canefan17
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You made this comment awhile back about Hawthorn... Why does Hawthorn have a calming effect on the CNS?
Keebler - "I have and had always had wonderful results with it as calming agent for my nervous system and adrenals (and to help settle a racing heart). I never had any problem with it at all.
It is very relaxing so, I can see that effect may enhance depression, though it made me feel more happy. I noticed I actually smiled more when taking it - because is was so calming to my frayed body."
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- Scroll a ways into this thread to see the links about Hawthorn here, the way it works is explained in various places - and also you will find more with a Google Advanced Search, where you can cross search with key terms:
Chapter from The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook (Tillotson, et.al.)
HAWTHORN (Crataegus pinnatifida) -
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canefan17
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Thanks. I found this.
Sedation
Because Chinese hawthorn fruit supplements relax your blood vessels, allowing your blood to flow without restrictions, your blood pressure may decrease. While this classifies as a good effect, it may make you feel sleepy or groggy, the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center indicates.
This sedation effect generally occurs when you first use Chinese hawthorn fruit as a supplement and should cease as you use it more and your body adjusts. Unless the sedative effect persists or feels severe, you should not need medical help. If the effect interferes with your normal activities or worries you, seek counsel from your physician.
Fatigue
When Chinese hawthorn fruit supplements open your blood vessels, it can cause a drop in blood pressure to which you are not accustomed. This fall in your blood pressure can make you feel tired and fatigued.
You may feel like you just ran a marathon or climbed a steep hill, even if all you were doing was sitting in a chair watching television. Once your body adjusts to the lower blood pressure and the Chinese hawthorn fruit supplement, your normal energy level should return
canefan17
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And my blood pressure now is 104/59 62 beats per minute.
I'm curious to see if it normalizes a bit since Buhner says Hawthorn brings up lower BP.
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Mine initiaaly went down on it, but then came back up.
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Jiaogulan is a Chinese herb that also helps with mood, circulation, liver and energy. It is an amazing herb.
It is an adaptogen. If you need energy, it provides it. If you need calming, it calms. If your blood pressure is high, it lowers it. If your blood pressure is too low, it raises it.
Dr. Kellon, recommended giving 1 ts jiaogulan on an empty stomach to horses with laminitis. WHen taken on an empty stomach it stimulates nitric oxide which opens the capillaries.
Laminitis is a condition where the capillaries in the horses' front feet are swollen so the horse has reduced circulation. It is very painful and can literally kill the feet. MANY horses have been saved with this herbal remedy. Hawthorn is not strong enough. I have used both.
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- Pam, that caught my eye as I just ordered a new to-tea a few weeks ago and find it wonderful. It's a very nicely sweet, medium-bodied tea, no caffeine.
Here are my study notes for that:
GYNOSTEMMA - Basic Links set
- Gynostemma pentaphyllum, also called jiaogulan or Jiao Gu Lan - china's 'immortality' herb
First, getting this as a TEA from Strand Tea, Dec. 2013 - 8 oz. (about 200 grams) is $16. Using one tea sieve (2 tsp.) for 2 - 3 15 oz. cups a day, four ounces will last about 3 weeks.
[Speaking of the relatives] Luo Han Guo (luohanguo) refers to the fruit of Siraitia grosvenori, formerly called Momordica grosvenori, a member of the Curcubitaceae (1). The fruit is well-known for its sweet taste; this plant family (Gourd family) has other members that contain remarkable sweet components, including additional species of the genus Siraitia (e.g., S. siamensis, S. silomaradjae, S. sikkimensis, S. africana, S. borneensis, and S. taiwaniana 2)
and the popular herb jiaogulan (Gynostemma pentaphyllum). . . .
. . . .The beginning of research into the sweet component of luohanguo is attributed to C.H. Lee, who published an English report in 1975 (12), and to Tsunematsu Takemoto working in Japan in the early 1980s (he later turned his attention to studying jiaogulan (3).
that reference: 3. Blumert M and Liu Jialiu, Jiaogulan: China's Immortality Herb, 1999 Torchlight Pub., Badger, CA.
