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There are two protocols. First the baby bottle protocol with just oral CD. Then, the parasite protocol which you described in part above.
Actually most of us are just using the first 5 ingredients you mentioned above along with CD. The parasite protocol is done monthly around the full moon (that makes us really sound crazy, doesn't it?). But if you research more you will see that the full moon thing is real...even mosquitoes act differently on the full moon.
You are right that those things in the parasite protocol do kill worms. That's why it's called the parasite protocol. BUT even those on oral CD are seeing worms coming out, even BEFORE starting the parasite protocol.
CD is not used as the primary parasite killer but it does kill some of them. Many parents post photos of the evidence they find after just using a few drops of the CD ORALLY.
The effectiveness of CD on parasites/bacteria/fungus/viruses/inflammation has been proven by the fact that a group of autistic kids in Venezuela did heal (lost autism diagnosis) on the oral CD protocol alone before the parasite protocol was added.
If these things you listed above cured autism and PANDAS alone, without the CD, many kids would have been cured and we would all be just taking those things. My kids have taken all of these things (mebendazole, pyrantal, earth, neem) in the past and the improvements paled in comparison to this protocol.
Kerri explains in her book why diet is such a huge factor for autistic kids. Basically, because they have leaky gut, things like gluten get into the bloodstream and actually act as a narcotic drug to them. Kerri states that she has not had any recoveries from those who did not do the diet along with the protocol. My kids were already on the diet when we started so that part was easy. There is no fasting involved.
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bumping for new members! We are all still making improvements on this protocol!
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I'm sorry, I haven't gone back and read through the entire thread, but what is the difference between CD and MMS? Is it essentially the same thing? I need to go back and read as I'm just now looking into this for myself and my children.
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jwall - it is the same thing...just now referred to as CD when discussing the Kerri Rivera and Andreas Kalcker protocols. Feel free to pm me if you need any info. You might start with getting Kerri Rivera's book. It discusses the protocols in depth. And read the links I posted above.
Also, the facebook group CDAutism is very active and growing by about 20 new members per day...you will get a good feel for how successful this protocol is by reading what other parents are saying. This is not just for autistic kids!
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Couldn't ALL OF THAT be getting the results, parasites out? Why does it have to be the MMS?
- - Those are HUGE... I would say the MMS is a minor part of the healing if they are doing all of that. I know several who are using the Body Ecology Diet to heal their Autistic children.
NO MMS at all. The BED diet involves MUCH of the above.
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Lymetoo - I don't get it...you believe in rife therapy but not this?
I have been on this board for a very long time and have more experience than most here. I have been to many of the best LLMD's and have done nothing but research to try to heal my family for the past 7 years. I have made great progress but could not get them fully healed...because now I see... it was parasites as the root cause all along. I have found something that has helped my children get better than they have ever been...my twin boys were on the spectrum....one is no longer due to this protocol. The other is not far behind. My daughter's PANDAS is gone.
What is your point in repeating this post? First, this post by surprise is NOT the correct protocol. Secondly, Kerri Rivera's first group of autistic children that she healed was done so WITH ONLY CHLORINE DIOXIDE. Yes, nothing else. The Kalcker parasite protocol with the Vermox was not used, and a group of ASD children healed in Venezuela. She did find that it works even better and faster when combining her baby bottle protocol with the Kalcker parasite protocol, however. So that is what is done now.
To say that the MMS or CD is a minor part of the protocol is ABSURD. CD is the most important part of the protocol. Kids start passing worms just on the oral CD alone...NOTHING ELSE. My son, who was already on the diet for years, stopped having meltdowns by the 3rd day CD. Most parents notice changes within the first week and often in the first few days. Some within a few doses.
People can do what they want with the information I am giving. I am putting it out there because this is such an important discovery that many don't know about. I can send you emails of the mother of an autistic boy now on the protocol because of me...she is so thankful..her son is getting better.
This is a LIFE CHANGING protocol and for you to try to continuously stifle it is just wrong. I just don't understand it.
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Tick battler, I have to commend you on your steadfast efforts to help everyone here. You are very kind to keep putting yourself out there. Thank you.
I really want to try this, but I'm still making progress on treating parasites (meds, herbs). This sounds much less expensive though, and I like what you said about getting a better response from MMS. I'm a little concerned about the citric acid though (gives me gerd).
