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Treepatrol: WHY are the "creeks red" where you come from? Jim
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Only 3 weeks on Ketek. Only 5 doses of Flagyl. My throat closed up on the 6th dose. However, if antibiotics were the cure, I would never have become symptomatic. You are talking to an antibiotic babe. I have suffered respiratory illness most of my life (my mother and grandmother pulled 21 ticks from my head when I was six - so who knows when I first contracted Lyme) I can't think of a single year I have gone without some form of antibiotic treatment.
Spring 2004, I was diagnosed with an HP ulcer and given PrevPac. I felt so much better in general after that. I recently looked up the medications in that and found Biaxin among other stuff. I'm sure now, the Biaxin, which I had never taken before, probably drove the lyme bacteria back into hiding (couldn't have killed many, since I had no herx reaction)but did make me feel better. Fall of 2004, I had a case of shingles (yes, I was living a very high stress working life) At that time, I was given Cipro. I can't count all the doxy, tetra, keflex I have received. They stopped giving me amoxicillin years ago. I finally developed an allergy to Keflex and all sulfa drugs.
10 years ago, I suffered from Lyme for 6 mths before becoming asymptomatic. Antibiotics of all kinds were administered during the 6 mths, however, since then, I have developed many ills I now believe were caused by Lyme, such as extreme stiff neck problems, migraines, medically assessed hearing loss, severe short term memory loss, hot flashes and finally cognitive difficulty.
Upon beginning homeopathy in September, the memory loss, cognitive problems, migraines, hot flashes completely disappeared. Although, I have not yet had my hearing tested, I believe it has cleared up too. I am now hearing noises before my husband. My joint pain has increased and is the only symptom I am dealing with today. I put it this way. When I started homeopathy, I got 1000% worse, now I am only 50% worse or 950% better. I believe I am well on my way to a full recovery.
Please don't preach antibiotics to me. If I live to be 100, I will probably never purge all the antibiotics from my body.
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My philosophy on homeopathics -- if it works, use it. My doctor (Dr. K.) uses it extensively when in the right place.
I have seen and had myself healing crises with homeopathic substances. But remember, homeopathics work only in the mental field.
We were treated with everything - abx, herbals, other plant derived remedies and a few homeopathic remedies tossed in between. Homeopathics for Lyme and co-infections did not work one iota for me. But homeopathics did alleviate some mineral deficiencies with emotional origin, hormonal deficiencies, and allergy treatments for certain substances. It is an extremely helpful modality at times and so easy to do. I learned to make simple homeopathics myself - taught by my doctor.
With Lyme Disease - it is my firm belief that it is not an either or. There is no either or. You do many, many things; address all the basic problems that are not Lyme caused, but are nevertheless there and keep us from getting well. Not one of us would get as deadly ill as many of us did, if we did not have a few problems on the side or beneath. For most of us, the bite or Lyme infection via other means - was the later event. A lot went before that. If every doctor, as ours does,would finally start to recognize this and take it into consideration when treating a chronically ill patient with Lyme or any other disease, we would all be helped a lot quicker and with a lot less pharma drugs. A few of these, and every time you take a step forward, you take another one back. This turns into years and years. And some people just do not ever get well.
I am excited about Buhner's book - he understands this disease. He does not talk much, if any, about underlying problems. I ran through the book quickly. But I hope it will be of help to many.
Take care.
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Gigi: His book is at least helping some on this group. And probably many others too around the country.
At least my overall symptoms are much better in a few short weeks of his protocol after suffering for several years before starting it.
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GiGi,
How do you determine homeopathy only works on the mental energy field? My doctor says it is the DNA of Lyme. It stimulates the immune system to create the correct antibiodies to kill the bacteria. The bacteria cannot hide or become immune to it, because the homeopathy is not doing the fighting, the immune system is. The homeopathy just keeps showing the DNA to the immune system.
Homeopathy works on the "like cures like" basis which is a precursor to vaccines. Only homeopathy is not giving me Lyme disease in small doses. It is giving my immune system the DNA of the Lyme. The immune system works everywhere in my body. Not just the mental energy fields.
This is why I herx on it. My doctor is giving me combination remedies that include mycoplasma, borrelia, babesia, erhlicia as well as many others for non-lyme bacteria ie: helico-bactor pylori which caused my ulcer in 2004. Nowhere in his remedies do I see Ledum which is often touted in homeopathic literature for Lyme.
If homeopathy did not touch your lyme, perhaps it was the wrong remedies. I assure you, I don't have to wait long at all before I begin having symptoms on the homeopathy.
