lymemomtooo
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Turtle, I do not have any great answer but I also suffered from pain between 2 teeth..Nothing showed up on x-ray and the dr asked me if I was using any thing special on my teeth.
The last couple of times I had gotten toothpaste that had a whitener in it..He said that is it..Use sensodyne for a few weeks and all should be ok.. lymemomtooo
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The pain in my teeth seems to come from the nerves in my face.
It was bad for weeks when I started doxycycline, now it's better, although I still have twitches in my face and ears. And the never ending sirens and jet plane noises in my head.
I recently broke a tooth in the same spot where the pain was the worst. Even with 1/4 of the tooth gone (it also has an old and large filling in it) that really bad pain hasn't returned.
In other words, the tooth wasn't the source of the pain, it was coming from the nerve running above it, through the cheekbone.
It's hard to live with that nerve pain. And even hydrocodone (the narcotic in Vicoden) only takes the edge off.
My LLMD has me taking Benadryl for herxing--it seems to help some with pain.
I've found some relief from using a warm herbal pillow thing--the ones you can put in the microwave and heat up. It's full of grain of some kind. I like the small rectangular-shaped ones because you can drape it around the place that hurts.
And using sensitive teeth toothpaste helps.
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AZURE WISH
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I get pain in my teeth off and on...
It will be in two or three teeth for awhile then go away then come back in different teeth.
No heat or cold sensitivity. Dentist says teeth are fine.
can't really tell you why.... I also have pain in my arm/leg bones so I figure my teeth are just another bone it effects.
I also have shooting pains in the bones, but this is the least frequent of my symptoms, since right now I am in a warm climate.
But earlier in the disease when I live upstate NY, it was a much stronger symptom and this was before the teeth pain began.
So...however, I must say my impression is that right now it is the nerve in my face that goes into the teeth because the pain was so sever all up the right side of my head.
So the teeth/bone pain
and
the facial nerve pain.
Hmmmmm.
The question becomes...if it IS the facial nerve...in this instance that causes the severity (more than the bone pain) toward debilitation
kgg
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In my experience a root canal did not stop it. I wish I had not wasted my money and caused even more problems having the root canals!
Karen
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TerryK
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Since chronic lyme can cause fibromyalgia and fibromyalgia can cause referred pain via trigger points, I would consider that as a possibility. Referred pain from either the nerves or muscles in the face, neck etc.. seem like good candidates.
Go to the left hand side of this forum to the amazon shop now banner and click. Look for the book by Claire Davies called The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook: Your Self-Treatment Guide for Pain Relief. Many fibromyalgia patients have their teeth worked on only to find out that it does not help.
I would avoid a root canal at all costs. You open yourself up to a bone infection and constant pain from that. I actually had a root canal tooth removed because I thought it was causing my pain but the pain is still there and appears to be deep in the bone, right under where the root canal was.
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I had terrible pain in a molar before being diagnosed. The dentist felt there must be a fracture somewhere, though he could not find it on the x-ray.
Lots of procedures and money later, it went away, though he said that what he did would only help temporarily and that I would eventually hurt again and I would need a post and crown.
I then learned I had Lyme. My understanding is that becuase Lyme affects the fifth nerve (which causes the common symtpom of Bell's Palsy), it can also affect your teeth.
I have been experiencing some weird random teeth pains (2 1/1 years into treatment) recently and attribute it to some herx or something.
Julie
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HEATHERKISS
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The pains in my teeth and jaw are practically nonexistant now.
It goes away with antibiotic treatment.
I think a root canal would make things worse.
It is really horrible awful pain. I used to make it worse becuase I would clenth my teeth in pain.
Just keep taking your rx.
I hope you feel some relief soon.
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Annie C
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Bowen Lab conferms Bb in teeth and tears. Using the green die testing. I have lost all my teeth because of Lime. Sincerely Annie
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lymemomtooo
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NOt sure if this applies or not but Marnie always says the bacteria depletes Mg and I have read it depletes calcium. My daughter also has almost no Vit D. My daughter at 16 was diagnosed with osteoporosis..
All of them are probably needed for bone and tooth health..so maybe boosting them would help with some of the pain..lymemomtooo
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I had tooth pain too, and agree w/Heatherkiss that mine also went away w/abx.
Oddly enough, I've also had two teeth chip or break since becoming ill. Maybe the calcium/Mg levels have something to do w/this?
I know this may sound like a nutty idea, but I had some cold sores pop up this week after starting tinidazole. They were getting so painful that I decided to dump the contents of a capsule of andrographis on it this morning, with the thought that these "cold sores" must be a result of the tini opening up a lot of cysts, and therefore spirochetes, in the area. I moved the andrographis powder around my mouth in that area then swallowed it (it tastes horrible), and now (about six hrs later) almost all evidence of the cold sores is gone. I figured that this direct application of full strength andrographis would overwhelm Bb and act faster than just popping the capsules orally and waiting for it to get there through the bloodstream.
What does this have to do w/our teeth, you may be wondering. Well, if Bb is in our teeth, maybe doing a swish and swallow w/andrographis or one of the other recommended herbs will deliver more antibacterial activity directly to the area. I was actually thinking about doing this before reading this thread.
Advantages to taking andrographis this way include better absorption into the bloodstream, since none of it would be susceptible to degradation by stomach acids and rapid absorption through the oral mucosa.
Just another one of my hairbrained ideas.
