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motiki17
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My 19 year old daughter is going through the process. We saw our Second Doctor today and I would like a little heads up for the second round of test results. Her lifetime GP said her test resuts we the highest that he had ever seen,gave a 10 day round of antibiotics. I asked him "what if this doesn't work" he replied "it never ..."doesn't work" " 2 months later and she is still down.
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GretaM
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Oh dear!

I'm sure his heart was in the right place, but his data is years out of date and incorrect.

10 days?! Geesh?! Totally inadequate, IMO.

Can you post in Seeking for an LLMD in your state?

Also, what tests did he run?

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Sorry to hear that this is so difficult. Most doctors are not at all educated in this field and it's become so political "criminal" for a patient to be ill more than 10 days with lyme that the patients are just tossed to the wind.

It can take months / years to get better but addressing it early is best.

COMBINATION; ROTATION with Rx and support methods with an ILADS lyme literate doctor is best, although many states don't even have one and most insurance companies won't cover.

It's very complex so just hold on. Many have succeeded.

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Diagnosing Lyme Disease (&/or whatever else is going on)

Other tick-borne infections and other chronic stealth infections - as well as certain conditions that can hold us back - are discussed here.


http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/lymeseroneg.html

Reasons for False Negative (Seronegative) Test Results in Lyme Disease


http://publichealthalert.org/uploads/2013_6.pdf

Public Health Alert (PHA) is a newspaper committed to researching and investigating Lyme Disease and other chronic illnesses

Laboratory Tests and Diagnosis for Lyme Disease and Co-infections - June 2013

- by Armin Schwarzbach, M.D., Ph.D. - Five Pages


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=013239;p=0

What is a LLMD? LL ND? What is ILADS?

WHY you need an ILADS "educated" or "minded" Lyme Literate doctor (whether MD or ND, or both) - starting with assessment / evaluation for lyme, OTHER tick-borne diseases, and other chronic stealth infections - and all that goes along for the ride.

Medical "models" explained here, as to differences in the ISDA & ILADS models of assessment & treatment - and exactly why it is so very important to know the differences.


How just doxycycline (or another other antibiotic, alone) can cause chronic lyme:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=120369;p=0

Topic: replication within cystic forms of lyme
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The Biology of Lyme Disease: An Expert's Perspective - July 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tESJVvM88

Video Part I - 26 minutes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RATCS-3v9Q

Part II - 29 minutes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEjNMlNM3l8

Part III - 26 minutes
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quote:
Originally posted by GretaM:
Oh dear!

I'm sure his heart was in the right place, but his data is years out of date and incorrect.

10 days?! Geesh?! Totally inadequate, IMO.

Can you post in Seeking for an LLMD in your state?

Also, what tests did he run?


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motiki17
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Lyme IgM /Igm 1.55 index

This was the result that GP #1 was so excited about. It was like he had just made a touch down and he was very proud of himself for running the test.

Lyme diease Ab, Quant, Igm <0.91

GP# 2 ,yesterdays visit, said <0.91 makes him think it may not have been Lyme at all. He is thinking Epstein-Barr virus.

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It has been 2 years since she had a tick bite (with no bullseye)

3 years ago she was diagnosed with a severe case of Mono and missed an enitre semester of school. Instead of holding her back,she took her GED and the Superentendant released her from High school. She was very sick that year, but started college at 16. Being able to take some of her classes online,she settled into her new way of life.

This is where I failed as a Mother. She never got well and I just assumed she had become "lazy" and "an introvert" because of the Mono. I basically ignored her complaints and pushed her to be more active.

Over the last six months, she has progressively
turned into an elderly person. Icy Hot, patches,heating pads everwhere!

I finally woke up and realized she wasn't just lazy.

We are going to get to the bottom of this,one way or another. I read ,after her first postive Lyme test,that Mono can activate dormate Lyme Disease.

Thanks to all of you for the info!
I've got a lot of reading to do.

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Motiki-i nearly dropped my handheld to applaud you.

I love your attitude. I want to cheer.

I wish more of us had determined advocates like you on our team!

I know when my mom "stepped over" to the lyme side and started reading and learning as much about it as she could, it really helped my morale.

She happily sports a lime green purse, and wears lime green on the days I really need a morale boost.

When she goes on her hikes, she tucks her pants into her socks, and when people ask she does mini tick prevention chats, explains ideal tick habitats and how they grab on.

You have already done so much for your daughter's morale, now that you accept there's more to the aches and pains and fatigue etc.

I speak for all of us with lyme when I say it warms my heart to read of folks who don't have lyme become advocates for their loved ones who do.

It's not an easy road to walk, whether you have lyme, or walk beside someone who has lyme supporting them...but it sure isn't such a lonely one with people like you motiki.

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You will need to do some traveling to find a doctor who will help. There are not any LLMD's in AR that I am aware of.

I was dxd with "mono" at age 17 .. and guess what?? IT WAS LYME.

Do not stop until you get a doctor who will treat her properly.

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You can have multiple infections. I have epstein barr and Lyme (along with 11 other co-infections, not to scare you, it's just a reality and many reactivated when I got Lyme).

I did this post about testing awhile back:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/127210?#000000

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Lymetoo,
your post is interesting and makes me wonder how often that happens with 'Mono'.

Is 'Mono' diagnosed through symptom correlation subjectively by Dr's (e.g. colds, bronchitis) or is there some specific test that yields a +/-?

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She did have a positive monospot test 3 years ago. Maybe she needs to get a copy of those test,too. Her liver and spleen we seriouly affected.

There have so many issues during the entire ordeal. She even had a tonsillectomy. Upon researching this connection recently. It brought me to Lymenet :)This seems to be the epicenter for all questions "Lyme"

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This is the best place to come for info, motiki!!

j77.. Over the years, I've heard of many who had mono and it was the first indication of Lyme.

Supposedly, they looked at the blood slides and saw the single "mono" blood cells.... back in my day.

Now it is a viral titer??

Ticks can give us 10-15 infections in one single bite. Thankfully, it is usually not THAT many!

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I also tested positive for Epstein barr virus and cytomegalovirus after my Nov 2013 tick attachment.

I was negative for both those the July prior.

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