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Looking more closely at those links it tells you how deeply the different wavelengths penetrate the body. I have been using F frequency most of the time which is superficial, addressing only the acupuncture points.
There are MANY of these devices on the market. You even see them advertised on TV now. So how do you know which one is best or even what the difference is between them?
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quote:Originally posted by Brussels: I AM writing a book...
Good! I was asked to, but don't WANT to.
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Brussels, where do I get Dr. W nosodes? And/or where do I buy the other potencies? Thanks.
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Fuel - I think I would use some medical tape (the kind they use to tape up bandages) rather than duct tape.
1. (Frequency F, 73 Hz) For use when cellular activity is hypoactive, such as chronic recurring problems, nonunion fractures and chronic splints and for stimulation of osteoid. It is also helpful in activating humoral and endocrine functions. Field work has shown setting 1 helpful in stimulating (tonifying) acupuncture and trigger points and increasing circulation in areas being treated, such as wounds when past the acute stage.
2. (Frequency G, 147 Hz) For areas of yellow scar tissue that are generally formed internally on tendons, ligaments and sub-acute (lingering but not chronic) conditions. Field use has shown setting 2 to be helpful in reducing inflammation associated with injuries and infections. This is often called the �universal frequency� because most problems involve inflammation.
3. (Frequency A, 294 Hz.) For tissue of ectodermal origin, such as body openings, skin and nerve. Field applications include wounds, eye injuries and after surgery. Setting 3 tends to tone tissue while minimizing the chance of hemorrhaging fresh wounds or recent surgical sites. It is also good for the treatment of acupuncture and trigger points, corneal ulcers and ulcerated mucous membranes. This is called the �universal frequency� in acupuncture.
4. (Frequency B, 587 Hz.) For circulatory and lymphatic stimulation and treatment of tissue of endodermal origin, such as GI tract, liver and pancreas. In field applications, setting 4 has been used in conjunction with 5 and 2 for tendon, ligament, joint and other injuries where reaching secondary levels of tissue is needed.
5. (Frequency C, 1174 Hz.) For tissue of mesodermal origin, such as bone, joints, ligament, viscera and tendon. Field experience has shown setting 5 to be especially good for tendon and ligament injuries when used with 4 and 2. It also helps in relaxing large muscle groups.
6. (Frequency D, 2349 Hz.) For chronic conditions not responsive to setting 3 or 5. Field experience shows setting 6 to be a good supplement to 3 when healing processes appear to reach a plateau.
7. (Frequency E, 4698 Hz.) For pain control, primarily when C nerve fibers are transmitting to dorsal root ganglia and when involvement of neurotransmitters is of physiological importance. Field experience shows 7 to help suppress pain and to sedate acupuncture and trigger points and aid in diminishing excess calcification associated with chips, spurs and arthritic conditions.
The relevant settings for cavitation patients are:
� #2 for anti-inflammatory effects � #3 for nerve involvement � #4 to improve circulation � #5 to encourage new bone growth � #7 for pain (if applicable)
I'm not sure about the Rife & the Nogier frequencies. I believe the Bionic has slightly different frequencies. I'm not sure why they changed them or decided to use different frequencies than the Nogier ones. I think the PE-1 uses the Nogier frequencies but someone who has one would not better. I have the LightWorks.
The LightWorks company actually makes additional paddles with different colored LEDs you can get. The paddle comes off & you can change it. It normally comes with red (660 nm - I think) & infrared (I forgot the exact wavelength).
I posted wads of stuff about infrared light & healing a couple of years ago. You may want to check back in the archives here.
I'm having a problem with my gums & I'm using colloidal silver & the LightWorks on & off. This company makes a device specifically for dental applications. I think my gums are healing but it's too soon to tell. I have a densist appt in a week or so - I figured I'd try to heal them myself if possible.
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Sparkle's prices are better. I found it helpful that the jar be "wide mouthed" so that it's easier to get a few drops of blood from a man's finger.
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Larry sends a handbook with the PE1 explaining the frequencies. There is a chart with Nogier frequencies and corresponding PE1 frequencies. The PE1 has two more frequencies for two of the Nogier frequencies.
The way I understand this, it is like the same key played high or low on an instrument. A lower frequency is exciting whereas a higher one is calming (I could have this backwards).
There are 7 Nogier frequencies, A through F. There are 9 PE1 frequencies, A through I. A and H both correspond to the C Nogier frequency. C and I both correspond to the E Nogier frequency. There is a tenth setting on the PE1 which pulses all the frequencies, shifting every 7 seconds.
Larry's handbook says Nogier identified specific frequencies related to the musical note D which resonate with the body. I am a little confused if Nogier's frequencies actually relate to muscial notes - like F, C, D etc. but he identified the organs of the body that responded to those frequencies.
