Topic: anybody have petruchia (little red dots on skin)??
geniveve
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my doc said these red dots i have are called petruchia. somebody help me out here with spelling please.
they're said to be proof positive for lyme, or as he said, no doubt about it. well my mom has them all over her body and i don't know if she's got lyme or not. nobody else in family has them tho.
will they ever go away, maybe with anti treatment?
they sure are unslightly, itch a little but really don't bother me.
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klutzo
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I have them too, on the trunk of my body, my thighs,and some on my upper arms. They usually happen when my blood pressure spikes, and then take months to fade away. Some stay forever.
I was told they were due to capillary fragillity. That sounded like a typical duck dx to me....a symptom, not a cause.
I can't spell it either, but I think it might be pettechiae.
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Aniek
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It's called petechiae. I know there have been posts about it in the past. In rare cases, it can be the symptom of a blood disorder called ITP which has low platelet count. I think it's a pretty easy test.
But I get it, and my platelet count is fine. It did worsen when I started antibiotics. I'm not sure if it was the abx or that I took a blood thinner at first to help the abx get deeper.
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I have them too, particularly on my lower legs and around my ankles (along with swelling).
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hiker53
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I have had them my whole life (but have only had Lyme for 3 years).
My father who is extremely healthy and has no lyme has them, also.
I believe they are partially caused by genetics)redheads in particular get more of them).
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geniveve
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my new doc just called this afternoon. they took 5 vials of blood at the appointment.
she said all bloodwork was normal. i asked what it was and she said, cbc, count, thyroid, ammonia levels, liver enzymes, and something else.
i asked about the lyme tests and she said they haven't come back yet.
my mom has had these most of her life and is in pretty good health for a 83 year old. yep, she was a readhead in her youth.
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Ann-OH
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I googled it and found this good info Ann - OH
[quote] Definition of Petechiae
Petechiae: Pinpoint flat round red spots under the skin surface caused by intradermal hemorrhage (bleeding into the skin).
Petechiae are red because they contain red blood that has leaked from the capillaries into the skin.
Petechiae are quite tiny (less than 3 millimeters in diameter) and do not blanch when pressed upon.
There are many conditions in which petechiae may be seen. These conditions range from very minor to very major. The common causes of petechiae include local injury and trauma, allergic reactions, autoimmune diseases, viral infections that impair blood coagulation (clotting), thrombocythemia (an abnormally high platelet level), certain medical treatments such as radiation and chemotherapy, idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), leukemia and other bone marrow malignancies that may lower the number of platelets, and sepsis (bloodstream infection).
Petechiae are commonly seen right after birth in the newborn and after violent vomiting or coughing.
Drugs such as the anticoagulants warfarin (Coumadin) or heparin, aspirin, and cortisone can also cause petechiae.
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I've had them for years....have had lyme for years.
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map1131
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I've had them since onset of flu-like I'm dying illness in July 99.
They are always on me. Arms, legs, stomach, back and I suspect the butterfly like rash on my face is also just petechiae rash.
They do become more pronounced after a detox bath or being in the sun.
Pam
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i've asked 5 llmd's about these red bumps aka petecchia (plural) and every one has told me they are normal. i told them they increase with lyme progression but they all say it is not from lyme or babs. it was mentioned many times on lymenet that this is proof positive for babs, but is it not true. i have an increasing number at age 52 and negative babs tests for 6 years, with positive lymew test with treatment for 6 years. most doctors call them age spots due to fractured capillaries under the skin. as you get older the skin is more frialbe and weeker ,also capillaries get weaker hench these spots, spider veins and varicose veins all fall in the same category. docdave
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My entire family (aunts, uncles, cousins, etc)have these and they do not have lyme.....They got more pronounced during pregnancy for all the females in my family...
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I had them when I first got extremely ill. They
would appear on my legs in circular groupings
around bruises that would spontaneously just
appear on my legs without ever hitting them on
something.
