Topic: Liposomal Vit C inexpensive help for chronic diseases
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Another funny thing is happening on my small toes. Their nails have had a very strange shape for the last 15-20 years.
One toe had barely any nail, as it usually breaks. I wonder if this was not nail fungus.
It could be, as I suffer from skin candida on and off for 30 years.
It comes in winter, every year, for about 30 years...
So the nail malformation could be from fungus, I suppose...
Well, now the nail got black!!! I'm rubbing lipo C there daily, for about 3 days only.
I wonder if the fungus is dying ?? !
I'm rubbing on soles and whole feet, and today morning I realized that the skin tone got much better, as though my skin got younger.
I compared with my leg skin, and my feet skin is shining more, looks much healthier than other dry parts where I hadn't rubbed the Lipo C.
Also on my hands, it's more shiny!
Since I started taking the Lipo C (ingested), I can see the mark on my nail growth (hands): it has a before and after LINE!
This is freaky.
My hand nails have been very weak after winter. Very weak, yellowish, not a healthy look. Since I got the last TB attack. I hope the Lipo C will help me there too.
Guys, you gotta try this experiment. It is worth!! But after taking it, toxins get loose.
That's another thing I'm sure about, as I need many more binders than usual.
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I got bitten by a big tick... Cherries or ticks, I gotta choose!!! First time I went get cherries without having repellents...
Right under my arm, it's swollen.... I 'm rubbing the Lipo C and the Olbas, today I had very good energy, let's see tomorrow...
I usually feel bad almost immediately after tick bite, when it's contaminated.
Well, continuing my Lipo C experiment, I rubbed it all over my body, and the skin became SO SOFT!!!
It changed color to more light, more shiny.
There is a paper in Pub Med about transdermal Liposomal Vit C.
Vit C does help the skin to get less dry according to the paper, it reduces wrinkles too.
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Another tick bite, 3 in less than a week....
They are all around, feels like spring here...
Fortunately none so far developed into something bad ...
I'm rubbing Olbas and liposomal Vit C on the bites daily.
I'm continuing my lipo C experience, exchanging ideas with other people using lipo C for longer.
It seems that liposomal BOUGHT versions are usually weaker than what most of us are using (the qualityliposomal.com recipe).
I understand why: this recipe uses the most concentrate form possible.
I'm really amazed to see how it dealt with my nail fungus (more than a decade old) and how it is strengthening my nails in general, cleaning my sinuses, giving me energy, cleaning the joints.
It is still hard to deal with the herx-like effect from moving toxins, but I'm going slow.
Rubbing this stuff on skin makes such a fast change to the skin that is impressive. I guess younger people would not see the difference, but I do!
The last tick bite was on my thigh. I've been rubbing VitC on my whole body except for thigh and scalp.
Now I started rubbing all over my body (including thigh, except for hair), let's see if the ticks still bite me. I'm in daily contact with them.
I'm not using repellents to test. It could be a coincidence that it bit me exactly where I had no VitC!!
But if not, that would be an interesting find!!
Every time I drink my 2 grams of Vit C early morning, I feel such a boost in my whole body!
My mind gets clear (it is much better than coffee!!), my sinuses get a sort of pressure (like they were cleaned from inside out), I feel pretty energetic.
It's been quite many days that I feel no fog at all. My mind is clear!! I usually get fog - non fog, on and off. Electrosmog make the fog much worse usually.
It has been a good experience NOT to get fogs, even when a bit exposed to wifis, cell phones... I'm sure they are still not good, and I still avoid e-smog when I can.
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I have been taking this. I got up to either 2 or 2.5 g no problem. Then after a while I started experiencing nausea.
I read this could be vitamin C toxicity???!
I backed down to 1 g no problem.
I am debating whether to even continue this when I finish this bottle as I haven't noticed any changes but hopefully it is doing something.
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Sorry for my absence - long vacations in south america.....
Toby, I also had gut problems with powdered vit C, that is why I never really took it.
I know that the sodium ascorbate version is less aggressive than pure ascorbic acid (for me), but it's still not as EASY to take as the liposomal form.
The disadvantage of the lipo C is the awful taste.
Sodium ascorbate is used for babies, easy to take, but less effective. You can also sniff this to clean sinuses, even put in the ear canal to help clearing infections.
