GiGi
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Most symptoms of Lyme disease, heavy metal toxicity, mold exposure and parasite infection often look identical. Here is a way to differentiate:
Tip #1 -
Lyme symptoms worsen during and after successful mercury detoxification (Hg-poisoning was successfully used as a treatment for spirochetes. After eliminating Hg, the microbes recover before the host immune system does)
Mold sypmtoms improve after successful Hg removal (mold uses Hg to protect itself from the host immune system)
Tip #2
Lyme arthritis affects the large joints, mostly knee and hip.
Mold arthritis affects the small joints of the spine (facet joints) and of the fingers
Tip #3 Rythms and biorythms:
Mold symptoms can flare up within minutes after exposure (i.e. visiting someone who lives in a moldy home)
Lyme symptoms undulate with slower biorythms: 9-10 day cycles, 28-day cycles. When symptoms come back, usually slow rise in intensity over 24 hours.
Worm and parasite symptoms worsen for 2-3 days during the full moon (this is when they are sexually most active and propagate - with accompanying immune reaction). Patient feels relatively well during new moon.
Tip #4: location:
Mold sufferers feel better in dry climates
Lyme sufferers cannot tolerate sunshine and often feel worse in dry/sunny climates (avoid sun, get depressed in sun)
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Very interesting GIGI,
i cant tolerate the sun to much, yet feel worse on damp days.
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Hmmm....now you've got me wondering if my Lyme rash was really something else, even though a duck PCP even said it was Lyme. I now wonder if my two highly positive Bowen tests were wrong as well. Not to mention my monthly herx cycles.
I love the sun, try to make sure I get some every day, and feel many times better when I do. 2-3 cloudy days in a row makes me depressed.
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That's pretty neat about the full moon, a very powerful time indeed. thank you for sharing
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Gigi-
Is there a reliable blood test for mold?
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Thanks as always for you kindly sharing these notes. I always print them out and save them in my reference binder.
I can say without a doubt I've got all 3 issues: Hg, parasites and lyme co-infections. Lucky me!! The facial pain and other body aches during the 2-3 days around the full moon are usually off the charts, my worst symptoms. Right now I'm muscle testing the strongest to the antiparasite tincture (also antibacterial), my body appears to want that one the most. I've already passed what I think are worms the past couple of days. The colonics and lymphatic drainage are also making me feel much better. I'm taking it slow and learning to back off if I start feeling overwhelmed. Candida is also a problem but the colonics are helping that as well. My hand pains aren't near as bad as they used to be.
I sometimes feel yucky for several days during the new moon. Have you ever heard of this? I've read that the new moon is the time when our bodies are best able to detox... so maybe my body is trying to eliminate more toxins than it can handle.
I used to feel great in the sun until just several years ago. I kept wondering why for the past 2 summers the sun made me feel so poisoned. It makes sense now - the huge fillings were all removed several years ago, after which the lyme came raging out full force. Luckily, I had Dr. H to diagnose me then.
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Remember, that you can have both a Lyme problem and a Mold problem. Dr. K. finds both in many patients. Not a couple of patients; but many patients. He finds it with ART.
If you do not have any Bioenergetic testing (ART, EAV, kinesiology) available, Immunosciences Lab does a mold panel.
Also it is very clear to him and that is how he instructs his patients: When Mold is the problem, the diet should be high protein. If Lyme is the major problem, a high protein diet is a very bad idea, because it makes for high acidity and that is the milieu where the Lyme bacteria flourish.
I will post more information on Mold later today. Right now if am heading into my sauna. Check back.
Take care.
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When Mold is the problem, the diet should be high protein. If Lyme is the major problem, a high protein diet is a very bad idea, because it makes for high acidity and that is the milieu where the Lyme bacteria flourish.
What if they are both a problem? What kind of diet does he suggest then?
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my thoughts exactly ticktoxic.
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quote:Originally posted by Ticktoxic: When Mold is the problem, the diet should be high protein. If Lyme is the major problem, a high protein diet is a very bad idea, because it makes for high acidity and that is the milieu where the Lyme bacteria flourish.
What if they are both a problem? What kind of diet does he suggest then?
Yep Iam gona eat carb diet while on abx's for lyme because acids jump up then I can attack yeast problem.
I disagree with the Dr on that one. Apparently he's never peed a lighting bolt for 4 days.Balance is key
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What if you have both. Usually they are not an equal problem. Get tested properly and you will find out where you stand. That's why the proper sequence in treatment is so important. Often you cannot fix one problem without fixing the other first. Many do not know that they have more of a mold problem than a Lyme problem.
