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Thanks for your thoughts Gigi. Even Biological dentists disagree. It will be interesting to see how the treatment plan from the second biological dentist differs from the first.
If a dentist is very skilled in this area I can understand him saying you dont need a cavitat done.
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Near the end of this article by Weston Price he says that arthritis(which I have) infects the teeth.
Sunny thoughts, Wallace The following are summaries from Dr Weston Price's book " Dental Infections and the Degenerative Diseases". source: BCD
The Italicised sections represent the dental professions old and current beliefs- the bold print represents Price's conclusions from research on literally thousands of patients. I include these summaries to demonstrate that the knowledge that Dr price gave to the world is still far ahead of the current dental thinking and teaching. It should be noted that the techniques and beliefs are not different to any great degree today as they were at the time of writing 1923. To date there is little research which refutes the findings of Dr Price. By far the majority of current endodontic research supports the findings listed below.
No 1 Roentgen Ray limitation Roentgen rays of teeth will reveal the presence or absence of infection The apparent extent of the resorption will indicate the extent of the infection. An area of absorption if present can be disclosed by the X-ray. A] Roentgenograms do not reveal infection and may or may not reveal its effects. B] The extent of the absorption does not express the extent of the infection, except in part as the individuals reaction to the infection is understood.
C] An area of absorption of the supporting tissue at the apex of a tooth or laterally, may not be disclosed because of any of the following conditions; 1- being hidden by a part of that tooth, such as another root. 2- A heavy mass of bone such as the malar bone. 3- a layer of condensing osteitis obscuring the area of rarefying osteitis.
No 2 Bacterial Cause
If dental infections produce disturbances in other parts of the body, it is because the organism that has changed to invade that tissue is one having the specific qualities for that invasion and localisation regardless of the host, much as the organisms of erysipelas and mumps will respectively select the skin and parotid gland.
Dental infection involving root canals and their apices and supporting structures practically always contain streptococci, of which, biologically , there are many types or strains any one of which may be the important causative factor for any of the types of rheumatic type group lesions, regardless of biological classification. The elective localisation and attacking qualities are developed by the environment and are, consequently of the soil or host.
No 3 Local - Oral - Structural Changes
A) Dental infection in bone will express itself as absorption
B) A given dental infection will express itself in the local tissue of the mouth approximately the same in all people
A] Dental infection in bone may express itself as absorption , even extensive absorption , or may be attended by very little absorption, or may even be attended by a marked increase in bone density.
B] A given dental infection will not express itself in the local tissues of the mouth approximately the same in all people. People tend to divide into groups with regard to this matter of local reaction, which groups are very dissimilar.
No 4 Systemic reactions - Are Human Beings comparable?
Human beings are similar in their susceptibility to reactions to dental infections or sufficiently so that they may be considered comparable and be so judged by the same standards.
Human beings do not react with sufficiently uniform similarity to justify the premise that they can all be judged by the same standards and, therefore may be comparable in their susceptibility to systemic involvement form dental infections. They can however be divided into groups , the members of which are sufficiently similar to be judged by the same general standards , and they of that group may , therefore be considered comparable. On the basis of this quality of susceptibility , they readily classify in to three groups : those with an inherited susceptibility , those with an acquired susceptibility , and those without a susceptibility to rheumatic group lesions..
5 - Relationships between local and systemic reactions.
Since, according to the presumption all individuals are similar ,and since dental infections are entirely dependant for their characteristics upon the type of organisms which has chanced to secure access therefore there are no characteristics upon the type of organism which has chanced to secure access therefore there are no characteristics of the local tissue pathology which are related to the degree of susceptibility or nature of systemic involvement.
Local dental pathology about an infected tooth has variations which make grouping and classification easily possible on this basis, which groups have a direct relationship with similar groupings that can be made on the basis of susceptibility to rheumatic group lesions. The local and systemic expressions are not only related, but are both symptoms of the same controlling forces and conditions.
No 6 Visible absorption and tooth infection
A) A tooth without visible absorption at its apex is not infected.
B) A tooth with visible absorption at its apex is infected.
A] Teeth without absorption at their apices can be, and frequently are, infected in the pulp, dentine and apical tissue.
B] Teeth with periapical absorption can have the same produced by irritating medication or trauma.
No 7 Caries and pulp infection
Pulps of teeth not exposed by caries are not infected
Teeth with moderate caries frequently and with deep caries generally , have their pulps already infected to some extent through this channel.
No 8 Periodontitis and pulp infection
Pulps of teeth with pockets from periodontitis not involving the apex are not infected.
Teeth with shallow or moderate pockets frequently and with deep pockets usually, have their pulps already infected to some extent from that source.
