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Pinster56
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I am from Massachusetts and I pulled an attached deer tick off me a couple of days ago. Unlike other tick bites I have had before, this one is giving me a large rash that is radiating out from the bite site. It itches terribly! I read somewhere the tick has to be stuck on you for at least 48 hours before it can transmit Lyme Disease. It was only stuck on me a few hours. Also the rash does NOT have a bullseye shape. It's been a couple of days since I removed it and I feel fine. Should I be concerned? I am thinking it's just an allergic reaction, since I am allergic to bee stings. I have a pet peeve aboy hypochondriacs bothering doctors so I really don't to take up the doc's time unless it' really necessary.


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Did you keep the tick? If you did, get it tested ASAP. Also with tick bite and a rash (bullseye on not) any doctor worth anything would give you a 30 day supply of doxy. I would take it just to be safe, but that is just my opinion.
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No I didn't keep it. I have pulled ticks off before so I didn't think much about it. It was only hours later when the rash statted that I became somewhat concerned. What is doxy? I am allergic to penicillin!
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The rash doesn't always look like a bullseye.

I totally understand your apprehension, but GET REAL. There it absolutely nothing to be apprehensive about when it comes to Lyme.

We are talking about a devastating illness that can be nipped in the bud relatively cheaply if you treat it early.

I wish I had had that knowledge and option back in 200.

Don't wait...see the doctor and insist on antibiotics...better safe than sick.

---Nancy


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photograph the rash every day with a ruler in the photo-tests take 4-6 weeks to turn positive-by then you've got entrenched Lyme-not all Lyme rashes are the classic bulls eye- you have a window of opportunity not to become one of us-those whose lives have been destroyed by Lyme-always save tick and send to igenex for testing for all tbd (tick borne disease)-not true, 48 hrs to transmit lyme, may only be a few hours-insist on at least 6 wks of doxycycline-get another dr if necessary
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Well, the rash seems to be fading away...I guess I overreacted. Thanks for all your help anyway!
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quote:
Originally posted by Pinster56:
Well, the rash seems to be fading away...I guess I overreacted. Thanks for all your help anyway!

Better SAFE than VERY sorry! Get help NOW, just in case. You need to review the rashes provided in this link.

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and YES, take pictures....faded or not

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quote:
Originally posted by Pinster56:
I read somewhere the tick has to be stuck on you for at least 48 hours before it can transmit Lyme Disease.

Forgot to add....this information is incorrect and dangerous. I know LOTS of people who had ticks attached for only a few hours and they still became very ill.


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Hey Pinster, we'd really enjoy your company around here, so it's best to ignore it, and not treat it at all. Then in about 2-3 months when all those horrible symptoms [severe pain everywhere, extreme fatigue, memory loss, facial paralysis, etc.] raise up, you can go to your Doc, who'll tell you that it's not lyme.

Then you can go to dozens of "experts" who'll diagnose you with MS, Lupus, CFS, etc., while your symptoms intensify. You'll keep insisting that "I was bitten by a tick", but this will be promptly ignored, or you may even get one or two to tell you that it's a "woman" thing, or you're "depressed".

Finally, someone will steer you towards a doc that knows something about lyme, and then you can undergo several months to even possibly years of intensive abx therapy, maybe even through a PORT line in your chest, if you're real lucky !

It'll be great fun ! You can come back to the lymeboard and tell us about your experiences with Bell's palsy, or the pain you experience that isn't relieved by meds, or how you don't have the energy, or stamina to walk upright. We can hardly wait !

You didn't really want to be bothered by daily mundane chores anyhow, and with lyme it's perfect ! You won't be able to do any of them !
See ya' in a couple of months !
We'll leave the light on for ya' !


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NP40,
Man that sounds so horrible but it's so true.

Pinster, if you're still reading, heed NP40's advice. Educate yourself, read some of the links for newbies and then get yourself to a lyme literate MD.
Sue

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Pinster,
If that rash radiated outwards and itched it sounds an awful lot like mine.......mine itched like crazy only it stayed for 2 weeks and kept me up at night.

The dr. passed it off as poison....it was reddish purplish and looked nothing like a bullseye.......

