Silverwolf
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Hi <<<<< LymeNet Family >>>>>,
I'm puzzled, and concerned about what is safe for me to eat, and what may be triggering allergy problems.
For the last month and longer several foods I've not had any issues with,suddenly are an issue.
Symptoms include : diarrhea, scratchy sore throat, headaches, sniffles and so on.
Newest culprits : Pork products[such as roast,or mild sausages], and Salmon.
Recently mentioned issues in another post, were: eggs, tomato, and celery. It was suggested that these could be a Histamine intolerance.
I've been checking/reading some about the Histamine problem. Could it include Meats?
I know, egg, salmon, pork, and to some extent Tomato[has some proteins in right?], are proteins.
Last night I had a burger[beef], it seemed okay,tasted good and such, this a.m. I had some Turkey bacon [regular real bacon hurts my stomach, to greasy I think...].
Today I am fighting diarrhea again, happened a few days ago, after having pork meat also. I tried a bit of salmon in a soup, and some pork roast, along w/ some spinach. I was hoping the meats wouldn't bother me.
I also have to be very careful about peanuts/ peanut butter, tho' that is more a heartburn/burping issue.
I am noticing tho' how much of these foods are proteins and/or have some protein components.
Twice now counting today,salmon has been a problem, and at least three times pork products. After waiting several days and trying again it still seems a problem.
TxC' eats some Gluten product [altho' rarely], I am gluten free. We are careful about cross contamination.
I have heard of the red meat allergy connection and Lyme Disease, is it getting common, and can it include other proteins?
We've had friends that couldn't eat shell fish or tuna, because of allergy problems.
I tend to have ongoing sinusitis, which seems common w/ LD and Co's but this is getting ridiculous. it is one thing to have some sinus issues,which I take meds for low dose only.
Another problem for me, is allergy to most ABX, maybe the meats are being tainted w/ more ABX?? We try to watch for good safe meat that is economical and not loaded with chemicals and junk.
TxC' does most of the shopping, and tries to be watchful checking for Gluten free foods. I can't get out very often at this time.
If it is all allergy, why is it hitting all of a sudden??? We are both going thru some stressful things, but life gets that way sometimes.
I have to eat something, and if I am not really really carb conscious I start gaining weight, and my blood glucose levels go too high.
I do eat apples, and some berries, and now and again almonds too. But, I am careful not to load up on carbs.
We occasionally can have pumpkin, and enjoy a good 'Spaghetti' Squash. And now and again i have GF waffles.
Anyone have any ideas, what could be causing these symptoms 'out of the blue' so to speak?
Thanks for any tho'ts and ideas that you post! I don't know what to do from here out... have to eat.
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Aargh, I hope this is making sense...
Tried to edit, meant to say, after waiting few days,after allergy like symptoms from salmon, and then pork, I had tried them again today, and experienced diarrhea issues.
And I had had a beef burger last evening.
I can't seem to think and type in things right today.
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Silver, I'm glad you've been researching. You might want to check out some of the Facebook groups on histamine intolerance and/or check out Low Histamine Chef.
YES, that includes meats! Big time. Especially salmon and pork and anything ground.
Leftovers can also be a big problem.
Histamine intolerance is basically a gut issue... and those of us on long term antibiotics are prime targets for this.
I'm sorry you may be in the same boat I'm in. It's not fun at all.
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I have a lot of the same issues, Silverwolf, right down to being carb conscious. I am very particular about my carb intake, and suddenly having reactions to the main staples of my diet has been very difficult.
I haven't been able to learn much yet from researching this, so many other things I'm focusing on with treatment. What has helped me much in the meanwhile is eating around it.
I was mostly meat, eggs, and veggies before, so I'm a little lost without the meat portion of my plate. I've found that while hemp protein doesn't provide the satisfying mouth feel of a ribeye, it is an awesome protein substitute. Low carb, mixes well, hi protein, high fiber, and tastes inoffensive.
So to get my macronutrients right I've been making a protein shake and loading up on veggies and butter. It's not a permanent solution (I hope!), but it's working for now. Eliminating all the offending foods and adding some digestive enzymes has helped me a lot with digestion issues.
I hope you are able to get this figured out!
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That "Cascade of Symptoms" chart at the histamine-intolerance website is terrific. Thanks for posting that, Lymetoo. It's interesting how many the symptoms of histamine intolerance overlap with those of lyme and co's. It seems like if lyme/co's isn't directly causing histamine intolerance, it is affecting all the systems responsible for those symptoms.
I've been having more better days that before, overall. I'll take it any way I can, but it has me wondering if the diet changes have more to do with it than anything else.
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Hi <<<<< Lymetoo, and gz >>>>>,
Thanks for the links and replies, Sorry that you two are going thru this as well.
TxCoord and I are hoping to go check on some more supplements and such the early part of the week.
I'll check prices on some protein supplements too, and we'll see what is gluten free and affordable.There is a nice supplement shop close to us!
A couple of supplements we've found inexpensively thru Amazon. So we'll be checking there as well.
I've been reading a little from the Low Histamine Chef, but didn't notice much about the meats, course sometimes I look right at something and still can't see it... Aarrghghhh.
I'm still searching,and the links are a big help! The Paleo one was interesting and surprising to me. Not only can many foods cause Histamine reaction, but there was quite the list of food that can bring on an issue,even tho' it is low Histamine.