No 9 Caries and Systemic involvement
Their is no relationship between caries and systemic involvement.
Susceptibility to caries and systemic involvement from dental lesions are proportional, both as cause and effect and as related symptoms.
No10 Periodontitis and systemic involvement
With an increase in susceptibility to periodontitis there is a marked increase in susceptibility to rheumatic group lesions.
Individuals with marked susceptibility to periodontitis have, as a group , a decreased susceptibility to rheumatic group lesions during the period of its active development (In its secondary stages it may contribute to rheumatic group lesions) ; or very marked susceptibility to rheumatic group lesions tend , in general to be free of periodontitis; and when rheumatic susceptibility does develop it would generally be classed as an acquired factor
No11 Periodontal and Apical reactions
There is no relationship between the extent of apical absorption from a pulp involvement and the presence or absence of periodontal absorption from a gingival irritation.
There is a direct relationship between tendency to absorption of alveolar bone in response to irritation , whether at the gingival border or at the root apex. and individuals with extensive periodontitis have for a given dental infection much more extensive areas of absorption at the apex of infected roots , than do patients without a tendency to periodontitis.
No 12 Relation of apical absorption to Danger.
The quantity or extent of the absorption is a measure of the danger, or otherwise expressed , the size or extent of the disclosed area of absorption at e apex of the root of a tooth is directly an expression of the quantity of infection and, therefore a measure of the danger from it.
Since different people react differently ,through a wide range, to a given infection , the extent of the are a of absorption is not a measure of the danger; but on the contrary it may be, and frequently is true that the patient suffering severely from a systemic reaction caused by a dental infection, shows very little absorption compared with that which the same dental infection would produce in a patient with ample and high resistance.
No 13 Nature of fistula discharge.
Flowing pus from a fistula is necessarily, very dangerous to the patient since it is an expression of the quantity of local infection and therefore a measure of the danger from it.
Since an adequately active defence against a dental infection, both locally and systemically , produces a vigorous local reaction with attending extensive absorption and the products of inflammatory reaction, namely, exudate and plasma in sufficient quantities to require an overflow, usually spoken of as pus from a fistula, this overflow may be, and usually is , evidence of an active defence, and is constituted almost wholly of neutralised products and is often sterile, and such a condition is much more safe than the same infected tooth without such an active local reaction.
No 14. Root Canal Medications
A) Infected teeth can be sterilised readily by medication
B) Usual medications do not injure the supporting structures
A] Infected teeth can be completely sterilised in the mouth only with great difficulty, or by the use of medicaments whose irritability readily injures the vitality of the supporting structures of the teeth.
B] Many of the usual methods used for the sterilisation of infected teeth do serious injury to the supporting structures about the teeth.
No 15 Root Canal Fillings.
Root fillings fill root canals and continue to do so.
Root fillings rarely fill pulp canals sufficiently perfectly to shut out bacteria completely or permanently. Root fillings usually fill the pulp canal much less perfectly some time after the operation than at the time of the operation , due to the contraction of the filling material. The ultimate contraction of the root filling is approximately the amount of solvent used where a solvent is used with gutta-percha as a root filling material. Infection is a relative matter , and quantity and danger are both related to defence, which defence may vary from high to incredibly low.
No16 Comfort as a Symptom
Local comfort and efficiency of treated teeth are an evidence and measure of the success of an operation.
Local comfort is not only not a certain index of success or safety , but may constitute both what is probably one of the greatest paradoxes and one of the costliest diagnostic mistakes through injury to health, that exists in dental and medical practice , because it may only mean the absence of local reaction which would , if present, incidentally make the tooth sore ,and fundamentally destroy the infection at its source whereas, the absence of this local reaction and the consequent destruction of the infection products, permits them to pass through the body to irritate and break down that patients most susceptible tissue, which tissue can be anticipated very frequently, if not generally.
No17 Capacity for infection of root filled teeth
When infected teeth produce disturbances in other parts of the body, it is primarily because the patient is overwhelmed by a large quantity of infection.
When infected teeth produce disturbances in other parts of the body it is not necessary that the quantity of infection be large, nor is it demonstrated that it is necessary that organisms always pass through the body or to the special tissues involved, but the evidence at hand strongly suggests that soluble poisons may pass from the infected teeth to the lymph or blood circulation, and produce systemic disturbances entirely out of proportion to the quantity of poison involved. The evidence indicates that this toxic substance may , under certain conditions, sensitise the body or special tissues, so that very small quantities of the toxin or of the organism which produce it, may produce very marked reactions and disturbances in that tissue.
No 18 Studies of pulpless teeth.