I have said it for 6 years on this board, Lyme is not and never Lyme alone. There is always an underlying or accompanying problem - without addressing all, getting totally well is not easy
Now let's have a few more nasty comments, so everyone can really start feeling better!
Treepatrol, I don't understand and don't appreciate your toxic comments.
Take care.
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How about high protien, low carb and green vegtables to balance the acidity?
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: What if you have both. Usually they are not an equal problem. Get tested properly and you will find out where you stand. That's why the proper sequence in treatment is so important. Often you cannot fix one problem without fixing the other first. Many do not know that they have more of a mold problem than a Lyme problem.
I have said it for 6 years on this board, Lyme is not and never Lyme alone. There is always an underlying or accompanying problem - without addressing all, getting totally well is not easy
Now let's have a few more nasty comments, so everyone can really start feeling better!
Treepatrol, I don't understand and don't appreciate your toxic comments.
Take care.
I wasnt being toxic to you gigi. I commented on the Dr's approach. Read mlkeen post below mine."How about high protien, low carb and green vegtables to balance the acidity? " Thats it in my opinion.
As far as peeing a lighting bolt Iam a man and had yeast take off on me because I missed one dose of acidophilis 2 pills in the morning and by 2pm had a raging yeast infection . Low carb high protien and fats worked for me.
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I will add one more here - if you are heavy metal toxic, as every Lyme person that I have met over the last eight years is, when addressing the detox of heavy metals, the intake has to be High Protein. A high carbohydrate intake combined with protein malnutrition (especially in vegetarians) is a risk factor because it can slow down or injhibit the body's own elimination processes. There are many other factors; that's just one of them.
Proteins provide the important precursors to the endogenous metal detox and shuttle agents.
If you are stalled in your recovery from Lyme, you might find out why if you broaden your search. There is no one-size fits all.
Take care.
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Thanks for the great info, GiGi... I saved that info...
Regarding mold testing: It is my understanding that mold tests can only tell you 2 things: (1)If you have ever had exposure (antibodies) to certain molds, and (2) if you are allergic to a type of mold.
I already know I have exposure to Stachybotrys black mold.... what I need to know is if it is currently in my system wreaking havoc...
Boy, it sure would be nice to have someone around here who did A.R.T., or even other muscle testing....
Tracy
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Tracy, there is a practitioner listed in Denver. Check www.neuraltherapy.com. Call and ask them if they actively do ART. Be well.
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Gigi
Thanks for always posting information to get us thinking/rethinking. I know you are not a doctor so you may not have an answer but maybe you do from your long association with Dr. K.
My son did the heavy metal urine testing 8/03 and it was negative. Should he do testing again since he is really not budging his symptoms ever....at all.
If you can't have ART testing how do you figure out which mold is the problem?
I appreciate that you have stuck around all these years!
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Thanks, Scott. I already checked out Dr. K's website and found the Denver listing.... if I get the chance to head over there, I will call to see about the ART.
Denver is 4 hours away in good weather. Sorry to be a whiner, but there are too many days that I can't even make it to the post office.
I'm hoping some of my natural therapies will help me enough eventually so I can tackle a little bit of travel. I've got a list of some very promising practitioners.
Tracy
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Immunosciences Lab does a mold panel.
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Gigi, Thanks for the info, as usual it is invaluable. I am very impressed with Dr. K's protocols.
I go to a practitioner who does NAET which uses muscle testing. She has been so remarkably accurate in helping me peel away the layers of all these conditions. It sounds similiar to how Dr. K practices.
Truthfinder--My practitioner taught me how to muscle test myself so I can double check supplements, foods, etc. This helps me know what to take, what to avoid, what is showing up as an allergy or toxicity.
It also enables me to check for molds, pollens, and other allergens. Several of my friends who go there have learned this technique and it is so valuable to us.
Good health to all on this lovely spring day!
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Symptoms of Mycotoxin Exposure
Many fungi produce toxic metabolites called mycotoxins, many of which are neurotoxic. Over 100 species known to cause infection in humans.