Here is a quote explaining light in another way: "These principles of light or energy medicine originated in the quantum physics of Einstein himself. He first introduced the concept of the LASER �light amplification by stimulated emission radiation�. He also stated that every living cell emits radiation called the �photon emission of living cells�, or what we commonly refer to as the aura. Albert Einstein, in 1917, proposed all living and nonliving matter represented dynamic electromagnetic fields, which exist in an electromagnetic environment � the universe! "
Larry handbook explains the wavelengths of light. Red light is visible up to 660 Nanometers (1nm being one billionth of a meter) and penetrates the tissue to a depth of 6-10 mm (0.23 to 0.39 inches). Invisible infrared light is over 760 nm and penetrates the tissue to a depth of 30-40 mm (40 is 1.57 inches).
All tissue responds to a particular wavelength. One of the reasons the LLLTs emits red light is so you know it is on because the infared light is invisable. Most LLLTs are between 800 and 900 nm.
Infrared light cannot harm you. No matter what medicines you are on or what allergies you have. You just don't want to stare directly into the light.
For us brain damaged neuro lymies another quote: "Neuroplasticity represents the brain�s ability to reorganize itself by forming new neural connections throughout life. Neuroplasticity provides a way for nerve cells (neurons) in the brain to respond and compensate for injury and disease and adjust neuronal activity in response to a new situation or to changes in the environment. LLLT provides one of the most powerful stimulants for Neuroplasticity known today and it provides that stimulation in a safe, therapeutically correct, organized manner."
From Larry's handbook, " The G frequency resonates with the most elaborate structures of the body, those of the cerebral cortex, , the typically human part of the brain, which gives man the capacity to think, create and imagine."
G Nogier corresponds to the PE1's E frequency. So you use this frequency to directly affect your brain. It is being used to treat Alzheimer's patients and has halted the progression with some reversal.
As for nosodes, I want to understand this by thinking about the Solar Plexus, where the nosodes are placed. The solar plexis chakra is located one or two inches above the navel and is the center of power and will. It is where your "center" is located.
If you have ever taken tae kwon do then you know this is where your power comes from. In riding horses you must also use this area of the body for balance and to be connected to the horse. A profession singer uses the solar plexus energy to project the voice. Correct breathing is deep into the solar plexus.
So if you are correctly using the nosodes (which I have not been doing) then I believe you would focus on your power and centeredness coming from the solar plexus. The nosodes tell you body what you want it to direct it's energy to.
My mistake is just tapping something there and not actually being focused on it using my core strength. If you were sparring in tae kwon do it would be like making a loud yell (kihap) without focus, power or control. Worthless if your opponent connects! As your opponent has the intent to kill you (as does lyme) better gather all of your power and will to survive.
So I will try to use the energy which I have been avoiding in my healing process.
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quote:Originally posted by dan67: Brussels, where do I get Dr. W nosodes? And/or where do I buy the other potencies? Thanks.
I'd like to know this as well. Can we get Dr. W nosodes in the US? I think most people who haven't been to Germany are using nosodes from Deseret Bio, right?
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Interesting... I guess you can also use the chi power for healing, too. Which ever visualization floats your boat...
The other thing is that I was living in a place where the sun was really strong & it was sunny alot. I used to just go & sit outside. What's the difference between using the infrared LEDs or sitting outside in the sun?
In theory, this would help the brain with alzheimers or you could tape the remedies to your solar plexus & go sit outside...
The sun has all the wavelengths.
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I posted a couple of sites that explain the difference. It is more concentrated in the machine. It is like saying if we stand in the sun, we should be able to take an x-ray of ourselves.
No matter what I do - mediate and focus - or just read a book - I do not experience any big leaps with nosodes that I am aware of. For me the machine works by stimulating production of endorphins which stimulate my immune system, increase blood flow, calm and promote healing. I feel the endorphin rush almost immediately and continue to feel calm all day long.
I do not see any reason not to use it traditionally daily, unless you have some individual sensitivity. Larry does recommend starting cautiously just to be sure. In all of the information he sent about using it for various problems, it was used a lot.
For instance for Alzheimers it had four lights on the brain at once and was used 20 minutes 2-3 times a day every day for months. I am using it at least an hour a day on full strength. Larry said his girlfriend uses two machines at once on her back.
According to Larry the PE1 is more powerful and has more frequencies than the Bionic so I don't think you would want to invest five times as much money in the Bionic.
You have to go to Germany to get the Bionic because it cannot be shipped here. You can't ship it back to get it fixed if it breaks down either.
If you search the internet you will see there is A LOT of Low Level Laser Therapy devices out there. They are even being offered on TV now for $80. Some of them of course are worthless and do not even have infrared light but you can buy a $20 pointer from WalMart to trigger acupuncture points. You don't have to be rich to try this. It just won't be as powerful and penetrate the tissue as deeply.