Have pulpless teeth injurious contents other than micro organisms?
Infected teeth may contain in addition to micro organisms, toxic substances which produce very profound effects upon experimental animals, and which tend to prepare the tissues of the host, at least in some cases, for a more ready invasion by the organisms from the tooth.
No 19 Haematological Changes in the Blood
What changes are produced on the blood and sera of the body by dental infections?.
Dental infections may produces very serious changes in the blood and sera of the body, some of the most frequent of which are leucopoenia, erythropenia, lympocytosis and haemophilia.
What are the chemical changes that are produced in the blood by acute and chronic dental focal infections.?
Dental focal infections tend to produce in many instances, one of several chemical changes in the blood, which changes also tend to be produced in animals when an infected tooth is placed beneath its skin, and similarly, with certain methods of inoculation with the culture grown from these teeth. Some of the changes most frequently found involve;
a] the Ionic Calcium of the blood.
b] the presence of a pathologically combined quantity of calcium in the blood.
c] a reduction of the alkali reserve of the blood
d] the development of acidosis
e] an increase in blood sugar
f] an increase in uric acid
g] the development of nitrogen retention
h] the development of products of imperfect oxidation
No 21 Contributing overloads which modify defensive factors.
What are contributing factors causing a break in resistance
Dental infections, while potentially harmful, may not be causing apparent or serious injury until the individual is subjected to some other overload, at which time a serious break may come. The chief contributing overloads are;
influenza, malnutrition, exposure, grief, worry, heredity, and age.
No 22 Effective localisation and tissue and organ susceptibility phenomena.
do the organisms of dental infections posses or acquire tissue affinity and elective localisation qualities.?
Dental infections may or may not contain organisms with a specific elective localisation quality for certain tissues of the body. When they do so it is generally because the host is suffering , or has previously suffered, from an acute process in that tissue, which acute process frequently, entirely and permanently, disappears with the removal of the focus of infection. There is evidence to indicate that the complete removal of an organ so affected, does not destroy that elective localisation quality in the micro organisms of the focus. Defence and absence of defence to streptococcal infection as an organ and tissue quality, seems definitely to be related to inheritance, and as such obeys the laws of mendealian characteristics.
No23 Environment produced by infected pulples tooth.
What are the characteristics of the habitat and environment furnished for bacteria in an infected pulpless tooth?
Since an infected tooth is a fortress for bacteria within the body of the host, and since , in accordance with the laws governing solvents and solutes , the dissolved substances within the tooth can pass to the outside of it, and, similarly, the dissolved substances outside the tooth, san pass to the inside of it, together with the fact the defensive mechanisms of the body are quite unable to enter and reach the bacteria within the tooth except in exceedingly small numbers through the natural openings of the root, which openings will, however , permit the organisms to pass at will from within the tooth to the outside, we must conclude that an infected tooth furnishes a condition and environment that is tremendously in favour of the invading organism inhabiting it, as compared with the host, since the latter may only rid itself of the menace by exfoliating it or absorbing it.
No24 Elective localisation and organ defence.
Do diseased organs and tissues modify bacteria growing in the distant focus, or create in them a capacity for localisation for those diseased tissues?
We are led to conclude from the available data, that we do not as yet have sufficient information to draw a close distinction between the influences of the organisms on the affected organ, in contradistinction to the influences of the diseased organ upon the organisms in the focus. The available data suggest strongly, if they do not definitely indicate, that both these conditions exist, in some instances, either one acting entirely alone, and in some others there are indications that both exist at the same time.
No25 Relation of Irritant to Type of Reaction
Have we different products from dental infection?
The evidence available indicates that infected teeth elaborate two distinctly different products, one being bacteria, and the other a toxic substance or group of toxic substances, which, independently of the organisms developing them, may produce various and profound disturbances in tissues in various parts of the body, one of the important group of disturbances being that of the blood stream.
No26 Chemotaxis as a Means for Increasing Defence
Can defence for streptococcal infections be increased by introducing enterally or parentally (by ingesting or injecting) chemicals?
These preliminary experiments would seem to suggest that, means can be developed which will eventually assist, by chemical means in the defence of the body against the invading streptococcal organisms of dental origin or from other sources which produce the rheumatic group lesions.
No27 The Effect of Radiation on Dental Pathological Lesions.
Can periodontoclasia and apical abscess and inflammation be cured by various types of radiation?
a)These three formes of radiation - namely, Roentgen-ray, radium radiation, and ultraviolet as generated from mercury vapour and quartz tube - have definite effect on cell resistance and proliferation, and thus directly upon tissue reaction expressions such as pus, bacterial invasion, and granulation.
b)Some of these forces are apparently definitely harmful; others are apparently definitely helpful.
