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Bitten in Bergen - I have taken tons of Diflucan here and there and now I have gotten to the point I have more die off from not eating sugar, and with eating the sauerkraut, than I do with Diflucan.
Be careful with the Diflucan and pay attention to your liver. If you have extreme fatigue with Diflucan it could indicate acute liver failure.
If I take Diflucan, I take a liquid Milk Thistle tincture to support my liver at the same time.
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Ellen, it was the peas (sugar/starch).
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Just looked at my allergy list, allergic to peas, I should have checked before hand..
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Thanks for the list girl. I have been drinking almond milk and I see it is on the list for containing gluten... I'm really confused as I'm looking at the book what to eat with what....for lunch I took some quinoa and rolled it in nori I, I'm still hungry....dinner everyone elseis having corned beef and cabbage, hmmmm guess that's a big no-no Breakfast will be tough. I usually just have Audi's gluten free waffle, but now I'm not sure all the ingredients meet the criteria..I can't have eggs due to allergies.
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girl.. Do you have a link for how to make sauerkraut?
I haven't the foggiest.
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Peas are high in starch (feeds yeast).
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Ellen, I think that list of hidden sources of gluten is "possible" hidden sources, so I can't say for sure whether your almond milk has it. I will tell you though that a lot of almond milks have carrageenan as an ingredient and this can mess people's stomach up. I don't know the specifics on HOW, but I remember hearing about that, so it would be good if your almond milk doesn't have that - and if it does, you might want to read up on it? since you sound real sensitive.
In the BED book, Donna says to soak and peel almonds first as they're easier to digest this way, by removing that outer layer, it has some type of acid or something in the peeling.
Same goes for quinoa. I'm assuming you're soaking it first and then rinsing it really well before you cook it, right?
I know one person that is so sensitive that can't handle quinoa. Glad I'm not one of those people! as far as I know.
For breakfast, you can always do veggies, or a salad. Not the traditional breakfast, I know, but now that I've cut out wheat I get hungrier a lot later.
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The quinoa I buy says it is pre washed, no rinsing needed....the almond milk does have carrageenan...
I must be super sensitive....very discouraging...
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I would still soak and rinse that quinoa, Ellen. ((if your quinoa was truly soaked, seems like it would have sprouted)) Even 15 minutes of soaking will do, then rinse it well. Don't get too discouraged, you can come back from this.
I don't want to you to get discouraged when you get the BED book because the BED diet is *really* hard to do full on, 100%. It is meant to bring people back from really bad cases of life threatening Candida. That fungus is so stubborn, it can wrap itself around the spinal cord.
But my point is there are 3 stages to the diet with one being the hardest so you can sort of justify how strict you need to be depending on where you are.
The good thing about it is that we can do something about it and just because we are allergic to a certain food now, does not mean we will always be! She goes into this in the book as well...
I hear that almond milk is super easy to make yourself, if you get to a place you want to do that. The way I look at this is one step at a time. The first thing for me was cutting out wheat and gluten.
Once I had that under my belt, I cut out sugar and when I had a sugar craving, it was no big deal at all and I was able to resist the temptation very easily, for the fact I'd cut out wheat first. Then I worked on dairy (CHEESE my fav, but now it grosses me out)...
On the other hand, when I tried to cut out sugar before I was GF it was horrible. The withdrawals were WAY worse and I was fighting the temptation badly all the time and it was just HARD.
The first thing the BED book is going to tell you though is to cut out all forms of sugar, but before you start the BED diet full on, I would try to have sauerkraut and things like that she suggests in the book, to have that on hand or whatever food you might need -because that is going to help you the most is having that food available. (If you decide to do the diet.)
Sorry, I know I'm rambling. Just trying to think of what might help!
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Dang .. I've been drinking coconut milk and it has carrageenan. I just bought two qts of it the other day! I've been putting it in my smoothies.
Does her book have a sauerkraut recipe?
PS .. I found her video but it wasn't very good. Can't really follow that.
Version 1 3 heads green cabbage, shredded in a food processor 1 bunch kale, chopped by hand (optional): 2 cups wakame ocean vegetables (measured after soaking), drained, spine removed, and chopped 1 Tbsp. dill weed
Verison 2 3 heads green cabbage, shredded in a food processor 6 carrots, large, shredded in a food processor 3 inch piece ginger, peeled and chopped 6 cloves garlic, peeled and chopped
To Make Cultured Vegetables 1. Combine all ingredients in a large bowl
2. Remove several cups of this mixture and put into a blender.
3. Add enough filter3ed water to make a "brine" the consistency of a thick juice. Blend well and then add brine back into the first mixture. Stir well.
4. Pack mixture down into a glass or stainless steel container. Use your fist, a wooden dowel, or a potato masher to pack veggies tightly.
5. Fill container almost full, but leave about 2 inches of room at the top for veggies to expand.
6. Roll up several cabbage leaves into a tight "log" and place them on top to fill the remaining 2 inch space. Clamp jar closed.
7. Let veggies sit at about a 70 degree room temperature for at least three days. A week is even better. Refrigerate to slow down fermentation. Enjoy!
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Did you ever discover what was causing your fatigue? Is it definitely yeast?
Hi Terv - the original fatigue (and brain fog) was definitely from yeast. The more recent fatigue (while on diflucan) was from going off the abx. Also had bart symptoms emerge, too.
