Salt is good for low blood pressure. Vitimin c is good for you although not in massive amounts- can produce kidney damage or even failure. can give you diareah.

I heard celtic sea salt is good for you in general and the best around. I use it on veggies and stuff and add a little to water, as it is full of minerals.

Why are you not wanting to do what has been proven, take abx, enough for enough duration and get cured?

Why? Are you trying to start something?

I believe with a recent infection, most will agree that you can lick this. So, why are you fooling around with your health?

You can answer by clicking that Post Reply button that is found at the TOP AND the BOTTOM of the page...but, then, you know that already, do you not?

Good Luck To All!
Saltydog.

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Originally posted by earthpeace:
So, what is the story about the Vit.C and salt cure? Does it work? What are the pros and cons? Does anyone have experiences?
thank you...

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But then again, high concentrations of anything is no good for you. Whether it's abx or herbal products.

I've heard just a very few people say that it works.

I'm taking salt pills myself cause I'm convinced that my body is not salty enough.

I do believe part of the argumentation for taking salt on www.lymephotos.com, e.g., basically that we humans used to consume much larger amounts of salt and that it helped making our bodies much less of a playground for bacteria.

But I'm only taking an additional 2 g of salt; not the 12 g they suggest on the salt cure.

I would love to believe everything in your posting. But the info you put forth and all the circumstantial evidence of the benefit of the salt treatment just doesn't add up. Here's what bothers me:

1) You claim that it works for everyone. That means the salt treatment is a CURE, does it not?

If so, this newsgroup would be flooded with raves and stories about this treatment, not to mention 100s of thank you postings. There is no such thing going on.

You seem to be the only who has reaped the benefits of the salt treatment; and the salt treatment has been around for a while now.

2) I noticed that you registered your user name on LymeNet this month. But you have had Lyme for 6 years, you said. What was your old user name, and why are you not using it anymore?

3) You must know very well, that people on LymeNet is a hard sell for "cures", don't you?

Since you've had Lyme for 6 years, I'm sure you would understand that stating that "salt treatment is a cure" doesn't cut it around here.

4) You talk about the salt treatment like it's no big deal. You know, just do it and voila you're cured.

If you really wanna help us, and I assume you do since you registered just to post this message, then tell us more.

Much more...like other people on LymeNet that have been cured. Like those 10 people you know of.

I know, I know. You're gonna say that you don't have to do this, and that it's my own loss that I don't believe you. But if you do, then there's no way you had Lyme for 6 years. You'd have a lot more compasion for fellow Lymies.

No one around here is going to submit themselves to 12g salt + 12g VitC and drop everything else, just to see if you're right. Well some people may, but I'm not one of them.

I do know that Gigi and her hubby did this. along with others that are very dedicated to 'optional" treatments....

They both did VERY well on this protocol.

Trout

What were the exact protocol you followed on the salt protocol?

Please be specific about doses and durations and signs of improvement?

And did you take other drugs/herbs while on the salt treatments?

We did Salt and C, both my husband and I.
Though we both had had extensive treatment for parasites with drugs and the Sputnik
(look it up if you have never heard of it), our results were not as drastic as some people's I know. But I have seen and heard of some of the results of other patients that we work with and believe it or not, the things come crawling out of some of them.

There is no one single therapy that will cure Lyme; that has been our own experience and that of my doctor. People usually have to go through many different regimens to finally get the body to the plus side. As I have said a thousand times, many people are infected by Lyme and they handle it quite well; while some of us have a number of underlying problems to start with that makes it impossible to cure Lyme without addressing all others, such as metals, chemicals, parasites, viruses, fungi, etc.

For us Salt & C was a therapy that was easy to do and that added to the overall results, to the extent that both my husband and I are very happily well. In fact, I myself was quite well before we discovered the Salt & C. I did it merely to keep my husband company.

By the way, if you don't go quite the 12 gram of Salt & C, do less. For some, the high amounts are difficult to tolerate, and it depends a lot on how "contaminated" a body is. So start slow and move up gradually to where you can handle it and still be able to make it through the day without hitting the ceiling.

I think we can pretty much forget that there is one single remedy in this world of wonders out there that will kill Lyme and Co. Simply because most of us deal with a lot more than just Lyme and Co. I thought that both my husband and I were super healthy before my tickbite. Our treatment to get rid of Lyme taught us otherwise, and I do not think that we are the exception, but that most Lymies need to address all
"invasions" that should not be in the body in the first place.

I just was told of a recent (not officially published) study done by the U.S. Military
forces in Germany that 60% of all Germans carry Borrelia and co-infections. Relatively few suffer massive problems, starting with fatigue to paralysis, but the increase of neurological diseases in the last few years is unimaginable and exponential. More and more children suffer behavioral and developmental disturbances. Adults often suffer from mysterious neuro problems, Parkinsons, loss of memory, etc.

Does salt/C have negative effect on abx?

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Originally posted by earthpeace:
so... how do we know when to stop treatment? when we get bad reactions, how do we know it is not toxins given off by the invaders.. or if it is our body reacting to the treatment?
If the tests arent very accurate for lyme... how can we know we are rid of it?
do we just have to live with these things in us and keep up our immune system?
i am so confused! please help me! i want to see the light1!

