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I've been prescribed Cymbalta for anxiety and depression. I really don't want to, but I have no choice right now. I have to do something for a while at least.
What should I expect, what are the dangers (besides it making me suicidal wtf!), and what kinds of herbs should I NOT take with it? Should I take milk thistle or will that mess with it's effects?
I've also been prescribed Ambien. I haven't slept more than 3 hours/night in over a month. My legs got weak yesterday and I have tried every otc sleep aid available, including Hylands calms which is relaxing but I was up after 2 hours.
Are these drugs gonna make me sicker? Should I stop the Buhner herbs?
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- By your post history, it appears you do not have a LLMD or LL ND and are going this alone with your regular PCP doing the other stuff?
If you are going to add Ambien and Cymbalta, I would stop all herbs. I would absolutely not take them, too much chance of them just not working together.
And, if there is a problem, you can bet any doctor or ER will blame the herb (putting us all at risk of loosing the right to choose herbs) and just ignore the fact that either / both of those Rx can cause a lot of serious side effects.
Ambien can CAUSE depression, that's important to know. Sorry. I know this feels awful . . . yet the clouds will clear. It just will take some time.
Personally, those kinds of Rx were just horrible for me long ago. Horrible defined by nearly costing me my life. For both Ambien and for a cousin of Cymbalta, at different times. That anything has the kind of warnings they have is very concerning.
You ask about Milk Thistle. That one should be okay yet, still, it can't work magic. Some kind of liver support is important but professional guidance is best.
I did so much better with herbs than any Rx for symptom relief. There are choices that are safer.
Are you still taking a LOT of ginger as you posted last May? That can be VERY stimulating and cause insomnia.
If, by chance, you sleep near a cell phone - even in your room - that can cause all kinds of mood / sleep trouble.
My concern, though, is that you are not really doing "Buhner herbs" but just three that he [and dozens of other herbalists] write about. So, if you can take a little time and look over them, it will help so much to know how to make this work when you are ready.
Buhner has VERY specific information about how to take certain herbs so even if you aren't doing one of the full protocols he outline. You can take these as others may suggest but to benefit the most, however you can, I hope you can get his books.
Nov. 4, just a couple weeks ago, you posted:
"recently purchased a big bag of
Houttunyia powder from 1st Chinese and
Woodland Essence's Sida and
Hawthorne extracts.
Thing is, I'm not sure how much to take and I have no idea what to do with the powder.
Anyone out there do Buhner's Bart protocol and know what to do with the powder? Do you dump it in a mug of hot water?" (end lymeboy excerpt).
So, there was one specific reply, yet if you don't have the book, consult his website. There are various excellent herbalist sites to consult but, first, I really hope you can get Buhner's books or take a few hours to read up ALL that he posts on his websites about each.
I think it is essential to read all about any herb you take. His books have extensive chapters that are so important. Your local lyme support group may have his books to loan, please check with them. -
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- Magnesium deficiency could be the root of the awful symptoms. Please consider this before taking any mood / sleep drugs.
Your closest natural foods store will carry various kinds of magnesium and likely one or two good brands of skullcap tincture. Herb Pharm or Gaia herbs both good.
This is a different kind of skullcap than that Buhner mentions. For anxiety, sleep, you need this kind, though.
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- Of the herbs you mention, Hawthorn is the most centering, calming & nourishing for the heart.
Skullcap tincture is more calming, though (search it in the One Earth Herbal book). Still, I would not mix it with mood or brain chemistry altering Rx without the guidance of a good naturopathic doctor or herbalist.
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- While the question of taking herbs and the two Rx you mention makes me very concerned . . . tea should be just fine and have some medicinal support.
The wellness department staff in your closest "natural foods" market can suggest the best brands - be very careful with tea that you have a reputable source, organic. Some food markets also have tea in the BULK section, too. Whole leaf, loose tea is best. Try not to crush it if you scoop it out from a bin.
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- Not sure if you are gluten-free. If not, that could be a wonderful approach to help your mood, comfort level and sleep. Really. Details here, scroll down to the articles on wheat (but be aware gluten is in far more than just wheat).
This is so worth it. Going gluten free lifted depression for me & decreased pain, too. Of course, with lyme / TBD, it may not be a lotto hit but it was a major world shift for my brain, in a wonderful way.