If nosodes do work, then you could trap the next tick that bites you in a vial and use it - or your own blood, tears, spit or urine. It would all have traces of the pathogens. Bart likes the bladder so urine might be very good for a bart nosode. As my finger pricking did not result in much blood, I am going to try urine.
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I did alot of this research 2-3 years ago about the Bionic vs. PE-1 & LightWorks, etc. I posted lots of info here during that time. I agree that infrared light has it's uses & it's been proven. The LightWorks is a pretty good product & it's about $300. You can get plenty of good results with it.
I heard a story about someone who was going to have to have their foot amputated due to diabetic sores & they were able to heal it with a red pointer from Staples & some colloidal silver... Yes, it works & there are plenty of scientific papers to prove it. Why more people don't know about this is anyone's guess.
It's just that exact dosages for particular illnesses are a bit vague at the moment. Lasers are different than LEDs. Intensities of light are difficult to calculate between the various products. The PE-1 is about the same intensity as the Bionic but it has different frequencies. We don't know why this is or how the Bionic's effects may be different due to this.
Look into Dr. Fritz Popp's research. There's also alot of research from the former USSR, too. After living in a place where the sun was stronger than in the northern lattitudes - I think you can get healing that way, too.
For females - we can use menstrual blood as a nosode. There are certain benefits from that since menstrual blood contains a special form of stem cell.
Experience from looking into this & following it over the years proves that it is unpredictable. There have been cases of people who posted here who ended up in emergency rooms from self-treating with infrared light. I'm not joking or exaggerating. Even with devices that are 1/10th the power of the PE-1.
There are alot of factors involved in using infrared light for healing. It's just that it's an unknown. Some people have great results & others end up quite ill.
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Has anyone used the Bionic on a dog? I have an 11 year old dog that is getting arthritis.
Any ideas on what Hz,%, amt. of time etc to use on a pet? He weighs about 50 lbs if that matters.
Thanks.
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quote:Originally posted by linky123: Has anyone used the Bionic on a dog? I have an 11 year old dog that is getting arthritis.
Any ideas on what Hz,%, amt. of time etc to use on a pet? He weighs about 50 lbs if that matters.
Thanks.
We used it on a parakeet with liver disease. The parakeet lived three years after diagnosis. The vet assistant was amazed she was still alive when I went back to get more milk thistle. The silly bird LOVED the Bionic. Usually we only gave her 20 seconds at 11.77, but sometimes it was clear she wanted more, so we'd give her a second round.
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I started using it on my dog but I have only done it a few times because I am not sure what is causing his stiffness. When the arthritis is bone on bone it is not good to use LLLT and can actually make things worse. It is good to suppress inflammation.
THe PE1 is listed as a LLLT device. Low level laser is not the same thing as laser because the light is diffused so it does not cut or harm. Other names used are LED light therapy, Near Infrared or Photon Therapy.
It has been used for years in veterinarian medicine especially on race horses who injure themselves on the tract with torn ligaments etc.
Larry told me a person used it with great success on his horses after having such great luck with his own body pain, and the horses responded well. As for knowing how much to deliver, I was told animals will get up and walk away when they have had enough.
There are specific frequencies used to address pain, bone, ligaments, scaring etc. You just chose one, point and shoot. It is very simple. I was using the A frequency on my husband as well as the dog. I used it on the dog for 15 minutes the first time at full strength and then 30 minutes. He was fine with it.
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Here is a quote for a study done on rats:
We tested LLLT on rats that had zymosan injected into their knee joints to induce inflammatory arthritis. We compared illumination regimens consisting of a high and low fluence (3 and 30 J/cm(2)), delivered at high and low irradiance (5 and 50 mW/cm(2)) using 810-nm laser light daily for 5 days, with the positive control of conventional corticosteroid (dexamethasone) therapy.
RESULTS: Illumination with 810-nm laser was highly effective (almost as good as dexamethasone) at reducing swelling and a longer illumination time (10 or 100 minutes compared to 1 minute) was more important in determining effectiveness than either the total fluence delivered or the irradiance. LLLT induced reduction of joint swelling correlated with reduction in the inflammatory marker serum prostaglandin E2 (PGE2).
CONCLUSION: LLLT with 810-nm laser is highly effective in treating inflammatory arthritis in this model. Longer illumination times were more effective than short times regardless of total fluence or irradiance. These data will be of value in designing clinical trials of LLLT for various arthritides.
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I don't really want to hijack this thread, but the topic is now spreading towards my past photon light therapies, so I'll now chime in.
I started experimenting with cold laser photon treatment with an alternative holistic chiropractor about a year ago. He has an Erchonia PL 5000 laser device he purchased for chiropractic healing purposes. His machine is in the $15k range,and has FDA approval for a variety of medical treatments. The unit outputs in the 600-nm range only. But fequencies are fully programmable. Check out the Erchonia web site for more details.