One month into treatment after treating babesia
with mepron and zith...they disappeared and have
not come back since.
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TerryK
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I have them. My doctor said that she sees them in patients with fluid retention. Terry
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lpkayak
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hi-i would really like to know the names of docs who say they(red dots..pett______) are a sign of lyme. again my doc said no and he is one of the orig llmds...are other llmds saying they are a sign? if so...could you email me their names so i could tell my doc. i am [email protected] i've been around a long time and know most of the "old" llmds. i don't think dr b mentions them ...does he? actually i remember (well i thought i did) that they were a sign of babs...but i'd just like to know where the research is...mine are getting worse along with other symptoms and i think i am going to start tx again after 5 yrs off. thanks.
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It wasn't my LLMD that told me they are a sign of lyme but a veterinarian...well he didn't tell me...but he took one look at my legs and then told me he felt strongly I had lyme....
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map1131
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Many times when this topic comes up people are confusing their rashes. There is nothing normal about a petechiae rash.
You don't one day wake up and have a serious illness that scares the daylights out of you and soon after be covered in thousands of these tiny blood spots all over your body and then think the two are in no way connected.
I don't claim to know whys of this type rash. I just know there must be something that happened at the cell level that caused these blood dots to explode 6 yrs ago and have never disappeared because something is still in me or that something caused some disorder that hasn't been corrected yet.
Rashes are usually way down the list when it comes to sx of this illness. Well, except the bulls eye. That seems to get people's attention. This sx doesn't cause pain or relate to the hundreds of other serious sx we have. Or does it?
As Dr C used to tell me. When research gets down to the nitty gritty on the cellular level of these TBI, only then will there be hope of finding a true CURE.
Pam
-------------------- "Never, never, never, never, never give up" Winston Churchill Posts: 6478 | From Louisville, Ky | Registered: Jan 2002
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I have these on my lower legs. The muscles under them are tight and sore.
I've shown them to every doctor I've seen for the past four years. The rash is worse on my left leg, which is also the side with the Lyme knee.
It started with unexplained bruises on my ankles. And my ankles swelled. I thought it was an allergy to weeds or fertilizer, as I was working outside at the time.
The best explanation I've gotten is that it's an immune response to SOMETHING. That was from my rheumatolgist. Who missed the Lyme diagnosis.
I have very fair skin and it's always been sensitive.
But my mom had this, too, and her skin was olive-toned. She had RA.
Perhaps when healthy people have it, it's a remnant of an immune reaction, the tendancy to get it being genetic.
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geniveve
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the doc i was going to at the time was dr. m in bedford, texas. he took one look at them and said you have lyme. but my mom has them all over and she does not have lyme, however, she has high blood pressure and bad arthritis.
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I have them too. Worse after bath or shower.
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trails
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are there any images of this rash someone could put up here? I cant find any.
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I used to get these as well, usually after a shower. But they didn't last too long.
Since starting babs tx, I don't get them anymore. I never tested positive for babs but did have lots of the symptoms.
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geniveve
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please let me clarify. this is NOT a rash. these are small dots that appear in separate places on my body. there is no surrounding red area. just like a teeny, weeny red dot. it won't come off with scratching and believe me, i've tried and it bleeds like crazy, so i stopped.
i've had several doctors say they are hereditary, nothing to worry about. but this one llmd took one look and told me that since i only had one plus at 39 and 41 that i was seriously, seriously ill with lyme (course i didn't feel that bad!!). i mean that man scared the poop out of me....... he said they were indicative of late stage very severe lyme.
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My dr. told me they are part of an infectious process. Be it lyme or some other infection.
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Linda LD
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I have them on my chest.
I have had mastitius several times over the couple of years of treatment and I get a rash around my chest when I get hot outside--which is really weird looking--even creeped my doc out.
Doc keeps asking me if I got bit on my chest...don't remember...
L
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