FAITH IN NUMBERS-i AGREE-

WHERE IS GOD WHEN IT HURTS BY PHILLIP YANCY IS A GREAT ONE TO READ WHILE DOING THIS.

THANKS - GOOD IDEA

I feel like all I do lately is pray and pray and pray some more.

AND NO THIS SHOULDNT BE IN GENERAL SUPPORT!

God is the great physician and there is no better medicine than prayer.
I have been petitioning God for all of you and will continue to do so in agreement with you all, every little bit helps.

In addition to the individual prayers, I think we should have one special time for everyone to pray together - like 12 noon.

Lord, I thank you that there is no distance in the spirit. My Brothers and Sisters here are hurting. They cry out to you. Your Word says that You hear us always and I thank you for that. I thank you for Your Promises, lord. Where two or more are gathered, there You are. So, welcome. Welcome to our little church service on lymenet. I lift up all my brothers and sisters here on Lyme net. I lift up Krazykat, Robin,Choc,Starr, BarelyBreath,Bjg,TreePatrol,Green Darknes,Cbb,Brenda,Weeza3, Rd and every single person who is attached to this support group. They are believers. they are seekers. they are your children. They ask for all the good things that come from you, Father of Lights.

Lord, search our hearts. Your Word says a curse causeless doesn't come. But, Lyme really seems like we were in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't have the discernemnt to know why spiritually lyme has fallen upon us. We ask. Please, give us knowledge. Like in Nehimiah's time, we collectivelly repent for the sins of our families, towns and countries. We repent for the bitterness we have towards the doctors and politicans who have made this disease so hard to treat. We repent for the bitterness against friends and family who thought we were making this up. We repent to any bitterness towards you God. Search our hearts, Lord, and give us hearts of forgivess. We confess our sins one to another so we may be healed! If there are any blocks to healing, let us know. We want to change. We want fellowship with you! We seek your face, not only your hands right now.

Lord, I thank you that everything is naked in your sight. Your Word is a two-edged sword that seperates! This darkness cannot hide from you. I thank you for the authority in your son's name. I thank you that Jesus said that greater things we will do. So, I humbly believe and do what He told me. In Jesus' name I take authority over every single nest of vipers -- all these spirochettes, babesia parasites, erlichia bacteria, Bartonellas, bugs, candida funguses, disbiosis and every and all co-infections. Listen, hard, NO DEADLY THING WILL HARM US. It's over. I curse you the way Jesus cursed that Fig tree. Who the Son sets free is free in need. All these infirmities must go in Jesus name. lord, please send ministering angels to escort these intellegent life forms out of our bodies. We don't want them! I command them to wither and die in jesus name. I command all toxins to gently leave our bodies. I command all pain to book it. I command all inflamation to go down in Jesus' name. I command our immune systems to rise up and have discernemnt over this enemy. I speak proper nurturing of God's food, air and water. May it all be a blessing to our bodies. Lord, we have a mustard seed of faith. Thank you, it's still enough to cast mountains in the sea. And, this plague of Lyme must go!!!!

Lord, please bless your children on this site. they need you. Please extand you hand to heal. We have turned to Man for help but we turn to you for complete healing of our bodies, spirits and minds. Some people here don't know you. That's not my job to evangelize. Love on them all, Lord. Please, draw near to those who draw near to you.

There is a prayer list at our group site, where you can list your prayer and others in the group can hold you inprayer...we have 133 on the prayer list currently...

Invite you to join us in listing your requests and praying for those on the list.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lyme-naturalhealthcare

I'll move the prayer list to Byron's site. Unless we can find a place off topic or something here on Lymenet

I know God's listens to our prayers. There are no athiests in the foxholes as they say. People with Lyme need an all out assault against this thing. We have to get right physically, emotionally and spiritually to heal.

I didn't mean to offend any non-Christians (Hey, i was born Jewish and dabbled in the occult and a zillion religions way back when.
I understand. Ticks will give you a lot of things. For some, they gave us religion!

I agree that a certain time of day or night should be set and all our prayers offerred up at one time.

GOD IS LOVE---NO JUDGING
gOD IS lOVE---nO resentment
God is love---all patience (patients, too?)
God is love---all power
God is love---all supply

I pray and pray for a cure-God's tender touch on all of us who are sufferring and for our families that are either caretakers or have this disease themselves.