I jumped back on the homeopathy 2 days ago along with the Ketek. I'm already showing an increase in swelling and pain. I figure the homeopathy will stimulate the immune system to drive the bacteria out of hiding where both my antibiodies and the antibiotic can attack the bacteria. I'm into my 5th month of treatment and feel I am gaining ground on this hideous disease.
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quote:Originally posted by JimBoB: Treepatrol: WHY are the "creeks red" where you come from? Jim
The creeks are red because of mining when air hits the coal seem and if theres water the iron oxidizes wham red water also sulfer.
Sulfer leaves the stream bed white to a yellow sediment, if its iron in the water it leaves it red.Lots of times theres both pretty but no fish also high acid content.
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quote:Originally posted by luvs2ride: Treepatrol
Only 3 weeks on Ketek. Only 5 doses of Flagyl. My throat closed up on the 6th dose. However, if antibiotics were the cure, I would never have become symptomatic. You are talking to an antibiotic babe. I have suffered respiratory illness most of my life (my mother and grandmother pulled 21 ticks from my head when I was six - so who knows when I first contracted Lyme) I can't think of a single year I have gone without some form of antibiotic treatment.
Spring 2004, I was diagnosed with an HP ulcer and given PrevPac. I felt so much better in general after that. I recently looked up the medications in that and found Biaxin among other stuff. I'm sure now, the Biaxin, which I had never taken before, probably drove the lyme bacteria back into hiding (couldn't have killed many, since I had no herx reaction)but did make me feel better. Fall of 2004, I had a case of shingles (yes, I was living a very high stress working life) At that time, I was given Cipro. I can't count all the doxy, tetra, keflex I have received. They stopped giving me amoxicillin years ago. I finally developed an allergy to Keflex and all sulfa drugs.
10 years ago, I suffered from Lyme for 6 mths before becoming asymptomatic. Antibiotics of all kinds were administered during the 6 mths, however, since then, I have developed many ills I now believe were caused by Lyme, such as extreme stiff neck problems, migraines, medically assessed hearing loss, severe short term memory loss, hot flashes and finally cognitive difficulty.
Upon beginning homeopathy in September, the memory loss, cognitive problems, migraines, hot flashes completely disappeared. Although, I have not yet had my hearing tested, I believe it has cleared up too. I am now hearing noises before my husband. My joint pain has increased and is the only symptom I am dealing with today. I put it this way. When I started homeopathy, I got 1000% worse, now I am only 50% worse or 950% better. I believe I am well on my way to a full recovery.
Please don't preach antibiotics to me. If I live to be 100, I will probably never purge all the antibiotics from my body.
luvs2ride I wasnt arguing anything I was just curiousor preaching to you. You have to work it out yourself. But when joint pain arrives on the scene it means your immune system has recognised the new spirochete's new form that it took your protiens and is wearing /using them to camophlage itself but now your immune system caught up and is attacking that form which intern brings on inflamation in your joints. Anyway thats my take on it.Good luck let us ie me know how your doing a couple of years from now thanks and keep good records of just what you took and any changes over time . If you want to.Thanks
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Thanks Tree
I will keep everyone posted on my alternative approach. Right now I kind of like the idea I'm attacking it from both directions at once. Long as my body can tolerate the pain.
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Thanks for your explanation on the Bioset. It sounds like the same machine but this probe just identified what was going on in my blood. He then gave me homeopathics for the different symptoms.
Have you heard of Transfer Factors and are they like homeopathy? I believe transfer factors train the immune system to fight the pathogens. They talk about them extensively on Immunesupport.com and some have used them for viruses and lyme.
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I had not heard of Transfer Factors and went to the website you listed. They are not the same thing as homeopathy. My doctor was interviewed for the pain foundation newsletter and he gives a very good description of homeopathy and how it works, especially with chronic illness.
I hope this helps. BTW, I have been a chronic insomniac as long as I can remember, but since starting the homeopathy, I sleep like a baby!
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Whoops! I forgot to mention that in the pain foundation newsletter, his article is titled "Getting to the Root of the Problem".
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No placebos here. I was neither familiar with, nor sold on, nor blindly following homeopathy. When I began herxing, I literally thought the stuff might be killing me. I had to get educated on Lyme Disease to realize it wasn't killing me, it was curing me.
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Okay, luvs2ride, I was wondering because where I come from originally up in northern Wisconsin, there used to be a DuPont plant up there that made Boyd creek very red or red brown.
Come to find out they were polluting Lake SUperior all the time. WHen the government finally made them stop by giving them the alternative to either close down or clean up their act, they closed down. Laying off about 450 workers, which was huge, but did THEY care? Not likely. Big business; Ugh!