No28 Gingival Infections, Their Pathology and Significance
Are the present theories regarding the aetiology of periodontoclasia, or so-called pyorrhoea alveolar, correct?
a) Inflammatory processes of the tissues about the teeth are a direct expression, and therefore a measure of the vital capacity for reaction of that individual to an irritant, during those stages of these lesions, characterised by an abnormally high vital reaction. b)The individual, who has had this capacity for a very active reaction to the presence of irritants, may pass into a condition or state in which he or she has lost that high defensive factor, at which time several changes develop including a cessation of the absorption of alveolar bone, a lowering of the alkalinity of the periodontoclasia pockets, a change in their bacterial flora, all of which may provide under these later conditions a focus for systemic infection of the most dangerous type, though they may have ceased to have evidence either of local inflammatory disturbance, or exudate as pus.
c) To the ordinary observer, lay or professional, these two very dissimilar states are considered to be similar or identical though they potentially very different.
d) These different periodontal expressions or reactions to irritations are accompanied by, and doubtless related to, changes in the ionic calcium and alkali reserve of the blood.
No29 Aetiological Factors in Dental Caries
What are the dominant aetiological factors in dental caries?
Dental caries is dependent upon the following factors:
a) A reduction in the hydrogen ion concentration of the normal environment of the tooth.
b) An acid producing bacterium.
c) A change in the chemical constituents of the pabulum bathing the tooth.
No30 The Nature of Sensitisation Reactions
Do dental infections produce sensitizations of an anaphylactic character?
a) Teeth contain substances other than bacteria to which the individual may become sensitized, and which substances may, in addition, have strong toxic properties.
b) The evidence here presented suggests that dental infections are capable of producing in an individual a state of anaphylactic sensitisation, which condition may entirely and apparently permanently disappear with the removal of the dental infections. These disturbances may occur in dermal tissues, mucous membranes of the nose and throat, lacrimal tissues, mucous membranes of the bronchioles and air passages, as asthma, and the mucous membranes of the digestive tract and a number of other types of tissues.
No 31 Pre cancerous Skin Irritations
Are there relationships between pre cancerous skin irritations and dental infections?
The evidence available suggests:
a) That dental infections may produce localised anaphylactic reactions, as irritations of the skin and mucous membranes.
b) That these sensitizations may develop into pre cancerous conditions.
No32 Dental Infections and Carbohydrate Metabolism
What, if any, is the relationship between dental infections and carbohydrate metabolism?
Dental infections may produce marked changes in carbohydrate metabolism and probably structural and degenerative changes in the islets of Langerhans of the pancreas, with the production of hyperglycaemia and glycosuria.
No33 Marasmus
Why do people with rheumatic group lesions tend to be underweight?
Dental infections, when they affect the patient systemically, frequently, if not generally, produce a depression of the individual's weight; and marasmus, whether mild or severe, may be considered one of the diagnostic symptoms in studying the relation of dental infections to general health.
No34 Pregnancy Complications
Do dental infections have a bearing on pregnancy complications?
a) These researches have shown that in animals, infections from dental origin may have a very far-reaching effect on each the expectant mother and her foetus, which latter may be prematurely expelled or may be rendered lifeless.
b) Inasmuch as a large number of our serious cases of rheumatism, heart, and kidney involvements, have their origin at the time of pregnancy in humans, in which cases our clinical histories show that there have been present extensive dental focal infections, it is suggested as important, if not imperative, that expectant mothers shall be free from dental focal infections, both for their own safety and efficiency and for the continued vitality of the foetus.
No35 Spirochaete and Amoeba Infections
Do organisms other than streptococci enter the human system through dental infections?
While the streptococcus seems universally to be present in dental infections in practically all cases of systemic involvement, in addition to this variety the evidence seems to establish that each staphylococci and spirochaetes may pass from infected teeth to other tissues and proliferate in localised areas; and, similarly, that when certain mixed strains are injected into experimental animals, localised spirochaete infections may develop in their tissues. Systemic involvements from spirochaete infections and their localisation in experimental animals are, however, relatively rare.
No36 Nutrition and Resistance to Infection
What is the relation of nutrition to resistance to dental infection?
The data at hand suggest:
a) That the effects of variations in the diet do not express themselves quickly in specific defence.
b) That variations in diet by the limitation of various vitamins produces effects which, in general, are similar to those of overload.
c) Deficiency diets, particularly disturbances resulting in a calcium hunger, tend directly to lower the defence to dental infections.
No37 The Relation of the Glands of Internal Secretion to Dental Infections and Developmental Processes.