Miracle tea for radiant health - . . .pour hot (not boiling) water into the pot & let it steep for about 5 minutes or longer before serving. . . .
an age old herb in traditional Chinese herbology. It has been widely researched. It is a true rejuvenator / antiaging herb as it is an immunomodulator, adaptogen, antioxidant, anti-cancer, neuroprotective, nootropic and hepatoprotective. . . .
. . . The chemical constituents responsible for the adaptogenic characteristic of Gynostemma are saponins (gypenosides). Gynostemma contains the widest range of saponins from all the plants in nature.
There are more than 75 different saponins in Gynostemma Pentaphyllum which is nearly four times the number of saponins found in Ginseng. The PubMed database already lists over 11,000 research papers that explore and explain the benefits of saponins. . . .
Phytomedicine. 2012 Jun 15;19(8-9):812-8. doi: 10.1016/j.phymed.2012.03.012. Epub 2012 Apr 17.
Preconditioning of brain slices against hypoxia induced injury by a Gynostemma pentaphyllum extract--stimulation of anti-oxidative enzyme expression.
Schild L, Cotte T, Keilhoff G, Brödemann R. Source
Department of Pathological Biochemistry, Otto-von-Guericke-University, Magdeburg D-39120, Germany. [email protected]
Abstract
A short period of hypoxia/hypoglycaemia (oxygen and glucose deprivation, OGD) induced by perfusion with O(2)/glucose-free medium caused immediate loss and incomplete restoration of evoked field potentials in the CA1 region of transverse hippocampus slices. OGD-dependent decrease in evoked field potentials can be prevented by a proceeding short OGD event (preconditioning).
We report about a study investigating the effect of an ethanolic Gynostemma pentaphyllum extract on evoked field potentials when administered before the OGD episode. Using this procedure, the extract completely protected the cells of the slices from functional injury.
In an astroglia rich cell culture the ethanolic Gynostemma pentaphyllum extract caused within 48 h of cultivation increased protein and activity levels of the anti-oxidative enzymes manganese superoxide dismutase (Mn-SOD) and glutathione peroxidase (GPx). Consequently, the cellular H(2)O(2) concentration remained at a low level. These data suggest that the Gynostemma pentaphyllum-mediated increase in antioxidative enzyme activities may contribute to the protection of transverse hippocampus slices from OGD induced functional injury.
Our results demonstrate that the prophylactic administration of the ethanolic extract from Gynostemma pentaphyllum has a high potential to protect from ischemia/reperfusion injury.
another abstract I was reading talked about forced exercise and this helping with recovery / prevention.
My take away on that: toxic load can CAUSE exercise intolerance. Anything to decrease toxic load, support all systems, etc. can help. But, also a huge warning sign not to push exercise if there is an issue of intolerance as that can be very dangerous, indeed, and cause damage without adequate considerations. -
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canefan17
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nefferdun,
So does it act like Hawthorn in it's heart affects?
I do love adaptogens & have always responded very well to them.
Hawthorn made me depressed, bad. Only 3 days in. Hmmmmmmmm
PS: Which brand did you buy Nefferdun? From Amazon?
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What if your BP is super low? That kind of makes me nervous to try it, but I'd love for it to raise my BP. I also sure could use the calming effects!
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Life+Lyme, Have you tried drinking salt water? that can raise blood pressure and low blood pressure is often a symtpom of dehydration.
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I have POTS. I take florinef, do IV saline, the whole nine-yards. I'm still trying to get regulated.
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My blood pressure is high too at present, despite my being on a low dose of a betablocker.
I have been looking up which of the herbs I already have can help (obviously not going mad, since I am on medicatio) and found that, as well as hawthorn and gynostemma, barberry, Japanese knotweed,and motherwort may be good for high bp.
SB likes motherwort and it is normally associated with happy moods, so may be an alternative to hawthorn for those that feel depressed on the latter.
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Lemon balm too is said to be good for high blood pressure and tastes great; it is good for nervous tummy too.
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Summer3
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My BP is also low but I would like to try Hawthorne again for my heart palpitations. Currently I had to resort to "mainstream" meds because of frequent fainting so I'm on Florinef/Toprol/Midodrine.
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