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I can't find a simple article that will help my family understand.
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- It's not so simple but it makes perfect sense to start with the toxicity of lyme.
If someone drank poison, would they feel ill? Would that they make them feel ill in many ways? Would that make it harder to function? You bet.
And when it's harder to function, will neurological function be depressed, in the most literal definition not at all about their character traits? You bet.
Depression directly relates to toxicity - as well as the stress on every system and organ and function. When a ship is on "red alert" in an emergency, some systems struggle. Same with a body on "red alert" with lyme.
Lyme is one of THE most toxic infections known to the earth. Right up there with botulism.
Lyme can impair liver function. When liver function is impaired, depression follows.
The toxicity of lyme causes inflammation. Inflammaton causes depression.
Lyme can cause all kinds of brain and inner ear balance and sensory dysfunctions. When the balance system is off kilter, to ANY degree, depression likely follows.
Lyme can affect the nerve fibers, directly, in many ways.
Lyme can affect the heart in many ways, too.
Lyme can cause magnesium deficiency and that very often relates to depression.
Lyme causes fatigue. Fatigue causes depression.
Lyme can cause pain, big time, in ways that no owe without lyme can understand. And, well, that can kidnap mood as a result, a PHYSIOLOGICAL effect.
Lyme causes a neuro-excitatory state - that goes hand in hand with a crash or roller coaster in mood.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Quite frankly, I'm tired of family and friends who need convincing. Don't even try. If they want to learn more, share some links, articles, books -- but tell them where to find these on their own.
Break free and explain that whatever symptoms you have - you have. There is not always a simple explanation and you are intelligent enough to recognize the various symptoms as they shift around.
It's not up for debate or discussion. It is what it is. If you don't feel well enough for . . . then you just don't. Period. No need to say exactly why.
Still, of course, when possible be part of life as much as you can. A sharp wit can help. So can art, beauty, humor, funny movies, music.
Still, it's up to you to monitor what you need at any particular time.
Hopefully, your LL doctors can help. It all starts with liver support, really. From there, of course, other things help but it all starts with the care of liver & kidneys . . .
while . . . assertively addressing directly lyme, and ALL other infections that are in your mix.
Other conditons that go with lyme also require attention. Adrenal support should help mood along the way.
Find the most brilliant, ILADS educated LLMD &/or LL ND you can. Infections MUST be assertively addressed.
Links will come for you to share. -
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- Required reading for anyone who really wants to understand. Plan something refreshing for yourself after pouring through this. Take it in steps, it is a rough format so you may want to copy, paste and then change font and add some space breaks for your "study" copy.
Because many of the symptoms of Lyme disease involve the nervous system, it was speculated that the spirochete produced a toxin that disrupted normal nerve function.
Through the use of DNA manipulations and a database of known protein toxin DNA sequences, a match was made with a selected Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) gene and a specific toxin in the database.
Protein generated from this cloned Bb gene was examined biochemically and found to have characteristics similar to that of botulinum, the toxin of Clostridium botulinum, a zinc endoproteinase.1
The toxin from Bb belongs to a family of toxic proteins known as "zinc endoproteinases" or metalloproteases, and includes the toxin from the organism causing tetanus as well as those from many other well-known infectious diseases. . . . -
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- To offset toxicity during treatment, to help you better tolerate treatment and also help with mood support at the same time:
Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS -
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- Lyme seems to make many more sensitive to certain food groups - and to chemicals in food "products"
Vital detail that can help lift mood so very much:
GMO foods that destroy the GI Tract; Gluten; Dairy. -
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- I mentioned that ALL tick-borne infections in the mix must be assertively addressed by the most brilliant ILADS LLMD &/or LL ND you can manage.
Lyme is never just lyme. And it's often also not just the "other" kinds of TBD (tick-borne dieseaes) such as babesia, RMSF, bartonella, ehrlichia, etc.
Often overlooked: parasites. They can cause depression and all kinds of mood upheaval. Many LLMDs are now voicing the need to address parasites since they certain do travel with lyme.
Many who experience depression or those around them often suggest aggressive exercise. Exercise is important, of course, but with lyme, it must be done differently. Many of the more gentle forms are surprisingly effective mood enhancers. Do what you enjoy.
EXERCISE INTOLERANCE is somewhat common with lyme and is (partially) explained in the article: "when exercise doesn't work out" (and what we can do about that)
ADRENAL, CARDIAC, MITOCHONDRIA & MYELIN SUPPORT - that all helps movement better work for us
Styles discussed: Pilates; Qi Gong; Tai Chi; Yoga; water; strolling; etc.