What is the relation of the glands of internal secretion to dental infections in developmental processes?
We would summarise these studies as follows:
a) Dysfunctions of various of the glands of internal secretion are often very materially corrected, and sometimes completely so, by the removal of dental focal infections.
b) Involvements have frequently been produced in similar endocrine tissues of the animals by inoculating them with the cultures from the teeth of the involved patients.
c) The administration of the extracts of the glands of internal secretion, particularly of the parathyroid, is shown to be of distinct benefit in certain cases of depressed ionic calcium of the blood, due in part to dental focal infections, where this improvement has been absent or slow following the removal of the dental infections.
d) An improvement has been produced in individuals, which we interpret to be due to a stimulation of the pituitary body, which in turn doubtless stimulates other ductless glands and together with them produces a marked change in both physical and mental states.
No38 The Nature and Function of the Dental Granuloma.
Is the dental granuloma a pus sac and its size a measure of the danger?
a) The so-called granuloma is a misnomer, for it is a defensive membrane and not a
neoplasm.
b) A normally functioning periapical quarantine tissue is Nature's effective mechanism for protecting that individual by destroying the organisms and toxins immediately at their source, and thereby completely prevent the tissues of that individual's body from exposure to either of these agencies.
No39 Changes in the Supporting Structures of the Teeth, Due to Infection and Irritation Processes
What are the changes produced in the supporting structures of the teeth, which are due to infection and irritation processes?
Characteristic localised structural changes develop in the supporting structures of teeth when the latter carry infection within their structures. These changes are, however, determined chiefly by the host and are an expression of the reacting characteristics of the host rather than an expression of the invading bacterium.
No40 Dental Involvement Caused By Arthritis
Can arthritic infections of the body attack and devitalise the Teeth?
a) It will be seen from these data that a systemic involvement of multiple arthritis may, while attacking various joints of the body, also attack those of the joints of the teeth; and, further, that this process of inflammation with degenerative and proliferative processes may cause the involvement and ultimate death of the pulp.
b) The involvement of these teeth as a result of the progressive systemic arthritis may in turn, and doubtless frequently, if not generally, does aggravate the general condition, for the tooth structure when it becomes infected is even less capable of vasculariztion and therefore less amenable to the processes of defence than is bone. This stresses the very great importance that individuals having deforming arthritis shall have most careful dental inspection and care, and also, since it is one of the most horrible of living deaths, every effort should be made to prevent the beginning of that process; and since the evidence is so overwhelming that the initial infection frequently, if not generally, comes from the teeth, helpless humanity deserves pity until the powers that be shall make a worthy effort to find the means that will prevent this needless catastrophe in so many lives.
No41 Variations in the Defensive Factors of the Blood
Is there a difference in the defensive factors of the blood of susceptible and non-susceptible individuals to systemic involvements from dental infections?
There is a marked difference, which is readily measurable in the bactericidal properties of the bloods of individuals of high defence, as compared with those of low defence to systemic involvements from dental infections.
No42 Methods for Reinforcing a Deficient Defence
Can a temporarily or permanently low defence against the streptococci of dental infections be increased or enhance either temporarily or permanently?
In some individuals a low defence may be materially strengthened by the use of vaccines and also by the use of all available means for stimulating metabolism and increasing a supply of essential nutritional factors.
No 43 Serophytic Micro organisms
What are the growth factors of micro organisms of the mouth in juices of living tissues?
When the mixed flora of the oral cavity are planted in the normal blood serum or lymph, the varieties that grow are almost entirely limited to the strains of diplo-and strepto-cocci, with occasional staphylococci, with the diplo- and strepto-cocci largely predominating.
No44 Calcium and Acid-Alkali Balance
What is the role of calcium to the maintenance of the acid-alkali balance of the blood, other body fluids, and tissues?
In the proper functioning of the body the end products of metabolism are carbon dioxide, urea, and water. When metabolic functions are abnormal, resulting in the imperfect oxidation with the development of less simple acids than carbon dioxide these must be neutralised with bases taken from the body and its fluids. In the absence of an adequate supply of these from other sources, the demand must be met by the calcium of the body, first from the circulating ionic calcium, then from the calcified tissues. This latter is the characteristic end reaction involved in periodontoclasia, or pyorrhoea alveolar. This enters into and complicates the aetiology of many, if not most, of the rheumatic group disturbances studied in detail in subsequent chapters.
No45 Symptoms and Danger
Since individuals are similar in their reactions to dental infections, both locally and systemically, and since freedom from involvements is dependable, the danger is proportional to the quantity and to the type or virulence of the dental infection involved and the patient's symptoms.