TxCoord and I joke 'bout the' Nirvana Diet = Green beans and water' the state of perfect nothingness, but I am even beginning to wonder if my beloved green beans could cause a reaction... I sure hope not!
I'm trying to get the IBS symptomology to ease,especially cramping right now. The 'Tortoise and Hare' have been racing about and my intestines and colon are not amused.
Well, if it takes cutting out more foods for now, I guess that's what I'll do, and hope I can find a good protein that doesn't hurt my tummy.
Thanks again for tho'ts links,and replies, I'll be checking back in from time to time. Not giving up!!!
Trying to get me,TxCoord and Pup Dog Muad'i back to a healthier state of being...
Jus' Silverwolfi
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quote:Originally posted by gz: It's interesting how many the symptoms of histamine intolerance overlap with those of lyme and co's. It seems like if lyme/co's isn't directly causing histamine intolerance, it is affecting all the systems responsible for those symptoms.
- Exactly.
Silver: Green beans are one of the few green vegetables I'm able to eat! So it's green beans and water for me!
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Hi <<<<< Lymetoo, and gz >>>>>,
Searching and reading, I find myself wondering, just how many folks immune systems are breaking down from LD and co-infections, and if the Histamine Intolerance and so many other problems are the result?
[oh joy, I think I just did a run-on sentence question...sorry].
How many folk have LD and Co's and don't have a clue? I've had all sorts of health issues since I was a child,and only found out about the LD in 2006.
I'm off to check more info' on the Histamine Intolerance [in between restroom visits , rough night lastnight]
Jus' Silverwolfi here
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Jus' me again,
Should we start the Nirvana Diet-Green Beans and Water club here? Aaarrgghhh.
I was looking at those two links more, how does one tell the difference between Lyme and Co's, Yeast issues, Histamine Intolerance, Heavy Metals issues, and Mold-Mildew issues.
This goes way beyond scarey. And right now,around here in the desert we've got grasses and other things blooming that cause allergy reactions too.
Now where did I put that map to my Hibernation cave?? Have to find some non-trigger foods to take with me, and a good pure water source.
I'll be back later on...
Jus' Silverwolfi
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When I first broke out in hives I began searching and not knowing what was wrong, I ate a diet to avoid both problems (salicylates and histamine)... There wasn't much left to eat!
So far I have not starved .. so all is good!
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Hi <<<<< Lymetoo >>>>>,
Wow, I was looking up the salicylate food lists, I'm glad you were able to find something safe for you to eat.
I didn't realize so many foods had salicylates in them, and then to add in the Histamine Intolerance list. That has to be very limiting.
If I read correctly pealed Pears don't have Histamaines and Salicylates in,so maybe we could modify the Nirvana diet and add Pears.
Is there a chance of you being able to eventually add a few things back into your diet? Or is it usually once Histamine resistant, and Salicylate restricted always?
I know there are Aspirin allergy problems or like *penicillin allergy, which *I have. That is disconcerting to say the least,if one has the Salicylate intolerance, no aspirin, and watch skin lotions and make-up.
I have to check all skin and beauty products for Oat/Aveenen. A lot of lotions,and powders. eye shadows have Oat product,and some foundations too.
Well,I better go offline for now, TxCoord has a program lined up for us to watch on TV.
BBL... Jus' Silverwolfi
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Oat was one of my early offenders. I started into a bowl of oat bran and immediately felt itching and swelling in my facial tissues.
That's about when I experienced a whole slew of crazy immune reactions, I guess that is when the biggest part of my histamine intolerance really bloomed, along with the worsening of other lyme symptoms.
If I strictly avoid the foods that I know give me histamine reactions, then I can usually get away with little bits of stuff here and there, like a smear of guacamole of sprinkling of cheese. The bad thing about doing that is I believe consuming these foods will contribute to the reaction happening eventually.
I might not be mounting enough histamine with little bites here and there, but I think it can build up if it's not clearing. Like if I eat chicken and have a full blown reaction, a small bite of anything offensive will keep it going or cause another reaction.
So I just try to avoid all the stuff that aggravates my histamine if I can. I figure it's better to try and not irritate my immune system, otherwise I might end up with worse issues. While I can't address this stuff now, I am really hoping my body heals from it as I am rid of lyme and co's.
I must confess I couldn't help myself by not eating a bit of steak I made last night. It ended up making me fell so sick I couldn't go near the kitchen until my husband put it away and cleared the dishes up . I've done that enough times, hopefully I've learned my lesson. Taking it easy with the kind and gentle hemp protein today.
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gz .. Supposedly, the salicylates will build up in the body... and if you think of histamine as your histamine "bucket" .. You will understand that the more you put in that bucket the more likely it will "overflow."
Here is a great link that discusses sals and histamine:
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I am going to try a first six hour colostrum that is said to reduce histamine and allergies amongst other things.
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Hello <<<<< gz,Lymetoo, and ukcarry >>>>>,
I'm curious to know about the colostrum, I hope it will help! <<<<< ukcarry >>>>>.
<<<<< Gz >>>>>, I am seriously allergic to oats, I don't eat them in any form, be watchful of beauty and skincare products which may have Aveenen/oat in them.
And some Taco companies use *Isolated Oat Protein*. I got really ill after eating Taco Bell food because of the hidden *IOP*. It is used as a preservative.
