Topic: Party is over! Ivermectin is making unwelcome guests leave (visibly)!
Tammy N.
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I just started meds a few days ago, and am already "seeing" results. So bazaar and weird.... but empowering that I have something (meds) to battle against these little bastards. I am going to win this one. Posts: 2238 | From East Coast | Registered: Jul 2010
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Tammy....did you have any particular symptoms that you can attribute to the parasites?
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Tammy,
That's GREAT!! When you're not on Ivermectin, taking some cloves would help kill the eggs.
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Tammy N.
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Annelet - it's so hard to say with this disease what symptom is attributed to what infection. My symptoms seemed more Bart than anything, but again, who's to say? I'm hoping symptoms will leave... as the bugs do.
Gael - I've got a few more meds lined up after the Ivermectin. Then, for sure, I will go to herbs and cloves, long term. I am not messing around. I plan to stay on top of this nasty infection. Your posts convinced me long ago about the need to treat for parasites. MANY thanks for all the advice you're giving along the way.
BTW - when you say cloves, do you mean regular cloves from the spice aisle at the supermarket? How many do you take and how often?
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I think anyone who has lingering symptoms should do the anti-parasite protocol. It's well worth it. I don't know how pwoplw attribute the symptoms to a particular thing. It doesn't make sense. The testing is not accurate. We don't know for sure what is what...
I think it's important to do a general, long term detox if you have on-going health problems. All these viruses, parasites, toxins, mold, yeast, pathogens, etc. are inter-related.
As GiGi posted-
human>parasite>yeast>metals>bacteria>viruses...
probably other toxins, too.
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are you doing the ivermectin at the same time as the abx
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Tammy N.
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No abx. My docs feel that my gut needs a lot of repair in order for me to get well.
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What brand of horse ivermectin.
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Tammy N.
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I did not get the horse version. Mine was compounded at the pharmacy.
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Tammy, you say that most of your symptoms you had thought were bart....can you elaborate? and did you ever treat for bart? I have treated bart forever and bart meds seem to irritate whatever I have but not kill it......I have the Fry protozoa and my doc uses Ivermectin and biofilm busters for that so am wondering if it is that.
Would love to hear more about YOUR symptoms. I can't believe this is *still* bart although symptoms seem classic...lots of neuro and vascular involvement, but oddly no GI problems which is classic bart.
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I take Hanna Kroeger Cloves and get them from vitacost. Hulda clark has amounts. Google hulda Clark parasite table.
So glad you are going after the parasites and having success. Abx are just not enough for those chronically ill. Keep us posted.
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Tammy N.
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CD57 - Yes, I did treat for Bart years ago with several months of Rifampin. I don't think I ever got symptom free. Last summer things got very active again after a tiny cat scratch. Wasn't sure if it was coincidence or what.
Anyway, my worst symptoms are buzzing, tingling, numbness, hot searing nerve pain, etc. (tends to be more left-sided) Also, jaw pain. My veins have been looking odd too (huge at some times, and in new places, like low in my abdomen, near my groin.)
Never thought I had gut issues.... could eat anything I wanted without a problem. Recently though, I started getting odd reactions. I've become more sensitive to sulphur, and other foods too.... things I could normally tolerate with seemingly no problem. Recently went to a good ART practitioner and he said my gut was way out of whack. He picked up on a lot of different pathogens. He then said "you are probably reacting to a lot of different foods when you eat". I was surprised by his knowing this. Anyway, he put me on a few supps and homeopathic remedies. Immediately, I started to get a lot of sounds and reactions from my gut. And sweated several nights in a row (something I RARELY ever do as I'm constantly dehydrated.) Also was getting odd rashes popping out briefly here and there, certain it was coming from what my gut was releasing (if this makes any sense??) Things are definitely shifting. He also has me avoiding raw foods and grains. Said it would be too rough on my gut right now. He suggested a lot of soups, stews, etc. I've been trying to stick with this, but I have to keep rice in the mix. I am too thin. Lost too much weight and can't risk losing more.
I am very excited to be seeing results from the parasite treatment. Hard to believe what I am seeing. Crazy! I can't say it strongly enough.... I think EVERYONE on this board should DEFINITELY treat for parasites. What is the downside? We all have parasites. And those who are the sickest have the most. The sooner we treat, the sooner we can get better.
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glm1111
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Tammy,
DITTO.....DITTO.....DITTO....DITTO To EVERYONE on this board should treat for parasites!!! Thanks for the voice, and I am so happy you are getting rid of these creatures!
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Tammy N.
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Gael, you have had a huge influence on me. Only wish I would have understand and acted sooner. Many thanks for your constant encouragement, and your consistent posts.
I hope you don't tire of posting. Everyone needs to hear your message.
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Tammy N.
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Oh... wanted to mention.... I remember reading somewhere (?) that parasites don't like sulphur! So I'm hoping (and praying) that once I knock the infection down, I can begin again to tolerate sulphur. I don't know why, but I have a feeling this will work out for me.
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DF Tammy, oh goody, you joined the bug club!! So glad to hear you're having visitors - flush 'em good!