He later learned from another Dr that it could be used for Lyme treatment, and then treated several patients. He told me that the treament would not cure Lyme and I still needed ABX, but he would help me detox and improve my immune system to help fight the disease. I also get muscle testing, spinal adjustments, and ionic footbaths with the treatments.
I started in Feb 2010 with weekly treatments for six months, then backed off to every other week, and now I go every 3rd week for maintenance (and affordability). Each treatment session was 45 minutes to an hour.
He has a booklet that lists Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary Lyme frequencies. We started treating at each frequency one by one while muscle testing for my reponses over the first 3 or so months.
After his 15 minutes or so laser/muscle testing I went in another room for the footbath, where I received additonal laser treatment at frequencies specified for one or two of the following treatments:
Meridian Balance (sort of like elect accupunture) Immune Support Detox Lymphatic drainage Pain management
I am still in treatment with my LLMD, and about to start IV Rocephin within a few weeks. So far this year we have hit at Babs with Mepron/Zith while rotating Omnicef, Suprax and Augmentin to hit at Lyme; then moving on to Bart using Rif/Zith/Doxy.
The Chiro I see does not claim to be a Lyme specialist and he probably doesn't want to be. But I do think he has helped me a great deal with overall detox and spinal adjustments for good meridian and lymphatic flow.
I have considered getting a PE1 or a rife, but will wait until after a few months of IV before deciding next steps.
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GMB, thanks for your sharing of experience. You used laser, cold laser, which is different than infrared.
Dr. K. also uses that type of treatment to send information about the 'medicines' to the body. He would sweep the laser light that passes through the vials to the body of a person and that would trasmit the info from the medicine to the person.
It is primarily used for detox, and balancing the body. It is though different than infrared therapy, proposed by dr. W.
I used both for quite some time, that is why I stress here the difference. I have both devices at home, and even if the principle looks the same, the effect is different.
Me too, I would not believe borrelia can be treated by laser, and only laser therapy. Maybe for some people, but it wouldn't work for me, almost for sure. The message conveyed by the laser is not enough to inform my body. I still had to take many of the stuff I used through laser through INGESTION after, as the effect was weak.
The effect of the LASER is strong, but not the message coming from the medicine. At least, that has been my experience. And my naturopath who follows dr. K also said, 'ingest this and that, it is better than lasering'.
Not that this is not useful at all. It is, but possibly to be used more on detox and balancing, than for killing.
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Sparkle and the sun!
I love the sunlight too. I do think it is powerful for many things, just being in the sun and looking outside and letting sunlight in my eyes feel great.
PhotonWave was a device created to heal. Only based on sunlight frequencies, and it heals even cancer, so definitively, there's a lot we can take from the sunlight.
But the problem I see is that sunlight kills the homeopathic information. You can't let your body be bathed on sunlight and the homeopathic products too. Possibly, you have to cover the local of the solar plexus with the nosodes to do that. But I wonder, if the nosodes in darkness will work, as we know that in darker glass vials, it works less...
If someone is wishing to do that, I am all ears!
But as you said, lightworks costs not that much, and it does seem to be as effective as the PE1, for what we keep reading here. It is just weaker, so it would worth to keep trying with it...
Just my opinion!
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Dr. W's nosodes: come from Stauphen Pharma, it is where I bought mine. But you can buy them anywhere that sells homeopathic products. Why not Desbio?
You know, in homeopathy it works basically with similars curing similars (basic principle in homeopathy).
It is better to have something similar than something EXACT, in homeopathic thinking....
Many homeopaths don^t like the idea of treating illness with isopathic nosodes (same curing the same principle), as you don't treat really the cause of disease.
So whatever similar nosode you find that is similar to your borrelia, is fine, I suppose? The process of fabrication of the remedies though has to be good, following a real homeopathic method.
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Nefferdun ,thanks for the links and info!!
As for the solar plexus thing, I do think one thing: chakras. Chakras are like opening to the body. A bit like acupuncture points, but in a more intense way.
It is known in chinese medicine that the acu points are the 'weakest' parts where you have access to the meridians (that is why you put needles, fire, rub, tap etc). Like a little door to reach the meridian, that is like a river of energy runing in your body, a bit like blood runs, but in pure energy.
Such meridians can be VISUALLY seen (in Pubmed publications) as they emit infrared light, specially when you treat a point with heat, the whole meridian will get the energy and you see it drawn in the screen, like magic.
What the chinese knew for about 4,000 years and they still use today, now the Wests are using machines to confirm the existance of such meridians. For them to see the relation between such existance and possible cures will be another 4,000 years, I suppose...
