LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » IMPORTANT NEED DIET HELP

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: IMPORTANT NEED DIET HELP
TTLav
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 33232

Icon 1 posted      Profile for TTLav     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
MY LLMD DR.C IN CT WANTS ME TO START THE MCDOUGAL DIET WHICH WAS RECOMENDED BY DR.F IN ARIZONA.

THIS DIET BREAKS THE BIOFILM IT IS BASICALLY A VEGAN DIET: NO ANIMAL PRODUCTS,STARCHY VEGGIES AND ALL OTHER VEGGIES, FRUIT.

PROTEIN FROM- TOFU, SEEDS AND NUTS AND TAKE VITAMIN B12.

I NEED ADVICE -- THIS IS AGAINST MOST OF DR B
DIET RECOMMENDATIONS.

PLEASE HELP AND THANK YOU

Posts: 109 | From Western Massachusetts | Registered: Aug 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Haley
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 22008

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Haley     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I know that there are different opinions on this diet. I have done the diet for a few months. I felt better at first, but lost way too much weight and then began to feel that my body was lacking something.

My feeling is that this diet could be pulsed just like medication. It's a great feeling to not have your arteries clogged up with fat for a while even if this was not considered treatment for Lyme by Dr. F.

If you get Netflix watch - "Forks over Knives" this is a very informative film about what happens when you take in too much fat.

Posts: 2232 | From USA | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Keebler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
-
HEMP is also a good protein source.

PORTOBELLA MUSHROOMS, too, have a nice protein content.

What about fish? Wild Salmon or Sardines?

Get connected with local groups that offer vegan cooking classes.
-

Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Keebler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
-
Keep this in mind:

http://icmr.nic.in/ijmr/2006/august/0804.pdf

THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTIONS

Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148

- by Anura V. Kurpad

Fifteen pages of text.

Excerpt from abstract on page one:

. . . In general, the amount of extra protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . .

---------------------

[note: see what author states about lysine supplementation appearing to help immune function. And L-Lysine can offset Arginine, as I recall]
-

Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Lymetoo
Moderator
Member # 743

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Lymetoo     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So you would eat starches and fruit?

good luck with that

--------------------
--Lymetutu--
Opinions, not medical advice!

Posts: 96222 | From Texas | Registered: Feb 2001  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
nefferdun
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 20157

Icon 1 posted      Profile for nefferdun     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I started the low fat vegan diet about 3 weeks ago. You cannot have nuts and seeds because they are high in fat and arginine. Arginine is high in meats too so lean meat is not ok. Low fat yogurt is low in arginine and high in lysine so this cheat might be ok now and then.

The diet is restrictive and can be hard to get adjusted to but it is worth it. I cheat a little now and then but overall I stick with it. I am really liking some of the things I have learned to make. I believe when you get the bug into remission, you can be a little less restrictive but you should stay vegan with lower fat. Maybe add in some nuts and seeds then.

Today was one of my better days after a horrible night herxing.

You won't lose a ton of weight because you can eat as much as you want. I have lost 8 pounds but I was 15 pounds overweight.
Dr. B's diet recommendations were written a long time ago. Things change.

When Dr. B's diet was written, he did not know about the lipid and arginine requirements of the FL1953 bug. He was mainly concerned about yeast overgrowth on abx. I do not have any trouble with yeast as long as I avoid sugar. I can eat some fruit.

Dr. F believes bread should be avoided not because of the gluten but the arginine. I eat wheat in small amounts. I eat a lot of beans, lentils, rice (black, wild, brown) and quinoa. I can even eat some corn.

If you believe the FL1953 bug exists, then you have to pay attention to the person who discovered it and has done ALL the research on it. Either you believe him or you don't. He says this diet is a must for complete remission.

--------------------
old joke: idiopathic means the patient is pathological and the the doctor is an idiot

Posts: 4676 | From western Montana | Registered: Apr 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
WheelWatcher
Member
Member # 34223

Icon 1 posted      Profile for WheelWatcher     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Unfortunately everyone has different nutritional issues, different genetic predispositions, and different ways in which their bodies have "adjusted" to chronic infection...

There is no one "right" way to cure all of us, and im certain that dietary needs are as varied as other treatment needs from person to person.

Pretty much I guess we pick something out to try... If it helps, hooray! If it doesnt help.... Back to the drawing board!

Right now we are trying a low carb/sugar, "healthy fats" ok, protein= good diet with no processed foods or non-organic produce... Or trying to move in that direction.

Since we are making treatment progress, i think it is working for us. When things start to plateau, we will look into different diets possibly.

Hubby already has trouble keeping on weight eating a more "normal" diet, not sure we are going to decrease fat intake anytime soon.

--------------------
IgM ++41, IND 31, 34, 39, 83-93
IgG IND 41

"To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world." - unknown

Posts: 72 | From NC | Registered: Sep 2011  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.