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Yanivnaced, glad your wife is having more energy!
I continue to feel good with the Lipo C.
I also added sodium ascorbate to help mopping up toxins in the blood (but in small amounts as I have a tender tummy).
I continue thinking the Lipo C is incredible.
It does all sorts of things, but it may come with some initial worsening of symptoms - fatigue, some loose stools (or smelly stools), some joint pain, teeth pain etc.
My aunt got cancer, and her skin got awful colors, looked like crocodile skin (her oncologist is clueless). She got that after 3 years of chemio therapy.....
After 2 days rubbing lipo C, the color of her skin CLEARLY improved, her oncologist was also clueless.
I'm pretty sure the croco-skin pattern will fade for complete if she continues.
I got SO addicted on my Lipo C I can't live without it.
However, I know that vit C is diuretic.
So I'm replacing water soluble nutrients: vit B and minerals (incl magnesium).
I feel that my body needs a boosting of Vit B (many of them) and magnesium in the evening (far from vit C). Without magnesium, I tend to have cramps (after I started on Vit C).
I also re-started doing more regular physical exercises, so that could also be contributing for the cramps.
this is based on recommendations from the dr who promotes Lipo C, dr Levy.
Has your wife got cramps too?
How's her energy level now?
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Koo, as for nausea, it could be from the awful taste?
Or it could be from some die off / toxins that are mobilized ?
I get tummy pains from times to times. But I know this is not burning pains, but toxic pains: it's what caused my gastritis during 20 years.
I take binders, such as chlorella, spirulina, barley grass, alfafa, diatom earth etc and the pain disappears.
I can't take great amounts without having EXCESS of toxin mobilization, so I keep on small amounts still (no more than about 2, 3 grams of lipo C plus abotu 2.3 grams of sodium ascorbate) divided in portions during the day.
I hope you haven't given up. It's one of the best things that I found in the last years.
I'm sort of doing all other therapies turning AROUND my lipo C. I don't want to stop taking it.
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People from my family told me my skin looks much better. They saw me last time more than a year ago, and I had some liver spots on the face.
My skin is much clearer now.
Brain fog belongs to the past.
The disadvantage is that Lipo C still excites me, and I can't take loads without having problem to fall asleep.
I think I will try to take Ashwaganda or other herbs, as I would like to increase a bit the dose to see if it cleans my joints a bit faster and eliminates for good all my sinus problems...
Energy-wise, Lipo C is great.
It also blocks the development of any colds (as it was winter in South America and I could stop the beginning of colds at least 3 times, once for myself, 2x for my daughter).
She's got fever in one night, the next day she had practically nothing after a boost of multi C while all her cousins were already having awful coughs, missing school.
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What is funny is that no single person reacts the same way with Vit C.
What I learned these vacations is that Vit C is in fact more like a liver metabolic molecule, not exactly a vitamin.
We have genes to produce vit C but they are somehow inactivated.
Dogs and cats still produce minimal amounts of vit C, but much less than goats and other animals.
It seems that domestication, too much breeding we did to these animals made them produce less and less vit C (apes produce none, like us).
Even cold weather activates the liver (or kidneys) of wild animals to produce more vit C.
It helps metabolism, it's a cofactor to enzymes, it has so many different functions in the body that is hard to tell what effect it will do on each person. I guess that is why no single person reacts the same way.
And expect some initial worsening of symptoms! At least, I had.
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My last liposomal recipe:
ascorbic acid 50 grams Vit B complex 20 capsules Vit B12 10 capsules Vit D3 20 drops Vit K2 30 drops zinc, copper, manganese 3 caps selenium 5 caps chrom, molyb 3 caps lecithin powder 70 grams vodka 125 ml water 130 ml
I followed what dr Levi suggested: as vit C has diuretic effect, and I'm taking it daily, he suggests to take more of anything that is water-soluble, that you may be losing.
So Vit Bs, and minerals.
I've been taking it for about 3 weeks and I find it better than my previous pure Vit C.
In the evening, I need to take magnesium though.
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Mary, if I were you, I would buy PURE liposomal C.
Why?
Because the rest (sodium ascorbate, ascorbic acid) you can buy for almost nothing and take it, while the liposomal vit C is what shall cost a bit more (because they use lecithin and need some preparation).
