Bb, we know for certain (microbiologist and Romanian abstract), use up our Mg stores.

They are using Na,sodium (also a mineral), and a TON of a normally weak acid to produce hydrogen, to INactivate PFK, an enzyme Bb is dependent on.

But...a low salt diet is Mg "sparing" (this is why low salt is recommended if you have high BP).

This is what is happening...

Mg low, Ca and K rise at first, but eventually they will drop. This change in K (potassium) effects the Na-K pump, the sodium -potassium pump. The flow of these electrolytes in and out of the cells.

Playing with sodium will impact K and you don't wanna mess with K on your own!!!

You can't hold onto Ca or K if your Mg levels are very, very low.

All the electrolytes have to be in balance. Not an easy task!!!

Using another mineral/metal to sub for a missing one doesn't cut it. That's why gold shots for arthritis patients didn't work and lithium for depression helps, but doesn't truly "cure".

I have theory ,that meybe connects marshall protocol with salt theraphy.
Both subjects where read with great interesting and seems to have positive results
With curing Lyme Disease.

It is known tha Salt absorb water and if there is more salt , more water is in body.
If there is more water in a body result is higher blood pressure.

When there is salt deficiency in the body ,kidneys produces special regulating substance
Called ��renine��.
Renine is a substance that has ability to disconnect from some peptide 10 amino-acids ,
Which are compared in group called peptide angiotensinogen I.
Angiotensinogen I has ability to gently shrink blood-vessels .

Other little blood-vessels that are placed in lungs produce substance ,that has ability
To disconnect from Angiotensinogen I other 2 amino-acids.

New created by renine ,Aniotensine II is the strongest from all known substances shinking
Blood-vessels.

So we have:
salt deficiency-��renine ��angiotensinogen I��angiotensine II
If there is salt deficiency blood pressure is lower (salt makes higher blood pressure) then body
Shrinkes blood vessels using angiotensine II to make blood pressure stable(higher).

Marshall protocol uses drug call ARB (Angiotensine receptor blocker) ,
Because (if i understood it well) believes and it was seen by microscope
that Lyme bacteria creates shapes (see movie http://www.documentary-film.net/auditorium.html)
That were not noticed by pathologist since years and this shapes are very tiny ,
100 times smaller that big Lyme spirochete and they live in fagocytes(body defence cells) ,which should kill the bacteria but they are home for them .
This tiny cocoid forms living in fagocytes directly stymulate production of cytokines
Angiotensine II and 1,25 dihydroxyvitaminum D.

They are known bacterias that have Angiotensine receptors on themselves ,and they use this
Receptors to avoid immune system attack (They act like unrecognized structure as i understood)

Angiotensine receptors blocker(ARB drugs like benicar) blocks angiotensine receptors and makes possibility to immune system track enemy and destroy it.
Seeing schematic above if there won`t be salt deficiency which makes agiotensine II
bacteria won`t be able to use this substance to immitate and will be destroyed.

Tell me please what do you think about it ,is it logic? Did i missed sthink.

I just have hope that bacteria really need salt deficiency to produce angiotensine II.

It takes Mg and Ca to make healthy antibodies...I repeat, healthy ones, that will "fit" (old lock and key analysis)to destroy the bacteria.

Characterization of the physiological requirements for the bactericidal effects of a monoclonal antibody to OspB of Borrelia burgdorferi by confocal microscopy.

The bactericidal effect of Fab-CB2 is not dependent on the induction of spirochetal proteases but is dependent on the presence of Ca2+ and Mg2+.

Supplementation of Ca2(+)- and Mg2(+)-free medium with these cations restored the bactericidal effects of Fab-CB2.
The mechanism by which a Fab fragment of an antibody destroys a bacterium directly may represent a novel form of antibody-organism interaction.

PMID: 9125579 (www.pubmed.com)

A ``novel form of antibody-organism interaction?'' I don't THINK so!