The "excitotoxins" in some processed foods can also be causing some of your symptoms.
Separate discussion: nutrients. Be sure you get the very best in good foods, include meat (from free grazing, ranging animals) . . .eggs from pastured hens, etc. Sardines, wild salmon (Wild Planet is a good brand for canned).;
Two servings of bright colorful veggies (good carbs to carry you through) with every meal and one with each snack. As Buhner mentions in one of his coinfections books, these infections rob us of nutrients and we must have excellent food to replenish. -
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- If you happen to have a vinyl shower curtain, I suggest getting it out of your home immediately. I found this out the hard way. Even after airing one out out-of-doors one spring, when I brought it in after a few days, I got terribly depressed. It took me a while to figure this out. It was the vinyl shower curtain.
Other petroleum products can do this, too.
If you have GAS water heater, furnace or GAS STOVE, be sure to air flush your home 2 x a day. And turn on the exhaust fan on stove top prior to turning on the burner and just before turning off.
Gas (well, the stuff the put in with it, too) can cause depression for some of us. Keep the fresh air moving in your home, even for just a minute or two with a cross ventilation "air flush" morning and evening. Upper level, too. -
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Yes Keebler, I did exactly that. Ordered the 3 I could afford and went to town. I ordered the book last week, it should be here soon. I was using the dosage and herb info from his website.
Honestly, I've been depressed for years. Probably long before I got sick. Definitely. I feel so averted to these drugs, particularly anti-depressants. But I need serious help right now. I have to get myself together and I am barely able to function properly. I feel I have to do this because I'm afraid of dying. Not only that, I haven't gotten hold of my depression or really addressed it on a human level until recently. Lyme ruined my life for sure, but in turn I've ruined my relationships and trusted loved ones. I need sleep desperately. I dunno how many more days I can do it. I will do whatever I have to do to get straight.
I will not take the antidepressant until tomorrow. I took Sam-e today and that didn't turn out so great at all. Tonight though, I need to sleep. For a long time.
I haven't taken any Hottuynia today. I will stop all herbs until I have a better idea of what to do here. I cannot think straight.
I've been all over the map here on Lymenet as well. I've explored I think 3 different treatment options in a few days. I'm really getting desperate. But I assure you I will not do anything until I've sorted out these scripts. For now, I need to suck it up and get level. I will get rid of the Cymbalta as soon as I am better. The Ambien is what I think I need for tonight. Not sure what's next but I am certain it is time to address my adrenals, which were depleted long ago. That is really my next chapter. I also want to try Megahydrate, which a LOT of people are raving about. I have some coming with the book.
I am very thankful for you Keebler. You are a special kind of person. Today honestly I am not able to read all the posts but I will pretty soon. I've been very touched by your effort to help. This is a rough patch for me, and I haven't been nice to myself.
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- lymeboy,
One breath at time . . . just one breath at a time. I can't say all I'd like as hands are just screaming so I cut to the chase.
Sam-e can really "wire" someone with lyme - sure did for me. I could have flown to the moon it was that stimulating for me.
Generally, ANYTHING that promised energy should be avoided, I think - and go for the base nutrient support. CORDYCEPS was far better for me than Sam-e. Much more stable and helped in subtle ways for energy and uplifting mood.
Hopefully, Same-e is not super charging for you but do not take it too late in the afternoon and go for a low dose if you feel it zoom you even a short bit.
Hey, the posts are mainly there for your reference page . . . it will take time to work though some of the things. I just didn't want to forget some of the things that made a different for me in regard to what you are going through.
Be nice to yourself in how you think of yourself. This is a very rough & tumble place to be - and - my hands demand I stop. Feel love in your heart for yourself. -
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yea, Sam-e really whacked me out. WAAAYYY to much and not uplifting at all. Anxiety.
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- You are most welcome (for whatever little bit my words may help) . . . just please do read about any Rx you think of taking, read from at least 5 or 6 sources as much as you can before you make a decision.
Best of luck . . . and sweet dreams. Mamas and Papas come to mind: "sweet Dreams, la, la, la, la, la . . . ." -
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Cymbalta is really hard to get off of .. so if you don't feel better in a few weeks.. well.. you know.
I would suggest trying high quality magnesium too.