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Earthpeace, I feel kind of bad that you are not getting the answers that you are seeking in your very own post.

First, before jumping the gun and looking at alternative treatments, honestly I would seek a LLMD. A lyme literate doctor. Do you have insurance or prescription coverage?

Since you were bit a month ago and have no symptoms, you are right, that does not mean that you wont come out with symptoms. Your immune system could very well keep it in check. BUT you did mention a ring like rash, right? That is usually proof enough that you have "some type of infection" as you stated. You're right- lyme.

You could possibly also be harboring some of the lovely co infections that a single tick bite can transmit.

Since you are EARLY You have a HUGE CHANCE of getting this treated now and walking away from it for the rest of your life, so In my *opinion* forget this stuff right now, get

evaluated,, and get some abx. If you want to add stuff in like this down the road, so be it. But for right now? At least make sure of exactly what you are dealing with.

Best of luck to you in whatever you chose to do.

Just my opinion

dq

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fraudwatch:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by cave76:
[B] http://lymephotos.com/
This website is a dangerous hoax set up by Ed McSweegan, the former Lyme Program Officer at NIH who got booted out of his post for harassing the directors of the Lyme Disease Foundation.
Lisa,
I could well believe it but how do you know for sure?
The notion of parasite sequestering Bb is not ridiculous, I think it makes a lot of sense even if the website doesn"t
Nelly http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/023272.html
This has been circulating for a while.
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014362.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/022475.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/022651.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/023272.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/023478.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/023647.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/024508.html
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025201.html

There's a short search.

I landed back in the hospital just last week for 9 days....had extensive testing...

My BP was sky high... I am now down to 4 salt tabs a day with 3 liters of H2o.....

Its interesting to hear about this supposed cure, but the bP thing is something you really have to be careful with.

I am not going to try this, as I have alot of GI problems that I am dealing with, and don't want to aggravate the situation, don't know if it would, but not willing to take any chances.

So I thought, since not on abx, and doing samento, I could add more salt and add ester-c again. I haven't touched vit c in months cause I keep hearing that it is no good when on abx. I figure with this and garlic and samento, I might see some results.

J Bacteriol, January 1998, p. 231-235, Vol. 180, No.2 Chemotaxis in Borrelia burgdorferi
Wenyuan Shi,1,2,* Zhaomin Yang,1,2 Yongzhi Geng,1,2 Lawrence E. Wolinsky,1 and Michael A. Lovett3 http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/full/180/2/231?view=full&pmid=9440510

Unique cellular anatomy and distinctive motility enable spirochetes to move effectively in highly viscous bodily fluids. Therefore, it is likely that motility and chemotaxis of spirochetes play a role in pathogenesis. In this work, we studied the chemotactic behavior of B. burgdorferi, a known motile pathogenic spirochete. We found that B. burgdorferi did not exhibit chemotaxis toward sugars or amino acids.

Instead, it moved toward serum, which could enable B. burgdorferi to move toward the bloodstream from tissues. B. burgdorferi avoided high concentrations of KCl, which could serve as a mechanism for B. burgdorferi to stay in the interstitial fluids (since there is a high concentration of KCl inside cells) and penetrate through the cellular junctions.

B. burgdorferi tried to avoid hydrogen peroxide, a chemical released by neutrophils and macrophages to kill bacteria. This could serve as a protective mechanism for B. burgdorferi in its interaction with the immune system.

It is also interesting that motility of B. burgdorferi requires a high concentration of NaCl and pH 7.6, which are the normal physiological conditions for interstitial fluids. In any case, our data suggest that chemotaxis may indeed be important for the pathogenesis of B. burgdorferi. What we report here is a classic example of chemotaxis very similar to those studied in other bacteria; however, through understanding the conditions for motility and chemotaxis of B. burgdorferi and the chemical nature of attractants and repellents, we learned a lot about how nature has modified similar systems for different purposes. In this case, the bacterium is one which is fully motile inside the human body and may use its chemotaxis mechanism to find target tissues.

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Originally posted by TheCrimeOfLyme:

Since you are EARLY You have a HUGE CHANCE of getting this treated now and walking away from it for the rest of your life, so In my *opinion* forget this stuff right now, get

evaluated,, and get some abx. If you want to add stuff in like this down the road, so be it. But for right now? At least make sure of exactly what you are dealing with.

Best of luck to you in whatever you chose to do.

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I agree, for what it's worth! please get evaluated ASAP!

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Originally posted by eric:
What about this study: "It is also interesting that motility of B. burgdorferi requires a high concentration of NaCl and pH 7.6, which are the normal physiological conditions for interstitial fluids" If Bb requires high NaCl, what about salt - C vit protocol?

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I'm just guessing here, and I'm not a doctor, and I sucked at chemistry in school (and I still do.)

It is well known I believe, that Bb doesn't stay long in the bloodstream. It likes tissue, thus preventing our immune system from dealing with Bb in the blood.