If you use oil pastels, or charcoals in drawing and art work beware of textured papers, some use Oat tag.
I like the analogy about the bucket <<<<< Lymetoo >>>>>, Mine seems to be overflowing w/ Histamine unpleasantness at the moment,so I am home near the restroom.
I'm wondering if a short term elimination diet might help, if I can find two safe foods to eat,I'm going to see if I can find what all is triggering this mess.
I was reading the safe foods lists to TxCoord, he's trying to figure out a budget,so we can both find safe foods to eat.
There was some good helpful hints, use the freshest meats possible,and be sure to refrigerate,or freeze meat leftovers promptly. Also skin any chicken one cooks.
It looks like pork products are out for me, I like good fish but will need to try to find fresh caught when possible [we do have a friend who fishes now and again], so we'll see.
That Low Histamine Chef advised checking the safe list carefully,and adapting it to our needs,as some may have a reaction to things on it too. Also some folk can eat some of the foods on the 'NO NO' list.
Not sure I want to chance that, my intestines are still letting me know they are in misery. Trying to be watchful,and mind our super tight budget. Have to eat,so we'll see what happens.
Will check in later on...
Jus' Silverwolfi
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For sources of protein, can you have sardines, almond butter, or pea protein?
Sardines are low in mercury, as they are at the bottom of the food chain. Salmon is at the top of the food chain, and accumulates mercury because it eats other fish. Fish from local streams and lakes has mercury too.
I have not tried pea protein, but when I looked it up at iHerb.com, it gets many enthusiastic reviews.
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No sardines for me .. high histamine. No almonds due to salicylates. Peas are OK.. I'm sprouting peas, which are supposed to help with the DAO enzymes that help combat histamine.
I'll go look at the pea proteins, but I'm sure there are additives in the preparations that will likely X it out.
I don't do any fish. Too big a risk. I'd love to have some fresh fish though!
Silver .. Have you tried Zyrtec or Zantac? Zantac is a good stop-gap remedy. Don't over-use either one.
An elimination diet is a very good idea. Get yourself calmed down and then add one food at a time.
Oats contain gluten .. I hope you are also avoiding gluten??
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Hi <<<<< Carol', and Lymetoo >>>>>,
As a modified low-carb, diabetic dietary person, I am seriously restricted food wise already.
After checking the links that were posted here and a couple others I am even more restricted now.
Other than an occasional Maize tortilla shell,no corn, carrots, peas ,or beets, they are all loaded with sugars and carbs. When i eat such things the blood glucose gets to high.
And I cannot take the lab created meds such as Metformin,or Glipizide ,they do a number on my Liver. Instead I am using GlycoX-berberine product and modified low carb diet with my Drs. okay.
I will check the Pea proteins and see about that,maybe the sugars are lower?
Almonds and most all nuts can be a Histamine trigger or release to be avoided [and darn I like almonds.]. And unfortunately Sardines and several other fish are considered High Histamine.
Supposedly, most fresh caught fish,as well as fresh meats properly cooked are 'okay'. As you pointed out Carol, there can be Mercury issues with fish, even fresh water fish.
And add to it, the drug and ABX pollution in lakes,streams and so on... one wonders if any food is safe???
Canned meats,cold cuts,sausages and so on,are on the -Avoid List- too.
And also Histamine Triggers to avoid are: strawberries, pineapples, bananas, avacados, chocolate, milk, nuts and shellfish. Chocolate is ...well I am basically addicted to dark chocolate.
On what is the -Good Low Histamine Food list is Oats among several things, and oats even oatmeal soap can cause me to go into anaphylactic shock.
Lymetoo, , you warned me back in 2006 that Oat/Aveenen was a Gluten,and I went Gluten Free. I have unwittingly got gluten w/o knowing it, because of hidden gluten. But I stay as far from gluten as possible.
Just learning about all these High Histamine-and food triggers, and it is hard to find things that are safe for me to eat.
I will have to ween off Dark chocolate now,most likely. I never know what will trigger,the IBS and IC. And even many supplements have Histamine producing things in them.
Top it off, w/ TxC's VA Disability Finance Wait Listing, My aged Dads failing health, and many other issues I wont go into, and I am/we are fighting stress big time. I stay close to the restroom, and don't get out really.
It's getting discouraging...as we try to keep our chins from scraping the ground. I am trying to figure out whats safe to eat and so on.
I'll try to check back in again soon...
Jus' Silverwolfi here
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I know, Silver. It's really hard finding things to eat. I worry about not being able to rotate my diet very much since I only have a few foods I can eat.
Stress is what sent my problem into a downward spiral last year. It was a temporary stressful event that was compounded by several other factors and away it went.
I ended up with hives and was close to anaphylaxis myself. Now I'm extremely sensitive to meds and never know when one will set me off.
I hope you guys get some good news from the VA soon.. it's criminal that they are making you wait so long.
Be sure to try Zantac for that stomach. It has an antihistamine effect and it will help.
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Hi <<<<< Lymetoo >>>>>,
The Diet rotation factor has us concerned as well. TxC' found out about a little shop that does meat butchering,so he's checking prices,and hoping to find some lamb, inexpensively. Not sure how that will work.
Lamb was a recommend on a couple of elimination diets,so I'll try that w/ green beans, and we'll see what happens. {drat TxC' just called they don't have lamb right now, he'll check back in a few days w/ the shop].