Thank you again-"Hobo"-Nothing happens by mistake.

Lisa, please stay tuned into lyemnet. You need all the info and support you can during this trial. Don't let a little misunderstanding make you leave. Please forgive me, us , everybody. Just trying to help.

Let's just end this discussion here. Okay????

Hugs to all,

Michael

I'm not against religion, I am deeply spiritual myself but not in the same way as the participants in favor of this thread. You've all heard that religion and politics are two subjects that don't go over well at a party. There's a reason why that is such universal wisdom. People tend to lose their common sense and civility when it comes to these two topics. Not all of us experience a connection with the universe in the same way, and it can be discomfiting to have another's practices foisted upon us.

It is not a simple matter of just not reading the posts. That's not the point. Once one "group" is allowed to practice their religion freely here, it will be hard to say no to another group, and that is not what this medical forum is about. People who feel uncomfortable with the religious overtones of the board will not stay. Some of those people will be in great need of help, and others will be those who offer help. We who are united in lyme cannot afford to lose those people from the board.

Threads based on lesser "belief systems" such as mercury poisoning and vibrational healing have been deleted from here after going up in conflagration. Interested parties (myself included) went elsewhere to post about such topics dear to them.

No one is telling you not to pray -- all we ask is that you quickly gather your prayer group and take it somewhere more appropriate.
Thank you, hobokinite, for offering to move to Byron's site.

I do not post because I too have relapsed. For three years it has been two steps forward, one and three quarters steps backward. But, I do visit the site and read others' posts almost daily.(And I am sure there are many others like me.)

This thread, however, compelled me to weigh in.

While I have compassion for what HOBOKINITE is experiencing,I agree with Chocolat, Sue vG, and Lisa that HOBOKINITE's posts belong elsewhere.

THERE HAS BEEN TOO MUCH DISENTION ON THIS BOARD AND I CERTAINLY SEE BOTH SIDES.

THE BOARD IS TOO IMPORTANT TO CAUSE YET ANOTHER RIFF LIKE THE MP AND OTHER THINGS.

I HOPE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO RESPECT OTHERS OR SHORE-NUFF, WE "GON" BE TOTALLY REJECTED --ANYBODY ELSE EVER FELT THIS ? PARANOIA? THE LYME BRAIN CAN PERCIEVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE NO VALIDITY.

BUT THEN-----

THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LEARN-LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY. SOOOOO--"HOBO"--WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS FAIR TO EVERYONE?

I LIKE THE FORMAT OF YOUR IDEA--RATHER THAN A PRAYER LIST. BUT SINCE I COULDN'T FIND IT ON YAHOO-DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ONE IS LIKE.

BLESSINGS TO ALL THAT WANT TO CONTINUE AND UNDERSTANDING TO THOSE WHO FEEL MEDICAL IS INNAPPROPRIATE.

AGAIN--GENERAL SUPPORT? IS THAT TOO CLOSELY RELATED? A SEPARATE THREAD SOUNDS LIKE A WAY TO GO - NO PEACE=STRESS AND WE AIN'T GONNA FEED DEM KEETS.

My hands hurt so bad that i cant usually type,but I wanted to thank-you for your kind words and for thinking of me.

My heart is always touched by the kind and caring people here on Lyme net.I hope and pray that we all will be feeling better soon.

Lisa in Arizona, you are being childish, and thinking only of yourself.

I am not a fan of religion, but if it is going to make some feel better, then go for it.

It is all about whatever works for each of us. To some, seeing a prayer on here MAY!
make their day just when they thought they had lost all hope.

Also, many times lyme makes us touchy, so many comments on here... would not be said if the person was feeling better, mentally and emotionally.

I am feeling very together as I write this now.

Prayer! well, if it helps someone, then let them do it.

That way it is still on Lymenet but not in the medical or general sections, it can clearly be labeled as Prayer,so as not to offend any one who might not be like minded, they don't even have to open that thread.

A couple years ago a few of us would meet in off topic every tuesday night for prayer, nobody ever complained about it.

I think what Hobo is doing is wonderful, especially since many of us find that we just are not able to get to church as often as we would like anymore.