Well, know that there is an important concept in Chinese medicine, that a meridan can get sick because of TOO MUCH energy or TOO LITTLE energy.
Add fire to the meridian that has too much energy, you will probably get sicker and sicker. Add fire to the meridian with little energy, you get better.
Needles are not simply put inside and point. There are special ways of using needles, to give, take, balance the acupunture points.
As far as I know, I use A frequency to stimulate points, similar to using fire (moxibustion). I don't know how to use my infrared ON acupoints to TAKE energy off.
Possibly, but I don't know. Possibly another frequency can do that, but I don't know.
Same as with laser, at least the laser I bought with dr. K's institute. Green laser. It only GIVES energy to the meridian, never takes energy off.
By own experience, my stomach got pains that could be easily controled by acupuncture treatment. But if I used fire on certain points, the pain would get unbearable. On other points, the pain would go to next to zero or even, to zero.
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Neff, do the 10 nosodes again, do NOT use BLOOD NOW. I wouldn't.
I wonder how you didn't yet collapse with all these treatments. I mean, only Nogier looks fine, but not with nosodes, one after the other.
Maybe because you are on killers and other chemical treatments (they seem to render the treatment with homeopathy ineficient).
One thing that some people do not understand, is that too much is bad, as well as too little. For treatment, you got to know your right -middle point.
For herbs, this is clear, Buhner writes about that: you need herbs in good amount and in good combinations for them to work. You get the right herbs in good combinations, and take too little: it doesn't work as well.
You take too much (this is MY OPINION), you also mess with everything.
Take too much andrographis, you can get to ER like I did. You take too much Japanese knotweed, you get the worst reaction ever you can imagine in your brain (I did, and I was on the MINIMUM amounts by Buhner recommendation).
Too much eleuthero, I wonder what would happen. See what happened to people taking too much cats claw. Herxes are unbearable, in the end you go BACKWARDS, not forwards. And so on.
with homeopathy, it is the PRINCIPLE itself of functioning: minimum amounts of the SICKNESS inside the remedies give the right information for your body to heal. It has to be minimal, or it is not homeopathy and it won't work.
Give too much (like using higher potencies first of a nosode), it will work only partially. Or it will be totally inefective.
Many aspects of lyme treatment is like that: too much won't win the race. Too fast, certainly won't. Too strong treatment, not necessarily will take you to the end.
Finding the RIGHT DOSE of homeopathics, avoiding too many killers, keeping your body clean as much as possible, and go on your BODY pace, not on your BRAIN WISHES, I think wins the race. ----------
Nefferdun, having said that, as you don't know which dilution your nosodes are: I would tape them again, all 10, and do again. But cut on killers or I feel you can have no reaction at all... At least, that is what dr. W. thinks after his hundreds of patients of experience...
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Maybe one way to understand the problem of overtreating and how it can render homeopathy totally unuseful is as follows:
- chemical treatments (antibiotics, or anything that is blocking a symptom to appear), is blocking the disease to appear. It is not treating the disease, just blocking it. Like anti histaminics block histamine, for example. Antibiotics try to kill the bad critters.
- homeopathic treatments will do something different. It will never block your body to react with something, it will give your body the SAME disease, in lower dilution.
If you have runny nose, you take a remedy made from onion (because it causes you runny nose too) and that diluted onion somehow makes your body understand that it is producing runny nose and it can stop producing the liquids, by killing the cold virus or finishing with the 'disease'. It is called Allium Cepa in homeopathy, just another name for onion...
It does work, I used this hundreds of times for many years, but ONLY when the runny nose is very liquid, the same way that an onion makes your nose run (liquid). If it is less liquid, more like a tooth paste, it won't work. You need another homeopathic remedy.
Well, all that to explain that, the PRINCIPLE of chemicals is going against the way homeopathic remedies work on your body.
If you take killers that block disease to appear, how can homeopathy work TOGETHER if it wants to UNBLOCK the problem?
it makes perfect sense to me that taking killers kill the ability of nosodes to kill. Or cause a confusion in the body, like one treatment cancels the other.
Same thing with hormones: you take a hormone in homeopathic dilution. It is just informing your body about the problem with such hormone. It is your body that will decide what to do.
Well, add an ingested hormone (even not synthetic, could be even a natural hormone) TOGETHER with the homeoapthic hormone, your body will not take the homeopathic treatment as it does not know what to do anymore.
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17hens, do you really use the 5-Dram size?? I got my vials there as well but I have the 2-Dram size vials and they seem way to large to fit ten vials on my solar plexus at once. Because of this I've only been using 3 vials at a time.
Does anyone have a picture of vials taped to solar plexus?
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I don't know what size I got, I just found that link in my favorites so maybe I got that size. There's no sizing on the bag so I'm not sure. The jar is about 3/4 the size of my thumb.