I think LivOn is not a bad brand, by what I hear (pure liposomal). There is another good brand, but I forgot the name... I'll see if I find it.
If you'd like just to try the non-liposomal form, simply buy ascorbic acid (in pounds, very inexpensive), then a clean sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and just mix them to produce your own Sodium Ascorbate (that is less aggressive to the stomach).
Proportion about 2:1.
Then you take the pure liposomal C simultaneously that you may produce home or buy it.
then you will get the full benefits of vitamin c. It will be a better use of your money!
The 5ml portion of liposomal Vit C in the product you mention has only 0.4 grams of Lipo C. You need at least 1 gram, in my opinion, to feel something is 'happening'.
I have a very tender stomach, and could not tolerate 1 gram Vit C if taken at once, but the lipo C has not been a problem, even in much higher amounts.
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I had been thinking to take some other antioxidant in between my lipo C intake.
The reason is that I have the feeling that keep repeating the same ingredient daily is maybe less interesting than rotating different ingredients (for example, I need many other ingredients to help my body produce glutathione better, not only Vit C).
Somehow, I have an inner voice telling me not to take only ONE chemical supplement in great amounts daily.
I had had good experiences with liposomal turmeric (I just did it once), that is why I decided to make a mix with:
lots of turmeric (40 grams), acerola powder (about 15 -20 grams), spirulina (20 grams) and bits of MSM powder, 80 grams of lecithin, 200 ml of vodka, 300 ml of water. (all ingredients above were tested energetically, to see if they combine well)
It got very thick, dark green color.
Turmeric has ALWAYS been a very difficult 'supplement' to take. Even in food, I have difficulty digesting it.
I'll let you know how it felt after a couple of days on it.
The daily intake of lipo C makes my body detox.
It is not visible the first days, but after, I'll get some symptoms of toxins on the move (so I keep needing binders).
I'm not sure this new mixture with turmeric + spirulina will help me to flush toxins off (or if it will be more mobilizing).
I gotta try for a while to see.
For anyone wanting to know whether this liposomal business is worth or not, simply use the mixer. Do the whole mixture only in a mixer, let it stir for at least 15-20 minutes in low speed (check for the temperature, do not let it go too hot).
You'll probably get some liposomes this way.
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The turmeric + spirulina 1st experience:
I just took about 2 tee spoons yesterday.
After about 15-20 minutes, I got a sort of lymph drainage effect: my fingers got like dried up from inside.
The feeling was gorgeous. Like my brain got clearer (in about an hour, I could see a CLEAR difference).
No problem to digest the stuff.
Turmeric, as I said, had always been a problem for me. Spirulina is fine, but also not that easy to digest, when taken in large amounts.
The taste was very much 'turmeric'. I guess that adding more of the acerola powder would be better for the taste.
In anyways, it tasted much better than liposomal Vit C.
The lipo version seems to be muuch easier to digest, probably because it sort of skips some of the digestive pathways to go directly to the gut.
I had always been wary about turmeric. Even tiny amounts used to bother my stomach. Plus, I never felt any good effect from it (probably because of the tiny amounts I could take due to tender tummy).
My daughter had been in bad mood the whole day yesterday. She looked tired, unmotivated. I gave her one teespoon late in the afternoon (by 4pm or so)
Minutes after she said her hands were getting warm.
About 1-2 hours after intake, her mood clearly changed for better.
She had been thinking to go to bed earlier, she had told us she was not going to watch a movie with us, but only the beginning, then go to bed.
Well, she not only watched the whole movie, took a shower after, and went to bed in great mood.
I wonder if this has to do with the turmeric + lipo mixture... Or just a coincidence. --------------
Liposomal products are the future.
If you have digestive problems, tender tummy, etc like we have, the liposomal form seems to be very useful.
I'm thinking to open a Facebook group to exchange info about homemade (or not) liposomal products.
Anyone would like to join me? I think I need one person more to start the group.
There are other groups on facebook already, but I'm not happy with any of them...
Could you please send me PM? (I hope it's not a problem to ask that here in lymenet...)
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Wow Brussels, I totally agree Liposomal is the future.
I been researching the nematode worm in brains of Alzheimer's patients.