"E. Required by immunological process. Magnesium, immunity, and allergy: Mg is required for several steps of immunological reactions
1. Lymphoblastic transformation, a prerequisite of secretion of antibodies by lymphoblasts, requires Ca2+ and Mg2+
2. Mg is required for synthesis of proteins, immunoglobulins included
3. Antibody-induced complement activation is Mg dependent
4. The antigen-immunoglobulin-complement reaction induces degranulation of the mastocyte"
http://www.mdschoice.com/elements/elements/major_minerals/magnesium.htm

Get to the ROOT of the problem...this pathogen, like many others, contains a metalloprotease (enzyme) in its outer cell walls. This enzyme needs a metal/mineral.

Many pathogens use zinc. Bb and bartonella use Mg. Staph uses iron to replicate.

It's very good. I saw TM speaking at ILADS, but this talk went a little deeper, and the slides on the different forms and shapes of the bacteria, as well as the micro-bacterium living in phacocytes is facinating.

I have no idea whether salt deprivation also allows bacteria to get away with this.. it's interesting to think about.

Mo

My husband and I never did Salt and C or Salt and Apple cider vinegar together with antibiotics or any killing agent. That would be an insult to any body.

We never did or do any therapy ongoing, for a long time, without being tested with ART. In fact, all patients are tested with ART b e f o r e they go on any of these
therapies.

We never took supplements continuously without changes or taking a break. Most people become allergic to them after a while. That's the first thing our doctor does when a new patient comes in with sacks of supplements -- allergic or incompatible with 80% of them. Do a pulse test and check for yourself (a blood pressure wristcuff works great). You can test every substance this way! Even your antibiotics.

It is a well known fact that chronic mercury exposure causes low sodium and calcium levels, and magnesium always is replenished with treatment. The kidneys under these conditions lose salt constantly.
If you live, eat and drink on this earth, you have some level of metal toxicity.

So include the Salt & C in that consideration.

I am not a biochemist nor a doctor. I just learned and paid attention over time what works and what gets some people well. To me that's all that counts. It worked for us.
I would never undertake this without approval or recommendation by my doctor. That's why we pay him - to guide us through this. But of course you need a doctor that does not have tunnel vision and whom you trust.

On January 11, Gigi wrote:
"We never took supplements continuously without changes or taking a break. Most people become allergic to them after a while. That's the first thing our doctor does when a new patient comes in with sacks of supplements -- allergic or incompatible with 80% of them. Do a pulse test and check for yourself (a blood pressure wristcuff works great). You can test every substance this way! Even your antibiotics."

Salt is also magnesium wasting. Lymies are already depleted in mag. This kind of huge salt intake would deplete mag even more, possibly causing people to loose what gains they have made.

I like what was posted about salty dog. It does sound like his is a manufactured testimony in order to promote this scam. The same thing happens with rife machine testimonies. I think a lot of the positive testimonies about how great the machines work are from the manufacturers themselves in order to sell their products. Salty dog claims he is near dead from lyme, yet he appears out of nowhere to proclaim how great this is. Buyer beware.

Micul

1) Has been introduced by someone rumored to be Ed Mc Sweegan, the author of the worst papers written about Lyme. (See http://www.quackwatch.com and search "Lyme" if you haven't heard about him before)

2) Has a success rate based on microscopic parasites coming out of various body orifices - Congratulations to all that managed to isolate a MICROSCOPIC parasite from whatever came out!

3) Has made people "feel like they feel" better, but not enough so that they would continue it.

4) May have serious adverse consequences.