And I use them to make blood nosodes so I only have one jar taped to my solar plexus. It's not been a problem but certainly wouldn't work for 10 at a time.
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Brussels,
Thanks for clerifying the differences with cold laser and Infarred. These are all new technologies being experimentally applied to our complex diseases.
I do like the PE1 technology of using a wider variety of light spectrum from visible 600-nm range thru 810-nm IR.
Maybe after a few months of IV I can free up some funds to purchase the PE1.
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17hens, thank you, thank you! The ones I have are about the size of my index finger... sounds like yours are better. Maybe I'll put smaller ones on my Christmas list. lol.
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gmb, the PE1 has 140 LEDs
112 near infared (invisable) 56 are 940 nm 36 are 880 nm 20 are 875 nm
28 are red visable LEds 20 are 655 nm 8 are 680 nm
Brussels, I will try the ten nosodes again today. I am just too much of a woose to get the blood out of me any way.
I noticed the swelling I have had on my lower leg above the ankle is reducing. This I associate with bartonella and it has never gone down. My husband said it is nearly normal.
I have concentrated the light there up to half an hour a day, with and without nosodes. Hours later I often feel a different kind of pain right below it. The bart pain is burning and aching but this pain is just a little discomfort. Hurts awhile and then is gone.
The other place I concentrate on for bart is my bladder and it does not have sensitivity any more. My bart was dormant for over a year when babesia came out full force.
When the babesia went down and the bart began to flare again, I felt it in my shins (especially that swollen spot), my bladder and my irritation/depersonalization. I have not had any of that since getting the light.
Before I ordered the PE1 I was taking Bactrim for a couple of days now and then to knock it back down. I have taken nothing at all for bart or Bb for a month.
I am taking babesia drugs. I started another round of coartem today. I have only been taking two malarone with no other drugs to support it but I was getting air hunger back.
I spent over $18,000 out of pocket on babesia treatment during the past year. It is a miserable disease -I completely lost my sense of self and the desire or ability to do anything. Babesia Duncani is so resistant that I won't stop addressing it with drugs until the symptoms are gone. I can't risk it.
The infections I am addressing with nosodes are pretty much gone. I have not had borellia flares for two years. I do get twinges in one finger and a thumb and a knee now and then which I know is Bb lurking. The PE1 brought out the finger and thumb pain which is probably where some of it has been buried.
I feel happier, worry less, think more positively and am doing more. I am working on art projects for the first time in two years. I believe this is the result of increased endorphins.
I have my art projects set up in the attic and I could not make it up there with the babesia. I am getting up two flights of stairs with a break in between.
I hope I keep improving. Astrologically this is a good time for me to recover but in a few months I need to be careful. If I crash, it will be a big one.
I have an appointment with a naturopathic doctor next week which I have thought about canceling but decided to keep just to see what she says. I am thinking about doing some IV detox like alpha lipoic acid or glutathione. She also does IV hydrogen peroxide and I wonder if that would get rid of the babesia.
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I have done IV peroxide and it seems to me to hit Bart pretty good, but only short term. I'm not sure though. It really really helps my foot and ankle pain. So I think that might be Bart, right? Or maybe it's just reducing the inflammation overall which makes my feet feel better.
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Neff, that is possibly why you don't collapse with the nosodes for borrelia, because your borrelia was already sort of dormant?
Congratulations for your art projects. For me, it was hitting babesia that brought the most visible change in energy and initiative. It was really like going up a step in my health.
Later, it was when the whole of lyme disease left my body. That was a great step up, the end of the ladder, I hope. I felt a big burden was off, and my heart was open to music and taste like it hadn't been for the last 4 years.
Really like someone opened a curtain from the theater and I could see things that I thought were never there. I hope your disease will slowly go away for good. I understand your babesia fears, as it was the worst disease ever for me too.
Anyway, if your lyme is really dormant, then why not attacking babesia? That is what people do after ending the borrelia treatment!
Good luck! --------- Just a note on how to treat burnt skin: I just poured BOILING water on my left hand now. It was still boiling, literally. The pain was very big, I put my hands under cold water for 1-2 minutes. Still burning and painful.
I used program D, at potency 6, for about 10 minutes. I am writing here now, I swear there is NO PAIN. I used a cream of arnica on the spot, but I would be needing some pain killer at this moment, had I not have my PE1.
It is not even red. It is a bit painful to the touch, and still a bit hot. Let's see tomorrow. The pain fell from scale 8 (out of 10) to 1 in such a short time of treatment!!!
I believe I will still feel something tomorrow as it was real boiling water that I poured there... I'll let you guys know.
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Brussels, can you tell us again how you got rid of Babesia?
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So sorry about your hand! Another thing that helps burns is honey. Maybe do the D with honey on your hand.