Patti
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tooth and facial pain in lyme disease are caused by neuralgias of the seventh and fifth cranial nerves coming form the spine to the face. the 7th ,trigeminal nerve splits at the inner to form mulitple nerves that can be affected including the ear, lower jaw, tongue, upper sinuses and all teeth. i have lost 4 teeth to pain from neuralgia, but it is usually not isolated to the 5th and 7th nerves, it is usually in other palces in the body. as per popular belief by many members of the board, THERE IS A WAY TO DO ROOT CANALS THAT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL FOR 15-30 YEARS. THEY MUST BE DONE OLD SCHOOL METHOD IN MULPTIPLE APPOINTMENT AND WITH CULTURES AND CALCIUM HYDROXIDE PASTE TO NEUTRALIZE THE ACID OF THE ABSCESS. further info can be obtained in needed at [email protected]
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1) because of the way our immune system works at the site of an injury, these bacteria preferentially infect such areas. If you had any dental problems in the area in the past, the infection may have gained a stronghold there that now causes inflammation and pain.
2) these bacteria muck with our vitamin D levels, and can push 1,25D levels (the biologically active form of the vitamin) high enough to disrupt the normal calcium handling of bones and teeth. Since my infection, I've had an unusual number of tooth problems, from cracked molars to chipped teeth.
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Aside from it's many other benefits, oil pulling can do wonders for the teeth.
-- personally, I only had some mild transient tooth pain which is indeed gone now, but many folks doing this say it helps more chronic and serious tooth problems, perhaps by dealing with bacteria (?).
If you are interested in trying it, the good news is it costs next to nothing.
(read doen the thread for Dr. Karach's writing and the informational pdf to learn about the therapy)
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I will definitely look into this oil pulling...the more natural and less invasive the better at this point. It wouldn't hurt to learn about it and give it a try.
It's likely a combo of infected tooth and nerve pain.
valymemom
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Mo & Gigi
I just want to thank you for suggesting the oil pulling. I have been doing this now for 5/6 weeks first thing in the morning and my teeth have all strengthened & whitened. I was afraid some were going to crack. The pain in my molar is also gone. I also had browning, discoloration behind my teeth and this is lessening, too. I have noticed that I don't have bleeding when I floss, either.
Anyone who has teeth problems do a search here on detoxing by oil pulling and read Mo and Gigi's advice.
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I wondered myself how Lyme effecs teeth. I go through periods of pain from above-thought maybe it was sinus pressure.
Also-so many of my teeth have broken-even after root canals-most of them are capped. So even though it appears that I have most of my teeth (two just couldn't be saved and were pulled) they're really just caps trying to hold together broken teeth with root canals and pins to hold them in place.
Sure makes me wonder what my heavy metal reading would be. I have asked my dentist why am I having such problems ? He's kind of clueless I guess-he told me to stop chewing gum and eating nuts !
Long time no hear. I am doing this suck/swish/pull method. My teeth were turning black as a result of abx, and no amount of cleaning/rinsing would get risk of it.
It was a little difficult the first few times (I am a gagger) but I was determined to stay with it as I can't a. fford to go to dentist. It's working.
I do it after brushing teeth in the morning and again just before going to bed. I am going to take a small bottle to work and use it after lunch. It really has helps with staining plus my teeth feel better, along with my whole mouth.
I was amazed the first time I used it (swished for 2 minutes) and then spit out. By this time, the oil was a dark grey in spots. I don't have cankers now. Was having problems with yeast (that's another story) but using oil really helped with getting rid of yeast.
Corinne
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valymemom
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I have to say......this is the one thing... (my mouth & used-to-be awful looking teeth) I feel like I have control over now.....
Seeing, results is so very satisfying!
My teeth were weak and very transparent....now strong and healthy looking.
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I would NOT recommend a root canal ever! I had one; and that was pure hell. They lowered my head to where my knee cabs would have been.
I have a hiatal hernia, GERD, panic attacks, and I told oral surgeon this wasn't working. "if you continue to fight me, I'll quit." Who's fighting him? I was trying to breath & hyper ventilating!
Had a crack in my tooth dentist wanted to repair; no way; I had it pulled.
May have to have my analgrams removed in future; haven't had my followup LLMD appt. yet for her to go over all my test lab results in English.
Good luck, and hope you decide to have a tooth pulled vs. root canal.
Email docdave; his former professsion!
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just don
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NO ROOT CANALS!!!!
I have read on here and these are thier words NOT mine. There has NEVER been a root canal that has never been infection free. It will make your lyme worse and the underlying ligament a prone place for BB to set up shop. ALL my teeth are full of holes, cracked, broke and rotting off. I think it started before i knew what I had. The bb sucked all the calcium out of my body it could find. had a full bone scan and had other places and bones and the beginnings of osteoporosis. First sign was when driving down the road to my late uncles birthday party and a tooth crumbled and I spit out the pieces into my hand, just out of the blue. I now take alot of calcium suplement which has decreased the progression. This is not well known,,,even by LLMD's. A:LL: my teeth are going as soon as I can afford to do so with a full debriment clear up to the jaw bone. Do a root canal search here and get particulars. Must deberis or more and extensive problems occur. Have to take out the tendon and ligament in that tooth 'socket'. A bone scan can reveal necropsy tissue from within the tooth area. It is a favorite hiding place because of its density and hard to get drugs in there. look it up, tis true!!!
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treepatrol
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Wife always got teeth pain when hering I never did until this past year when I was on ketek.
It has to do with the Trigeminal Nerve i think that was it?
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