Certain white blood cells (WBC) display several distinct mechanisms that may be employed for the purpose of killing invading microorganisms. One of these deserves particular attention in relation to killing the causative agent of LD, namely, the spirochete Borrelia burgdorferi.
Neutrophils (a class of WBC) contain two essentially different types of storage granules. Peroxidase-positive granules and peroxidase-negative granules. Peroxidase-positive granules contain myeloperoxidase, an enzyme that uses hypochlorous acid (HOCl) in conjunction with H2O2, providing a source of nascent (atomic) oxygen for the purpose of killing invading organisms.
Peroxidase-negative granules contain a family of large polypeptides (11 to 19kDa) known as the cathelicidins or, in humans, hCAP-18. A segment of this larger or precursor protein (aka a Bacteriacidal Permeability-Increasing (BPI) protein) is proteolytically removed by the enzyme elastase found in peroxidase-positive granules. The better-known substrate of elastase is the elastic prtoein incorporating elastase inhibitors into skin creams, attempts are made to inhibit the activity of this enzyme, thereby decreasing the ageing of skin. In Lyme therapy there is an advantage (described below) to increasing the activity of this enzyme, thereby stimulating the natural antimicrobial system. These short peptides, ranging from 12 to 100 amino acids, have the ability to assemble into larger units that form pores in the membrane surrounding microorganisms, thereby increasing the permeability of those membranes. In humans, one of these microbial peptides has been dubbed LL-37.

I have been on the Salt/C protocol for 5 weeks now, and have never felt better in every possible way. Energy to spare, clear thinking, no aches and pains. Can this protocol cause other problems? Possibly. I'll trade my past 35 years of multiple severe life-threatening problems for just one problem any day!!!

At the end of the day, it's your decision. But for goodness sake use some common sense. Anecdotal stories are fine - including mine - but one person's story shouldn't influence the many success stories coming out about Salt/C.

But, something does strike me as odd about the people promoting it.

In this thread alone, there are basically three people pushing the salt treatment, and they are all coming out of nowhere and don't post elsewhere....not that there's anything wrong with that...

They are:

earthpeace (registered sep 2004),
saltydog (registered sep 2004),
phil rich (registered jan 2005)

We know nothing about these people. For sure they don't have a "record" on LymeNet...not that there's anything wront with that.

In theory, these "guys" could be one or more of the people behind lymephotosDOTcom.

IMHO, anyone popping up on LymeNet for the sole purpose of pushing or speaking positively about some treatment AND who doesn't try to back up their claims in a constructive fashion AND who doesn't participate in other discussions (not that there's anything wrong with that), has very little credibility in my book.

Perhaps "troll" or "ghost" is a proper term for such people.

There has been a few people with some "record" that have spoken positively about the salt treatment.

I'm not accusing anyone of having alterior motives with their posts. Just venting a theory.

I don't know what the people behind lymephotosDOTcom have to gain except acceptance of their treatment program. And I don't see a money trail either, except for the CMC company selling the particular salt pills mentioned.

CMC, btw, was charged in 1994 with lack of sanitary conditions in their warehouse and failure to conform to good manufacturing practices as prescribed by federal regulations.

Interestingly, the lymephotosDOTcom website was updated on 01/11/05. Anyone know what was updated?

I have nothing to sell or promote. The course of treatment someone chooses is their own decision. My decision was to be open minded and talk to people in my area who have got better and find out what they did. The therapies I am currently following are ones based on several discussions from people who are well. Would this regimen work for everyone.. don't know. They are making me better and to me that is what's important. I have seen too many people clinging to treatment modalities that haven't done anything for them and that is their decision. I choose to get well and that is what I am doing.

I hope that all your paths to wellness are short ones and know that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

I started the salt/C protochol 1 week ago. I am not up to 12 grams yet more like 6-10grams a day. Trying to warm up to it.

But I have to tell you I feel better. I am still very sick but my outlook is better. I have more energy and my mind is clearer.

I know it's early. I plan to bump my dose today and tommorow. I will keep you guys posted if you want...

Are there hidden agendas here?? To what end???? Curing lyme disease??? wouldn't that be something.

And by the way, I'm from Sydney, Australia and am more concerned speaking to the people reading this thread than answering silly accusations - so for those people reading ... keep an open mind. Hopefully you'll find your own cure.

Would you mind sharing your Na and Cl numbers?

The vinegar also is very beneficial if you have aluminum toxicity.