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HEAT INTOLERANCE is very common with lyme, too, and that can clobber mood, big time, even for a day or more after experiencing too much heat for YOUR body (no mind about others around you who may not feel it as intensely).
AVOID HOT BATHS. Discussion in this thread. -
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- My explanations / connections are mostly around the physical, physiological factors that affect mood.
All this has got to take a toll on our soul, too. Whatever your spiritual practice is, you might "go there" or add some element that will nurturing to you spirit.
You may also want to TALK to a counselor or therapist. If so, it's really best if they are also ILADS educated and LL (lyme literate). Ask your LLMD for their suggestions.
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Take a break. Try to have a life aside from this new "course of study"
Rather than pour over all now, just note the link. You can always come back to this as a study thread if you need to but, really, do what you need to do with nutrition and safe exercise (not aerobic), getting your mind on other things.
Share the link with your LOVED ONES - the ones who care and really want to better understand so your relationship with them can still be strong and meaningful.
For some FUN, this always helps me smile -- it's good to always transition out of a "learning" session with some fun:
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Wow Keebler, thank you for everything that you do here. It helps so much. THank you especially for the "Human Side of Lyme" link. Very valuable.
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Greenwings-thank you for starting this thread.
Keebler-thank you for answering it and including some links.
I have never been depressed "for no reason", but for some reason I've been having a hard time since Thursday.
So it is good to read the reasons that are maybe causing this sadness.
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- Beyond the lyme connection - for anyone - certain nutrient deficiencies (esp. magnesium & B-vitamins) - and lack of enough WATER can cause depression.
Too little protein, complex carbohydrates or fat, too (from the cleanest sources). The brain must be fed and watered. And flavors from garden herbs & spices are also essential to our mood health.
So often, I see folks who eat too little. I've been there (was most of my life due to dieting, bad choice) and it was very hard to maintain a level mood without enough nutritious food (and calories) from all the food groups, in balance.
One can still avoid certain foods such as gluten or refined sugars, processed foods and still get adequate supply with great flavor. Organic foods do matter, too.
Green Tea is a very nice helper to mood, too.
VERY DARK chocolate (over 80%), too, or cocoa with stevia. -
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THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTIONS
Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148
- by Anura V. Kurpad
Fifteen pages of text.
Excerpt from abstract on page one:
. . . In general, the amount of extra protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . .
- by Komarova E.L., Doctor of pharmacological science
Excerpts:
. . . Traditionally Gotu Kola was used for wound healing and to treat skin lesions. Nowadays, due to its wound healing properties, its ability to prevent scar formation, and to enhance the integrity and vascularization of connective tissues . . . .
. . . especially the healing of connective tissues . . . .
. . . Only a few plants can stimulate the increase of collagen synthesis, and according to in vitro studies on fibroblasts Gotu Kola has proven its efficacy in this. . . .
. . . Another important property of Gotu Kola is its ability to improve the circulation of the blood, including venous and capillary.
Its ability to improve peripheral circulation, reduce oedema and pain in the extremities, allows the use of the plant for the treatment of phlebitis, varicose veins, spasms and other cases of venous insufficiency. . . .
. . . A common misconception is that gotu kola contains caffeine, which is simply not true . . . .
. . . Researchers have found that gotu kola contains several glycosides that exhibit wound healing and anti-inflammatory activities . . . .
. . . Gotu Kola has been found to have significant results in healing of skin, other connective tissues, lymph tissue, blood vessels (decreasing capillary fragility), and mucous membranes.
GOTU KOLA - YouTube 3-minute video from Nature's Classroom
[Starts off with discussion about the nutrients] . . . full of minerals -- calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, phosphorous, manganese, chromium, zinc, selenium, iodine, silicon, germanium and cobalt --
. . . it contains awesome phytonutrients known as triterpenoids. Triterpenoids promote collagen formation and have been shown to concentrate antioxidants into damaged tissue and increase the blood supply . . . .
Gotu Kola, microcirculation - 15 abstracts -
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Thanks Keebler
Dark chocolate...check... (always have room for dark chocolate
And thanks for the book link and the info re gotu kola.
I see my doc Friday, hopefully this depression resolves by then, or else hopefully doc will know what to do.
Sigh.
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- If candida is on board, just to be clear, "dark chocolate" only over 80% (about one ounce is a nice serving) would be okay for some and after a meal or with other foods like nuts - but not necessarily for everyone.
So, to avoid even the tiny bit of sugar in the 80% range, cocoa powder can be mixed with a bit of stevia and nut oil to savor or put into a nut milk (not with oil, though).
The darker the powder, the better. Organic, too, as some chocolate / cocoa can contain lead. Organic avoids that or otherwise be sure of the source.
Cocoa is also good for the heart. -
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