for a good toothpaste that does not burn my mouth. I've gone through most labels.
Auromere used to have one that was perfect but I think they changed their formula. Tom's of Maine is also not as "clean" as it used to be but, still, far better than most.
Actually, a little baking soda - melted so as not to scratch teeth - seems to work fine.
I also then brush up into the gums with GSE - grapefruit seed extract (Seed-A-Dent) but I hear that is soon to be no more. Still, there are other GSE brands. Just a few drops on the brush. Rinse well.
I brush, floss, brush again. Ideally, a waterpik, too.
Toothpaste should also be gluten-free.
IONIC TOOTHBRUSH ?
anyone use one? I've been studying this and am considering getting one. -
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I'm also using Tom's of Maine fluoride-free stuff.
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- James,
I tried to find an ingredient list and can't. I did find one link that may list but it's in with a bunch of other stuff - no white space and my eyes just spaz out.
If you can find a link to an easy-to-read ingredient list directly from the company (I can't seem to find their home web site), that would be helpful. But, for a start, it looks good as it's free of a few common bad things and if it works for you, great. -
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- Runner17,
for you, it may be that coconut oil (as PineLady) suggests will work for you. It does not take away ulcers for me but it does help to soothe the mouth for a few minutes but I found the Sea Buckthorn oil to have a much longer lasting effect. Still, if coconut oil works for you, all the better (cheaper and clear color).
I had forgotten to mention: PROBIOTICS
Be sure to open up a capsule, or use powder straight in your mouth and let sit there for a while.
You might also try a little powder L-Glutamine rinse and spit out, but leave it coating your mouth tissue. I suggest spitting it out rather than swallow as, for some, it can be too excitatory to nervous system. As as mouth rinse, though, that should not be a problem.
Vitamins: B-1; B-5; B-6; B-12 and Folic Acid. D3.
Be sure your LLMD knows about this, too. Sometimes, such uclers can be a side-effect of certain medicines but, also in addition to infection connection, support of the immune system should be in place. -
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The thing that bothered me with the above one is the "potassium sorbate", but the cool thing about that preservative is that it prevents yeast and mold from growing.
PerioPaste ingredients: Phytoplenolin� (Centipeda Cunninghamii Extract), Bio-Chelated� Extracts of Echniacea Purpurea Tops (Echinacea Purpurea), Calendula Flower (Calendula Officinalis), Olive Leaf (Olea Europaea), Black Walnut Green Hulls (Juglans Nigra), Gotu Kola Herb (Centella Asiatica), Chamomile Flower (Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria)), Green Tea Leaf (Camellia Sinensis), Prickly Ash Bark (Zanthoxylum Americanum) and Grapefruit Seed (Citrus Grandis), Essential Oils of Peppermint (Mentha Piperita), Oregano (Origanum Vulgare), Clove (Eugenia Caryophyllus), Thyme (Thymus Vulgaris), Lavender (Lavandula Angustifolia), Cinnamon (Cinnamomum Zeylanicum) and Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus Globulus), Bio-SaponinTM (Saponins), Folic Acid, Coenzyme Q10 (Ubiquinone), Aloe Vera PhytogelTM (Aloe Barbadensis), Sodium Bicarbonate, Colloidal Silica, Lysine, Xylitol, Xantham Gum and Chlorophyll.
That one looks like it has a lot of good stuff in it.
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I like NOW brand's xylitol toothpaste. Fluoride free.
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We just recently discovered Trader Joe's toothpaste.... no flouride, and good ingredients. We love it.
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Tutu - I have to warn you that NOW's xylitol toothpaste contains sorbitol. Sorbitol is a sugar alcohol that feeds yeast! I had to warn you, because I know you have some bad yeast problems.
The funny thing is that you are usually the one warning us about sugar alcohols!
Tammy - I also like and use Trader Joe's sometimes. The thing that bothers me about it is that some people say that sodium lauryl sulphate is bad. I still haven't made a decision about it, but I keep myself open-minded to the possibility that it might be bad.
That's why I have 2 other kinds as a backup.
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- James, sorry. I just can't read that list. My eyes spasm a lot and bunched up text just turns to a sea of swirl. From what I could make out, it looks good. I just find that mint added to anything burns. Same with cinnamon.
One concern: maltodextrin may contain gluten. It depends upon the source and most places just can't even know that. Sometimes it is from corn or potato (and that could contain farm chemicals if this is not a 100% organic toothpaste).
Auromere has a paste that is licorice based for others who may be burned by mint or cinnamon in pastes or powders.
For a Therapeutic oil - Much better prices than the link I first posted above for another source: --------------
Botanical oil innovations (some are only for external use)
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Also to consider: Not topically, but to swallow Curcumin extract (capsules)to help lower systemic inflammation and as an antioxidant.
Systemic enzymes may also help.
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My focus on oils is partly for soothing of tissue. Also, some of the essential fatty acids are especially important for our mouths. If there is some kind of antimicrobial action, all the better but nutrition to the tissue is key and certain oils can help.
-- ----------- [while moderately comprehensive, this piece does not include HHV-6 in mention of the Herpesvirus connection. See link below for HHV-6 Foundation.
And, of course, there are dental spirochetes but lyme, itself can cause all kinds of oral issues. he does not mention that but most regular doctors would not even think about it.] -
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Those sound like symptoms of an abscessed tooth. ALL of the symptoms you describe can be caused by tooth abscesses.