Acute exposure:
Acute memory loss Sinus problems Flu like symptoms Body aches and pains Sore throats Diarrhea Generalized mailaise Headache Nose bleeds Dermatitis Multiple ANS Symmetric arthritis of spinal joints and small joints of fingers
Chronic Exposure:
Immune suppression with all its consequences (lower proportion of CD3 T-lymphocytes CFIDS MCS Fibromyalgia Memory loss and multiple cognitive problems Hair loss Ovarian cysts and fibroids, fertility problems both male and female Chronic sinusitis Cancer (many mycotoxins are highly carcinogenic) In Children: neurodevelopmental problems (autism, seizures, ADHD) and cancer Fetal malformations and other problems MS Like symptoms and CNS pathology Parkinson like symptoms and CNS changes Mood disorders Uncontrolled emotions Psychiatric presentation Tingling, numbness vibrations (both inside head and extremities) ANS symptoms Human studies on infants: Ueno, 1980, Jacob etal, 1994) in Jan 17, 2005 in MMWR: cluster of fatal pulmonary hemorrhage and hemosiderosis Animal studies: necrosis and hemorrhave within brain, thymus, spleen, intestine, heart, lung, lymph nodes, liver and kidney
Allergic symptoms:
Sinusitis Cognitive and memory problems Bronchitis Asthma Rhinitis Conjunctivitis\ Urinay urgency Blurry vision Loss of visual contract (FACT) Hypersensitivity pleumonitis
Treatment:
Indoor air quality inspection and culturing of organisms: leaky roofs, plumbing leaks, overflow from sinks and sewers, damp basement or crawl space, steam from shower or cooking, flooding, sprinkler spray hitting the house or underground flow of rain water, humidifiers, damp clothing or dryers exhaustin indoors
Desensitization (EPD, homeopathy, ART based techniques (NAET, EAV or EDS, APN allergy technique)
Intravenous protocols (Vit C 25-5 gms, glutathione 600-4500 mg, alpha lipoic acid 600 mg over l hour, Hepa Merz = ornithine aspartate, weekly ca-EDTA, nutritional IV's (Majid Ali)
Medical drug and others: chlorella, cholestyramine, betasitostero, reedgrass - and apple pectin, charcoal, propolis, ground flax seed and fiber for prevention of enterohepatic recirculation of toxins, fluconazole and other antifungals, nystatin
Take care.
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Thanks for the tip, Chronic....
I did some checking on NAET practitioners.... looks like the closest one is about 200 miles away, even if I go into another state.
Well, I may just look at local practitioners who do Kinesiology or some other form of MT. It still might be helpful.
Tracy
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i know i have exposure...i just wish i new someone in my are that treats it.
will antifungals treat the mold as well?
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Just after I obtained Lyme Disease (didn't know it yet) I was exposed to some major mold and who knows what else when my husband and I tore down an old building...like over 100 years old.
My symptoms exacerbated when I had dental work done.
After treating Lyme and co-infections for 2 years, I am standing still.
I'm sure it's got something to do with both of those issues.
I have been detoxing like crazy. Haven't been able to do the cholestyramine or chlorella because of side effects I couldn't tolerate.
Looking back over the past 5 years, it it so clear that the mindset of multiple issues is true.
Bug
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Dr. K also uses Amphotericin B (caps) as an antifungal.
Chris
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A Propolis Vaporizer scientifically proven to work on molds in your living quarters. I have one that we keep in the bedroom - it makes for wonderful air and works for asthma and other breathing problems. Next time I can afford it, we will get one for the sitting area, etc.
Biopure carries them.
Take care.
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gigi, I remember many,many moons ago you offered to PM people if they were looking for a ART practioner on the east coast. If my memory holds true and the offer is still good, could you send me a PM with that info?
If not, thanks for always having an alternative approach. It obviously worked for you. Perhaps it could do the same for me. In fact, it probably is the little boost I need. Have had good results with many of the suggestions found here.
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thanks a bunch gigi. I assume that you mean the M is in the first name and G in last name as I think there is a dr Mcsomething. Sometimes I just look at stuff and assume too much so for clarity's sake I'll ask. If no answer, I'll just assume that is true
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Yes, sorry, it is Dr. M.G., MD. Dr. Mc is definitely not interesting. There used to be a Dr. S., MD. But I think he moved on and I would not consider that either. I am just going by the reports I get back over time.
Good luck. And I would be interested in hearing afterward if you decide to go there. My e-mail is [email protected]
Take care.
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OH WOW...thanks...
This is obviously why collidal silver works on some of us...
It's the full moon (werewolf) thingy...
This also explains why when the tides rush in and out my symptoms wax and wane...
Could also be attribuuted to my listening pleasure(frequencies)...
Like when I listen to Bach and Brams and Bethven my symptoms wane...