I lost my reply to this yesterday,and had to start over. I tried Zyrtec pre LD diagnosis, and it didn't do anything for me. Haven't tried Zantac yet, we'll have to check that out.
The anaphylaxis is frightening, I used to have an EPI-pen but it expired. I've had a Hobo spider bite[similar to brown recluse,I think]a few years back, and w/ the weird allergies that hit me, there's been some concerns.
I stay far from Oats, because I came so close to the Anaphylaxis from that, I literally couldn't breathe,and my chest tightened up,and was spasming.
Also wondering about some sort of Genetic issues MTHRFR or something similar. I get such odd reactions to medicines,so I know what you mean there.
As to the VA and disability benifits, Our Congresspersons VA Liaison has been trying to help. They told her we are probably looking at another 18 months or more,to even get an answer.
Right now,it seems like they are bouncing our file between a judge, the BVA,and the *American Legion* [ *A L* tries to help when VA/Govt. keep dragging Vets' files and procedures on and on].
I'm probably not explaining that the best, but it's a mess. We know many other veterans who are going thru this.
And don't get me started on 'Choice cards' [for outside medical treatment when there aren't enough specialists ] that they will not let the Veterans use... and then complain that no one uses them. Aaargh.
All I can say,is those that are delaying medical treatment,and proper funding for the Veterans will have to stand before God someday to answer.
Yes, It is in fact criminal, for certain. The loss of TxC's sister, and my dads heart condition aren't helping, the stresses. But what can one do??? So We pray... a lot!!!
Thanks for the reply and the commiseration, it helps to be able to talk it out a bit.
Jus' Silverwolfi here
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Silverwolf, what happens when you eat sardines? Have you tried them? I don't understand how eating them is different than eating salmon, except for the lower mercury.
I am not familiar with the histamine problem. How were you diagnosed with this. Perhaps you mentioned earlier, but I can't recall.
Regarding pea protein powder, peas are a good source of protein. I don't think they would affect your blood sugar, as they are high in fiber, which delays absorbtion.
As Lymetoo pointed out, pea protein likely doesn't taste like much just mixed with water. However, if mixed into soup or broth, it would be tasty. I guess that's why they also sell it with chocolate and vanilla flavorings.
How much Berberine are you taking daily? If this is keeping your blood sugar within normal range, what happens when you eat peas, carrots, or beets. Does your blood sugar go out of control?
If you are having continuous loose stools, have you looked into trying kefir? I know when I was drinking kefir a while back, my digestion improved, I had much less flatus and even the aroma improved.
Several people here have commented that they wouldn't even try kefir because they can't eat dairy. That shouldn't be much of a problem, because the bacteria that culture the milk convert the lactose into another form.
I think kefir costs about $4 per quart at the stores, but you can make it for half the price using powdered starter. You can also make it with fruit juice or sugar water...the bacteria convert the sugar.
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Fish, any meat, as soon as it dies certain bacteria start converting the amino acid histadine into histamine. Depending on how it was handled between harvest and canning can affect histamine content a lot.
I immensely enjoy kefir, but it is one of my worst offenders. The microbiological activity of anything fermented causes a much higher histamine content.
quote: Histamine and its precursor, histadine (along with other bioactive substances) are present in almost all foods in varying concentrations. However, foods that have been matured or fermented tend to have higher histamine contents.
This is due to the bacteria and yeasts that are involved in this maturation and/or fermentation process have the HDC enzyme required for the conversion of histadine (an amino acid – contained in any food with a significant amount of protein) to histamine.
High histamine concentrations are found in microbiologically produced foods such as mature cheese, sauerkraut, wine (particularly reds), or microbially contaminated protein-rich food such as fish, meat, and sausages.
Pea protein looks like a good alternative, priced about the same as hemp and whey. I read that it goes down very easily if mixed with extra water. The NOW brand has a lot of good reviews, but I would double check before purchasing as it appears the peas are sourced from China.
Fibers can cause blood sugar spikes in some people. No matter what is it, it's always a good idea to check it by the blood glucose meter.
Silverwolf, you may want to consider going "grain free" if you haven't already. Anaphylactic reactions are no joke, and there is tons of cross-contamination in the grain industry.
I also hope you get good news soon from the VA. My family members and their friends who go through VA have difficulties with nearly everything, it seems. Echoing Lymetoo, it is criminal.
Re the antihistamine effect of Zantac... the last time I got hives was the worst, I was covered from head to toe and thought I had a communicable rash! I'd never seen them so bad before. A round of prednisone with benadryl did nothing. As soon as I started the Zantac they disappeared!
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Hi there <<<<< Carol’ ,Lymetoo , and gz >>>>>, Lymetoo, thanks again for the links posted in reply #2 and reply #4, and the pea protein link in reply #19.
Gz, thanks for the link in reply #24 and the information on Histamine and meats. I am Gluten free, which includes most all grains, the cross contamination problem, is real, but gluten free product producers try to be aware of that to avoid cross contaminants in their products.
An even safer option is if one can find, the Celiac Foundation emblem on a product. It’s a guarantee of non- cross contamination. I also make sure there are no oats, even steel cut oats that some Gluten free folk can eat.
I am allergic to any form of oat. And sorry to hear that you are as well, it is scary. Welcome to the ‘Nirvana Diet’club, the no Oats Chapter. I will be doing more research on Gluten free ‘flour mixes’,such as chick pea and rice.