Since patients largely determine the biological qualities of the organisms involved in dental infections by the culture medium they furnish the bacteria, and since the sufficiently high defence of certain individuals will, under ordinary conditions, protect them from systemic injury resulting from their dental infections, and since the local oral expressions of the dental infection are an indication and a measure of that individual's reaction to the dental infection rather than a measure of that infection, therefore, it becomes apparent that the operation that is indicated is an individual factor and concerns the relation of the efficiency of the patient's defence to the attacking power of the dental infections and, accordingly, operations which are strongly indicated for some individuals are as strongly contraindicated for others.
No46 Diagnosis
An adequate procedure for making dental diagnosis is a roentgenorgraphic study of the patient, for which the only requisite training is a working knowledge of the apparatus and a familiarity with dental anatomy sufficient properly to call the teeth by their names.
An adequate procedure for making a dental diagnosis will involve, as a minimum, the following:
A knowledge of the patient's systemic defence and systemic involvements, both present and past. The securing of this will involve:
a) A knowledge of the various systemic disturbances that may be produced or aggravated by the dental infection, with or without the patient's recognition of their existence. A knowledge of the systemic disturbances includes, for differentiating purposes, a knowledge of the aetiological pathology of the involved tissues of most of the morbid conditions of the human body, regardless of the type of tissue or the involved nature of the functions. These are based upon a thorough knowledge of the gross and minute anatomy of the various organs and tissues of the body, and the normal functions of those tissues, with special reference to the nervous system.
b) A roentgenographic study, with a knowledge that is physically impossible for the Roentgen-rays to disclose much of the essential information, the roentgenogram being simply a record of relieve total densities of the planes involved.
c) A familiarity with the use of the microscope and such laboratory technique as serological study of the fluids of the body, since many of the lesions, being produced or aggravated by dental infections, are in evidence by microscopic and chemical methods long before they appear clinically as symptoms.
No47 Diagnosticians
Dental diagnosis is so simple that any dentist or physician, osteopath, chiropractor, electrical engineer or laboratory assistant, is competent to perform this simple service.
Dental diagnosis is so intricate and involved that it requires a greater knowledge of the human body, its structure and diseases, and of the various means for understanding the normality and abnormality of the same, than any specialty of the healing arts; and probably no specialty finds such great opportunity for doing injury to humanity, or for extending human life, as does the highest application of intelligence in this field. A competent diagnostician of the local and systemic expressions of dental infections must be familiar with the clinical and structural pathology required for a general medical diagnosis, and, in addition, be completely familiar with each dental anatomy, dental pathology, and dental operative procedure.
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"Why do some dentists/oral surgeons NOT believe in CAVITAT? The doctor im thinking about seeing does not agree with it. He is one of the top doctors who had done MANY cavitation surgeries."
Do you know Gigi?"
Jordan, I think it is because only a dentist who is not as skilled in reading an x-ray needs the CAVITAT for diagnosis. A good oral surgeon, a good MD as mine, can read a pano x-ray and diagnose a "diseased jaw bone". When the two agree, a Cavitat is really not necessary - just added expense. For the dentists who can't interpret an x-ray, maybe the CAVITAT is necessary. But the CAVITAT does not do the surgery! It's the oral surgeon with a skilled assistant on his/her side.
The problem is - when the surgery is in process, the oral surgeon still has to know how far to go, where to stop, and what he has to do to get all the diseased bone out. If he/she doesn't, then it's more surgery and more surgery. If he leaves some behind, it could spread to other areas. Just like any infection.
Also my surgeon used abx before and at least ten days after. He also used some other methods to help the growth of new bone, to help it along. Some have various devices in their office where the patient can spend a day afterwards to further healing. If close enough, the patient can go there severl days afterwrd.
Neither my husband I had any severe swelling beyond the normal for a day or two, and neither of us needed any pain pills. My symptoms that had been brought on by the infections gradually decreased, slowly; the toxins spread by root canals are literally everywhere in the body and that takes time. It took me about four months before I started to feel that I was now finally getting a handle on Lyme, etc. My husband finally got out of the wheelchair after seven months following the surgery. The thios enter the brain readily - we both had it there. So don't expect overnight miracles. You hopefully stop the infection, but you will need to work a while on getting rid of the damage from the neurotoxins that were spread by the infection.
We have a CAVITAT here in the city. Dr. K. never sends anyone there as far as I know. The most important part is the surgery and that takes experience. It's the human hand with the touch. I observed my husband's surgery - I would not want to do that kind of work for a million dollars. It requires real skills to navigate around these nerves -- wiggly nerves. Go only to the best. It's not the CAVITAT doing the surgery. It's the oral surgeon.