I tried MMS a few years ago after I was bit (didn't know I had lyme and company at the time). I went to the ER for an allergic reaction tied to lyme (didn't know that was my issue though) and the hospital put me on prednesone. Then my husband suggested MMS (he took it on a regular basis). I was so completely overwhelmed with what was happening to my body with lyme and company that I would have tried anything, so I tried one drop.
I'm sure you can imagine that between the pred and MMS, I had a negative reaction. I herxed hard and ended right back in the ER. Unfortunately I didn't even know what a herx was back then. Now I recognize it. If only I had listened to my husband and not the medical community...
I feel really bad that my husband took the brunt of that hospital visit. The nurses thought he was nuts for taking MMS, much less convincing me to try it (they gave him a hard time). Now I know that he was WAY ahead of the game. He was treating parasites ten years ago, and I just laughed. I was such an a--. My mind was closed shut.
I love that the autism community discovered the benefits of MMS. I know a good mom will do anything and everything for her children (like everyone here). They are our most precious commodities, and no mother in her right mind would do something to hurt them. You opened your mind up to help them, and for that I commend you, big time. I think you're brave for trying this, as well as voicing your children's success, and spreading the word.
If people can't tell by now, PARASITES really are key. It was even recognized at last years ILADS conference that parasites are THE number one co infection. It's easy to do the math here.
Please keep bumping this thread up. We all need the reminder. If Gael and a few others hadn't been so steadfast in recommending parasite treatment, I never would have discovered my massive parasite infection. My mind was closed for so long. It took constant reminders from others going through it to help me see that maybe I would feel better once I tried it. I am truly thankful for people like you, Gael, and Gigi.
Remember Schopenhauer:
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is being accepted as self-evident.
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Catgirl - thank you so much for your post. I read your posts on the parasite thread and am so glad to hear you are getting better!
The good thing about the baby bottle protocol is that you start with 1/8 drop for the first dose...so the possibility of a strong herxheimer reaction is much less.
If you are making progress with what you are doing....keep it up but at least you have the MMS in your bag of tricks in the case you plateau! I think the salt/C is a great choice too and it did help me. I wasn't doing enemas at the time and if I was, I may have noticed even more improvement than I did at the time.
You don't have to use citric acid as the activator...you can also use HCL. Or, the other option is to make CDS, which should not have any of the activators left in the final product. For those with sensitive stomachs, this normally works.
Best, tickbattler
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Thanks Tick battler, and you're welcome! I am really glad to hear I can do something besides citric acid.
"The good thing about the baby bottle protocol is that you start with 1/8 drop for the first dose...so the possibility of a strong herxheimer reaction is much less." --This I can do. I never knew how to reduce drops before.
2Roads (forgot to mention this), I am so sorry to hear what happened to your precious son. It breaks my heart. I really hope you are not beating yourself up over his reaction. I have been using agrisept L ever since I saw another thread on it. It dug up some hidden babesia that I didn't know I had (instant herx/symptoms). It's definitely killing something (herxing), so I'm plugging along. Now my herx/reaction to it isn't as strong as it was when I first started. Prior to trying it, my babs improvement was slow and steady. I guess that's the way it goes with these things.
I feel like agrisept L and treating for parasites are both helping me knock out my remaining babs. It kind of makes sense since babs is a parasite. Agrisept L is much stronger, even though I'm taking the same dose that I did of the nutri biotic brand.
I don't know what to tell you other than push forward with parasite treatment. My heart goes out to you and your family. Big fat hug!
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Catgirl - glad to hear that Agrisept-L is helping you with babs! It alone is what one of my practitioners uses for babesia and it seems to almost always work for her and her patients - but it can take months.
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Thanks Tick battler! I plan on staying on it. :)
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quote:Originally posted by tick battler: We had a tonsillectomy scheduled for her at the end of August and we are now cancelling it in order to see if the new protocol will heal her without surgery.
How's it going with your daughter's tonsils?
Have you ever tried using far-infrared (880 wavelength) or pulsed magnetic energy for sore throat? I've had good results with both.
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Carol - so far so good with my daughter! She has not been sick at all since May 31st when she started the protocol....until tonight actually - she has a fever! My husband has some kind of flu so I think she caught it. But a 4 month stretch of no sickness is a first for her!
I am very happy that I did not get her tonsils out this summer. I am going to see how the school year goes and hopefully stick with my decision...the CD is really working so far. She has not had a sore throat all summer.
Thanks for the tip on the pulsed magnetic energy. What tool do you use to deliver this? We do have a rife machine that I use but I think that is different.