To the person who said he/she said is working up to 12 gram of salt, You do not necessarily have to go that high. Go as high as you are comfortable - some people just can't do that much. You will have benefits anyhow, just not as quick. Some people just cannot go that high.

To the doubters, do what you must - but quit complaining and knocking therapies that work for some people. If you are still toxic to the hilt and have not done anything besides antibiotics and a few supplements, I agree that it may be too tough for you, because the die-off is too strong.

Results is what counts - or the proof is in the pudding. I do love complainers..........and the doubting thomases, many of them were here on this board in 2000 when I started to post - they cried then and they are still crying now.
This disease is a challenge, and we know it.

Its strictly antedotal. I was on abx for two years. It helped tremendously, but in the end royally played havac with my GI. I'm sure there are side effects to a whole lot of salt. I do know that I'm experiencing all kinds of side effects with lyme....None of them pleasant.

The site promotes a S L O W rampup of the salt and C, NOT a dive in approach.

I'll certainly check back in some time and report my results. Can't say that I've noticed anything yet positive or negative.

I know you take it with water, but for example do you take it on empty stomach, with food, with specific foods?

And how many do you take at a time?

Na and Cl blood levels anyone?

I take my salt with and without food. I just pop the tablets through out the day. With each salt tablet I take a vit. c and an enzyme capsule. I have not had any diarhea or stomach problems so far. What I have noticed is a slow steady improvement of my symptoms...and it is slow but I will take what ever gains I can get. I snowblowed yesterday for about 2 1/2 hours and felt pretty good aftwards. 2 months ago I would have been layed out for a couple of days aftwerward.

As I said before this may or may not be for you...only you can judge that. Just keep an open mind and visit the sites (there are a couple) that deal with this therapy and do your own research.

Good luck with what ever treatment you are following.

My own response to lymephotos.com was originally curious, because of the parasite link, but skeptical, because I am a scientist and it is my job to be skeptical about grandiose claims, such as curing Lyme with salt. Also, after suffering for over 15 years with Lyme, I was tired of treatments that caused more harm than good.

So I told a friend who has Lyme about the site. He actually tried it and gave me a raving report a few weeks later. In my brain fog I had already forgotten about the lymephotos website and was a bit skeptical of his claims. But he insisted I should try it. He told me that after years of weakness (he also has muscular dystrophy), he suddenly, on the salt, was able to spend a full day helping his father remodel their basement. This was impossible. This was not an email friend, this was a former employee of mine who has become a good friend, we spoke F2F about this, I had to believe that something important had happened to him. I could detect the difference in his energy level.

So I decided to try the salt myself. It was an interesting experience, and I felt something happening, it reminded me of my first week on Doxycycline, years ago. But by now I had so much lyme-induced paranoia about EVERYTHING and was so weak and afraid of any treament that might harm me, that I stopped the treatment when I started getting some heavy herxes. The problem was that the herxes on salt were a bit different than other herxes. I started re-living some of my first symptoms, joint pain, itching where I had the original rashes, and bronchitis. This seemed dangerous, so I stopped, fearful of what the salt might do. Well, believe it or not I also talked my buddy out of the protocol, telling him it might be bad for the kidneys, and he stopped to. We both went down-hill again. And we both forgot about the salt (more Lyme brain-fog). If you have Lyme, you KNOW I am not making this up...

Then a few months later I found a Yahoo group trying the salt/C protocol, and decided it was worth one more try, this time with more support. This time I used extensive mineral and nutrient support, which I had not done the first time. The result is nothing short of a miracle. I will admit that I am still worried about possible harm from the salt, but so far, as long as I ramp-up doseage slowly, and take breaks when I get too much pain, I am always able to tolerate the salt, and the kidneys do seem to be getting stronger. And the Lyme is clearly getting weaker. My anxiety levels have gone down significantly, and I can sleep again, after many years on sleeping pills, I am OFF them. If you have been on the Benzodiazapines, you know that this is significant. Few people get off them.

