stymielymie
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man we got a lot of sick people here. i'll go with my theory that stage 3 lymies will go into remission, butr never get totally rid of the bacteria.
anybody tried vacuum therapy. they use a HBO chamber and evacute all the air. works in less than 5 minutes.lol
if you kill the host, you kill the lyme. lol
keep on trucking or wheelchairing
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Dave....let me in!
Daves not here!
Man dave... that's a heckofa treatment!
I think you need a little vacation time on the boat with a couple umbrella drinks and some female companionship!
Take a small cruise to Safety Harbor dock, doc and I'll buy...
In answer to your inquiry though....
This being a rather relative question I can answer with relative certainty that I have relatives that are relatively healthy......
zman
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Heard the vacuuming HBO way is not as effective as the regular chamber treatments.
If I knowing this to be that of the soft chamber way? Is that what it is?
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Yeah lady if the soft chamber is between your ears.....
LOL
Dave's having a little fun today dear....
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Gotta separate the N from the H.
Where there's a will, there's a way!
As I see it...4 alternative paths can and do indeed eliminate this infection over time (about 2 years).
I do not have lyme. My sister does. The research has been for HER and all of you here.
I wanted to know WHY antibiotics (tons for years) didn't cure her. I have a medical background. Like most of you here, I believed in "traditional medicine".
1500 + MS word files later...
Look closely at Bb's genetic profile.
What happens when C-acetyltransferase drops?
What happens when acetylcholine rises?
What is the impact of a PFK inhibitor?
What happens when choline drops?
What in the world is it that the Western Fence Lizard produces that is capable of eliminating Bb?
What happens when Bb uses 2 of our 3 antioxidant enzymes to avoid destruction by superoxide and H2O2?
What happens when Mg levels drop?
Why is TNF alpha thru the roof?
What is triggering NFkB prolonging this disease?
What is the impact of ethanol since all spirochetes ferment sugar to ethanol?
The "mindset" here is antibiotics.
They do NOT cure this infection. They may keep the symptoms under control and drive Bb into cyst form, but they do not CURE this disease. They DO, however, rid co-infections. But...they alter the immune response and destroy beneficial bacteria which alone is disasterous.
We're dealing with a UNIQUE pathogen.
Think "outside" the box.
Tony...Doc's on the wrong coast, but you are not. Help is nearby...and it works.
Ask Greg if he shows up again. He is well now and only pops in once in awhile.
Or...follow Kent's lead...faithfully.
This too, shall work.
I am NOT kidding.
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So, Marnie, what are the 4 alternative paths you have in mind?
I guess I am not quite following what you are saying....
Perhaps it is true that ABX don't cure Lyme, but do you think we should be doing?
I heard from one of my LLMD's patients that she (the LLMD) is now more toward integrating alternative medicines into treatment plans, and sounds like it's a good thing, doesn't it?
Anyway, I am sorry that your sister has been treated with ABX for a long time and still sick.
Thank you for doing such extensive research for her and for us.
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Tony-
Tag you're it!
TaTa! Ali
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Marnie,
I am interested in what you're saying, and I appreciate you wanting to help. However, I do NOT have a medical background. I do not know what half the things you talk about are, nor do I know where to start to try to understand it. I don't even know what half those words, or more, mean that you just typed above.
I wonder if I am not the only one who finds the message you're trying to give out hard to understand/decipher. Would it be possible to put it in plain language?
ThankS
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DLL, you're not alone. I can't understand most of Marnie's posts either.
I would not be able to understand this stuff if I tried to research it. I need it put in easy to understand terms.
My reading comprehension is very poor!
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I'm better-
Haven't done anything differently than the rest of you guys- it takes years.
Plenty or mag and heat from before I could get good treatment, during treatment and continue post treatment.
IV failure- second round of co-infection testing turned up Bart and Rocky Mountain, not treated with rocephin.
Long term tetra for lyme and co-infections. Low carb diet, 2.5 years. Three months of diflucan, then NO carbs to address yeast and food sensitivites. Pulsing diflican. Also started drinking water without chlorine and flouride and reducing chemicals by eating organic as much as possible.
I take diflucan(1-2 days) whenever I have eaten too many carbs and my joints start to tighten.
