"...one important observation on sugar -- per the book -- 'Consuming 90 grams of honey or fruit sugar (or fruit juice) or regular sucrose will cause a drop by up to 50 percent in white blood cell activity for between one and five hours.'"
Sugar does not sound like a great way to treat chronic illness, now does it?
But 90g of sugar is a massive amount. It's more than 2 cokes, more than 20 tsp. People don't commonly ingest that much sugar without fat and/or protein to slow down absorption as well.
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"...one important observation on sugar -- per the book -- 'Consuming 90 grams of honey or fruit sugar (or fruit juice) or regular sucrose will cause a drop by up to 50 percent in white blood cell activity for between one and five hours.'"
Sugar does not sound like a great way to treat chronic illness, now does it?
But 90g of sugar is a massive amount. It's more than 2 cokes, more than 20 tsp. People don't commonly ingest that much sugar without fat and/or protein to slow down absorption as well.
Sounds like your boy eats twice that amount per day!
�That depends on your size, metabolic rate, and activity, and the other nutrients, but I sometimes have more than that (400 grams of carbohydrate), including the sugar in milk and orange juice (and I'm about your size, and very sedentary). The fructose component of ordinary sugar (sucrose) helps to increase the metabolic rate. I think a person of average size should have at least 180 grams per day, maybe an average of about 250 grams.� --http://www.dannyroddy.com/main/2011/12/29/ray-peats-brain-building-a-foundation-for-better-understandi.html
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And 90g of sugar does not sound unusual for Mr. Peat.
Do the math, if he has 400g of carbs a day, 180-250 coming from sucrose, this would mean he eats at least 60g on average per meal. Sounds like it would be very probable for him to get at least one meal a day with about 90g of sucrose.
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I'm just going to say that the reaction to sugar depends a lot on context. I used to have bad reactions to sugar in the beginning too, but it's really gone now.
I bet he would eat protein with the sugar though. Taking fat with the sugar (say ice cream) slows down absorption quite a bit. Also, reaction to sugar depends on PUFA to some extent.
So it's really hard to draw many conclusions from a one-time administration of 90g of sugar.
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Low cortisol lowers the immune system, causing it to be susceptible to illness.
Also, high stress levels lowers the immune system , causing it to be susceptible to illness.
A poor diet lowers the immune system causing it to be susceptible to illness. (Both eating too much and eating too little. Also, eating the wrong types of foods all affect immune system function).
Lots of things cause the immune system function to be lowered, causing it to be susceptible to illness.
With Lyme, we have to address everything, not just one thing and expect to get well.
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lax mom, yes you have to address everything, but the thyroid/metabolism seems to be often neglected. It will improve everything overall including toxins.
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quote: Results: Neutrophil phagocytosis was similar between sucrose- and honey-fed rats, and lower in rats fed the sugar-free diet (79.2%, 74.7% and 51.7 %, respectively). The percentage of leukocytes that were lymphocytes differed significantly between all three treatments, the levels being highest in honey-fed rats (53% vs 40.1% and 29.5% for sucrose- and sugar-free fed rats). In conclusion: Honey may have a beneficial effect on immune activity, possibly attenuating the decline seen in older age.
Not nearly as clear cut as you may think. Eating sugar may actually boost your immune system.
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It's been a few years and I'm wondering how you are doing or anyone with Lyme you know following RayPeat/ Matt stone? I googled Lyme and Ray Peat and came across your posting here. I have Lyme, among other things. I'm trying to learn about RP, quite difficult as there is no official protocol. How are you doing these days??? - Wendy (NatureGirl)
quote:Originally posted by emla999/Lyme: I would like to know if anyone here on Lymenet is following or has incorporated some of Dr. Ray Peat's or Matt Stone's suggestions into their chronic Lyme Disease treatment protocol?? If so, has following their advice helped you in anyway?
As for me personally, I have seen tremendous improvement in my health as a result of incorporating some of Dr. Peat's and Matt Stone's suggestions into my chronic Lyme/coinfection/toxic mold protocol. Actually, my current protocol is based primarily on their research. And I also know of a few more people with chronic Lyme Disease that have also saw improvements in their health when they started to incorporate some of Dr. Peat's and Matt's suggestions.
So, is anyone here follwing Dr. Peat and Matt Stone's protocols/suggestions??
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It's again been a while since this post was made, but I wanted to go ahead and post/share my experience as following Ray Peats work and adopting a thyroid/metabolically supportive diet is what put my partners chronic lyme disease into permanent remission. I was his caregiver for several years, and we spent years searching for solutions. We did so many treatments, from herbal protocols to rife machines to spending time at intensive healing/treatments centers, to juice feasting, coffee enemas and following extreme elimination diets... with no help from any of these things. We saw western, doctors, eastern doctors, naturopaths and ayurvedic doctors - none of their treatments touched his symptoms.
It wasn't until being introduced to the work of Ray Peat, and being guided through the process of changing his diet according to these principles, that he started to experience relief. Where nothing else could touch his pain, fatigue, insomnia, brain fog, and digestive issues, within 3 weeks he was feeling better than he had in years and years. We were honestly very skeptic at first and mindblown when he started experiencing relief - but we were in a place where we had tried so many things and had nothing left to lose. Following these principles, he experienced a full recovery and is healthy and functional to this day.
While my partner had it MUCH worse than I ever did, I've also tested positive for lyme antibodies and experience no symptoms, as I also follow a Ray peat style approach to diet & lifestyle.
I'm a 100% believer in the metabolically supportive principles Peat suggests and happy to share my experience with anyone interested - I just hope that more people find this approach and find it sooner than we did - it could save so many people so much pain. I definitely am not suggesting that this is the only path to recovery for everyone, or be-all-end-all approach, but do believe that incorporating these principles would at least support, help, and bolster the energy, metabolism, immune system, and vitality of anyone looking to heal.
quote:Originally posted by NatureGirl44: Hi Emla!
It's been a few years and I'm wondering how you are doing or anyone with Lyme you know following RayPeat/ Matt stone? I googled Lyme and Ray Peat and came across your posting here. I have Lyme, among other things. I'm trying to learn about RP, quite difficult as there is no official protocol. How are you doing these days??? - Wendy (NatureGirl)
quote:Originally posted by emla999/Lyme: I would like to know if anyone here on Lymenet is following or has incorporated some of Dr. Ray Peat's or Matt Stone's suggestions into their chronic Lyme Disease treatment protocol?? If so, has following their advice helped you in anyway?
As for me personally, I have seen tremendous improvement in my health as a result of incorporating some of Dr. Peat's and Matt Stone's suggestions into my chronic Lyme/coinfection/toxic mold protocol. Actually, my current protocol is based primarily on their research. And I also know of a few more people with chronic Lyme Disease that have also saw improvements in their health when they started to incorporate some of Dr. Peat's and Matt's suggestions.
So, is anyone here follwing Dr. Peat and Matt Stone's protocols/suggestions??
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Jadebadger, so have you a written down ray peat guide/protocol ? Would be a great help
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