We all have enough stress without adding more and if this bothers even one person being on medical, I think we should move it, but I do have to ponder we all have the option to not open a post that may upset us, whatever the subject may be.

Cindy

NO one directly hurt you Lisa.

Did you happen to see how many people liked that post, that joined in? that wanted to here a prayer? Why not let them have it, let them feel good, that is what I meant about being selfish.

There are NO rules with lyme disease, as we all know,

what works for one, does not work for another.

Lyme is KILLING some of us, it is killing me I can tell you that, so let people do whatever it is they have to do to get well, as long as it is not hurting anyone.

LIGHTEN up on people here, let them get well, and whatever way it is.

On the left hand side there's a place to post messages. We can post prayers and prayer requests there.

When people insist upon doing things like this, it's not about our Creator, it's about THEM.

I must say you are very blessed with your words. The prayer was very moving and wonderful.

I have been at this site since April of 2003 and have watched way to many arguments start over difference of opinion.

We have lost lots of very good people because other people could not scroll by a post.

The arguments over alternative treatments, Marnie, Gigi and others have stopped posting as much for being attached. I can't remember who started the rife stuff but they don't post as much either.

Why???

Why must someone leave this wonderful site to go somewhere more appropriate for what they want to talk about? Isn't it all about healing?? Whatever makes you feel better in this disease.

I myself miss the great and educational discussions we use to have on this site. There are alot of new members that are really missing the knowledge these people had to offer.

I am not trying to start or continue a fight. If it should be moved what is wrong with off topic instead of complete off the site?? I myself find yahoo very confusing, it is not as simple as this site.

I have never posted anything like this before in fear I might offend someone but in this post I think there are alot of people getting offended and that is not what is was ment to be.

How are new people to post now without the fear of wondering is someone going to want me off the site for what I am about to say?

I hope I didn't upset anyone but I see no reason to ask members to move to another site. Why not go to off topic?? They have great and heated discussion in off topic.

We are suppose to be making everyone feel welcome and help guide them in this struggle.

Maybe this SHOULD be in general support, but let a moderator know how you feel and let it go at that. Better yet, just scroll on by and don't read anything that you don't like or are offended by. Why aggravate yourself?

It makes us into someone we are NOT.

It steals our brains, our sanity, our bodies, it devours us... and we keep at it to try to overcome it.

It takes such great strength to overcome lyme for many of us.

I know for myself, that when I write on here, and look at my post many times, the day after and so forth, I am so sickened many times that that is my vocabulary, that I just die inside sometimes. I have to let it go, cause I just cannot afford to think less of myself... that one day, I hope I will get my mind and body back.

Many who post on here that are so sick with lyme, have no idea that they post in the wrong colomn sometimes. As they get better, they will post better posts. They will be able to figure out things more.

We HAVE to be more easy on people on here... there is no place for most to go but here for help.... and we all want to get better, we all want to be pain free...
insanity free and so forth.

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Originally posted by 24-bit:

[b]I don't post here anymore for exactly these kind of mellodramatic-mush threads

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Nice people hurting from this disease and make a mistake posting it in the wrong place and thats what you have to say Nice
((((mellodramatic-mush threads))))

You should know better.

So everyone has to find their way around this place.Thanks to all the wonderful people who welcome the new Lymesters!!You are special and thanks for helping me to get my life back(somewhat and still in progress).

Hope you are wll Tree??

Ok, no really. This, this right HERE is why I, quit moderating lymenet. No one gave a darn then why I quit and no one gives a darn now. But, alas, this is why.

My god, ( no pun intended) if you dont LIKE something, tell a moderator. ( So that you can scream at them later cause they didnt delete it "just right")

OR, better yet spend your time on the trolls AND the long standing members here who are REALLY RUDE and no one speaks up to them. Oh come on, like none of you havent guessed who the rude long standing members are?

Alright, well Im bored and since I dont have any comments on the post at hand, I will shut up and eat my peanut butter toast now.

About three years ago....we had a wonderful group of people who regularly prayed for each other. Some asked for prayer, and others joined in in prayer.

Most of us really dont come on anymore,...because the nitpicking rudetalking crap is just too much and we are doing other things with our lives....like fighting where it counts...at the legislative levels, not online here with other sick people

So...if you guys want to get down on "the power of prayer" then this is not the same loving lymenet of a few years ago.