Many meds used have trouble crossing the BBB. Yet Liposomal meds have no problem. They need to produce Liposomal antibiotics ! In fact, all meds maybe. Eliminate the breakdown from stomach gastric juices too. The best supplements are the Liposomal brands. Very expensive, yet very effective. Thoughts ?
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Bonnie, there are already researches on liposomal everything, from cancer drugs to antibiotics.
Just google it, you'll be amazed to see how liposomes are here to stay - since they were first 'discovered', there is no coming back.
It's going exponential.
I'm on second day of experience with the turmeric + spirulina.
It's extremely easy to take, super easy to digest.
I wonder if some people who are sensitive to chlorella, if they won't be able to ingest chlorella in liposomal form?
The greatest thing with it, is that it targets the cells, at least cell walls.
I wonder how much crosses intracellular, how much stays at the cell wall.
Two people I know using Lipo C, with chronic babesiosis had good results with it.
One of them got negative for babesia (only through muscle tests). It's promising.
Imagine if you simply do stuff like cryptolepsis in liposomal form, or cats claw...
I don't know why so few people use it, against lyme.
I rarely get such reactions in joints, sinuses the way I do with my liposomes...
I feel like very stubborn symptoms finally move forward. Not solved yet, but at least, I feel supplements can reach these areas, specially most joints.
On top, stuff like vit B complex, or minerals, I just add a bit, and I'm pretty sure that we need to ingest MUCH LESS than what we do to get similar effects.
So it's also interesting to save some money on supplements that are water soluble.
I'm pretty happy with my trials. I'm both ingesting and rubbing on my body. Rubbed lipo magnesium chloride gives a great feeling. Posts: 6200 | From Brussels | Registered: Oct 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Brussels: Mary, if I were you, I would buy PURE liposomal C.
Why?
Because the rest (sodium ascorbate, ascorbic acid) you can buy for almost nothing and take it, while the liposomal vit C is what shall cost a bit more (because they use lecithin and need some preparation).
I think LivOn is not a bad brand, by what I hear (pure liposomal). There is another good brand, but I forgot the name... I'll see if I find it.
If you'd like just to try the non-liposomal form, simply buy ascorbic acid (in pounds, very inexpensive), then a clean sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and just mix them to produce your own Sodium Ascorbate (that is less aggressive to the stomach).
Proportion about 2:1.
Then you take the pure liposomal C simultaneously that you may produce home or buy it.
then you will get the full benefits of vitamin c. It will be a better use of your money!
The 5ml portion of liposomal Vit C in the product you mention has only 0.4 grams of Lipo C. You need at least 1 gram, in my opinion, to feel something is 'happening'.
I have a very tender stomach, and could not tolerate 1 gram Vit C if taken at once, but the lipo C has not been a problem, even in much higher amounts.
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You're welcome.
I'm also opening a facebook group, with liposomal discussions, if anyone is interested...
It is called Liposomal Vitamins and Supplements.
I'm not selling anything there, and not allowing anyone to advertise products, so I hope it's not a problem to disclose that here.
I need a place to discuss this with OTHER people, who actually try these liposomal products, home made or not.
I hope the group will work.
Few people in lymenet are doing that.. Understandable, with lyme.
But I hope to gather more information about mixtures, what works best etc.
If anyone would like to join, just pop there!!
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Brussels. I am not on facebook, so hope you will come back and periodically post results on this thread. I always appreciate your insights!
I just don't do social media.
I may be ready for liposomal vitamin C at some point. So far, energy healer has said not to start it.
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Hey Hiker, me too, I usually avoid social media.
But as so FEW people in lymenet engage in lipo C, and I found out loads of info about it facebook, I decided to join only for that reason.
I got most of my questions answered, and I see so many people there got lyme also (or had had lyme)... so I can learn from their experiences too.
I don't use my name, nor my face, anyway... I hate this Big Brother thing too.
If people post here, I'll see it of course, and answer them!
I let the FB group open to be read by anyone (I think I did. No need to subscribe to it to read the content).
I'm a total newbie on it, so I'm not sure what I'm doing, but I hope I'll be able to gather more experiences from other people who actually try liposomal products.
I mean, just THINK about what these 4 products can do:
1- liposomal Vit C (stronger than IV vit C!!!)