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Luvs, Gigi wasn't saying it was a placebo. You can heal from the spirit if you really are that advanced. I know someone who's done it. Most of us can't. You can heal from the mind if you can really direct your mind--but imo you'd have to practice like a buddhist monk for many years or a chi gong master to really be able to direct your biochemistry. You can heal with the body. You can heal from any point along the cascade if you know the correct intervention and have the ability to apply it correctly with the correct amount of force.
Which makes it sound easy which it is NOT.
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Right Oxy.
I really don't have a full understanding of what GiGi meant by mental/energy level even after viewing the chart she provided. And I know she is into alternative care as well as conventional.
GiGi is a great source of information for this board. I was surprised by her take on water though. She is also well and I'm not going to argue with that.
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Karatelady,
You're welcome. Did I mention this is my doctor?
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Yes, luvs2ride, that was a good article from the painfoundation.
I didn't know they even existed.
I think IF I was in the kind of pain that the gal is in on another thread and is bedridden from it; I would definitely look into the painfoundation for help.
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i am a person,who has recieved several tickbites over the course of 20 years,and i have taken abx only 2x,ix doxy for 1 month,1x doxy for 6 weeks,and no llmd.i also did herbal/homeopathic /silver treatments for awhile.personally,i think chronic long term lymes is hard to cure(duh)i like the book,and it inspired me to start raintree cats claw,at 3 caps 2x a day.esp. since my recent blod tests came back,i realised cats claw could help my immune.however,i suspect even doing the protocol fiully for a year will not get rid of the lymes but may make me feel much better,i think it is very hard to get tbd out,once infection has been there a long time,however,the herbal protocol sems worth trying for a few months.
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uma, Sounds like you self treated. I don't think feel that is a very successful plan of attack. When I lived in N.C., I was blessed to have a fabulous "certified" herbalist husband and wife team in my area.
I stumbled on them the first time at a point in my life where asthma and allergies were robbing me of quality of life. Even though I was under the care of an allergist, I was not thriving. They recommended an herbal combination that proved to be nothing short of a miracle for me. Over the next couple of years, I slowly learned to trust them over my medical doctors simply because they were more effective. Yet still, had I tried herbs on my own, I definitely would not have known the combination and volume necessary to treat the various illnesses successfully.
I am currently under the care of a LLMD who practices alternative medicine and is a board certified homeopath. He has me on 13 complex, combination remedies. Two months after beginning treatment, when I was at my worst herxing stage, I cheated on him and went to another LLMD who uses allopathic drugs. It took the 2nd LLMD 4 weeks to prescribe me anything during which time, I was taking nothing. My condition plataeued (sp?) When I finally began his abx, I had an allergic reaction to one drug. I tolerated the 2nd one just fine but after two weeks saw no difference in my condition. Last Monday, I went back on the homeopathy and had a swift but subtle increase in symptoms which are now reversing. I am also continuing the one abx just because I have paid for it. When it runs out at the end of this month, I will not pursue abx any further.
I am having great success on the homeopathy and I believe it is only because my doctor is so well versed in medical care, lyme disease and homeopathy. Had I tried it on my own, I would not have come close to the combination he has prescribed.
After initially believing as you that this bacteria can't be eliminated, I now do not believe that to be true. However, I do believe for the rest of our lives, we should follow some annual preventive care such as is outlined in Stephen Buhner's book. I also strongly believe people who have never been treated for lyme should follow the same preventive care.
FYI, here is an article my doctor wrote in 2002 for the Pain Foundation which explains homeopathy better than I can. Titled "Getting to the Root of the Problem".
I apologize to all who have already read my story under about a 1,000 posts. I just want the public to know there are safer options to the treatment of this disease should they care to explore it.
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Luvs2ride, your doctor, if he is your doctor, explained homeopathy very clearly in a paragraph in his article. I.e. except in very low potencies, there is no physical part of the "med" left anymore in a homeopathic, but the effect can still be present. That's why Dr. K. refers to it in his "Five Levels of Healing" as belonging in the mental field.
You might read your doctor's article again.
By the way, I have been treated on all levels except the 5th level, allbeit very briefly. But all four levels are usually addressed somewhere along the line in Dr. K.'s treatment method. See chart.
Take care.
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As a newbie, this thread has been most informative, despite the obvious frustrations. It didn't take long for me to realize that many of us are forced into ``flying by the seat of our pants'' with this Lyme thing, and we are going to bump into each other from time to time.
luvs2ride, should I assume from your posts that you are using at least one Lyme nosode? And would it be totally inappropriate for me to ask you what homeopathic remedies you are taking? I realize that it is a treatment designed specifically for you and not everyone. But it might help me determine whether or not I am on the right track.