The man who invented the CAVITAT is one of the best, per Dr. K. I have met him. He is a scientist, and his main work is the research of thousands of root canals, the various huge problems brought about by them, mercury problems, government involvement, etc. about root canals - you want to just get rid of them, if they are already causing problems. He was a guest speaker of Dr. K. recently and I really was glad that he enlightened many a dentist in the audience as well as other doctors.
I hope you get a written report about your pano. I remember every single tooth was detailed in mine and I knew what my choices were right then and there.
I do feel for you - having to make these decisions is tough.
Mine was easy - I wanted to live again
Take care.
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Wallace, I have the same brand of porcellan teeth in my denture as you mentioned. That refers only to the teeth. My husband has a ceramic type tooth that is nice too. I do not know the brand. The teeth are not the problem.
The denture-making is. I had 12 appointments to have dentures made, spanning over three weeks. It is done layer by layer. The 5 different sets I had made in this country went bang, bang, bang, done and doesn't fit and isn't fit for eating. I would only go to a place where the lab works hand in hand with the denture maker. He has to be on the premises, or you have to be able to go to his premises. Sending an impression out to some lab that has no clue of what you look like and then expecting that denture to fit and cosmetically look right is a waste of time and money.
The dental technicican is either right there with the dentist/ or is on the same premises.
However, the most important for your future health and for the detox mechanism of your brain to work besides using compatible material follows here.
I quote from some article of a good friend (whose permission I have not sought):
"Dental occlusion plays an extremely important role in the kinetic chain that determines the postural system.
Chronic dysfunction of the system will affect the central nervous system and health in general. The stability and proper function of the occlusal structure is determined by the balance between the tensional and compressive forces on the hard and soft tissue of the maxilla, mandible, head, neck and shoulders. The balance between the counteracting forces of tension and compression is called tensegrity. \
In living organisms the continuous tension between its parts creates awareness of posture. This is referred to as proprioception, and tensegrity drives proprioception. It is the result of tensegrity that a change of tension in one part of the structure produces a chain reaction of changes throughout the structure.
The principles of tensegrity apply at the molecular level with the interaction of amino acids, fatty acids, proteins and cells as well as at the skeletal level involving muscles, tendons, ligaments, and bones.
By recognizing and understanding the genetic and environmental background of different facial types and cranial divergencies of individuals, appropriate functional orthopedic devices can be utilized in a growing child to ensure optimal functional occlusion is achieved. Proper occlusion in turn will positively affect the biomechanical function of joints, which in turn will create normal reflexes, correct posture, gait and equilibrium.
Over the past several decades due to human intervention in environment, food quality and dental treatments (both preventative and invasive) dental structure has been affected and this has affected the Righting reflex. The Righting reflex is primordial.
It enables an animal to maintain its body in a definite relationship to its head by keeping the eyes focused on the horizon. This in turn preserves equilibrium and balance. It is for this reason that the Righting reflex is a primary mechanism for survival.
A distorted maxilla with a roll, pitch or yaw will influence the entire cranial mechanism, which will also affect the visual field. The central nervous system via cranial nerve X1 (accessory) sends signals to contact the trapezius or sternocleidomastoid muscle to correct the head position in order to keep the eyes focued on the horizon. Extended periods of incorrect posture will create musculoskeletal pathologies such as nerve entrapment, trigger points in the musculature and uneven wear of the dentition.
This distortion of the head whether it is roll, pitch, yaw or a combination, will alter the level of the shoulders, which in turn will change the level of the hips and finally will affect leg length and stride. The neck and thoracic cage position will also be indirectly influenced which introduces a host of neurolotical and structural symptoms.
Primary proprioceptive areas in the body are C1, atlas/occiput. TMJ capsule, head of first rib, sacroiliac joint and subtalor joint. The proprioceptive system is designed to keep the head, shoulders and pelvis level.
Whenever there is a distortion, the nervous system sends signals to the musculature to contract in order to correct the alignment of the skeletal system. This in turn can cause such problems as scoliosis, lordosis, rotated pelvis, mandibular shifts, Achilles tendonitis and sciatic lesions to name a few."
Bad teeth - bad dentures are a pain in the neck - are a pain in the butt.
Keep your teeth if they can be made healthy - IF - is the big word. And your health falls and rises with that.
Take care.
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Wallace, porcellan look like natural teeth. I have never had one broken. I did get extras from the dentist (six front, both mand and max) to have on hand because I am so far away. Nobody not even myself would ever suspect I do not have my own teeth.