2- liposomal Vit B12 - ingested, 'normal' B12 works next to nothing but studies show that lipo B12 is very well absorbed, amazingly well (probably also comparable to IV B12).
The more I read about B12, I wonder why isn't it as known as Vit C , Vit D3 and magnesium. I think that Vit B12 is in the same level of importance, as well as iodine.
3- liposomal glutathione - this is another very promising product (as you all know, ingesting 'normal' glutathione means next to nothing)
4- liposomal turmeric - turmeric is so hard to digest, but with lecithin it becomes buffered, protects your stomach, and it goes directly to cells!
And I'm sure there are other uses for liposomes, that we still do not know.
I've been using liposomal magnesium on my skin, and recently have tried liposomal spirulina mixed with turmeric, and it is so strong I got to go back and re-start slowly.
All that, done at home, for a very small budget, and still, you guys with lyme here don't even try!!
That's why I decided to open that facebook group, so that I can gather other people's experiences!
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Just thinking . . .
I checked all my Liposomal products. All contain Phosphatimdylcholine, which is a phospholipid (fat).
Because it's a fat, it can break down other fats, such as lipomas, benign tumors, and fat cells containing harmful metals.
It's used in drug delivery as an effective means of lasting longer in body to permeate into cells.
So would it be feasible to just incorporate Phosphatimdylcholine as a supplement to increase our supplements absorbency ?
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Wiki:
"Lecithins are mixtures of glycerophospholipids including phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidylethanolamine, phosphatidylinositol, phosphatidylserine, and phosphatidic acid.[3]
Lecithin was first isolated in 1845 by the French chemist and pharmacist Theodore Gobley.[4]
In 1850, he named the phosphatidylcholine lécithine.[5]
Gobley .... had demonstrated the presence of lecithin in a variety of biological matters, including venous blood, in human lungs, bile, human brain tissue, fish eggs, fish roe, and chicken and sheep brain."
Yep, exactly Bonnie.
Absorption through lecithin /Phoshp Coline is increased many fold (also intracellular), and on top, it does that WITHOUT spending any energy, which is a great advantage!
No need for complex ion pumps and ATP consumption!!!
Plus, it is inexpensive.
If you just RUB lecithin mixed in water on your skin, you'll sense what it does when it reaches your gut. The penetration in the skin is amazing (as long as it is a bit humid), MUCH better than oils.
Plus, you try to wash it off, you'll see it is very hard to wash off the skin, even with hot shower.
The skin will be shiny for days after a single application of lipo C on the skin (or any liposomal product) even if you take a shower every day.
that gives you an idea of what to do with it, when you ingest it!!
I think that if you add lecithin, using a mixer, you'll get some liposomes already.
If you'd like I can try to share here the recipe for those wanting to use a home mixer to produce one's own liposomal products.
I'm even mixing some Vit D3 to it. Vit D is fat soluble, so theoretically, it will be absorbed different than water soluble supplements.
But seeing how close the composition of lecithin is to the human cell-wall, I'm pretty sure that even fat soluble vitamins would have an advantage by being transported by lecithin!
that's why I'm adding my D3 (and K2, that I suppose is also fat soluble) to lecithin!
To make liposomes, most people use a mixer AND an ultrasound cleaner (that you can buy for about 20-40 dollars).
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A woman suffering with severe and debilitating Lyme disease had been seen by many doctors and had not responded to several courses of antibiotics.
Her health was rapidly failing and her husband called Dr. Levy.
The woman was immediately infused with 100 grams of Vitamin C and within just two hours of treatment here husband reported that she looked 50 to 60 percent better.
Over the next two days she received five more 50 gram infusions of Vitamin C, and by hour 72 she was completely well.
That was nearly two years ago.
She has since suffered no relapses, nor is there any indication of a chronic infection. "
"Anecdotally, I have had the occasion to clinically cure a case of acute Lyme disease with three days of intravenous vitamin C therapy.
Whether this is readily repeatable, or whether a chronic case of Lyme disease would respond as well remains to be seen.
At the Colorado Integrative Medical Center we are now initiating a combination of therapies including those mentioned in this newsletter to see precisely how much success we can have on a regular basis with this particular disease.
We are presently accepting new patients at this time who have this condition and are looking for another treatment option."