Back on minocycline and fatigue is not as bad. Until I can get rifampin added in from my llmd tomorrow, I started banderol, since I've read that it is part of Cowden's bart protocol.
Cool thing is that I've already started to herx (yes - I'm actually HAPPY about that )
So now I've got herxing plus mild fatigue (in all fairness, I was in overdrive this weekend, and I still am amazed that I was able to be so productive for a change. Yay!
But it's definitely a process of discovery and trial and error, since so many things can cause the same symptoms and it's hard to tease everything apart unless you try different things...Yikes!
Interestingly, the banderol gave me great anxiety and insomnia last night, but when I woke up this morning (even though I was tired), I had a very positive outlook. And that isn't usually me! It has continued throughout the day today.
Plus, it seems my constant hunger has abated as well! Banderol again? Hope so! Go figure!
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Ironically, I looked at this thread cuz of babs and Malarone withdrawal. I began my Lyme journey w/Candida. In 'Feb. '12 (after Valentine's Day!) I noticed my head/eyes drooping during conversation. Never one to be fatigued unless sick, I knew something was very wrong. I also had a strange stench in my nose that only I could smell.
After 26 yrs. of disabling pain and various sxs, I was finally dx'd Bb 6/12. At this point I'd been on a strict Candida diet along w/Diflucan for several mos., as well as a strong dose of Nystatin. I began abx for Lyme, then Lymetutu said it sounded like I had babs and that I MUST treat immediately. I asked my Dr. to treat, she put me on Malarone 3 pills bid. The 1st week I was so very, very sick from it: short of breath, extreme nausea, etc. my doc had me do an ultrasound for gall bladder. I had to go off of Mal. cuz I couldn't handle fat. After gb removal I went back to Mal. high dose.
It helped my middle back pain and returned my voice (which had been gone for most of a decade). I was on it for 6 straight mos. I've just asked to go off of it cuz of extreme nausea and the stench which has worsened. My LLMD suggested I go off of Mal. for a few days and see what happens. I've been off since last night (missed 3 doses now). The nausea has been a bit better, but the stench is horrendous, and my stomach/digestion is awful.
I'd always leaned toward constipation, now I'm having 2-4 loose stools/day. It's messy and depleting, and I never feel quite right. I'm thinking it may be yeast, although I've remained on a VERY strict diet (even stopped fruit for a couple mos.), no sugar, yeast, vinegar, etc. since Feb. '11. After reading Stymie's post I'm thinking I need to address the yeast once and for all.
I had my fillings removed in '89 which got me up out of a wheelchair- had been very careful w/metals since, but tested positive for lead. Have been on DMSA for that since last April.
I'm afraid of stopping the Mal. before the bugs are gone, but I know that it encourages yeast growth too. I have written to the group at large since I managed to finally re-register when it kept spewing me out after the site change. I've never gotten any response. Sitting at the computer is hard for me (pain), I can't get the group on my phone or I would.
My husband and I are both on this tx w/this LLMD. I think he has yeast too but won't admit it. We've both lost lots of muscle, we look like scarecrows!
Anyway, I'd like to know these things: 1. Does anyone else deal w/a stench in the nostrils which worsens w/extra carb intake?
2. Do you think that babs can be removed with yeast in the system?
Please address the group and PM me if possible so I can read responses through Email.
cmomlq
Cipro 500mg bid Azith 500/day Ketoconazole bid Gris-Peg/day (anti-fungal) Methylation genetic problem- can't digest foods On allergy drops for: Candida, T3, Molds- all 7 (live in mold-free house now), Trees/weeds 7 food allergies including cane sugar
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cmom... You need to begin your own thread or no one will see this.. or at least very few will see it.
Many on this board (over the years) have treated infections in their sinuses. Hard to know if yours is from yeast or bacteria unless you get it cultured.
Why not try artemisinin and zith for the babs? Sure finished my babs off!
Be sure not to eat simple carbs or white foods .. and yes, NO FRUIT!!
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quote:Originally posted by girl: Bitten in Bergen - I have taken tons of Diflucan here and there and now I have gotten to the point I have more die off from not eating sugar, and with eating the sauerkraut, than I do with Diflucan.
Be careful with the Diflucan and pay attention to your liver. If you have extreme fatigue with Diflucan it could indicate acute liver failure.
If I take Diflucan, I take a liquid Milk Thistle tincture to support my liver at the same time.
Thanks, girl! Yes - my llmd is very cautious and constantly tests any time I'm on diflucan. I unfortunately have not had much die-off stopping the sugar, but I continue to avoid it.
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Did you ever discover what was causing your fatigue? Is it definitely yeast?
Hi terv - depends - some of it was from the abx, other times it was the yeast. The fatigue I have now is not as severe, but I think the yeast issue is coming back (despite my high probiotics and herbal antifungal rotation, plus nystatin, plus diet).
Also, I had treated babesia for about 6-8 months and apparently fatigue can be a big issue for babs. Thought we had treated it sufficiently, but my babesia FISH panel came up positive last week for the first time. So I suppose the babesia can also be causing an element of the fatigue.
It's a complicated ball of wax, and sometimes I only find out the particular cause du jour based on the treatment at the time.
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