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pleas edo not try this vacuum treatment at home.
there are not any licensed professionals that will do this procedure.
this was strickly a joke. if you vacuum the air out of a HBO chamber you get what people????
dead bodies, not a pretty picture. so don't try this at home.
thanks tony for explaining my bizarre sense of humor, i guess some people will try anything, even if it doesn't make sense.
i can fly my learjet over and meet you for lunch at the holiday inn at long boat key. bring a couple of hotties if you like. my wife is out of town for two weeks at a retreat to get away from me and my lyme.
Hey isn't that a sound: me and my lyme(shadow)
"Me And My Shadow" (feat. Jonathan Wilkes)
[spoken] [Robbie: (american accent)] Johnny and Robbie [Jonathon:] What you talking like that for, you're from Stoke! [Robbie:] I dunno but I can't stop here pally
Like the wallpaper sticks to the wall Like the seashore clings to the sea Like you'll never get rid of your shadow(LYME) You'll never get rid of me
Let all the others fight and fuss(LYMENET) Whatever happens, we've got us.
(Me and my shadow) We're closer than pages that stick in a book We're closer than ripples that flow in a brook (Strolling down the avenue) Wherever you find him(BB), you'll find me, just look(BUT DON'T RUN ANY TESTS) Closer than a miser or the bloodhounds to Liza
Me and my shadow We're closer than smog to all of L.A. We're closer than Ricky to confessing he's gay?? Not a soul can bust this team in two(ME & LYME) We stick together like glue
And when it's sleeping time(WITH LOTS OF PILLS) That's when we rise(VIAGRA NECESSARY) We start to swing Our clocks don't chime What a surprise They ring-a-ding-ding! Happy New Year!(MAYBE NEXT YEAR)
(Me and my shadow) And now to repeat what I said at the start They'll need a large crowbar to break us(LYME &ME) apart We're alone but far from blue(ANTIDEPRESSANT HELP THIS)
Before we get finished, we'll make the town roar We'll hit a few late spots, and then a few more We'll wind up at Stringy's and maybe grab show Life is gonna be we-wow-whee!(YEH RIGHT) For my shadow and me!
[spoken] [Jonathon:] Can we do that again [Robbie:] No, I'm too tired(WHAT A SURPRIZE) [Jonathon:] Please Rob [Robbie:] No, I'm swung out [Jonathon:] I'll give you some money(IF I HAD ANY LEFT) [Robbie:] I don't need money [Jonathon:] What about a cup of tea(YEH TINCUPS FORMULA) [Robbie:] Not thirsty(WITH 2 GALLONS A DAYOF COURSE NOT) [Jonathon:] I'll won't tell anyone you're gay. [Both Laugh](NO GAY BASHING,THERE WELCOME HERE TOO!)
Before we get finished, we'll make the town roar We'll hit all the late spots, and then a few more We'll wind up at Stringy's and maybe grab show Life is gonna be we-wow-whee! For my shadow and me!
THIS SONG SHOULD BE CONVERTED FOR LYME THEME SONG. docdave
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Since ya had to get serious Marnie,
OK if I'm on the correct coast...
where might I get this help!??
And hey Cavey...Seriously, I'm seriously sick and am seriously seeking some serious medicine seriously...
stymie tag your it!
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quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: ...Seriously, I'm seriously sick and am seriously seeking some serious medicine seriously...
I think Tony's been watching Gray's Anatomy a little too much.
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stymielymie
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lymetutu
i don't think i like you anymore. why don't you mush in our faces a little more.
what the heck is this tag your it stuff. am i the next to be cured hahaha!!!!! docdave
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Is anybody healthy on this site?????? Nope
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I think that I can safely say I am healthier and feeling better and more productive than at any other point in my life...that I can remember.
I am healthy in the sense that the remaining Lyme symptoms I still have are now weak and rare...and are getting weaker and rarer every month.
Gone is fatique, sleep disturbances, word searching, short-term memory problem, headaches, heart palpitations, heart stings, concentration problems, multitasking problems, dizzy spells, balancing issues, blurred vision, and depression.
My body temp is also pretty stable now. Typically it's in the lower 98's throughout the day. Early mornings it's in the upper 97's.