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quote:Originally posted by tick battler:
Thanks for the tip on the pulsed magnetic energy. What tool do you use to deliver this? We do have a rife machine that I use but I think that is different.
I have a SOTA Magnetic Pulser. The magnetic energy adjusts the electrical charges on the cell walls to improve circulation. The cells get more nutrients so the mitochondria work better, and the cells heal.
I first bought the Magnetic Pulser in an attempt to stop the continuous pain in my knee. It worked!
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No one has mentioned how long you are on this - is it forever?
.....and also, I searched for anything bad on Agrisept-L and cannot find anything negative about it anywhere.
Does anyone have more info that would dissuade me from trying it? My kids are 15, 17 and 19- all diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia - one has had facial tics in the past. 2 have major temper tantrums.
this is very interesting, this post. I appreciate all sides of the opinions. I am a "go with my gut" person. but I need time to think this through, especially since I am compromised from lyme et al right now!
thanks!
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Just looke dup symptoms from the PANDAS site- I have almost all those symptoms!
now what? I see that it has mostly been a chilhood concern, but that some people are questioning the adult onsets
does anyone have info on that??/
I am only on zithro right now since i have not seen a LLMD yet, but I have difinitely seen some improvements, but want to try a easy and cheep parasite cleanse on my and my other 4 family member s since we ALL have symptoms!
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I hope your family feels better. There are some nasty bugs going around (we just got over one).
I'm so glad you didn't get your daughter's tonsils out either. Parasites love our glands, neck, heart, you name it. They go wherever they want.
As far as PEMF goes, I like that the device Carol uses can focus on whatever needs repair. I would love to get one, but I don't have the money right now. Plus ondamed is helping me with more things. Ondamed actually finds the cells in your body that need repair (the ones you don't actually know or feel something is wrong), and fixes them--reduces inflammation, etc. So it's diagnostic, then it fixes what needs repair. And, a big plus, it also kills parasites.
It is also totally different than rife. It works from your own biofeedback fed into the machine, so you're not guessing, plus it's a slow pulsed energy (not fast). It costs about $85 a session. Either way, PEMF is a wonderful tool for us (really glad Carol brought this up).
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LisaK - the protocol is estimated to be 12 to 18 months, depending on the severity of the infection.
PANDAS is actually parasites mostly, IMO. That is what Kerri Rivera says and that is what I saw with my children. As we clear the parasites, the temper tantrums and ADHD and learning disabilities and many more things gradually go away on this protocol.
A parasite cleanse can help but it is very slow and did not cure PANDAS for us. Maybe it could but I doubt it. Because when you have a huge parasitic infection, the immune system falls apart so the strep and the viruses and the fungal infections and the resulting inflammation skyrocket. The CD is what made the HUGE changes in all of us, because it kills all of these things at once.
And yes, adults can have PANDAS symptoms because the worms don't disappear once you grow up! There are plenty of adults that rage and become bi-polar or depressed and can't focus because of parasites.
The CD costs about $25 for a 2 to 3 month supply. And Kerri's book is about the same cost...that is where I would start.
I saw your pm and will reply soon! tickbattler
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Catgirl - thanks - my daughter is all better today! I am shocked. I had sent a note to school this morning before she woke up saying that she would not be at school because she was sick with a fever. She went to bed with a 102 fever and it was gone this morning. I kept her home in the morning but sent her for the afternoon. She has never recovered this fast...I am still amazed!
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Be sure to read carefully how to do the protocol...you are starting with 1 drop in 8 oz of water! And you only drink 1 oz per hour. So you are starting very slowly....1/8 of a drop for the each dose. There are some important things to learn before you start, including proper activation time (now is 1 minute for the HCL activator...), so I would recommend asking questions on the CDHealth and CD Autsim facebook sites.
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bumping...we are still all improving. My goal is to get rid of my son's IEP by next fall!
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so glad to hear it.
wasworried about you guys.
look on General.
thanks
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Thank you for sharing Tick Battler.
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I tried sending a pm to you but it says your mailbox is full. Please pm when you get a chance.
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Bumping for newcomers! The CD Autism facebook page now has over 3,000 families doing the protocol. It is spreading so fast by word of mouth. 115 kids now healed from autism and others making daily improvements. Dr. K (MD, PHD)has endorsed Kerri's second edition of her book which should be out by the end of January. See his quote on the back cover!!!
My family is still on it and doing great. My husband has finally gotten off sleep meds for the first time in 5 years because of this protocol.
scholzie22 - sorry I don't get her often. Will try to clean out my inbox!!
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