Check here for rash pictures......this is where I found mine only 5 months too late!! http://www.lyme.org/gallery/rashes.html

Gail


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Pinster--

Alas, NP40's post is going on the easy side. There is no way you can imagine how completely off the wall Lyme recovery can be, or for that matter, how painful it is. It's like a combination of Alzheimer's, encephalitis, and multiple sclerosis, and doctors start around $350 an hour.

If you get offered doxycyline, see if you can get 60 days, with 200mg taken twice a day. Also, since it's only $15-20 bucks, it wouldn't hurt to buy a bottle of artemisinin (or, according to some other Lymenet people, artemisia), an herb you can get at the local health food store, and start on 200-500mg per day. That way, if you have another irksome infection called babesia, which has become increasingly prevalent and just as dangerous as Lyme, you'll have caught it early, too.


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Yikes! I never realized this disease is so bad! I never knew anybody who had it and I previously thought you just get a fever and joint pain. And thanks, PinchotGail for the link to the rash photos...a couple of them look EXACTLY like my rash, although it's fading away now. I feel fine, but I am going to show the rash to a doctor this afternoon to see what she thinks.
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Most docs will take the "wait and see" approach. This approachcan run your life. Don't do it this way!!!!! At best you'll get a few weeks of antibiotics at to low a dose.

GET TO A LYME LITERATE DOCTOR RECOMMENDED FROM SOMEONE AT THIS BOARD!!!

robi


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I'm sure the doc's know what they are doing if they practice in a Lyme prone area like mine--Eastern Massachusetts!
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Ummmm......Idon't want to sound crazy but kust look and see ow many folks from Mass. post here.

Really we are just trying to help. Many of us had docs we trusted. They just are not well informed even in MA.

Why not find a LLMD... you really are playing with fire here.

robi



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After reading about all these symptoms that mimic other illnesses, I can see how docs could get confused as to a proper diagnosis...But in my case I am just going to show her the rash, tell her I got bitten there by a tick and it looks like a Lyme Disease rash, so I need an antbiotic. There is no symptoms that she needs to analyze. Sounds pretty simple!
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If you flip back thru the pages on general and medical forums here, you will find several articles, including one from Boston, that talks about the controversy over Lyme. Says that people are having to leave the state to get treatment--800 MA families taking their kids to a CT doc. There is a major problem in your state (and a lot of others).

You are so trusting. Hope it works out for you, but keep on your toes about this and if it begins to look problematic......


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Pinster: I will take insult if you don't listen to these posters and members. Look, the doctors in the business of taking care of people and if you weren't really concerned than you would never have gone on line to ask the question.

I have found more support here and gained so much knowledge just from this board. Get yourself to a doctor that will prescribe the precautionary 4-6 week course of abx.

You will NEVER forget this if you don't.


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I lived in VA for 3 years and thats where I started getting sick. No, not all dr's recognize Lyme correctly-they certainly did not in my case at all!!! There are very specific tests that need to be run to determine it. Ive been sick for over 5 years now and I just got a full test for Lyme a month ago and boy was it positive!!! If you and your dr decide not to do any treatment right now, at least keep a daily/weekly log of how you feel. Keep in mind too that you may not show any signs of Lyme for several days or so.

Nancy


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Well I went to the doc and she ruled out some things that it ISN'T (allergic reaction, cellulitis) and the rash is starting up again around the bite site, so she said why take a chance, so she gave me an antibiotic. Basically she said better safe than sorry. Curiously, she didn't take a blood test so I will never know for sure. Thanks for everybody's input. I never realized it was so serious...I just don't always understand whether the information age makes us overly concerned about things. I am 48 years old and when were kids we ran around in the woods without repellent and nobody ever worried about (or got) Lyme Disease!
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Good! doctor gave you antibotic-which one, dosage and duration????? It's important.


Doxycycline?? 200 mg twice a day??? 6wks or more??? If you're still out there say something and I'll tell you everything I did wrong when I took doxycycline. Save you some grief.

It takes 4-6 weeks for the body to produce an antibody response which can be measured by blood tests so a test now would probably be valueless.

Did you take the photographs????? Why not?

NP40- thanks for the bellylaugh! Sooooooooooo true, and sad.