But the first note of u2 or Rap and my symptoms jump into a wax!
Is this dr K Karlof as in Boris Karlof...?
That would explain a lot!
Especially his scientific expertise...
I have lyme and I enjoy the sun...
The people who you refer to as having lyme and are intolerant of the sunshine....
Obviously have the VAMPIRE strain of BB.... Usually associated with infections from living in Salem Mass or the european mutation picked up in Transylvania as opposed to pennsylvania....
So what we really need are microscopic wooden stakes...
Real tiny silver bullets...and wolfbane tied around our necks...
ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE...I learned that HIGH PROTEIN diets and supps may cause Kidney Failure... SOOO be careful......
Well.....you did ask for it!
Happy days...........I'm going fishing...
the ORIGINAL NASTY MAN...zman
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GiGi
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Here is more on Mold from my file collection"
Many Fungi produce toxic metabolites called mycotosins, many of which are neurotoxic. Over 100 species known to cause infection in humans.
Three classifications of infection:
1. Systemic (by inhalation): in healthy individuals self limited illness; in immune suppressed individuals may disseminate (generally fatal). Example: Histoplasmosis, Coccidioidomycosis and Paracoccidioidomycosis, Blastomycosis
2. Oopportunistic infection (common in Lyme and as a result of heavy metal toxicity): Facultative parasites - can use living and dead substrates for nutrition.
Example: Stachybotrys Candida Aspergillus Mucor Cladosporium (most commonly found genus of fungi in outdoor air in temperate climates' refrigerators and moist window frames, doscolors interior paint, textiles and paper, soil of over-watered house plants, sprulates heavily with buoyant spores, together with Alternaria causes hay fever and asthma) Rhizopus Cryptococcus Fusarium Graminaerum: in water damaged carpets, often found in schools, also in cereals.
3. Dermatophytes (hair, skin and nails). Usually contracted by direct contact through sharing grooming utsensils, showers, and towels). Also passed on via soil.
Mycotoxins:
Aspergillus and penicillum species produce:
Aflatoxin Sterigmatocytin Ochratoxin
Stachybotrys species and fusarium produce (worst is probably stabybotyreis chartarum - greenish-black fungus that grows on fiberboard, gypsum/dry-wall, dust and lint, wallpaer, insurlation, particleboard, water damaged wood. The spores are not destroued in fi9re. Spores gravitate to floor: even finding one airborne spore often indicates "lost cause");
Satraoxins
Tricothecince )extremely potent): Several subtypes of macrocytic tricothecenes; stachybotryolactone, verrucarin J, roridin E, satratoxin F, G & H, sporidesmin G, trichoverrols and trichoverrins, 9-ohenylspirodrimanes (cyclosporins & spirolactams)
T-2 toxin Vomitoxin Fumonisin Zearalenone
Numerous other mycotoxins produced by these and other fungi of which the health effects remain unknown.
Living in Seattle, we use the "Propolis Vaporizer" in the bedrooms of our house and in the locations where we spend many hours. It is most pleasant and very effective for molds. It is very helpful to people suffering from asthma. Just do a search on the Internet. Biopure carries them - one type for the house and a smaller model for the car.
Take care.
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If I had asthma, today I would go for AI.
Some old and still good stuff.
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GiGi,
My severe asthma that I have had for 40 yrs is completely gone since I started to use antiparasitics 3yrs ago. I think I might have had lung worms. Is it possible that the antiparasitics could have also gotten rid of the mold as well?
Gael
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Yes, the hot bright sun makes me feel like a vampire some days...
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Gigi, would a simple MSH blood test help as an indicator for mold ?
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No, doubtful. MSH can be low for other reasons that mold.
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Gigi you're still around?? I wanted to ask you something since you seem to keep contact with a lot of people that had both lyme and mercury/heavy metal poisoning. I had stalled in my lyme treatment, then discovered I had mercury poisoning (go figure) and I've been doing chelation for three months now. How long does it seem to take for people in this situation to notice improvement? I'm following a basic blend of Dr. K's protocol and Andy Cutlers so I should be getting the stuff out.
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Metal detox can take years and is a life-long process. It's something everyone should be doing. You may also want to look at the Allergie-Immun therapy that GiGi has discussed here elsewhere as that may be a benefit to you.
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Karen, I don't know what MSH stands for. If you have a mold/fungi concern, you may want to read the threads below.
Pryorka, possibly take a look at these threads.
AI - therapy totally stands on its own; and is unlike any other alternative methods.
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