We've already got our dear parasite queen! What I want to know is...are you the next parasite princess?
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Tammy N.
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Oh yes, I'm preparing to polish my tiara as we speak! Will never dethrone the Queen, but I will happily accept a Princess title. (Long Live the Queen!!!)
Regarding treatment -- I haven't been this excited in as long as I can remember. And it's so strange being excited to go to the bathroom. It's bazaarly satisfying to see these bugs expelled. Very empowering.
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What exactly are you seeing? and is Invermectin an abx or what is it?
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Can we treat for parasites while on antibiotics? I'm starting three new meds next week but have a parasite cleanse here too. Would that be too much at once?
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Tammy N.
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Thanks nonna and Garden.
jackie - I am seeing thin worms with heads, gross, I know. It's not a maybe as to what I'm seeing, it's obvious. Very strange. I believe they are filarial worms?? according to what glm1111 has posted in the past. Ivermectin is not an antibiotic, it is an anti-parasitic medicine.
jlf - I've heard of a lot of people treating parasites while on antibiotics. But I wouldn't attempt it without the guidance of a good, knowledgeable doctor.
Somehow, you have to find a doctor who is onboard and make treating parasites a TOP priority, imo.
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glm1111
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Tammy,
You can have the title of P Queen anytime you want it. PLEASE continue to get the message out, you are being such a HUGE help on this issue. PLEASE KEEP POSTING ABOUT IT!
For the life of me, I can't understand why these doctors don't know this, especially when Burgdorfer found Filarial worms in the ticks he dissected.
BTW, others here have taken antiparasitic herbs while on abx with no problem. Just space out the herbs and meds.
For those that haven't seen this www.lymephotos.com Not everyone has this infection, but if you are chronically ill, chances are you have other parasites, including roundworms, pin worms, hookworms etc.
Gael
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Right on Tammy!!!
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Hey guys just wanted to add a bit to this discussion, glm and Tammy you are both so right about parasites.
I started huma worm 2 days ago as my llmd instructed and this morning I couldn't believe my eyes but there was a longish stringy thing in the toilet . ( gorse I know)
I was eating celery a few days ago but doubt it was a string from that as it was too long.
I can't believe it. This parisite cleanse seems to be working.
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Maya,
That's GREAT! Just keep going and don't stop even after 30 days. You can alternate with Parastroy or even Hanna kroeger Wormwood Combo. Extra cloves is important as well. Keep us posted!
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Tammy N.
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I will keep posting. This is just TOO important not to.
My local LLMD is in total favor of treating for parasites, but just hasn't been sure at how to go about it. She is so happy I've found someone that can steer me, and she will oversee me.
Maya - That's great! Keep at it. Isn't it amazing to see results so quickly? Was the same with me. Says a lot about why we've been feeling so sick for so long. Stay on top of your detox. As these critters die, they throw off all of their toxins.
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I have asked my LLNP about parasite treatment and she said that it is risky and many have ended up in the hospital from the tx. She trained under Burrascano, but has not been practicing for that long. Just wondering if anyone else has heard this...
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Uh, What's the alternative to not treating parasites??? Letting them continue to lay eggs and larva and invade the organs brain and CNS?
Sorry, but she doesn't sound too efficient or professional to me. If you have a serious infection of any kind, you can get sicker trying to eradicate it....case in point....Lyme.
I would find another practioner who does ART testing to see if you have parasites.
Gael
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I meant no disrespect. I'm just trying to take all of this information in. It is so much to digest with all the angles of treating Lyme.
glm and manybites, are you both doing well now? That is amazing if it was the parasites that prevented you from getting well and that was the final step that made all the difference.
My LLNP was sick for over a decade with lyme and when treated by Dr. B, was eventually cured. She then trained with him. It isn't that she doesn't believe that parasites can be a problem, it is that she wants to cover all other bases first because of the high risks with parasite treatment.
I guess those risks are no different than the risks with chelating heavy metals. This illness is a nightmare!
She is really pushing me to do IV ABX next. Perhaps I should try to find a naturopath before taking that plunge. I will post for one and see if there is anyone within driving distance...
I'm happy for you both if you are doing so well after killing those parasites. It is an awful thought that they could be in my body. Most of us don't want to believe that. Lyme truly sucks.
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Tammy N.
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dbpei - no disrespect was expressed, so no worries. I do agree with Gael and manybites though, that parasites must be treated. And I think, whenever possible, it is best to have a knowledgeable practitioner to guide you. Ramping up slowly should make it manageable (same with Lyme treatment).
I'm really coming to the realization that I think parasites are perhaps the main underlying cause keeping us sick and from beating Lyme. This is just my opinion, but I am feeling more and more certain as I go forward.
Manybites - thanks for your suggestions on keeping the organs unclogged. I haven't read up on Hulda Clark yet (can you believe it?!?) I will run this by my doc.
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Tammy N.Is the ivermectin causing any herx reactions for you?
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Tammy N.
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No herx for me, just feeling better.