Janet


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Yes, let Janet give you some info on doxy taking. Like following it two hours later with probiotics to avoid diarrhea, don't lay down for an hour after taking it, etc.

This is a good start. Hope you will be on it long enough and at adequate dose. If only 200 mg a day, too low probably. Might be a problem if the tick gave you other gerrms too, like bartonella or babesia because these take other meds.

Will keep my fingers crossed for you.

Don't think the information age can be faulted for lyme paranoia. This is a case of ignorance is not bliss. And you don't want to learn the hard way.

Be sure to read about herxheimer reactions in the newby links, or you and the doctor may think you are having a bad reaction to the drug and go off it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pinster56:
I am 48 years old and when were kids we ran around in the woods without repellent and nobody ever worried about (or got) Lyme Disease!

We ran around in the woods too and got ticks every weekend for 10-15 yrs. That was before Lyme was "discovered."

Well, guess what? I'm now on disability with a whole laundry list of problems, from heart to bladder, to muscles, to joints, etc, etc. In short, I'm a mess, thanks to Lyme.

My Lyme disease was not discovered until 40+ years later. Plenty of time to do lots of damage.

Please tell us your dosage of abx, what kind, etc, so we can all quit worrying about you! It's very likely your MD short-changed you like everyone else on this board.

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My antibiotic is called Doxycycline 100 mg taken twice a day for ten days.
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Oh my!

Recommended dosage:
300-400mg a day for no less than 6wks.

If you have even just a few spirochetes survive, they will replicate in 4-6 wks.


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Hmm., Pinster,
If indeed you are infected, your dose and duration has a good chance of allowing the bacteria to become somewhat resistant only to come back in several weeks/months more virulent than ever.

I know this all sounds like paranoia to you.
Trust me, these people know more about lyme disease than your doctor. I too spent my childhood in the woods without ever having a problem.

I "encountered" some ticks from our Christmas tree in Dec. 2003 and have never been the same since. I'm in treatment for over a year now.

Channel 5 in Boston recently did a story about how families are travelling to CT to see Drs because they are frustrated with the ones in MA. Problem is that there are only a few here (in CT) that truly understand the disease. Anyway, here is the link to the story. Check out the video:
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/health/4384217/detail.html

You can potentially save yourself from years of poor health and angst by finding a capable Dr. now. Post in the "Seeking a Doctor" section for help.

Forget everything you think you know about lyme disease. Don't learn about it the hard way like all of us here.

Sorry for the harshness...just trying to help.

- Mike


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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago!
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.
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Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.
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Well, Pinster.....if you don't get some real helpp soon you are gonna be a long term lymnet member...........

Why are you so resistant to all the good info here?

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quote:
Originally posted by Pinster56:
Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing!

NOT!....as evidenced by the amount she prescribed. I hope you will check out the link provided above.

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We tried. And failed to convince her, so time to give it a rest. I assume those multiple posts were intentional.

Hope it works for you Pinster. It really hurts us to say I told you so. We hate to do it.

It probably does look like overkill to you. People who were undertreated end up here frequently, and tend to be a bit dogmatic. Arf, arf. That includes me.

Maybe you weren't even infected. Hope so.


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I don't think the multiple posts were intentional. I got a multiple post also without trying. Lyment.org was behaving oddly at the time.
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quote:
Originally posted by Pinster56:
Well I'm sure the doctor knows what she is doing! They devote most of their adult lives to learning about diseases and they do keep abreast of the latest medical findings if it applies to their patients...She told me they see lots of Lyme cases. If they prescribed a dosage that was ineffective on a regular basis I'm sure patients continue to be ill. At some point the docs would come to the conclusion that they needed to "up" the dosage. Maybe if I had major symptoms weeks or months after the bite she would have jacked up the dosage. I was bitten only three days ago.

OK Pinster56,

Here's my story..
I was going to write this yesterday but got side tracked.

I was bitten this time last year.
I went to the docs feeling well.
I didn't know anything about lyme.
They gave me Doxy at 100mg twice a day for 10 days.
I got very ill very quickly.
They gave me more doxy for 21 days - same dose.