If however the conditions in the blood become more favorable by adding salt, the blood may attract Bb thus giving our immune system a second chance to kill Bb.

No? Bad theory? A theory at all?

The above is not a fact. Only food for thought.

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Originally posted by cmichaelo:
I'm just guessing here, and I'm not a doctor, and I sucked at chemistry in school (and I still do.)

It is well known I believe, that Bb doesn't stay long in the bloodstream. It likes tissue, thus preventing our immune system from dealing with Bb in the blood.

If however the conditions in the blood become more favorable by adding salt, the blood may attract Bb thus giving our immune system a second chance to kill Bb.

No? Bad theory? A theory at all?

The above is not a fact. Only food for thought.

Michael

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Originally posted by Saltydog:
I had the parasites coming out of my ears, eyes and sinuses.

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Salty, what does this mean? What happened physically?

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Originally posted by circuspeanut:
Salty, what does this mean? What happened physically?

thanks,
Peanut

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Originally posted by eric:
Hey, how soon did you see those parasites? Are you using Ph neutral C vit - does it matter what kind of C vit is being used? Is it at all necessary to use C vit? What about using Celtic salt? Have you had ups and downs during the protocol?
Thanks Eric

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We did lots and lots of S21/KMT22 (a rife and microcurrent combination specifically designed and pre-programmed for Lyme and all the co-infections in mind, as well as as all other more general infections that seem to want to take over. This kept us always moving in the right direction. I have
described this little gadget on a thread here "Klinghardt Matrix Therapy", some weeks ago.

We did the Salt and C, as well as a moderate version of it, because we just did not need the real killer approach any longer.

We also got rid of all metals in our body.

I do not think that Salt & C alone could be called a cure, but it is a wonderful adjunct to other treatments. I am fairly certain that the people that started the Lymephotos website have also done many other things before they finally resorted to Salt & C. It is very obvious that they did.

A combination of all will bring results as it did for both my husband and myself.

Hope you have an open-minded doctor. Ours treats all chronic disease and Lyme on this basis - every aspect is addressed - not just Lyme infections.

Best wishes to you.

The guy who composed it just made up names for things, and invented "reasons" why he thought things might be happening.

If you don't understand the words, you might be impressed.

The guy who composed this is a physician?
Hah, more like a comedian.

Example:

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It seems as though these nematomorphs form a cocoon, and then start a transformation.

It appears to be initially composed of myelin (nerve tissue).

They travel freely through the body absorbing spinal fluid and blood.

The variety and number of cocoons expelled from the body was shocking.

Nematomorphs are sheltered by our body's fluids and cells.

No wonder doctors don't find evidence of them present when doing an autopsy.

Their shapes and their molecular structure mimic our body tissues.

Because the invaders masquerade as our own bodily substances, our immune system gets confused.

It starts to attack our own body; the autoimmune response.

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What he wrote makes no sense.
I would not follow treatment advice from this joker.

Take care,
Carol

p.s. I know there is a explanation for the way the body makes sure that the level of sodium and other minerals stays constant.

The kidneys retain more water in the bloodstream to dilute any excess sodium, so that your blood and tissues do not become "saltier."

Therefore let's just treat with margaritas...

Charlie

I 6oz can frozen limeade, dump in blender.

refill can with 1/2 tequila, 1/2 triple sec or cointreau or other orange liqueur. Dump in blender.

Fill blender with ice. Blend till smooth. Serve in frozen glasses that you have rubbed a cut lime on the rim and dunked in salt so rim is covered.

This is as good as any restaurant recipe, trust me.

And a fun way to rid system of Bb, a Bb gun of sorts.

happy herxing

That's why Jimmy Buffet has no lyme!

No lyme in Margatritaville!

I was orginally dx.ed in 1997 and had the 6 wk miracle cure for lyme( at least in 97) 6 wks Cef-sporin by IV at 4 grams a day, and all the flagyl I could handle

I was well for 2 yrs after the above *drug-trip* (and it was a heck of a herx trip)

It wasn't the ABX that cured the keetes

Oh no,

It was the daily margarita ingestion---and I mean daily, that I started back on after I finished up all my ABX like a good little girl(not at the same time)

Wasn't a lush or anything of the sort----just had to have the evening cocktail *fix*

In 1999 it came back, and I stopped all cocktailing peramently

So that's were I went wrong.....should have stayed with the Jimmy Buffet homopathic remedy!

This topic is based pon the premise that lyme disease affects no other body function. In my case the constant affront of an infective process literally wore out my endocrine function. A vital hormone in the endocrine system is aldersterone. This hormone balances our sodium with other minerals. If you take large amounts of selective minerals and your body isn't making enough aldersterone to offset the mis balance you are creating you will not live past 12 hours. I know because my body no longer makes any aldersterone and my blood work always swings wildly. Although this is not something that most people have to worry about, if one life is lost because of unknown endocrine -problems then is it worth it?
Am I really so unusual? Isn't the adrenal gland and endocrine system the gate keepers for the infective process, deciding which infections are serious enough to launch a war from the immune system? (along with thymus, etc.)