For whatever reason, Lyme patients seem to have lots of problems with their teeth, including abscesses. I don't know whether it's the infections themselves, or the treatment, or strain on the immune system.
I say this because I've just spent the past year and a half dealing with this. It's been debilitating, excruciating, made me very ill, and has caused an unnecessary delay in possible improvement during Lyme treatment.
I had sores like you describe, bad facial swelling on that side of my face, swelling on both sides of the gum (inside cheek, palate, roof of mouth, etc.), horrific trigeminal neuralgia and other head/face neuralgias, fevers -horrific tooth pain -- just was very ill.
All the dental professionals I saw said they didn't see a thing wrong with the teeth that were hurting. Most of the dental professionals tried to put some neurological label on my (even though they were not medical doctors), saying that I needed to be treated by a neurologist for my symptoms.
I saw four different dentists, four endodontists, 4 oral surgeons and three physicians over this nonsense. All of the dental professionals told me I had to wait until some sign of infection showed up on dental xray. *eyeroll* All of those dental people refused to extract those teeth without proof on xray of infection.
I had CT scans, MRI's, dental x-rays, etc., etc.
Finally, last month, my dentist saw evidence of infection on the tooth. She sheepishly admitted that my teeth were, indeed, abscessed and sent me to an oral surgeon who is an MD.
When I showed up in his office, with all the swelling, the fever and being so ill, the pain, etc., he was horrified at what all the other dentists had ignored. And he told me that, given my overall condition of poor health, had I not been on antibiotics for the Lyme, etc., I probably would have developed septicemia from the tooth infection.
He had to put me under general anaesthesia (sp) and do a fairly detailed oral surgery and extract three teeth. We're still working on clearing up lingering infection there.
By the time I was able to find a dentist who believed me and acknowledged the obvious and visible symptoms on my face and inside my mouth, the infection had spread to the teeth next to the original problem tooth.
I'm not a candidate for root canals (and for my own case, I would not agree to have one anyway). So far, the surgeon has had to remove tooth numbers 3, 4 and 5. And we might not be done.
If I were you, considering your symptoms, I'd try to get evaluated to either rule in or rule out tooth abscess(es).
If you do a Google search for tooth abscess images you'll be able to see examples of what the sores might look like in these infections.
Sorry for being so long-winded. I'm still quite bitter about all this.
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- FuzzySlippers makes an excellent point so do be sure to get the best professional assessment of this. Maybe your LLMD can refer you to a LL dentist.
Some ENTs "do" mouth stuff, too, but best if they are LL as then they will have a deeper understanding of the complexities involved. An ENT is Ear, Nose, & Throat specialist (some also add Mouth).
A good ENT may be better than a regular dentist to get the the bottom if tissue issues. Also more likely to be covered by insurance if it's deemed a tissue problem rather than a tooth problem.
An oral cancer screening should probably be done, too. It's becoming more common and can be connected with certain strains of HPV. It's much easier to manage with early detection and the "brush test" is non-invasive (no biopsy patch is taken).
----------- I came back to note that Carol in PA has been very helpful to me in searching for mouth relief.
She also suggested the possibility Sota Lightworks (that's not in my budget, though I have heard others say it helps in various ways to relieve pain).
Some dentists can also use light treatments (not the kind for whitening or to set a new composite filling).
Another member here said that her dentist put some kind of light wand on oral ulcers and they totally cleared soon afterward.
Ear, Nose & Throat Defense contains S. salivarius K12 � a special strain of probiotic (healthy bacteria) that doesn�t work on digestion, the way other probiotics do.
Instead, it works in your mouth, helping to keep your oral bacteria healthy�which benefits your teeth, gums . . . .
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TerryK mentions CoQ10 here & Bea speaks to the importance of Folic Acid (and how some medicines greatly deplete that):
Now, I apologize for all the information. My mouth has caused me years of sheer anguish (even with good self-care and good diet).
So, perhaps these notes can save you time and anguish. There are many possibilities but, I find, that searching, learning and treating my mouth is just as time consuming - and important - as figuring out how to save my whole body. And the mouth is key to heart health, too. So, the sooner it can become healthier, the better.
I don't have access to medical or dental professionals who have a strong knowledge base so I've had to shoot in the dark. If you can find a professional, of course, that is best. Still, there is so much that we have to do for ourselves so I hope you find what works for you very quickly.
Good luck. -
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Wow! Thanks for all this awesome information! The sores are actually getting better. It started on Friday and today they are almost gone. I'm going to wait and see what happens.
Thanks everyone!
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I have had periodic mouth lesions. No idea why they would appear all of the sudden, wondered if my immune system is just so trashed they popped up, but really have no idea.
I used Licorice (Deglycyrrhizinated) DGL supplement pills. Depending on where the lesions is/are, it can be tricky to hold it onto it. But, I would hold the pill on the lesion with my tongue or whatever until it basically dissolved (they're really meant to be chewed). It burned like you know what, but within 1-2 days it would clear the lesion. I did it several times a day. It was recommended to me by a nutritionist; it seems to do the trick for me.
These mouth lesions have only popped up maybe 3 times in my 5-6 years of being sick. Good luck, glad they seem to be improving. TS
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