-------- Carol’, I usually find your comments, questions, and tho’ts very helpful, this time however, I think you have, perhaps, misunderstood the general gist of this topic and the conversations w/in it.
I have been reading on other LymeNet Topic posts about, Allergy/and Histamine Intolerance. And I had another post up from March 11th, about “foods I can’t eat,and allergies“, or similar wording.
If you are able to find the time, please read the links in the replies for this current topic that you are reading this on. It will clear up a lot of things for you, I think. You will see we are referring to a literal list of foods that are high in histamines, and cause a whole host of allergy type symptoms ,as well as diarrhea, indigestion and so on.
Also if you read back thru the replies,you’ll see various mention such things as Salicylate intolerance, and oat allergies. Of the protein sources you mention in your reply # 17, two of the three are on the Histamine Intolerance lists of foods to avoid.
There’s a couple of lists of foods to avoid, one is High Histamine level foods, the other is Low histamine foods that release or liberate the histamines [in this case releasing the histamines is not a good thing].
Then there is a third list, that is usually safe foods for those who might be, or are, Histamine intolerant. I have allergies to even some of those foods. I do not have a formal DX at this time, I have personal observation and experience, that I am going by. Obviously something is not good to eat, if it causes one allergy symptoms, diarrhea, and indigestion/heartburn every time it is consumed.
Per your question in reply#23, I never mentioned anything about sardines, or sardines and salmon together. I tried to answer back in reply #20, as per your protein sources mention in reply #17, that sardines were high in Histamine level.
If you will read carefully, Lymetoo explains in reply #18, that She does not eat sardines because of the high Histamine levels.
Now as to foods that I don’t eat on the restricted diet, TxCoord and I are on a Special Low Carb diet. We are instructed not to eat corn, carrots, peas or beets.
We do not eat/or use, sugar or sugar substitutes, with a few exceptions on my part, my diet is modified to meet my needs. TxCoord will explain more about this in a separate reply.
I have been on GlycoX /Berberine for at least a year and am still taking it. I take enough for my body, enough that my non LL Doctor is seeing the difference[in last blood tests], and wants me to continue. Dr is in the know and on board w/ my modified Low Carb diet as well.
The kefirs that we found while shopping are too high a sugar content, even for my modified diet. I do have a limited amount of natural sugars, in some fruits, and some dark chocolate[very limited], all carefully monitored. Fruit juices are too high in sugars, so I wouldn’t be making or using Kefirs per my dietary instructions of no sugars.
Back to Salmon and sardines for a moment, I have had sardines maybe 9 or 10 times in my life this starting in 2013. I do not know if they cause problems for me as yet. Much of my food problems, meats, fish, celery, eggs etc. started/in the last two months.
So I am trying to find out, from information here and elsewhere on the net, what might be causing allergy like symptoms.
Again if you are willing to go back thru this all ,and read the topic ,the links and the replies,it will hopefully clear things up for you. As you stated, “ I am not familiar with the histamine problem.”
TxC’ is helping me check on Pea protein, to see if the sugar content would be a problem for my diet. I know I skip back and forth, in the replies, and subject matter. I have ADD type issues [probably Lyme related],I obviously am not a good editor, and Autism spectrum disorder in my family, and in TxCoords as well.
I am doing the best I can to make sense of things, to learn what I can ,to help me recover my health as much as is possible. We are doing so on very limited income, My husband, TxCoords‘ SSDI.
All my medical expenses are out of pocket, we have tried to get insurance, and have others helping us look for a way to afford it.
So far we fall between the cracks, and I literally cannot afford health insurance. Professionals who are trying to help us, are at a loss, and agree we have fallen thru the cracks. We are literally that one pay check away from disaster at this point. And yes, we are trying to carefully manage our monies, difficult when keep a roof over head takes up almost half our monthly income.
This is getting too long, so I’ll get it posted, and TxC’ will come in later and explain more about the special diet, and over a thousand graduates of the diet plan, who are living a healthy life and diet style,now. Many of whom are no longer on prescription meds. Jus’ that Silverwolfi
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I would stay away from ALL fish unless it is caught FRESH.
Kefir and anything fermented is really really bad for those with histamine issues. I found out the hard way .. eating sauerkraut.
I'm not sure lamb is OK, Silver. Maybe. I do OK with "cornish game hens" because they are not filled with antibiotics and junk. I buy mine at WalMart ..
I am hoping to find some locally that would be fresher and cleaner.
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Just an update on the life style change we are in. I am being medically supervised by two doctors, 3 R.N.’s, 2-3 nutritionists and a nutritional med tech. I weigh in at the most every 3 weeks usually more often. At the weigh in, my temp, pulse and B/P are also logged.
Silver’s doctor is not only aware of the life style change we are in, but approves because of the improvement in her B/P and Blood sugar count. Women are allowed a higher carb count per day (20 and a little over depending on the person) and she tries to stay within it.
Every 4 months or so I visit with my dietary doc and she gives me a fairly good once over including a BMI. She wants to know what my problem areas are and how I am handling the change and if there are any other physical issues cropping up.
We are on a low carb diet (I’m under 15 carbs a day) that is a modified Atkins. I do not eat rice, taters, or noodles (unless it is Shiratake – GF and no carb) or bread with typical grains (all of these turn to starch which is not good). No sugar or sugar substitutes as the body does not differentiate when it comes to converting.