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" My Lyme symptoms started two and half years before it was finally diagnosed correctly following a Western Blot Lyme test.
I tested positive for Lyme disease and tick borne disease coinfections Bartonella and Rocky Mountain spotted fever in September 08.
Prior to being diagnosed with Lyme disease I was referred to Psychiatrists and Pain Management Specialists none of which even considered my symptoms could be Lyme.
.... It had gotten to the point where I couldn’t write my name in cursive because I had lost dexterity and/or communication from my brain to my hands.
I was referred by my primary care physician to a Psychiatrist that prescribed the following medications over the course of the two plus years of undiagnosed Lyme: Klonopin, Buspar, Lexapro, Effexor, Paxil, Cymbalta, Xanax XR, Xanax, Trazadone, Zoloft, Valium, Prozac, and Zyprexa.
All of these medications individually had their own side affects which further contributed to incorrect diagnosis of my symptoms.
In addition to the Psychiatrist over this period of time, I was also referred to several Pain Management Specialists from Anne Arundel Medical Center to Johns Hopkins for the nerve pain radiating from my Pelvic area down my left leg.
The Pain Management Specialists administered 15 different nerve blocks to include blocks administered through my back under x-ray.
In addition to the nerve blocks they also performed a procedure to burn and deaden the femoral nerve so that it would not transmit the pain any longer.
All of these injections were risky and extremely uncomfortable.
In addition to the nerve blocks the Pain Management Specialists prescribed the following pain medications over the same 2 plus year period: Methadone, Opana, Opana XR, Oxycontin, Vicodin, Percocet, Elavil, Neurotin, and Lyrica.
As you can imagine the great mimicker Lyme disease together with the Psychiatric medications and pain medications sent my overall health in a downward spiral.
Upon the successful diagnosis of Lyme disease, I was treated by an Infectious Disease specialist who inserted a Picc Line in my left arm and administered 30 days of Rocephin.
Upon conclusion of the 30 days the Picc line was removed and the Infectious Disease specialist considered my Lyme treatment over.
I was still experiencing all of the same symptoms and he suggested I go see a Psychiatrist.
I didn’t feel I needed a Psychiatrist at this time and after doing our own research I went to a Lyme Awareness Doctor at the National Integrated Health Associates in Washington DC.
The Lyme Awareness doctor immediately began oral Antibiotic treatment that had me on no fewer than 3 antibiotics at the same time.
Over the course of 9 months of treatment by the Lyme Awareness Doctor I was on: Doxycycline, Rifampin, Azithromycin, Flagyl, Levaquin, Bactrim and others that I can’t remember at this time.
Hind site being 20 – 20, all of this time I was developing a severe stomach infection (Candidiasis) and lost weight from 170 down to 127 lbs.
I was following the doctor’s orders directly for increased probiotics and diet and was placed on Diflucan on several occasions over the 9 month period to treat the stomach infection.
All the while my stomach infection was getting worse and I was now almost completely unable to eat.
Feeling I was at rock bottom a friend of mine who was successfully treated at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute told me of a new IV therapy with mega doses of Vitamin C that was showing promising results for the treatment of Lyme.
I was unable to eat, had lost 43 lbs., and was experiencing all of my symptoms at their highest point.
My wife contacted Florida Detox and Wellness on a Friday morning and we were on a plane on Sunday.
During my first appointments at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute.
I was extremely weak, couldn’t eat, my immune system was completely shot and as I mentioned earlier I was at rock bottom.
Florida Detox and Wellness Institute immediately ordered brain chemistry and major blood work and began administering IV Therapy with mega doses of Vitamin C.
During the first week of treatment I received 4 rounds of IV therapy and by the end of the week we were going over most of my blood work and adding mostly natural supplements to aid my fighting the stomach infection, battered immune system and brain chemistry issues.
I returned to Florida on two more occasions and have received 19 rounds of IV therapy.
My natural killer cell count which had remained under 40 during 9 months of Picc Line and oral Antibiotic treatment was now 464.
The Lyme Awareness Doctor’s that treated me with all of the antibiotics wanted this count to be around 180 before they would cease treatment.
With 19 treatments at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute, I had achieved and surpassed the goal of 180 to a high of 464.