I felt God-awful just before beginning. Feel so much better. I'd say a solid 30-35% improvement. And much much better energy. That in itself is a gift.
I will not leave this path anytime soon. I KNOW it is the right one for me... at long last. I am going to be well.
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That is awesome Tammy. I plan on trying ivermectin one of these days too.
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I've been on a low dose of Ivermectin now for a few weeks for the Fry Protozoa. I've taken Ivermectin now for a while, and Zymex II a few months ago, and both have the same effect on me.
I've never had anything in the toilet. What does that mean? Do you always see something, or could it be that I just have the fry protozoa/parasite, and no other parasites?
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Why is it considered so dangerous to treat parasites, what is dangerous about it?
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Tammy N.
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baileypup - maybe you are not on a high enough dose?? When doing meds, I think it's good to be on therapuetic doses. Just a thought.
Look at Gael.... she was on anti-parasitic herbs for 6 months and didn't see anything until she started adding the salt/c, then they came pouring out of her.
Maya - I don't think it's dangerous... or maybe I should say...any more dangerous than anything else. I think it is just so important to deal with this infection. To me, any possible risks far outweigh the possible benefits.
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Tammy, what dose of Ivermectin are you on? I already have to detox and bind at 1/2 3mg.
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What has been interesting for me:
I did Humaworm last summer, my last LLMD had me do 7 days Albenza, on 7th day add 1 time dose of Ivermectin, did that 2x.
But it has been the Tindamax I've been on this past 6 weeks, building 14 days on/ 14 day off and I am seeing parasites. Saw them also one time when I took some Ketoconazole for yeast (before Lyme treatment.)
Just started my daughter on Paragone for kids.
I am totally with the crowd of Lyme & co. = Parasites.
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Tammy N.
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baileypup - I am taking 12mg caps 4 times per day. Before Iver I was on Biltricide for 2 days, then after Iver I will be on 2 weeks Albenza, then 2 weeks Alinia (unless doc changes/enhances protocol as we move along. I am seeing my doc for ART testing every 2 weeks). I'm not exactly sure what all the different meds do, but I think switching the ammunition along the way is a good thing (these meds are based on Dr. K's protocols).
After meds, I plan to do anti-parasitic herbs with salt/c LONG TERM (like Gael).
surprise - that is interesting. Seeing the parasites tells you you have an infestation. I would go at them in earnest, full throttle. For me, I'd see this as priority #1.
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Tammy - wonderful you are seeing progress!
I have one week leftover of the Albendazole and Ivermection protocol, am going to start Monday, just finishing up my Tindamax 'on' cycle today.
The full moon is next Saturday, and that will be my whammy last day with the Ivermection.
I am also doing glutathione suppositories, this produces 'interesting' results too, shall we say.
I have a separate bottle of clove caps, haven't tried them yet, isn't the full moon time period when they lay eggs? Nasty.
LLMD appt. on Tuesday, see what the feedback is there.
Daughter on day 2 of Parastroy for kids, hyper and crazy :-/
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Tammy, how are you able to handle that large dose of Ivermectin? I've heard of many others taking much larger doses then me. What are your side effects? Are you having to detox and bind, and are you having any GI problems?
My llmd wanted to put me on the Schwartz protocol, which may be similar to what you're on. I don't think I could handle it.
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Surprise - good luck with your next round. What brand of glutathione suppositories? What effects are you having?
baileypup - I'm not having any problem with the dose. Just feeling better. Having a little light sensitivity, but that's basically nothing to me. Having no GI issues with it either. I've been taking microsilica at night, and most days I've been doing coffee enemas. I think that is helping a lot. The whites of my eyes have been whiter than they have in years.
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Tammy N. It's an interesting comment you made about the eyes. I noticed after a month on Ivermectin my daughter's eyes looked as bright as they did before she got sick. It was a very hopeful sign.
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Tammy - do I understand correctly?! You are taking 48 mg a day of Ivermectin - Wow, for how ling did you take that dosage?
This stuff kicks my butt. I handled most abx well, but this stuff is different.
Do you work? Were you able to work on that dosage?
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Tammy N.
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Haley - yes, you calculated correctly. It is starting to catch up with me. I am wiped wiped. I'm only on it for 2 weeks. Also taking Pyrantel at night. Then I switch to Albenza, I think... then something else, then Alinia?? Have to check my notes. I may need a break in between to build myself up a little. Killing bugs is hard tiring work.
I don't know how, but yes I am working.... 3 days per week. Having trouble keeping up with everything so I am taking as much off my plate as I can.
I can't believe what is coming out of me. Hard to wrap my head around.
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Quote"I can't believe what is coming out of me. Hard to warp my head around".
Tammy,
I know exactly what you mean. When I had a ton of parasites pour out of me, including the ones pictured at www.lymephotos.com I just kept saying "No wonder I have been so sick"
I really think a lot of people that are chronically ill, are sick mostly because of G.I. parasites.
They keep all of the other co-infections in check. That is why I keep posting about this over and over again. I really don't feel spirochetes are the main problem at all.
Gael
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