I have had stabbing pain in one knee which is Bb I believe. It comes and goes - very strange. I had hints of it prior to using the PE1 but it is coming out more now.
I have not had babesia drugs for two days and am doing ok. I have a bit of air hunger but my stamina is better. I am getting up two flights of stairs without needing to stop and rest.
I took 1.5 mg of LDN this morning to see if it would help the pains in my joints if it is arthritic. I never worried about arthritis before.
I would like to know how you got rid of babesia too. I put the PE1 on G which is for the heart and blood and run it right over my heart.
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I think I will pull this up for those interested.
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As for my burned hand, I had just a small red point today in the morning. I used a homeopathic product (ointment) just to try to relieve the last of the pain...
It is now only a bit pink, and pain next to zero. I still washed dishes with hot water without gloves, no pain there.
I hope tomorrow will be good. I swear by infrared! Can't live without it!!
thanks for the tip on honey, next time I will think about it!!
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Neff, do you think the pain is a herx? Or that it is part of the peeling the onion, once your immune system gets better, it starts cleaning stuff one after the other?
Previous to photon treatment, I had that ballet of infections in front of me, I get rid of one, another shows up, different symptoms. The peelign the onion lasted very long for me, while I was only using herbs and INGESTED homeopathy.
I hope this is the case and that the pains diminish soon!
Great to know your energy levels are improving! Congrats!
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Thanks for finding that link and sharing it with us. What a detailed thread! You are amazing to be able to do all that, really!
I'm glad you got rid of the Babesia but I wish there was a simpler way for us to follow.
And I'm glad your hand is better too!
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I don't know too much about babesia but I did find a study that claimed that noni was effective for a form of babesia. I don't know if the tincture is better than the juice. May be worth trying...?
I spilled a pot of boiling water on my foot about a year ago - ouch... I couldn't put my shoe on for at least 10 days. Good for you, Brussels!
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I don't think the pain is a herx or a healing crisis because it began two months before I got the PE1. It has just gotten much worse. The full moon is also approaching which is when I always got Bb flares.
I believe it is cysts activating. Most of the time I feel nothing but then suddenly there is searing pain that cannot be ignored. It can wake me up in the middle of the night and feels like I have been stabbed. I also have it in the joint of a finger and one thumb. It is always exactly the same spots.
I have not been on any drugs that could suppress Bb since July when I had to quit zithro because of an allergy. I am surprised I went this long without it coming out again.
I had IGENEX tests done six weeks ago but the GP has not bothered to get the results. He moved his office and will not call IGENEX to give them the new fax number. I had a CD57 test and if I had those results i would have known a long time ago I was not in the clear.
I feel I need to take something to stop this from putting me in another hole. I also need to see a better doctor but that means traveling 1000 miles.
I don't believe the nosodes are effective enough for me to keep these diseases from taking over again. I also restarted LDN and I am taking transfer factor and vitamin D to boost my immune system. It doesn't seem to be enough.
I was hoping bart and borellia were suppressed enough that the PE1 could keep them in remission but that does not seem to be the case.
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Has anyone purchased a PE1, gave it a dedicated effort and had no results. Still contemplating the expenditure.
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Neff, full moon flare could also be parasites according to dr. K...
it looks awful, the way you describe.
I guess it feels like you are in the phase where you need higher dilutions of borrelia nosodes (the ones in the K or C dilutions). Just a guess though... It is the phase where many people taking abx see no more improvement, as they need more than simply killing.
The higher dilutions of borrelia can help there, if it is BORRELIA that is causing your disease. If it is bart or other stuff, these need to be addressed.
That is why I use energetic tests. Or I would be totally lost. Energetic tests can help in so many ways, it is really like having a torch in your hands while you walk in a deep forest in the moonless night. You can't see everything with your torch, but it is pretty much a big help!!
I do jogging in the night in the countryside, in the woods, by the river, up on the hills, almost no city lights, and that is what I use my torch for!
Cysts can go dormant with photon therapy, in my opinion. No other treatment will do what photons do, if used correctly on higher dilutions, following the order.
You need about one year, according to Buhner, of treatment after your Bb goes dormant, for cysts to stop coming to life again. For abx, they say about 4-6 months, if my memory is good. But even though, people keep relapsing.
Photon therapy is the ONLY treatment that made my relapses stop coming, and so for my daughter. I always ended up relapsing, like you.
When you take higher potencies of the remedy, it just informs your body about borrelia, and your body will know what to do when cysts come.
But the information of these high dilutions is somehow 'mild' (it is extremely highly diluted, purely ENERGETIC).
And I believe your body has to be well (functioning, clean, no drugs /little drugs as possible, no excessive electrosmog, good food, no big issue with parasitism, heavy metals, cavitations etc).
The cleaner you are, the more homeopathic remedies work BECAUSE ultimately, it uses your own BODY energy to heal. Photons will boost the info of the homeopathy, but it can't do miracles.