The Salt is also supporting my adrenals, because I also have been able to go off all other adrenal support, and I have needed DGL or Cortisol every day for several years. But no longer, on the salt. Another significant result. And I am not even up to a full dose yet, this is just at 3-4G per day most days.

I will admit that if you are not ready to self-treat, and try something experimental, maybe you do need to wait a few years until more is known about this, and your health care provider/physician can guide you through it. But if you are already self-treating, and know how to read your body and make adjustments, and have a good way to contol herxes (I use chlorella, lemon, and FIR sauna, others use other measures), then I believe this might help.

One last comment - will somebody PLEASE find a smart and honest PhD research biochemist, and put them on the trail of this treatment!!! Something important about killing or controlling Lyme is being revealed here. It is NOT a scam, I know this. What it IS is a discovery, and the early stages of a powerful insight into the nature of Lyme disease. This is the leading edge. We now need some competent analysis of what is happening.

Medicine is far from an exact science. New insights often come from unexpected discoveries like this. Based on my experience the past few months, I now believe that a study of salt/c will reveal important new dimensions of Lyme and can lead to an eventual way to manage the disease.

I'm still a ways from better. But I feel such great hope knowing I could cook dinner again.

These little things are where I can see the improvement. Ahh the little things that we will never take for granted again... LOL

daniella

Question #1 If salt dehydrates the bacteria vis osmosis to kill them, then doesn't it dehydrate our body cells? Then drinking lots of water to replenish our body cells would also replenish the bacteria's water?

Question #2 What is the purpose of the vitamin C with the salt?

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Originally posted by eric:
Hi, I would like to know how is everybody doing on vit C and salt? Pros/cons?

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I only started Salt / Vit C 7 weeks ago...great improvement in energy/ stamina....so....much better

But not well at the moment....7 weeks since started the NaCl....(systemic muscle, joint, connective tissue pain now) after making BIG improvements... and last night was kept awake for several hours with pain/creeply crawly thing happening, 'skin itchies', feeling like things moving under the skin, mainly in ano-genital area but back/ thighs, abdomen, but also little sharp stabbing, sometimes more jabbing pain with a wider focus, and pin prick like pains ..that last several seconds or longer. One in particular was inside a nostril a week ago..very sharp needle type pain... felt like something 'outing' ...!!!! Guess mucosa is more sensitive to minute trauma...more nerve endings.......?? A wee wee worm??? Who knows ..has anyone had similar experiences???

Is this the usual description that people starting Salt / Vit c report??

The creepy crawly feelings under the skin, in bed at night I have had for several years ....I have always freq. wormed myself ..(for round worm, and thread worm...for that is what it felt like..) ..but now the sensations are hugely exaggerated...

my background is.......10 yrs undiagnosed /untreated Lyme...almost dead by diagnosis..then 4ys Abx...including 4mnths of IV ceftriaxone...all helped enormously...although several of the J-H when starting a new Abx were potentilly life threatening...!!But defintely now the best ever

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Originally posted by chriscross:

I only started Salt / Vit C 7 weeks ago...great improvement in energy/ stamina....so....much better

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Yes, this is happening for me also - in between herxes. The herxes however, sometimes knock me down on my a$$, but then I just lower the dose a little and feel immediately better.

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But not well at the moment....7 weeks since started the NaCl....(systemic muscle, joint, connective tissue pain now) after making BIG improvements... and last night was kept awake for several hours with pain/creeply crawly thing happening, 'skin itchies', feeling like things moving under the skin, mainly in ano-genital area but back/ thighs, abdomen, but also little sharp stabbing, sometimes more jabbing pain with a wider focus, and pin prick like pains ..that last several seconds or longer. One in particular was inside a nostril a week ago..very sharp needle type pain... felt like something 'outing' ...!!!! Guess mucosa is more sensitive to minute trauma...more nerve endings.......?? A wee wee worm??? Who knows ..has anyone had similar experiences???

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Yes, absolutely. I get these feelings of itchy skin, and sometimes a crawling sensation. Occasionally it feels like a very small needle jab...