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magnesium along with the cymbalta?
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- Magnesium first. See how that works [along with other good self-care, gluten free diet, nutrients, etc]. There is a good chance that magnesium deficiency & other nutrient imbalance are the root of this. Start there. The links explain so much more.
Have you had your thyroid tested? That can also be one cause of anxiety / depression. But beware that a T3 Rx, Cytomel, can cause serious mood shifts when it wears off mid afternoon, especially. A blend of T3 & T4 in Armour or NatureThroid is best.
I would do everything possible to avoid the mood Rx. It will do nothing to address the underlying cause. -
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could you give me a link to what kind of Magnesium? I have been using Magnesium Glycenate, by KAL. I also take epsom baths quite often and I do Salt-c, which has mag...
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- Glycinate is good & KAL is a good brand. Just be sure it's 3 - 4 x day. Never all at once. And you might need up between 1,000 mg - 2,000 mg total day amount. Most amounts suggested are just too low. But do not go over 2,000 mg a day.
Next time at doctor: ask for an intracellular red blood cell magnesium test
The liquid can act faster. There is a liquid that LymeToo suggests, I think it's ReMag.
The articles are so important to read, too. Good luck.
Still, adding SKULLCAP TINCTURE for your situation now - in the evenings - seems like it would be especially helpful. See notes a few posts above.
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ambien almost put me in the hospital and cymbalta, i just couldn't tolerate.
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I took 2 ambien last night and awoke after 4.5 hrs. I guess I won't be taking that again.
All my tests were clear, liver, thyroid, blood count, HIV, everything is good except Mono. I tested positive for mono. Not really sure what to say about that one. She prescribed Valtrex. Which in the past has been pretty helpful. I do not have herpes. Former LLMD gave it to me and it seemed to reduce a lot of my symptoms after initial herxing. Does this make sense at all?
I don't take make more than once a day and I had stopped because I was afraid it was feeding Lyme.
I really don't want to keep taking Cymbalta but I am afraid this depression will not lift and I will waste away from sleep deprivation. Sorry to chew up this board lately but I am really very beside myself.
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- Two ambien is not better than one. Be very, very careful with that. If you drive, put your car keys up away high where you can't get them if you sleep walk. Ambien can cause sleep walking and even sleep driving - it's happened to several. So be sure to make it impossible to get hold of your keys in a groggy state.
Oh, I did not know you started taking ambien (or Cymbalta). Probably should NOT take skullcap herb, then.
" really don't want to keep taking Cymbalta" (end quote)
another "oh" . . . "keep taking" ? as I did not know you even got that prescription filled. You had just posted that you had "been prescribed" both but did not know already taking either one.
I just don't feel comfortable suggesting herbs along with the kinds of Rx that alter brain chemistry as ambien and Cymbalta do.
I don't know enough about all this. As budget is tight, you might see if there is a naturopathic clinic near you where they might offer sliding scale appointments. -
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- "Valtrex" - I'm not sure where you got the impression that would "feed lyme" as many with lyme also take this and it's very helpful for some. Some cannot tolerate it, though but it seemed to help you.
Herpes, well, nearly everyone has some form of herpes but also, with lyme, there are other viruses so that is why you may have felt it helped you. Yes, that makes sense, especially since you do know about the EBV (mono).
but if it is to be taken more than once a day, you can't slide by cutting the dose or frequency. Take as prescribed for the best results. Otherwise, the viruses can just develop resistence to it very easily on too low a dose or too low a blood level.
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quote:Originally posted by lymeboy: I took 2 ambien last night and awoke after 4.5 hrs. I guess I won't be taking that again.
- No, I wouldn't take 2 Ambien either. No way.
I take 2/3 of one, and the other third when I wake up in the night. I also take melatonin. I like the NOW brand though it is not time-released. I take another in the middle of the night if I need to.
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Lymeboy .. This may be a long shot, but I found it to be very important in my case.
I found out that I'm very sensitive to salicylates and to foods high in oxalates and histamine.
If I eat foods high in salicylates I get a multitude of symptoms .. one of which is insomnia. Same with eating foods high in histamine. So check those out and take a look at your diet. Candida will also keep you awake.