Hope you don't have to go that route. But if that is what you end up doing, do it with only the best that you can possibly afford. It does not pay having to do it over and over - someday I am going to make a showcase of my different dentures I had to live through and exhibit them at the next Klinghardt Doctor Dentist seminar.
Take care.
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I have a permanent porcelain bridge and have had no problems with it. I have had it since 1995 and even hit my front teeth many times. It hooks on to both eye teeth (six front teeth total).
Once one of my mom's young bulls slammed his big head right in the front of my mouth and I thought for sure my bridge had to have broken but did not. If you have been around horses or cattle you know how hard they can throw their big heads around.
Anyway, they look very nice and I get many compliments on my teeth. Everyone thinks they are real. Now hoping the eye teeth are not dead when I go see Dr. H as I do not want partials but will do what I have to do...
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My second dentist is planning to remove 3 teeth and one new bridge.
With regards to complete removal he says while he wont disagree he cant see the logic in it. Possibly he may want to talk to me about it on the phone.
I want to be sure I remove any possible focal infection. I hear too many stories of cavitation surgery having to be redone. This way I am sure! Time will tell if I was right!
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Someone asked if jawbone infections can be painless. YES. They nearly killed me.
My Lyme disease followed a 6/95 tick bite.
My jawbone osteomyelitis followed wisdom tooth extractions 7/94 & 7/95.
From 7/94 I lost strength in a subclinical, non specific, subjective sort of way. Following the lead of my HMO I tried to ignore my decline but in 6/97 was hospitalized with quadripalegia.
Still, no jaw pain.
The DDS who pulled my teeth in '94-95 did not believe in cleaning out alveoli post extractions. As chief oral surgeon for my HMO, he did not believe in chronic jawbone infections.
In 3/98 when shown solid evidence of infection in my wisdom tooth extraction sites he held his ground. I complained to the dental board - but found that DDS had read from their play book.
I went out of state 4/98 to have my osteomyelitis surgerized. It seemed odd to be forced out of state to deal with an infection. Especially when my life was on the line.
In 5/98 an MD (who will remain unnamed) said the 4/98 oral surgery saved my life.
In 2/99 I asked my HMO to treat my Lyme disease. More high-handed denials. In 5/99 I crawled out of state for help.
By now I've almost lost track of the times I left state to get help for oral & tick borne diseases.
Due to long term treatments I recovered enough strength to process claims through my HMO.
It took 6 years but the HMO paid what covered most of my Lyme disease expenses and '98-99 oral surgery office fees.
The temporary discomfort and inconvenience of jaw surgeries were minimal in light of their help.
I may not be able to prove that osteomyelitis made me vulnerable to chronic tick borne disease but the link seems reasonable.
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Gigi if you see this and if its not too personal I wondered if your husband had also had significant tooth loss?
Is Lyme connected to tooth decay on the lower jaw?
Its not decided but its possible I may loose all my teeth on the lower jaw and also have cavitational surgery there as well, keeping most of my teeth on my upper jaw.
I note that Suzin Stockton also lost all here teeth after her 3 cavitational op's.
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Neil, I also never felt any pain in my mouth. I guess most everything was dead.
Wallace,
My husband never had such rapid decay until I infected him with Lyme. From that time on it went rapidly downhill. We did a lot of crown work, redoing what was necessary and when it still seemed to be worthwhile doing the repair. Another year later into Lyme Disease, the teeth deteriorated even more rapidly. He lost more teeth and by then the jawbone was affected.
In order to safe the jawbone to be able to have enough left for dentures, we decided to finally remove all remaining teeth. By that time he was in a wheelchair unable to walk.
Seven month after complete removal of all infected jawbone/cavitations and teeth, he got out of the wheelchair and was able to drive again.
It is wonderful not to have to worry about dental problems any more. It was not an easy decision; but one we should have made a lot earlier. For me, good health starts in the mouth, not the gut as many say. Don't forget to find the best denture maker and that detoxing the thioethers and the mercaptans and the heavy metals is a must. That's also not easy and you need a good doctor, specifically one that also does Neural Therapy. It helps a lot to mobilize the toxins.
I am convinced today that trying to safe teeth under any and all conditions just for the sake of "save this tooth" is not a very good thing to do.
Have you talked to the ART practitioner in the UK?
I understand Institute of Neurobiology/ now also have an office in Scotland with an ART practitioner.
Take care.
P.S. Don't know a S Stockton.
Tooth decay is accelerated with microbial infections. The jaw and nearby areas are saturated with mercury and other dental metals and it makes a perfect terrain for anaerobes. They can live there undisturbed; little oxygenated blood flow and they dig in. Bartonella especially. Read about the dig in Finland - the remains of Napoleon's army - still finding the Bartonella in teeth.
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