I am allowed 5-6 blueberries a day. Not ounces, individual blueberries. I can have 24 almonds, again 24 individual almonds. No other fruit (sugar) and no other nuts (carb count too high).
No corn, peas, beets, carrots – sugar issues.
It is a high fat diet, ergo butter is good, meat with marbling, bacon, eggs, fish, etc. Green leafy veggies are good too, but in the list that was given for histamine issues, spinach is in it – that makes our “can have” list a little shorter.
Silver’s issues with allergic reactions are so new that we did not know where to turn for answers so she posted her question here. Fortunately, we have checked the links provided for the histamine issue and it fits so we are adjusting her intake accordingly.
Like Lymetoo said, we don’t know if lamb will be suitable for the elimination diet and I spent a bit of time yesterday trying to find a butcher shop here that sells any. You can find lamb at the regular stores, but the price, per pound is astronomical and cost prohibitive.
It may just boil (no pun intended) down to maybe a chicken breast with the green beans (for Silver) and hope to get the issues under control.
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I am going to try cornish game hens! Never eaten them before. Always see them frozen, maybe they are frozen quickly after slaughter, which might halt the accumulation of histamines in the tissues?
I am seriously missing meat. Thanks Lymetoo! Do you have a favorite way to prepare them ?
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TxCoord and Silverwolf, your diets are how I've been eating for the last 5 years. Love my shirataki noodles! But add histamine intolerance and take carbs off the menu and things get a little tricky. I am very new to histamine intolerance myself.
Silverwolf, it's so great you are controlling blood glucose without meds! The pea protein is very low in carbs (Now brand has 1 gram) so probably okay. Sometimes protein can cause a glucose spike in some people, sometimes hours later, never know until you try it and test a bit.
Whey protein tends to spike insulin, something to keep in mind. Good for delivering nutrients before/post workout, but can mess with your glucose/insulin levels. Undenatured whey has immune boosting properties, so I add small amounts to my hemp protein shakes.
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I am sorry to hear others are going through this. I started developing allergies out of the blue last year and I thought I was going to lose my mind. First to Bactrim, then to shellfish (but reacted to fish too), then tested positive to xanthum gum. And I had already cut out gluten.
At this point I was terrified to eat. I cut way, way, back to a very basic diet. Chicken, rice, turkey, kale, grapes were on it and not much else. Then I slowly added in foods one by one. I didn't have any more full-on allergic reactions but some foods didn't feel right (oats, bananas, blueberries and some others). Dairy is something I can handle in small doses and only when I don't have a cold or anything.
Still, one year later, I eat a very restricted diet. There are still a lot of things I haven't added back in, either just haven't had a chance yet or am too scared to try. I avoid ALL additives in foods, and try to either avoid processed foods or eat ones with real ingredients I can understand. I am also very careful with the ingredients in my meds and supplements.
I also take SyAllgen daily.
Interestingly, we just redid my allergy test for xanthum gum and now my #s are normal. I haven't had a chance to talk with my allergist yet, so I have no idea what that means.
I've been interested in the posts about histamine and salicylates, and wondering if perhaps this is the common thread for me as well. How did you come to realize this was the issue for you? Is there a test or just going by what you react to?
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Hello to <<<<< Lymetoo,gz, and WPinVA >>>>>,
Lymetoo, the last link you posted is really info' packed, Thank you!! We are still investigating about Lamb, not sure if it will work,hard to know how fresh it is.
Gz, hope the Cornish Game hens work out,glad Lymetoo mentioned that another possible meat to try.
Since I had to go off Metformin, because of my liver I've been using GlycoX/berberine to help control Blood sugar,as well as a second formula that contains Gymnema.
It takes the special diet,and a combo of things for me to keep it under control. Thanks for the kudos!! We are checking into the pea proteins,and the hemp protein as well. Much will depend on our finances.
WPinVA,sorry to hear that you've been fighting this allergy/histamine mess too. It's no fun. For me,as I am just learning about it, and I don't have access to specialists, and so on, I am going on the basis of personal observation and experience.
My hubby,TxCoord, is a Veteran, and he's got some great Doctors helping w/ the diet. I am not VA so I don't qualify, but he asks questions for me. I go to a Slide Fee Clinic about every four months now.
Unfortunately, The Veterans Admin',is a mess right now,and 10's possibly 100's of thousands of Veterans and their families,are not getting the medical treatment they need,
and 10's of thousands, are being denied compensation for their disabilities. Sadly it hits us in the pocketbook. We are fighting back, but it takes years in most cases.
We feel fortunate, that TxCoord got into the Low Carb diet group, that he describes above.
Those of us, here ,on this topic thread, have been jokingly calling this 'the Nirvana Diet =Green Beans and Water'. Welcome to the club, it's not fun.
Extra hugs for us all <<<<< Lymetoo, gz, UKCarry, WPinVA, Hubby-TxCoord and me-Silverwolfi >>>>>, and anyone else trying to figure this all out.
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gz .. I just throw the chicken in a 9X9 glass pan with water and bake for an hour and 15 min .. give or take a few.
I haven't tried just boiling them because it doesn't appeal to me. I'd really like to get a pressure cooker to do it.
Regarding the proteins, I think it would be safer to go with pea protein than hemp.