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I started Cymbalta yesterday. I don't know if I can bring myself to take it again today. I m so anxiety riddled, I cannot think straight. I am afraid of collapsing or having a heart attack. my chest is pounding constantly.
I don't know what to do. I feel stuck in a loop of anxiety. I'm losing my mind. I can't sleep more than 2 hrs at a time.
I want to keep with the antidepressant to see if it will help but it seems to give me more things to ruminate even harder about. I will try the magnesium as suggested by Keebler, and maybe look for some skullcap nearby.
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- Did you start with a very, very low dose? For many with lyme who are very sensitive to so many brain chemical altering meds, 1/4 of the lowest dose tablet is a good place to begin. It's harder if a capsule, of course.
Maybe the dose was just too high for you. If you think you want to continue it, drop it way down.
FOOD - key place to focus.
What are you planning for your dinner? Then, have you got tomorrow's meals and snacks all lined up?
If you need a quick snack, fix some eggs or grab a can of sardines.
Can you get a friend to come over and help and keep you somewhat occupied with conversation or songs from your favorite years?
Good meat, two colors of veggies, wild rice with butter / olive oil - and maybe a tart apple or blue berries for dessert.
Nice garden herbs or gentle spices that make this all delicious. The culinary herbs & spices are VERY important to balance mood, actually. They help our brains to feel happy and appreciate deliciousness and that helps in so many other ways.
Wild Salmon or sardines, etc.
Right now, the most important thing is to focus on really good healthful food, enough of it and be sure enough protein, different kinds of complex carbs and good fats.
Deep diaphragmatic breathing, slow, steady.
Some green tea . . . something warm.
If you decide not to continue with Rx, Please wait to take any kind of herb until the Cymbalta is out of your system. You don't want to play chemistry lab by mixing. This is really important.
Magnesium should be fine and be sure to take it 3 - 4 x day.
Sometimes, we just have wait it out a bit and focus on getting nutrients into us, lying down in the dark with gentle music and just breathe.
That can be very powerful relaxation once we over the first bumps.
Once your body has some good food and can rest a bit, you may be able to better determine what to do next. But slow & steady is key.
Lavender scent can help with relaxation. -
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- Be sure you are not taking a Niacin / B3 supplement (or if it's in a formula be sure it's very low amount). That can cause overstimulation.
Bee Pollen can also zoom you to the moon.
You're not still taking Sam-e, I hope. It sounded like you stopped that but just want to be sure as it can aggravate anxiety.
Be sure you aren't taking ANY supplements that are to increase or boost energy. If that is a promise they make in their advertising, just say NO.
Adrenal support is very different, though, as it . . . well, gently supports. But there is one that can be too stimulation for some of us. If you happen to be taking Rhodiola, I suggest stopping that and going to a more gentle adrenal support such as cordyceps or aswagandha.
If you take a vitamin formula or powdered or bar meal replacement (don't, food is best) but be sure it does not contain glutamine or the other two amino acids here:
See post: Caution: Aspartate; Glutamine; and Phenylalanine (3 excitatory amino acids that can be wrong for us when added as supplements, beyond a normal dietary level)
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No Sam-e, no Cymbalta for today. I want to try the mag and see if it helps reduce the anxiety. I do need to stabilize my mood though, and in this case I will NOT use cannabis because this is too physiological. I don't want to mess too hard with my brain. I just want to get all the bad stuff out of my system and then maybe go back to an antidepressant or something...
I took Sam-e just once, no good. Next day I took nothing. following day I took Cymbalta which didn't tweak me at all, but I got freaked out about all the other herbs that may've been in my system.
At this point, my insides are vibrating. I am scared to take the Valtrex, but I must. The probelm there is that I can only take it for 21 days, that is all the script is for. So I dunno if I can even get the benefits of them.
This is insane. I need off of this merry-go-round soon. The anxiety of trying to keep this all together just compounds what was already there, which is pretty bad.ugh
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- My brain seems confused as I thought you reported Cymbalta cause problems with your first dose. Now, you say it's fine.
If it's fine, it may - well - fine for you then.
I'm confused by your saying "got freaked out about all the other herbs that may've been in my system. " (end quote)
Since you didn't list those I'm not sure to which you refer.
Some guidelines:
1. starting dose for anything (other than acute serious infection such as strep, etc).
low dose, see how you do
2. one thing at a time
Do not start two different things at once
3. know difference between herbs and nutrients.