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Is this the usual description that people starting Salt / Vit c report??

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Yup. This is usual. Normal to a T.

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my background is.......10 yrs undiagnosed /untreated Lyme...almost dead by diagnosis..then 4ys Abx...including 4mnths of IV ceftriaxone...all helped enormously...although several of the J-H when starting a new Abx were potentilly life threatening...!!But defintely now the best ever

Cheers

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My bkgrnd is 17 years undiagnosed - and this is a recent diagnosis. Have never taken abx for it (since didn't know what it was) - but my plan is to try abx if the salt/c fails.

But so far the s/c is working. I feel better in between herxes - although some of the herxes have been difficult to get through - I have so far gotten through them. If it ever gets "too bad" just back down on the dose for a day or two...

Keep us posted - although this is new (and very controversial, sadly, just like everything in Lyme I guess), it seems to be performing as advertised so far.

KLP

after three pretty nasty days of systemic muscle/joint connective tissue pain and the creepy crawlies , needle pricks and migrating "itchies", now much better and the intense cutaneous skin "happenings" manily subsided...is this a normal occurrance on the salt?Vit C protocol..that the intense cuataeous skin 'business' only happens when you are 'unwell'...or do the skin issues happen at any point in time ..even when yu are feeling good?

I really appreciated your last feedback....

I am an open minded sceptic.. I am bringing home a microscope to see....let you know !!!

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Originally posted by KeyLymePie:

My bkgrnd is 17 years undiagnosed - and this is a recent diagnosis. Have never taken abx for it (since didn't know what it was) - but my plan is to try abx if the salt/c fails.

But so far the s/c is working. I feel better in between herxes - although some of the herxes have been difficult to get through - I have so far gotten through them. If it ever gets "too bad" just back down on the dose for a day or two...

Keep us posted - although this is new (and very controversial, sadly, just like everything in Lyme I guess), it seems to be performing as advertised so far.

KLP

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" If salt dehydrates the bacteria via osmosis to kill them, doesn't it dehydrate our body cells? Then drinking lots of water to replenish our body cells would also replenish the bacteria's water?"

As I understand it, the resistant bugs are L-forms - they have shed their cell wall and have a very vulnerable membrane. This makes them invisible to our immune system but extremly vulnerable to osmotic gradients.

Our cells are very stable in hyperosmotic environments - to a degree. Water should be drunken only, when the thirst comes. Being thirsty means however, that we are already in the hyperosmolar state. So when we drink, it is too late for the critters already. But it is true: do not push the drinking! Wait for the thirst naturally! (per Dr. K., WA)

"What is the purpose of the vitamin C with the salt?"

Vitamin C creates a hyperosmolar state also. Both have a synergistic effect, but different chemistry.

Is it the difference between a microbial cell and a mammalian cell? The mammalian cell protects itself - the microbe doesn't?

They are both extremely similar. However, microbes have to modify their cell wall to evade the immune system (see above). Lida Mattman is the world expert on the L-forms (cell wall deficient bugs).

Take care.

" If salt dehydrates the bacteria via osmosis to kill them, doesn't it also dehydrate our body cells? Then drinking lots of water to replenish our body cells would also replenish the bacteria's water?"

As I understand it, the resistant bugs are L-forms - they have shed their cell wall and have a very vulnerable membrane. This makes them invisible to our immune system but extremly vulnerable to osmotic gradients. Our cells are very stable in hyperosmotic environments - to a degree.

Water should be drunken only, when the thirst comes. Being thirsty means however, that we are already in the hyperosmolar state. So when we drink, it is too late for the critters already. But it is true: do not push the drinking! Wait for the thirst naturally! (per Dr.K, WA)

" What is the purpose of the vitamin C with the salt?"

Vitamin C creates a hyperosmolar state also. Both have a synergistic effect, but different chemistry.

"Is it the difference between a microbial cell and a mammalian cell? The mammalian cell protects itself - the microbe doesn't?"