I just happened upon the information when I got hives last year. From there I just did a lot of research and realized I had an issue with either salicylates or histamine.
Now I know I have both. My doctor was clueless... as most are. He's very good and very good at finding natural things to help instead of drugs but he knows nothing about all of this.
All of you responding here also need to research Mast Cell Activation Disorder. I have found MANY people on FB pages who have this AND LYME. Evidently Lyme can cause it. (same with the salicylates and histamine)
I have only had a test for histamine thus far and of course it came back "normal." That's the story of my life.
At the root of all of this is the condition of our gut. I know that most of my troubles began when I fell off my candida diet .. though I think I've had this for many many years.
PS .. I'm currently being treated by my allergist who is also clueless but considers this to be an auto-immune problem so at least he treats the symptoms.
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Silverwolf, I didn't mean to upset you with my questions about your diet. In working with patients, I learned to ask a lot of questions about all aspects of the problem.
Asking questions helps the nurse or doctor figure out all the symptoms, what the patient has done so far that helped (or hurt), and how much they understand about the suggestions they are given.
I couldn't figure out why you were deleting so many foods from your diet when you didn't know if they were actually causing a problem. That's why I asked
===== How much Berberine are you taking daily? If this is keeping your blood sugar within normal range, what happens when you eat peas, carrots, or beets. Does your blood sugar go out of control?
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I think I misread what you wrote about salmon, and I thought you were able to eat it, but didn't want to try sardines. I see now that canned fish are included in lists of foods that may be high in histadine.
I did some reading at thatpaleoguy.com and all I can say is yikes.
You asked if tomatoes have protein.....no, they don't. Several people mentioned cornish game hens. Be sure to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_game_hen It's a small chicken!
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Yes, I know it's a young chicken. It seems to be cleaner than the other crummy chicken in the stores. I figured that because they don't fatten the chickens, they are not "as full" of chemicals and junk.
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Hi there <<<<< Carol', Lymetoo, gz, WPinVA, and anyone else who may be reading >>>>>,
Lymetoo, thanks for the link info', I'll be checking more things shortly!! I greatly appreciate the help finding info', Lately I can't seem to connect things very well.
I actually just had a brief interview, for getting hearing aids, which usually takes about 18 months,so we'll see what happens.
There are a couple of Groups here that are trying to help fill in the gaps for those of us that don't qualify for SSDI/SSI medicare/medicaid ,and so on. So hopefully I can get the hearing aids,and maybe upgraded glasses[mine are over ten years old]. I don't know if it will help the brain fog go away?!
Carol, thanks for coming back in an reading some of the info'! Hubby TxCoord's reply ,will tell you what we do and don't eat in general,on our specialized dietary lifestyle.
As a Diabetic,both hubby and myself, we were counseled not to eat the veggies that I mentioned.The paternal side of my family is riddled w/ Diabetes, the Maternal is not,but Maternal Grandmothers para-thyroid glands literally rotted, after surgery she was treated w/ Diabetic meds and diet, tho' she was not diabetic.
Most of us were told, no corn,peas,beats,or carrots, even with meds or in my case supplements to help keep it under control. My diet and TxC's is a Low Carb Diet, mine is more modified than TxCoords. He can explain more if you need,but his reply should give you the basics.
I will still be checking into pea protein,and a few other things, checking carb counts,sugars and so on.
Carol, Your questions,were seeming almost like an interrogation to me, and it puzzled me.[ My cousin is an RN,as is a friend of ours.].
I am slowly checking learning, and finding out what is causing me issues, and if a food, causes me issues, I will be giving it up. That's why I'm going to do an elimination diet.
Lyme Disease Neuroborellosis[sp?],Bartonella, and Babesia,w/ Diabetes; IBS, IC, FMS/CFIDS symptomologies, tendon issues, and much more have given me an overflowing platter to deal with, like many others here on LymeNet.
Again,I am glad you came back in to check on all this! I've always found your replies helpful before this. Lyme Disease and it's co-infections, can cause so many problems. Sometimes it is discouraging to say the least.
Gz, and WPinVA, hope y'all are doing okay, and can find answers that will help !!!
I'm sure my posts and replies must all be clear as mud,as the old saying goes. Between brainfog, and Neuro' issues w/ brain lesions on my Limbic system area ,among other things ,I am a bit scrambled.
Onward I go, trying not to trip over invisible lint... or as some folk from my former adopted state would say : 'Squirrel... because I'm a Potato.'. Now tho', I live amongst cactus and palm trees so I might be a Coconut, and other random tho'ts.
Back to the allergy/high histamine issues, I'm hoping that I can find helpful answers,and don't have to give up too many foods. Off to research,read,and rest. BBL...
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Jus' me again, the stresses,and 'Lyme ADD' are in full swing for me today... sorry the reply is so long. I can't express things as succinctly as I would like.
Editing in for a moment: Lymetoo, I was just checking on that leaky gut link... wow... definitely gotta research this more. I noticed a lot about proteins.
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I think an elimination diet may help you, eapecially if you make sure that food's high in histamine are also excluded. When I did an elimination diet though, I was so varied as to how ill I was with the Lyme that I couldn't decipher what were food reactions and what weren't!
It may be worth trying out a test period of avoiding the worst histamine culprits and making sure that any meat or fish you eat is bang fresh....and no leftovers. Then, if histamine is involved, you may have 'emptied the bucket' enough to try some of the foods out one by one.
