sparkle7
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Thanks! I was looking into this about a year ago. I'll read the article very soon.
i believe they were pouring boron on Fukishima to absorb the radiation. So it may help in that capacity, too.
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Sparkle, don't wait too long. Borax is disappearing from stores or has mostly disappeared.
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I just googled food sources of boron and raisins are one of the highest sources. Glad to read that since I eat a lot of raisins. Thanks for posting GiGi.
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Interesting. Spounds like it acts against biofilms too, and candida and some other infections.
Anyone have a list of foods or other things that contain boron?
I guess it is still available in Thailand and other countries.
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"Fruits and vegetables are the main dietary sources of boron. However, the concentration of boron in plants depends on adequate concentrations of boron in the soil.
6 Other good dietary sources of boron are legumes, pulses, and nuts. A vegetarian diet is thought to be higher in boron than the typical American diet. 3"
Boron in foods: "almonds, walnuts, avocados, broccoli, potatoes, pears, prunes, honey, oranges, onions, chick peas, carrots, beans, bananas, red grapes, red apples and raisins."
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As I was seeing Dr. K. yesterday, he came back from lunch with a box of Borax from one of the local stores (I think Target). He recommended that I take 1/8th teaspoon in small amount of water each day.
I am reacting very strongly to all Smart Meter output that was quietly installed by power company without them telling us. I also think that it was instrumental in my husband's rapid deterioration and death.
Read the stuff and please listen to the EMR talk by Dr. K. which I posted earlier. Awareness is our best weapon.
Take care.
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Are the boron supplements just as effective?
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"..He wrote that commonly people can get rid of their pain, swelling and stiffness in about 1 to 3 months. Then they can reduce treatment from 3 to 1 boron tablet (each 3 mg) per day as a maintenance dose so that they can avoid any future arthritis.
He also stated that patients with rheumatoid arthritis commonly experienced a Herxheimer reaction and that this is always a good prognostic sign. They must persevere and in another 2 or 3 weeks the pain, swelling and stiffness will be gone. (4,5)"..
..."Being such an excellent fungicide it is not surprising that borax is being successfully used to treat Candida.
There is much interesting information on an Earth Clinic forum called Borax Cures (10). With low to medium-weight people use 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder and with heavier weight 1/4 teaspoon per litre of water. One drinks the water spaced out during the day, and does this for 4 or 5 days a week as long as required.
Many contributors wrote that it cured or greatly helped them. So for instance this post: "I also have psoriasis, so maybe the soreness in my joints is the psoriatic arthritis creeping in.
I thought, after reading about borax here on this forum, I would give it a try. OMG! In one day, the soreness in my knees has vanished! .... Also, my psoriasis seems a lot better after 2 days drinking 1/4 tsp borax in 1 litre of water per day."
Another one about toe fungus: "He wet his feet and then took a handful (of borax) and rubbed it all over his feet. He said it stopped itching immediately! He was stunned. A few weeks later I asked him how his athletes foot was and he said: oh wow! it hasn't come back! that stuff totally cured it !!!"...."
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Just had my first 1/8 teaspoon in water. It actually tasted quite refreshing!
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Thanks GiGi - I got the capsule form of boron & I've been taking it on & off as per dowsing since the Fukishima event.
I still didn't get to the article yet (I will look at it later & also the interview about DumbMeters...). Here's some further info, though -
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Seems like excellent stuff to my wife and I. I take a couple supplements that have boron in them, but don't feel the effect is the same. Borax seems much more potent.
I couldn't find anything on the web about it now illegal to buy in the U.S. My local grocery store had 3 boxes left, which does give the impression that they have no plans to restock it. Any references regarding it's impending lack of availability? Just seems so crazy, as I guess so much is going crazy these days with our government and large corporations.
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I bought the last box on shelf at Walmart yesterday. Shelf tag wasn't a discontinue tag, so looks like the word it out. When I try it I will start slowly.
1/8 tsp to liter of good water. I'll try that over a two day instead of one. If there's a warning of herx reaction, my past tells me to go slower.
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Got a box of 20 Mule Team Borax at Target. Only ingredient is sodium tetraborate. And it says on the box not to ingest.
So is this the Boron ingrediant that will possibly help with all the issues mention in the articles/posts?
I see the 1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon amounts depending on weight.
All the Best, MattH
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Is this found in the cleaning supplies?
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When we went through the mold protocol last year,
I told our mold inspector that at one time I had a moldy front loader washing machine (which I had replaced)
He mentioned getting the Borax (at Target, in clothes detergent aisle)
and re-washing our clothes in it.
But I'm sorry, I wouldn't drink it. Just me.
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- I would NEVER want to consume something not processed for internal use - you just don't know what else is in that box. Could be stuff added to make it not stick together - or to help the processing line run more smoothly.
There are surely food-safe options. Don't buy stuff intended to go into the washing machine - unless you have inside information that it contains no additives and the box lining is also safe.
[Maybe Dr. K has that inside information about the box he bought but individual Target stores may spray chemicals around boxes to keep bugs away.]
Other ingredients are not required to be listed, as it's not a food.
We have no way of knowing if there are rat poisonings or bug repellents used in the plant storage or processing areas. There could also be chemicals in the box lining.
The article looks very good at first view - and I'll be back to read more - and also scout out other options if one wants this in a safe powdered form.
A few posts above (Razzle & Gael) speak to the wisdom of obtaining Boron in our diet. Additional information can be found with a web search for:
Boron in Foods -
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MattH - Yes, that is what the article is being discussed
RZR - Where I shop it is in the laundry detergent section, right next to the fancy brand name stuff. It's common use is in laundry, so that's where you should expect to find it.