Magnesium is not an herb. It is a nutrient. Although, many herbs (and most taken for lyme support) are rich in key nutrients . . . they are concentrated foods intended to feed the cells of our organs.
Some herbs have action in addition to nutrition. Some can calm; some can stimulate.
When you start one at a time, it is easier to tell if one will work for your body at that point in time.
The source, quality matters greatly. There are some excellent nutrients and herbs on the market but also some cheap crap that is just a marketing ploy. That's why I try to provide so many reference links so these differences can be clear.
AVOID ANYTHING THAT PROMISES A QUICK BOOST IN MOOD OR ENERGY -- or promises to knock you out - it will likely come back to bite you. Gentle support matters most.
4. Nothing is going to be magic right now. I'm sorry to say. There is likely no Rx, recreational drug like pot, nor herb or nutrient that is all of the sudden going to transport you into the land where all feels all better right now.
I know that is very hard to hear. Decades ago, when I could barely stand being in my own skin I was grasping for something to pull me out of the deep pit. Over time, I realized -- for my body -- none of the mood drugs were the answer for me.
Some would calm me for a short time and then "vibrate" my insides like a circus show later. Turns out, my liver does not process a certain kind of drug.
Some kinds of mood Rx may be for your body, though. But start low and slow.
If you feel an after "shock" for anything, don't throw the kitchen sink at yourself, so to speak. REST, take care of yourself and it will settle down, likely.
Some liver support, though, can help - such as Milk Thistle to help your body with glutathione to clear out "trash" easier. But good self care is the main focus.
Magnesium can also be a very nice "emergency" help but it's still going to be a lower level base sort of support that take time.
5. FOOD is key. As you work through all this - and there can be a calm on the other side - the best thing you can do is plan your meals and snacks to have well balanced, delicious home made meals.
If you need help, do ask your friends / family. Nutrition starts with good food.
BLOOD SUGAR drops are very common with infection. Adrenal exhaustion often means we grab food that is not so good for us. Plan. Plan. Plan. But also put food high on you list of what CAN pull you out of the pit now.
DEEP SLOW BREATHING is a good tool.
And just feel hope in your heart that then can work out. Really. -
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I apologize. I'm so all over the place I realize I'm not doing a good job explaining.
I took Cymbalta. One dose. It did not increase the anxiety and craziness that was already there.
However, I got freaked out and decided to give it some more time and try to work the Buhner herbs out of my system before even making a decision.
The Cymbalta didn't seem to increase the anxiety but the next day I was again a basket case.
A big problem here is definitely sleep. I am not sleeping through the night and I'm suffering. But also perhaps a big herx from the herbs that I just jumped into without warning.
I really don't know. I have some hunches but that is all they are. I need a LLMD but I'm out of money. Have been for some time. Lyme treatment is not sustainable. And that fact adds to the despair.
I do NOT want to take the mood drugs. I want to stop being so crazy though, and I'd really like to know this will go away. But it won't...
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Have you tried melatonin yet? ...and have you tried tricyclic anti-depressants? They are much safer than others.
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I used to use Melatonin for a while and then it started waking me up at the same time every night. So I stopped it. I'd been getting ok sleep for a while but I haven't slept a full night in almost half a year.
Tricyclic antidepressants might be good, but that'd be another script. I'm wondering if my money would be better spent saving toward a LLMD and perhaps another PICC line. I have to think straight now and prioritize before I wind up broke and in a lot of trouble.
Part of my issue is not knowing how to proceed. I am a big mess right now!
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- Melatonin is a far safer way to go - AND it has multiple health benefits for the brain. You might start with 2 - 3 mg. on hour prior to bed -- and avoid light into your eyes as bedtime nears.
Be sure to have cell phone and computers out of bedroom - and all other electrical things unplugged or the power strip turned off in bedroom so you can get better sleep, too.
You can take a smaller dose of melatonin if you wake up if it's not too close to morning.
There are some 1 mg sublingual tablets - or drops that work well for this. Or break off just a tiny bit of a 3 mg. melatonin tablet and set that tiny bit aside if you need it later.
One cause of sleep disturbance can be low blood sugar. You might eat a light snack of something like Quinoa and a little vegetable about 8 or 9 pm. some protein, complex carb and fat are important and that kind of snack has it all.