You newbies...who forget that us rude longstanding lymenet people have a lot of insight on issues that half of you have no clue about..will have to re invent the wheel if we are out of here- and a lot of time has gone into that invention.

Keep up the good prayers you guys. They do bring everyone who wishes to be involved closer...and those who dont like them...DONT OPEN THE POST..its not that hard

From a "Long time lyme member"...who by the way finds power of prayer has lifted my daughter to fully functional~ have a good evening.

As you can see from my post, I didnt say a Ree or a DER about praying or not. I could give a crap less. Im a religious person. I keep it to myself, but I dont argue about it- at all, never have, never will.

I never said DONT pray oh yee long standing members, and I talking about you, Lishsmom.

This means if you come across a topic thread that might offend you or doesn't interest you, than you scroll on by.

This threads titled clearly stated "the power of prayer".

So if prayer offends someone, or whatever.... than they have the option to not read this thread. heck there are lots of stuff here that offend me, and I just SOB.

BB said:

"What a sad time in history, when an American can not practice freedom of Religion along with free speech."

Amen!!!!

Lish's mom said:

"Im probably one of the rude longstanding members. I have been amazed how rude lymenet has become.
About three years ago....we had a wonderful group of people who regularly prayed for each other. Some asked for prayer, and others joined in in prayer.

Most of us really dont come on anymore,...because the nitpicking rudetalking crap is just too much and we are doing other things with our lives....like fighting where it counts...at the legislative levels, not online here with other sick people

So...if you guys want to get down on "the power of prayer" then this is not the same loving lymenet of a few years ago."

I agree wholeheartedly. I too have stopped posting as much, due to all the name calling, rudeness and other childish type behavior I have witnessed this past year.

I have this site to thank for giving me back my health and helping me get my 2 children diagnosed and on their way to wellness.

So I will never abandon those who may benefit from my experiences, and I will not stop posting here just because some feel the need to force their rudeness and sarcasm on others.

What is the harm in posting a thread about prayer in Medical??? I believe in the power of prayer. More so than any medication, rife, supplement, ozone therapy, essence therapy, and list goes on.

If we can discuss other medial and alternative therapies to help us get well, what's the harm in posting about the power of prayer.

True this could be moved to off topic, but not many people go there, as it's not a warm and fussy board like it is over here.

I think it's a shame that this post has to be moved...

God Bless you all!

I mean, I am always asking folks here to keep my children in their prayers. Does this mean that I have to post this request only in off topic???

Think about it for a minuet...isn't this getting a little out of hand?

I moved the circle to general but still drama ensued.

Thus, I have moved it to off topic.

Join us, please, if you are interested in prayer.

Thanks,

like...Who in the name of all that's holy has the flippin energy to rag on this??

I'm a Christian and if I saw some other post about another religion or whatever I would not be offended.

If I saw a post praising satan I would think, humm, that's weird. And then I would continue to try to get my insurance company to pay for my Bicillin. If I gave you my insurances phone # would some of you direct your anger at them?

Medical, General, Off Topic, whatever. Who cares?

Don't freak out and devote my every waking hour to this one post.
Life's too short to stress about some words somebody, you've never met bother you this much. They are just words.
I'm about to go to the Dentist! Now that's worth getting upset about.
Everybody have a GREAT DAY!!!!!!!!

THERE IS NO NEED TO ATTACK SOMEONE WHO THINKS DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU.
WE ARE ALL HERE FOR A REASON. LET'S GIVE OUR ENERGY TO GAINING KNOWLEDGE AND HEALING.
AS IN ANY RELATIONSHIP,THERE IS A RESOLUTION.
THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT HAVE FOUND THAT RESOLUTION.
OK, NOW HOW DO I GET TO THE PRAYER SITE.
PEACE,
BJG

Off Topic is the only place where you have had no battles...which is good and what you were after.Peace!!!And that is really saying something since Off Topic is very heated and political...goes along with the territory...and some fail to realise that.

So I hope you will stay in off topic the only place where you have not encountered any controversy.Thank you for your strength and fortitude in this matter.You have received only respect over there considering the possibilties.

You are very kind and compassionate to be in this ping-pong arena. Watch out for IVAN!! Coming up now!