Most of my Lyme and stomach infection symptoms have subsided and I plan on continuing treatment at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute for additional IV therapy and adjustments to my brain chemistry to help address anxiety and Depression symptoms.
I hate to think of where I would be if I had continued on the oral antibiotics and not sought out treatment at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute...
After having used over 1000 hours of leave and missing the last 4 months of work I have now returned to work part time working my way back to full time.
On 9/30/09, he reported, ” I am dramatically improved from when I first visited Florida in June.
I still feel I have a ways to go but I think the majority of my issues may reside in the anxiety and Depression arena.
I would love to knock out that last positive under band 23 while I continue to work on my brain chemistry and associated anxiety issues.”
12/11/09 Steve reported he is working about 6 hours daily, but the tachycardia which developed with his Lymes infection continues and he is scheduled for an echocardiogram on 12/15/09.
His heart rate is often over 100 beats per minute. After meeting with his cardiologist, Steve reported, “My heart is structurally and physiologically sound.
There are no blockages, it is the right size and it is operating normally.
However, the heart monitor revealed that my heart rate is normal until I reach early morning.
The monitor recorded a high of 158 at 7:15 a.m. on Tuesday. I was still in bed at this time.
There was a pattern of high heart rate in the a.m. and then leveling off as the day goes on.
There were also isolated instances of rapid heart rate at different times throughout the day. “
Toprol, 50 mg BID, lowered his pulse to normal range, but he experienced nausea and discontinued Toprol.
Two Hawthorn capsules daily have lowered his resting pulse to about 100, without side effects and he was asked to increase the Hawthorn dosage.
On 3/8/2010, Steve submitted a whole blood sample for testing by Central Florida Research.
Their highly sensitive Borrelia Burgdorferi Direct Fluorescent Flow Cytometry test revealed Steve tested negative for Lyme Disease.
On 4/18/10 Steve emailed that he is playing golf again and has returned to work full-time.
On 10/12/10, his wife emailed
'Steve is doing fantastic and is back to work fulltime and has his life back.
I haven’t seen him this happy in along time!
He is still taking lots of your supplements and the toprol for his heart but has his life back ,playing golf every week.
He never thought he would ever play golf again.
I will NEVER be able to thank you guys enough for what you have done for us.
Steve is a new person, thanks to you! I hope you all are doing well. We think about you often and talk about you all the time because people are always asking about how he got better.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of sick people with LYme here in our county with lots of woods and deer around everyones house."
I want some very high quality Liposomal Vitamin C.
You probably will be surprised at this--but I haven't taken vitamin C in years. I know I need to very much. I'm mad at myself for skipping vitamin C.
So can someone recommend some Liposomal Vitamin C which is either a pill to swallow or a liquid which tastes good. I had some once which was a packet of orange goo which was supposed to be flavored orange but it tasted like jet fuel! Taste is very important to me!!!!!
Thanks, Zeitgeist
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Oh... I only know about Mercola's Lipo C in pill form, but I haven't heard good reviews about it...
I produce my own, and it does taste awful (very acid, like vit C shall taste).
I'll try to look around for you, ask in the lipo C group. Give me a couple of days to find out.
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People are suggesting to drink Lipo C (from ascorbic acid) with a straw OR to produce liposomal C with Sodium ascorbate (practically tasteless).
that could be one way to try?
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My last recipe of liposomal vitamins / minerals. It tastes much better than only liposomal C.
And I do not react with insomnia like I do with pure liposomal C.
My daughter is in the USA now for the next 2 weeks, so that is what I prepared for her (but I'm also taking it).
50 grams ascorbic acid (Vit C) 15 capsules Magnesium (citrate, that is what I got) 16 capsules Selenium (natural source) 6 capsules B-Life Protect (HPU supplements with zinc, B6, manganese) 17 capsules Niacin (B3) 40 grams of maca powder 4 dropperful of CBD oil 5 dropperful of cilantro tincture 3 droppers of concentrate D3 (I would add about same amount of K2 if I had home, but I haven't got it now....) 2 teaspoons of honey 230 ml of water 75 ml of vodka
(I tested the mixture energetically, as many things do not 'combine' well).
I blended it all for about 5 minutes
Then added 70 grams of lecithin and blended for about 5 minutes more.