But if you take killers and other chemical stuff, and is imerged in electrosmog, I wonder if your body still know how to read the highly diluted pure-energetic homeopathic information...
I re-read part of my notes on photon treatment I did to my daughter, and amazingly, when I tested lyme /bart /staph killers for my daughter, they tested strongly negative.
I wished so badly to give her these herbs I knew so well. They tested as though HARMING her, after photons. Just a day before, she was EATING those herbs in great quantity and they always tested good.
Adding too many things (like any killer and chemicals) will probably render the photon treatment inneficient or even harmful (? in her case, it was testing as so).
Or being bathed on electrosmog won't bring any good outcomes... There may be other factors still, but only if I test you I can say what!!! Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
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17hens, just take a few notes on the herbs I use and try for yourself. they are usually unexpensive and easy to find in Chinese or Rainforest herbal shops.
Today I would try crypto too, but at that time I fought my second babesia infection, not many people had tried crypto, so I didn't use it.
I would also try something called USNEA BARBATA. I just fell into it later (a ticnture from Sanum), and it caused me one of the worst herxes I ever experimented. Not immediately, but it built slowly... It does kill candida too, but I suspect this kills more than candida.
Really strong stuff, but I don't know if it addresses babesia. I need to fall sick again with it to test it!!
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Sparkle, yes I used noni too.
I used dr. K's noni, and it did make my first babesia infection STOP relapsing.
I could put babesia into low profile quite 'fast', with a combination of herbs, but the problem was that a week later, or weeks later, I would fall sick again with it.
Noni tincture did help me stop my first babesia infeciton. It wasn't though a solo treatment for my second babesia infection. What did the final trick was cardamon.
I do think a good herb is artemisia annua, in WHOLE form, better than artemisinin (that I can't tolerate too long and in such high dosages). I find artemisia annua in decoction, taken for long time even helps you Bb, and considerably helps there too.
It is not a solo treatment either, but a mild and must herb for babesia, in my opinion (and Buhner's, he's a fan of it and believes on it after having read hundreds, or thousands of posts concerning his protocol).
---------- I read at that time that people taking ANY Noni tincture had good results. It didn't have to be dr. K's tincture. I took dr. K's. He also thinks this works for Bb cysts!! It also tested for me like getting Bb cysts before I tried on photon therapy. -------
The noni juice never did anything to me. And on top, it tastes horrible! The tincture is nothing like the juice, much nicer taste!!!
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Jcarlhelp, I sent you a PM.
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I know what I am going to say is out there to many but this thread is out there even for me so I might as well take it a step further.
As I sit here with the PE1 on my knee. the moon is approaching a complete eclipse. I just found out last night that the astrological position of this eclipse happens to be exactly conjunct my natal Uranus, not just to the degree but almost the exact second. Most of you have no idea what I am talking about.
Borellia always flared with full moons for me. A lunar eclipse is very powerful and in the past wherever there was one, I had a complete melt down of symptoms. Borellia has been dormant for two year until very recently when my knee and two fingers began to hurt off and on. Sometimes I feel like I am being stabbed. So I have concentrated the PE1 on these joints.
Uranaus represents sudden change, good or bad. It can indicate attractions, new adventures, brilliant ideas and innovative approaches. It also rules electronics, electricity and new things in general. In stressful aspects it can bring infections, accidents, sudden departures and outbursts of temper.
A lot is going on astrologically for me, not just this eclipse which I just became aware of. There is too much to explain but it is a very good time for me to benefit from new technology and I have another progression to help my health.
Although it is ongoing for months, it is highly concentrated during the next couple of weeks. Unfortunately in a few months I will be in a very stressful place again with the possibility of the infection taking over again. I hope that does not happen.
RIght now, this minute, it is as though I am bathing in a cosmic sauna of healing energy. I am not using nosodes. I did not even think about them until just now. I am using the PE1 on the places I have felt the infections were buried such as the knee, lower leg, blood, bladder and brain.
In addition to LLLT light therapy I am using transfer factor, rapid response, alkaline water, vitamin D3, a special (expensive) blend of juices etc -- all to boost my immune system.
I am also using drugs - low dose naltrexone, malarone and tindamax. I will add in more.
I feel close to well. I can climb two flights of stairs without resting. My brain function is better. I have no pain - right now.
There is a time for sickness and a time to be healed. I hope this is my time for healing. When I look at my progressions I see everything that happened.
I even knew when I was sick that something was hiding. I did not know what until I was diagnosed and began drugs. There was a progression for that too.
I believe there is a lot that is beyond our control. We are sometimes just riding out a storm the best we can. We can't always benefit from what has worked for someone else. Sometimes we just get better because it is our time - or theirs.
This by the way is spiritually based.
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