They are both extremely similar. However, microbes have to modify their cell wall to evade the immune system (see above). Lida Mattman is the world expert on the L-forms (cell wall deficient bugs).

Take care.

P.S. By the way, Salt & C alone with nothing else ever to address or correct or add, I do not believe is a cure for Lyme on its own. Neither does my doctor. Look at "Lyme Disease: A look beyond Antibiotics" at www.neuraltherapy.com/articles. It's just a nasty disease, but Salt & C does a great deal toward the goal.

Most tick bites do get red because the tick puts saliva into your skin, and the saliva causes irritation and reddening. This does not mean you have Lyme disease.

Several factors influence risk. First, it helps to know the tick infection rate in your area. You might call the public health dept or the agricultural station. If the infection rate is low, your chance of acquiring infection is low.

Promptly removing biting ticks is key to preventing transmission of disease agents. In one study, experimentally infected Ixodes pacificus nymphs do not EFFICIENTLY [emphasis added] transmit Bb to mice until ticks have been attached for 3-4 days, HOWEVER 11% of mice became infected after only 2 days of tick attachment (<=48hrs.)(1)

Matuschka and Spielman reported that about 5% of infected I dammini (i.e. scapularis) nymphs transmit Bb in the first day (24hr), about 50% after 2 days. (2) J. Piesman et al. reported that Ixodes ticks transmitted Lyme disease to 1 of 14 rodents exposed for 24 hours, 5 of 14 rodents exposed for 48 hours, and 13 of 14 rodents exposed for 72 or more hours. The authors concluded that prompt removal of ticks is important. (3) Patmas and Remora reported on a case of Lyme disease that was transmitted after only 6 hours of attachment by a deer tick. The authors concluded that, ``The current recommendation against treatment of short-duration tick bites may need reconsideration.'' (4)

Proper removal is also important. If you squeezed, burned, mutilated, or did anything besides just pulling the tick straight out with fine-pointed tweezers or special tick removing tool, the risk is higher.

Whether or not to use prophylactic treatment is a decision you should make with your doctor, considering the risk of infection vs. the risk of treatment (treating has very low risk of side effects). You can check www.ilads.org, Burrascano guidelines for recommendations on prophylactic treatment.

1 Peavey CR, Lane RS. Transmission of Borrelia burgdorferi by Ixodes pacificus nymphs and reservoir competence of deer mice (Peromyscus maniculatus) infected by tick-bite. J Parisitol 1995;81:175-178
2 Matuschka FR, Spielman A. Risk if infection from and treatment of tick bites. Lancet 1993;342;8870:529-30
3 Piesman, J, et al. Duration of Tick Attachment and Borrelia Burgdorferi Transmission. J Clin Microbiol. 1987 Mar;25(3):557-8.
4 Patmas, MA, Remora, C. Disseminated Lyme Disease After Short-Duration Tick Bite. JSTD 1994; 1:77-78

Of the solutions studied, potassium permanganate and Labarraque's solution destroyed the red and white corpuscles to such an extent that it was impossible to recognize anything in the preparations.

A similar effect was noted with Formalin.
Other solutions were less destructive. These included hydrogen peroxide, phenolic acid, Gram's solution, and cyanide of mercury. Sodium chloride was somewhat better.

Tests showed that, as antiseptics, these solutions were inadequate. The problem was to kill the microbes without killing the blood cells.

Since table salt (sodium chloride) showed up best in all these tests, various solutions of this type were tested but did not compare with the effectiveness of magnesium chloride.

Delbet says, "A solution of magnesium chloride at 12.1 parts per 1,000 gave extraordinary results.
It increased the proportion of phagocytosis [killing microbes] by 75 per cent as compared with the solution of sodium chloride at 8 parts per 1,000 which itself gave 63 per cent more than the Locke-Ringer's solution.

The increase is based on the number of polynucleates [white cells] as well as the phagocytic [germ-destroying] power of each of them.