Then sonicated the whole thing for about 40 minutes.
It acts as Lipo C (joint cleansing /pain, sinuses feel cleaning from inside, etc), but it does not excite me as Lipo C does.
Lipo C alone causes me anxiety.
Daughter and I take 4 teaspoons of that liposomal mixture. Then we take CoQ10 and Iodine.
In the evening, we take fish oil or krill oil with chlorella (because zinc, cilantro, vit C do mobilize heavy metals). And that is all.
After reading about teeth health, I'm thinking about cod liver oil.... Still wondering if I'll take it or not, due to heavy metals....
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I just realized my candida/fungal infection that comes every year, didn't show up so far.
It is snowing here, so we are 'theoretically' in winter.
I also realized that curcumin is antifungal.
I take both Vit C in liposomal form and curcumin + spirulina in liposomal form (in days on and off), not the same day.
This new mixture above is new, to substitute my pure Lipo C mixture (that I take for months, but that still causes me anxiety).
And also to fit winter time better (with vit D3...).
I should be covered in candida by now, but I don't even see candida showing up.
I also take fermented veggies (kimchi), but I also did this in the past, but it was not ENOUGH to put my 3 decade old candida dormant in winter months.
I always get back candida in autumn and full blown candida in winter (Dec, Jan, Feb).
So far so good.
Chronic candida, that is seasonal for me, is my last BIG health issue, that started 30 years ago.
In the last 20 years, it messed my life for at least 6 months a year (sometimes less, but sometimes more, till 9-10 months a year).
I want to believe this is due to my liposomal experience, but only spring will tell!!!
In spring, I'll know if I went through winter WITHOUT antifungals, anti candida homeopathics.
If it happens, I can only conclude it is due to lipo C and other lipo mixtures I'm taking DAILY, for the last 6 months.
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1- There are many potential applications for liposomes in the food industry, ranging from the protection of sensitive ingredients to increase the efficacy of food additives.
2- Due to the fast degradation of essential oils, they tend to lose their antimicrobial and antioxidant properties, that’s why liposomal encapsulation is a perfect alternative to avoid these problems and delivery them in a better way.
3. Liposome encapsulation provides multiple benefits to essential oil properties, when they are used as antimicrobials to have an effective control of certain pathogenic microorganisms in foods."
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Yes, liposomes protect essential oils against degradation, help to deliver them in a better way, and still, act as effective antimicrobials!
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I'm at the klingh... institute making a course (Germany), and many of his products start to be in liposomal form.
The institute is also selling a product of liposomes so that people can add anything (andrographis, herbs, whatever you imagine possible) to it and create your own liposomes.
I can easily imagine what is inside this product because I produce my own liposomes... It's all in this thread, open to anyone.
But practitioners doing the course have no idea! There are medical doctors, all sorts of practitioners, most never heard about liposomes!
There is a huge difference in intake of anything alone or in liposomal form.
Few people are using it here too.
I see huge possibilities to treat very stubborn and drug resistant pathogens such as Babesia (duncani specially), Bartonella or mycoplasma.
And also for people with gut absorption problems (I guess about 100% of chronic infection patients have gut problems because pathogens colonize the gut anyway....)
... who try to fill in their nutrition deficiency with supplements and everything else.
Most of it get lost or attacked by stomach acids or enzymes, when they aren't encapsulated in liposomes.
This liposomal revolution is right here, inexpensive, available to us now.
you can also choose to buy ready made products for about 10 to 100 times the price of ingredients.
I met some practitioners again, and they told me I look different (skin is clear, more healthy in a way).
the only thing I'm doing new are liposomal products.
Whatever: the revolution is somehow already happening. It's just a matter of time (or urgency) that will push more people into the liposomal revolution.
I'll keep my experiments, now adding more food items (as I react better with complete food, fruits, than with chemical supplements).
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Craig used Liposomal C to fight lyme.
Look at page 321, 322 and other pages.
He also made use of other liposomal products such as lipo EDTA and lipo glutathione.
The logic he used for healing is very similar to what I think works for lyme: intense rotation of treatments, never stay stuck on one single type of treatment because the bacteria adapts.
And also, because you need RE-BUILDING your body as well.
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but I hope I'll be able to gather more experiences from other people who actually try liposomal products.
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