I thought the doxy was making me ill because a few days after I had been taking the doxy thing got allot worse. Dizziness, confusion, headaches, tremors. Doxy is usually well tolerated, ok it might make you feel a bit sick to start with if you take it on an empty stomach, but that is about it. I now know that it was not the doxy making me worse.

I had a CT brain scan which was -ve (they were looking for abnormal blood flow). I now know that a CT scan is not worth it. A spect scan would have been more appropriate.

Now, I have trouble working - 1 year later.
Now I am on high dose, long term antibiotics.
If I can't work any more I can't keep the payments on my house or pay for the meds.

Now I WISH I had had a longer term of antibiotics when it all started.

Yes my brain is affected.
I can't speak properly sometimes.
People think I am drunk.

The ONLY way doxy kills the bacteria is when it replicates. It does this by weakening the cell walls and as it reproduces, it breaks up. I wish I knew this when I was bitten.

The lyme bacteria replicates every month, so 10 days will NOT be enough. I wish I knew this when I was bitten.

The lyme bacteria winds it's way into your brain very quickly. I wish I knew this when I was bitten.

Doxy does not cross the blood-brain barrier at 200mg per day. It will at 300-600. I wish I knew this when I was bitten.

This is why the recommended dose is upwards of 6 weeks at 300 to 600 mg. I wish I knew this when I was bitten.

If I could wind back time (knowing what I do now) I would take the doxy as prescribed, but in the mean time I would have just 10 days left to find a lyme doctor (from ilads) AND get seen AND get a proper dose of doxy.

I wish I could wind back time.
I wish my doc knew more about it.
I hope I can keep this job down or things really will go bad.
I wish I had insurance.
I am glad my wife is supportive, she could have left me.
I don't "look" sick.

There is a small window of time where you are able to eradicate the bacteria. Pass that and you will more than likely have it for years because it burrows deep into your skin, bones brain - everywhere.

The antibiotics have a hard time getting to all these places, so don't let it get there in the first place.

One more thing.. I asked a group just like you have when things started to go wrong and I really thought they were over reacting. By then it was too late anyway.

I am not giving you advise here, it is just my story. Perhaps you will be luckier.

Lets hope you are not back here in a few months, but you are always welcome.

Don't let things get out of hand.

Take care.


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Sorry about the multiple posts---it wasn't responding and I just kept clicking.
I know you all mean well, but it's still hard for me to believe a doctor would not know the correct dosage for something as simple as an antibiotic for a bactereal disease if there is all this information out there about Lyme Diesase! Maybe if she was some hick doctor up in the backwoods, but I think the docs in the Northeast are well informed...If one doc in Connecticut knows all the right stuff, why doesn't he present a paper about it at a medical convention? I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but perhaps he markets himself well to keep a long list of patients, if you catch my drift.


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You are losing valuable time. You are very niave if you think the med/insurance game is as easy as presenting a paper and everyone following along.

I hope you're tick was not carring any disease, but that is unlikely in your part of the country.

Have you read the newspapaer articles linked here?

Just read these stories.

Perhaps "famous" folks are more credible then the unknown posters of Lymenet. Maybe these articles will give some credibility to what we have told you.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/entertainment/e01wells.htm Rebecca Wells
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A19083-2003Aug4¬Found=true Amy Tan


Everyone here is interested in you not getting sick. We all wish we had the opportunity you are passing up right now.

Once this progresses it is too late. Treat now and you are saving yourself from a lifetime of treatment. After these first days from bite, the treatment is long, painful, confusing, and many(most) docs are unfamiliar with all the implications.

You will be really, really sorry. We are not hypchondriacs. Many here were healthy, outdoors people. ALl had productive jobs and lives. SOme have lost much of this.

Please seek an LLMD from this board.
We are not Drs. But we do know what happened to us and how we were misdiagnosed by Many doctors. Please get the appropriate help.

The defense rests its case,

robi


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You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink.

I have had to learn this lesson a number of times when it comes to Lyme. If people don't want your help, you can't help them.

Some learn from others. Some can only learn from their own experience. And they have a right to make their own mistakes. Hard to watch this happen, though. This is my last post on this thread. Moving on to the next newby to arrive. They just keep coming.