Keebler - That was my initial thought as I read the article, that it is not processed for internal use. The reality is, in the case, I do not think there quite will be other options for the same chemical. It is illegal to sell it as a foodstuff, and it's unrealistic the FDA would approve it as a drug during our lifetime ... unless we have several billion people dying and the revolution and all that ...
In the past, I have turned down many non-vegan items with practitioners telling me I needed such-and-such to get well, only to find later how their information on the topic and on what was causing my health situation was incomplete, and there were always other fine options (often better options). So, I do agree, in the general sense, whatever the borax might do for someone, there are always other options to get where you want to go, even if they do not involve boron.
Given the amount I have taken, pendulum approved, just today, even though I have been taking other supplements with boron in it, I will say, for some, do not expect boron supplements produced for consumption to have the same effect.
It is items like these where I feel very fortunate to have the pendulum to give the sanity check on consuming the items. I do agree care should be taken for something sold for laundry. For all I know, maybe there is rat poison in it, and that is what gives it a useful property for me. That's not so far off from all the antiparasite and antiprotozoal and antibiotics I've taken.
I remember a similar discussion on GSE, whether it was a poison used in extracting it that made it useful.
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- Perhaps a Boron homeopathic dose will do?
Carol in PA sent me this detail regarding mouth ulcers I fight:
Borax, given the E number E285, is used as a food additive in some countries, but is banned in the US. As a consequence, certain foods, such as caviar, produced for sale in the US contain higher levels of salt to assist preservation.
Its use as a cooking ingredient is to add a firm rubbery texture to the food, or as a preservative. In oriental cooking it is mostly used for its texturing properties.
In Asia, Borax was found to have been added to some Chinese foods like hand-pulled noodles lamian and some rice noodles like Shahe fen, Kway Teow, and Chee Cheong Fun recipes.
BON APPETIT !!!
All the Best, MattH
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quote:Originally posted by Keebler: - Perhaps a Boron homeopathic dose will do?
Carol in PA sent me this detail regarding mouth ulcers I fight:
Interesting idea!
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Boron is in The Core too.
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After looking this over - I think I'm going to switch to the borax after I use up the boron caps I have.
I don't have any problems with using it. We don't really know what's in anything for sure. Peanut butter could have rat hair or droppings, supplements have additives, food crops could be watered with sewage water... we don't really know. I saw lunchmeat in Walmart that had bacteriophages in it. Did I buy it? - no f--king way.
Companies that manufacture things use big vats of stuff like baking soda in toothpaste, etc. Who knows how clean it is - really. For all the incredable things that borax can do for the body - there's reason to think why it may have been "demonized" by certain authority figures.
I could totally see it being made "unfit for human consumption"... Yet, I found one website that claims it's in HPV vaccines. Go figure that.
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The other thing that crossed my mind is just imagine all the stuff they put in our tap water...
Fluoride is a toxic chemicaal from what I have studied. Borax is supposed to remove it from the body. Could it be worse than what is in tap water? I doubt it but I don't really know. I guess I'll have to try it to know for sure.
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I didn't mean to sound sarcastic when I said I wouldn't drink it, just me.
That's how I type/communicate a lot- short.
Lord knows I'm in no place to judge.
Thanks.
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I think I agree with Keebler and Surprise. I would not use Borax from the store internally, although I don't discount the positives of boron.
A lot of laundry detergent may have scents added to them--those can be extremely dangerous--even the ones labelled unscented may have added chemicals.
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These are great links, Gigi (I missed the second one before). It's fascinating to me that gluten sensitivity and candida overgrowth inhibit mineral absorption. It explains a lot of my issues.
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- My first concern was added chemicals in the factory itself that could get into the powder. Bug killers and the like.
But it's not just about the product but the machinery it runs through and on - any lubricants to the machine, etc.
But as Catgirl brings to mind - the machinery that run the Borax also runs all kinds of other things and maybe not just laundry soaps. Could be household or industrial powders of any kind.
Some companies share machinery so the products that run though any one machine could be many. Cross contamination is likely. Not just about the other products but their other additives, too. These are not normally listed.
Just as those who are gluten-free cannot consume foods run on machines that process wheat, barley, rye or spelt, we'd have to know what else runs on the machine where OUR borax would have been.
How this is made, does it soak in vinyl and bake to dry, etc. We'd ask the same things about our food and reject foods for the same reasons.
"Natural Flavors" are piped through plastic pipes, soaked in vinyl pans in heat. [Aside from the fact that most are really chemicals and not "natural" at all] I reject any vinyl-soaked-baked items in my diet.
I consider the lining of a can or box of food - and also usually reject foods surrounded by plastic due to the leaching of endocrine disrupting chemicals.
It's just good to have all the answers from start to finish about anything that we consume.
Boron is in many supplements, in food grade quality. There also may be other foods safe avenues for it alone. But it's also right there for us in food, in balance.
We ask these same questions with all supplements and foods. If any borax company can satisfactorily answer all the questions, great.
Some naturopathic doctors carry Boron, too, just not sure in what combination with other nutrients. -
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34 Products with Boron. Some seem to be just "boron" itself. -
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Pharmacy told me boric acid had been removed from the market due to some nasty problem it caused. Don't know what that was. They don't carry it anymore.
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Thanks Keebler!
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I am not ingesting cleaning supplies.
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Boron may not have the same properties as borax. Borax is a naturally occuring mineral salt that boron is derived from. Look for 100% borax with no additives. It's available on the internet.
There is alot of information on the internet about it, as well. I guess it's relative about what people want to consume or not. I think there are alot worse things commonly sold as food every day. It just is sold in a different package & in a different section of the supermarket, comes out of our faucets, or is in the air we breathe.
I guess no one asked us if we wanted to drink fluoride or breathe jet fuel every day.
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