"These experiments prove that a solution of desiccated chloride of magnesium at 12.1 parts per 1,000 has a special effect on the white corpuscles, which is not the case with either physiological serum [a solution of chloride of sodium at seven parts per 1,000] or seawater, or the solution of Locke-Ringer which was considered best for maintaining the activity of cells.

I am sorry if this is rude, Pmerve, but this

comment had to make me laugh, and I mean

laugh. I live in a state, where there is NO

LYME!!! HOwever, my Daughter,

granddaughter, life long friend and her

granddaughter all have diagnosed Lyme. I

suspect that I know several other people

that also have it here that are in the

process of getting tested. It scares the

hell out of me that if I know this many

people who have it here, how many people

REALLY have undiagnosed Lyme and don't have a clue why they are always sick and never

get better with all the meds their ducks give them. YOu can NOT go by the reported

cases in the area that you were bit, since in states where there is no Lyme we have to

go out of state to get treatment, therefore it NEVER gets reported. LLMD's do not

report cases to the CDC and our local health dept. that are from other states as far as I know.

pmerv was actually talking about the tick infection rate, not the human rate of infection as demonstrated by reported cases. This is very different. The local health dept may not know the tick infection rate, though. I called them to see what they knew about babesia. Never heard of it, said it wasn't reportable. This is in a lyme endemic state.

Later I read something that came out of the state dept. of health. Said babesia rare in the state. Well, if no one has heard of it, and it is not reportable, then what is rare is recognizing it! Think our state and federal health agencies way behind on all tickborne diseases.

The theory is that Lyme is not just a bacterial disease, but a l s o an infestation of microfilarial w o r m s . Bacteria, worms, internal mites and the possibility of other creatures. My doctor has long, long ago treated patients based on that theory. All chronically ill go through that program in varied forms.

Ticks can transfer many types of pathogens into the body of their host. It is also possible that the tick could pick up a new pathogen and pass it on to their next host, explaining why Lyme patients have different types of organisms within their bodies.

More from the Lymephoto site: "Shortly after starting the treatment, we were shocked by the presence of the worms. Microfilarial worms live symbiotically with bacteria. They p r o t e c t the b a c t e r i a from being e x t e r m i n a t e d by the a n t i b i o t i c s.
Our theory is that the microfilarial worm, though possibly a nematode, is a parasitic nematomorph which we name Paragordius Lyme Incorporehumani, ..........."

Sorry to emphatically disagree again with the nay-sayers: The Brit who came up with this protocol found (in the skin rashes and other body " material") countless until then nameless microparasites - mutated forms of Taenia, Filaria and other worms. In my doctor's practice: have found worms coming out of skin that changed into flying insects two days later, that besides tapeworms, ascaris, etc. etc. and many unidentifiables.

My doctor came to the very same conclusion. This is one of the reasons he starts "deworming" clients in the e a r l y stage of Lyme treatment. The high salt concentration kills large parasites by osmotically induced dehydration (osmotic shock). High salt levels also increase the enzyme elastase which has a strong antimicrobial/anti-spirochete effect.

As is often the case when something goes against the "established" theories, the British parasitologist was "turned down" and could not publish his findings in a professional journal; so he turned to the internet to make the findings public.

None of that -- about salt --- is new - when the Chinese get sick, they drink warm water with salt in it! They have done so for centuries.

Take care.

But how do you explain the hundreds of experiences on the lymestrategies yahoo site? Collective delusion???!!!

Educate yourself about salt. Try starting with Salt:grain of life.

Sunny thoughts,
Wallace

I'm on it now for 3 weeks, 10 grams of both and I really feel like I am improving.

I'm also doing rife for 2 months, once a week and have really tried to correct my diet.

I'm not going to say it's a cure but in my case it was worth a try since I really need to get back to work(just like others,I'm sure).

I honestly don't believe lyme can be beat with just one treatment protocol. Lately I've felt the best I have in a long time and I don't want to go backwards so I hope my improvement continues.

I am not a doctor or researcher but I do investigate things before I try them and I have spoken to numerous people before starting rife and salt/c.