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quote:
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I know you all mean well, but it's still hard for me to believe a doctor would not know the correct dosage for something as simple as an antibiotic for a bactereal disease.

It is isn't it? Well you see there are two sides to this, side A will let you believe that the disease is hard to catch and easily treated with 10 to 30 days of doxy. Of course you might feel better after this as maybe 90 percent of the bacteria has been killed. If just 1 is left, you will relapse. It may take months or even years, but you will. By then it will be chronic and you will be here again. Remember that doxy only kills the bacteria when it reproduces.

Side B are more cautious and say that you should be given 300mg for a period of 6 weeks.

If you believe side A you could become chronically ill later.

If you take the advise of side B, you will cover side A's recommendations as well.

Most of us here have been here a long time because most doctors are fed miss information by side A.

Here are the guidelines from the doctors who have studied the disease. They are experts. They are not your local GP.

http://www.ilads.org/

If there are any web sites to look at, this is the one. Please click on the link, it might just save you allot of suffering. Look at basic information on the left.

If you need to find an ilads doctor, come back and ask, but it won't take long before the bacteria burrow their way into places where the antibiotics can't reach and you have already lost 3 days.

The choice is yours and a second opinion from another (ilads) doc isn't going to hurt right? Even if you just ask him what the deal is that your GP is giving you 100mg twice a day for 10 days. Many will tell you that on the phone for free.

Time is ticking.. and so what if you do take the doxy for a little bit longer?


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There is a reason why they call it practicing medicine.

You may be one of the lucky ones who gets better on the drugs you've been given in the dosage you've been advised to take.

But I doubt it.

I don't know a single person in your position who was ever able to just 'blow off' Lyme disease.

It comes back to haunt you. Months, years later.

I know a lot of people who say they had Lyme disease "once" but they took doxy for 10 or 30 days and they got over it.

They say that while they willingly accept a new diagnosis of MS, lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis, etc.

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I'm with lou on this.
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Pinster
Looks like you are going to be stupid.

So Pinster-- do everything you ever wanted
to do in your life--in the next six months
while you still can.

Get a good comfortable bed-- you are going
to be there alot.

Take some pictures of how you used to be.

Run around the block and jump up and down
as many times as you can--just to see
how it feels for the last time.

Spin around till you get dizzy-
it will be good practice for whats
to come.

-- You are going to have to learn alot
of medical terms--so you might as well
start now while you can still remember.

--Eat all the food you Really like-
dont worry about your weight-this
wont last long.

You are going to spend the rest of your
life as a drug addict -
just not the fun kind
-so get on good terms with
your doc and pharmacy. Closer the better

Learn how to use spell check and get a
lot of sticky notes-make some real easy
type of file system so thing dont
get lost ( I pin everything to the wall)

Do some simple math on paper-and save it-
to prove you used to be able to do it.
Hay-there you go- this could be the first
thing you pin to the wall.

Clean your home for the last time-Do a
good job its going to have to last a while.

Bookmark Lymenet.org -you will be comming
here alot. Oh yea- did I say to learn how
to use spell check.

Also get a good comfortable chair -
for when you not in bed.

Take up some hobby that you can do from
the comfortable chair. Paint by numbers
is perty good except for all numbers and
lines. Get a big paint brush-it wont matter.

Go to work and be productive-- build
up as much sick leave as you can- it
will come in handy.

Get hooked up with Meals on Wheels--
They deliver .Time is a waisten.

Talk to your neigbors - so they know who
that was standing out in front of your
house yesterday and wont call the cops.
-This will save you from getting out
of bed and having to find some ID.
Did you pin it to the wall?

Go to a bar--have some fun- Get Lucky
if you can. Have Safe Sex--You dont
want to give them anything.

Write down the names of the friends
you used to have-Pin to wall--Look your
doin good --you already have 3 things
pinned to the wall.

Get to know your kids--they wont be around
much from now on.You know how kids are.

Take a vacation- your not going to be going
very far from home - perty soon.

--Make a list of the 5 stupidest things
you ever did--Leave room at the top of
the page for not taking enough ABX for long
enough when the Lyme disease was easier
to Kill.

There wont be that many more
stupid things you have done because
you wont be able to do many more things.
-- Pin list to wall.--Jay--




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