By the way, unless my memory serves me badly, kefir and other fermented foods are very high in histamine.
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Hello <<<<< ukcarry, and Lymetoo, and Any one else who may be reading >>>>>,
TxC' had to do an errand and a little shopping, but he and I are discussing possible safe alternatives for me,for an elimination diet. Green beans will be a part of it.
Lymetoo, thanks for the newest link, I'll be checking it shortly, as I had an attack of what seems to be 'MCS flu' its been an Imodium couple of days.
And this morning I was checking hair and skin care products... it is scary what is in supposedly safe products. Mine had Salicylates, and also Sorbitol. The Sorbitol can cause diarrhea if one gets much of it.
When I was firts DX'ed w/ Diabetes , some of the Sorbitol and Manitol candies had warnings about diarrhea, if one got to much of the candies. I don't do sugar substitutes at all now w/ the Low carb' Lifestyle diet we're on.
It got me thinking tho', and now I wonder, i'm figuring that maybe Histamine Intolerance and MCS might just be a hand in hand type of thing, w/ Each problem worsening the other.
Gotta check that link... BBL
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Hi there <<<<< Allergies/ and Histamine Intolerance folk >>>>>,
After reading thru lists of symptoms, Good foods,and bad foods ,for allergies and intolerances, I am trying to find some way to balance everything.
For many of us w/ budgetary constraints, this can be/could be very challenging.
I am still blown away w/ all the things that have salicylates in them. Why pray tell,does this aspirin type chemical need to be added to hair care products for instance??
Or why do they add sorbitol [ can cause diarrhea in those who may be sensitive ] to so many things? Chemicals can enter our systems thru our skin and hair too.
And why don't they make safer products,and foods at a lower more economical price? I don't get to get out to go shopping or much of anything else right now. So Hubby/TxC' gets what he can find as afford-ably as possible.
He checks labels,but misses things sometimes as he is totally blind in his right eye. And Neuropathy issues can make holding on to some things difficult for him.
Life is getting more and more challenging, but we keep on keeping on. It's certainly not boring.
Just thinking out loud/in type here. I do hope each one who has been following this topic thread is finding help and answers. I'd love to know what you find that helps,and I will try to share things we find helpful too.
I'll check in later again...
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Lymetoo, are you still following a diet for histamine and salicylate intolerance? Have you seen improvements?
I did cut out histamines as far as possible for a couple of months and am still avoiding some of them, but was not sure how much it helped.
At the moment, however, I am getting more and more eczema, burning mouth syndrome as well as continued gastro problems and am thinking of trying out a low histamine AND low salicylate diet for a period.
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Yikes, looks like there's lots of everyday stuff with salicylates. I think I'm sensitive to those also, most certainly if I ingest them. I saw coconut oil mentioned as something high in it. I used to eat it often straight on an empty stomach and get flushed, I thought it was from it's possible effects on metabolism . Aspirin definitely gets me.
For WPinVA, my histamine intolerance is all observation. I became aware of it four years ago when I started reacting to chicken. I thought it might be one of the aminos in it. Now practically everything sets me off.
Years before that I should have had a clue, when I used to drink at one point I suddenly could not tolerate a single sip of wine or beer, instant histamine intolerance. That was around when I developed fibromyalgia and other lyme sx.
Lymetoo, can you say why some think we shouldn't restrict for too long? I think if we eat foods that cause immune irritation even on occasion, we just add to the inflammation and set ourselves up to having even worse reactions to said foods. Perhaps I'm missing something really important?
I've read some about mast cell activation, that's what got me so worried about all of this to begin with. I have MCS also. Right now I am trying to not irritate this stuff while I get lyme and co's out of the way, I'm really hoping getting rid of lyme will get rid of the histamine issues.
I had dinner the other day and ate a plate of food without having any reactions. Fresh roasted turkey, fresh asparagus, and just a tiny bite of sweet potato. Too bad that with turkey there are always leftovers!
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Sorry to hear that you haven't (yet) reached a point where you can make small deviations from time to time, Lymetoo I suspect that I may be like that. Many of my warning symptoms have been around for years, but are worsening.
Silverwolf, I so agree with you about the unnecessary ingredients added to things. Why does a beta blocker have to have lactose in it? Why do so many medications and foodstuffs add aspartame, known to be one of the most risky sweeteners?
I hope everyone manages to find something to treat themselves with for Easter!
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quote:Originally posted by gz: Lymetoo, can you say why some think we shouldn't restrict for too long? I think if we eat foods that cause immune irritation even on occasion, we just add to the inflammation and set ourselves up to having even worse reactions to said foods. Perhaps I'm missing something really important?
- I believe it's because the green foods are healing .. but it depends upon how severely the foods are affecting you.
The Low Histamine Chef (Yasmina) was healed by adding green foods and foods that are natural anti-histamines. (for example: broccoli)
It's really complex and I don't see how I can do what she did. I just haven't been able to see a way to do it since I react too severely.
Also, if you over-use anti-histamines, you run the risk of making things worse because anti-histamines reduce the DAO enzyme which is needed to stop the histamine reaction. (sheesh!)
So I have been sprouting my own pea sprouts because they provide natural DAO. You can also take DAO supplements but I don't tolerate Vit C and all of them contain C.
One thing I've been using is Living Clay .. it's a bentonite clay. It seems to be helping.
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