Also, is your LLMD - the homeopathic doc - remotely close to the border of West Virginia? I have a dear friend in WV looking for an alternative LLMD. Please feel free to PM me, of course.
I live in a somewhat remote area affectionately referred to as ``East B. Jesus'' where we have no Lyme disease (oh, right), and my chances of getting to a good LLMD are looking slim. I am forced to try to figure out a lot of this on my own. I do have a good ND that is helping and a fairly open-minded regular doc (D.O.) who is supportive, but the reality is that I probably know more about Lyme treatment than either of them at this point. How scary is that.
Anyway, info would be appreciated.
Tracy
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Tracy (truthfinder) look at the thread herbal treatment by jfw. There is an overlap in Buhner's herbs and those he and his wife used. I would think one could begin slowly and add in bit by bit (my approach would be that way but I hvae some other issues to take care of at the moment and can't begin). Also my acupuncturist friend couldnt' tolerate high doses of the herbs until she chelated her metals out, she used a gentle oral formula.
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i have not yet found a good health care practicioner whom i can go to.i have tried several thousand dollars woth of health care practicioners,who did not know what they were doing,altho they claimed that they did.i have intense allergies and neuroborreliosis,late stage lyme.i am now going to a dr.in santa rosa,who can order blood tests and an omd who haS given me herbs,homeopathy,etc for past 11/2 years for borrelia and parasites.i wish i could go to dr. k or your doc.i do not like to self treat but i do not like to spend thousands of dollars on dr. who do not know what they are doing,i have had seven bites in past 20 years
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Uma,
Wasting time and money on ducks has got to be so frustrating. Isn't Dr K in CA? I really thank God I was referred to Dr S. He is treating this very aggressively with the homeopathics. He is leaving no stone unturned including treating other ailments I have had in my lifetime which have left the virus in my system. He has me on 17 remedies, most of which are taken 3x daily.
His nurse is going to call me tomorrow and I am going to ask her how others can find an LLMD with his credentials in their area. I will let you know.
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Yes, Tracy, VERY scary. BUT THAT is what we have to put up with in the outer reaches of civilization.
And YES, Tracy, begine slow by all means. Buhner definitely encourages that in his book. Your system must aclimate to the herbs.
Start out with his CORE protocol, with only one a day of each for the first week. HE recommends 1 of each, three times a day, which MAYBE your system can handle and maybe it can't. I HAD to start out with one a DAY of each, but I used Devils Claw instead of Andrographis for the first week or so.
Then the second week go to one of each, two times a day, the next week go to one of each, three times a day; then the next week go to TWO at a time, three times a day; and continue adding gradually till you get up to the maximum dosage which HE recommends for a minimum of 60 days. Probably 90 days might be better or even 120 days. Then gradually cut down just the opposite of how you started. IF you notice some symptoms returning go back up to a higher dose again. YOU will be able to tell that better than anybody. ONLY you know how YOU feel.
Add other herbs into the regimen as you feel comfortable with them. By the time you get THERE, you will be quite informed IF you keep researching and don't be afraid to vary your protocol some IF you find NEW, USEFUL info out there. Knowledge is changing ALL the time. And some of that is good.
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Thanks for PMing me, luvs2ride, and thanks for the advice oxygenbabe and JimBoB - I did find that one thread started by jfw to have good information, too.
Well, that's it. I'm getting Buhner's book. It sounds like an excellent guideline.
Can anyone recommend a good ``treating Lyme with homeopathy'' book? I might as well order that too, while I'm at it. (I already have my own Materia Medica.) Any other book recommendations are welcome, also.
I can't afford Dr. K. either, although he sounds like he understands all of this really well.
Right now, my ND and I decided to put me on:
Samento (7 drops 3 x a day) (sorry JimBob - I started before I read all this) Colloidal silver (1 dropper 3 x a day) Ledum 1 M (1 dropper 2 x a day)
Well, at least I'm on something - give the Borrelia something to think about. Tracy
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Hi Tracy: That is right, keep giving them something to think about, but not for TOO long. Get them confused then give them the killing blow.
Don't worry about me, what I say or think; Do what you have to do at the time. I just report what is working or not working for me, and also report what Buhner has to say about things. After all, HE has more experience with herbs than any of us here. But no one knows it all. Good thing is, IF something is not working real well, you can always switch in a month or two.
which lists a couple of books. I PM'd this to you as I could not seem to post yesterday.
Luvs
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Hi Tracy Advanced Naturals Heavy Metal Detox I and II. I found it somewhere onthe web and bought it but haven't tried it yet.
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