I hope you can feel some relief soon. Take care. -
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Really examine your gut issues .. really affects brain health and sleep. Taking more antibiotics could make you worse if in fact your main problem is the gut.
Just a thought.
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I agree Lymetoo. I do not have bad instestinal discomfort, but I do have other symptoms. Particularly bad congestion after eating. I do get white coating in back of my tongue at times.
My biggest concern would be to start the yeast cleanse and lose more weight, because I am down so low.
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lymeboy...
In another thread we discussed mild hyperbaric...if you are willing to consider that again, I will help you...
I remember the internal vibrating, severe anxiety and insomnia that you mention. It is hell, and I am compelled to try to help anyone out of that place.
If you can get a few people together to share a chamber, it can be more affordable...usually much less than many people are spending monthly on supplements, etc...
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- Glad to hear the herbs were those described in Buhner's books. Trusted information and good herbs in all his books.
Over the years, I've taken just about every one he's written about and you wondered about "working out of your system" -- that should happen in about 8 hours for most herbs, a day at the most. They are food, after all.
Rx for sleep / mood, on the other hand may also work out of the body within a day or so but if it alters brain chemistry as some do, that can take longer not exactly to "wear off" but to have the brain "recalibrate" so to speak. It could take a week or so, as I recall from the past times with some I tried.
But, always, a good meal helps.
As for the "vibrate" experience -- one reason I push rest and quiet is that the adrenal system is likely also involved and that "fight or flight" cortisol rush . . . . so that's also why adrenal support matters while the infections are also being addressed.
Adrenals can be so "wired" by anything that alters brain chemistry, or pushes energy / alertness / mood (or even sedation, sometimes, for some as it can boomerang) -
when anything forces the cortisol to increase (and stress alone can do that) - may contribute to that "vibrate" stuff - though there are likely many factors to it, including nutrient depletion . . . inflammation . . . toxicity (so liver support is essential).
I hope your weekend brings some sense of calm, balance and enjoyment -- appreciation of beauty in some ways. Take care.
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As always, you are a huge help Keebler. I am mostly concerned right now about my weight loss. I am eating. Not sure why I've lost so much. It is freaking me the heck out.
Phoiph, This is something I will definitely be interested in trying, once I've sorted out my issues with this weight loss. I cannot think about anything else right now. But I am definitely curious about your ideas. I do not have any local friends that have Lyme. But I am interested in hearing your ideas!
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quote:Originally posted by lymeboy: I've been prescribed Cymbalta for anxiety and depression. I really don't want to, but I have no choice right now. I have to do something for a while at least.
What should I expect, what are the dangers (besides it making me suicidal wtf!), and what kinds of herbs should I NOT take with it? Should I take milk thistle or will that mess with it's effects?
I've also been prescribed Ambien. I haven't slept more than 3 hours/night in over a month. My legs got weak yesterday and I have tried every otc sleep aid available, including Hylands calms which is relaxing but I was up after 2 hours.
Are these drugs gonna make me sicker? Should I stop the Buhner herbs?
Just my two cents, but I would avoid taking those types of drugs unless you have to xhausted all other options.
I was on a cocktail of cymbalta, celexa and trazadone. I am currently in the process of tapering off them all and it is excruciating.
For some backstory, I was put on Prozac in my teens. Since then I have battled major depressive episodes my entire life. I am finally trying to get off these Meds and after Lyme, it's the hardest thing I have ever done.
These drugs are great for short term effects. They may save the life of some people with suicidal thoughts. But what they will not do is offer a lifetime of wellness.
If anybody is interested in the long term effects of many of the antidepressants, anti-anxiety, and anti-psychotic Meds, I highly recommend the book anatomy of an epidemic. The pharmaceutical industry is raking in money getting doctors to prescribe these Meds, when 30 years of data show pretty poor outcomes for people hooked on them.
That being said, anyone who feels suicidal or extremely depressed should take the advice of their doctors. I just worry about Lyme patients getting these drugs just so that the doctor feels they are doing 'something.'
I stopped my cymbalta because it provided no relief for my fibromyalgia symptoms. Sometimes I have trouble sleeping, but I've been taking magnesium and melatonin.
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