Just some background about my battle with Lyme:
I've had neurological Lyme symptoms for +25 years. It has affected me on and off to various degrees up until 2004 where I was finally officially diagnosed with Lyme disease. In 2004 I got reinfected or infected with a new strain, and possibly also with Babesia, which put my out of commision for about a year (I lost my job for one thing). In 2005, more than one year later, things started turning around for me.
I did take lots of oral antibiotics for about 1 1/2 year. In retrospect, they probably did help some in the sense that they took the brunt of the disease, but by no means did they get rid of it.
In late 2005 I started the Buhner protocol, which helped me further keep Bb in check.
IMO, and from everything I have heard on Lymenet and I have read, abx can NOT cure chronic Lyme disease by itself. Not even in combination with cyst busters and coinfection treatments. Nor can Buhner's protocol.
I would call abx a good start in the early treatment of Lyme disease. I would call Buhner's protocol a good protocol to transition to after abx. (I can't attest to using Buhner in the start of a treatment, cause I have not done that.)
Of much greater importance, however, is what you eat and drink and which supplements and herbs you take. Equally important is exercise and detox.
I address all of the above issues on a daily basis, and plan to do so for the rest of my life.
I take no abx, sleeping pills or any px drugs anymore, and have no done so for 1/2 year now.
I do not put anything in my body that doesn't have a purpose. I eat as little as possible of processed and refined foods.
Most recently I started fasting as a means to further detox my body and build mental strength.
Having said all this, I know I still have Lyme disease. I can sense it. And occasionally I get some spurious symptoms which I attribute more to dying Bb's than succesful replications.
I believe Bb is firmly embedded in my brain and elsewhere because I've had for such a long time. Correspondingly, due to Bb's craftiness, I also believe it'll take a very long time indeed to get fully rid of it.
That's why I've taken the jump to basically now living a comprehensive Bb-hostile life. I know what Bb doesn't like. Ironically, it turns out, most of these things that Bb don't like, I do like, such as running, hottubs, sauna, ginger/sage teas, cayenne, organic goat dairy products, salad, fruit, seeds, nuts, veggies, raw honey, etc.
I have tremendous respect for Bb. I consider it my worst enemy, and I'll fight it by any natural means I possibly can.
Btw, I think that there are many people with chronic Lyme who are now considering themselves healthy. I'm guessing the reason you don't hear from them is that they have left the site to return to their normal lives.
Michael
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When I am in remission or just feeling better I'm usually in the jazz sites on paltalk. When I am well, I like to think in terms of wellness and not talk disease. My prayer is that one day we will have no need for a site like this!!
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thanks!
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Hey stymie...no can do...I'll supply the martoonies but MY wife ISN'T up north....LOL
TUTU...I used to watch Erin Grey's anatomy when she was on "flash gordon" the tv series...
But I have'nt watched one episode of the gray's anatomy on tv yet... I think it's opposite something else I watch...
I don't know about the tag thing either...AliG started it...but it seemed like the natural thing to do........
So what happened to Marnie???
Hey Marnie...you can't just run in here and dump all that technical stuff on us and tell me I'm close to someplace to be cured and then just walk away...
I mean heck...this is a serious post no matter what that cave dweller thinks!!!
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I am well, 100% on most days but still herx slightly after my monthly rife treatment.
Although my health has improved, my outlook on life has had the greatest improvement.
I hope and pray you all get to this point.
All My Best, Scott
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quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: TUTU...I used to watch Erin Grey's anatomy when she was on "flash gordon" the tv series...
But I have'nt watched one episode of the gray's anatomy on tv yet...
oh...they're always saying "SERIOUSLY?"
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TUTU....OH....
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stymielymie
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this really turned out to be a wery eduatonal post.
i think youse all making funn of me and my new friend tony.
tag tutu's it docdave
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I'm posting to up this so Marnie might come back and give us straight info.
Is there a post where she lays out a good protocol or is it always those brain-twisting questions? Since her brain isn't Lyme-addled and she can figure all of that stuff out, it would be nice to just have all of her recommendations in one post to refer to.
It really seems like cruel and unusual punishment to make sick folks figure out complicated medical info that even healthy people would have a hard time understanding...
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OK you guys..... Please don't kill the messenger if I get this wrong. Just trying to help....
I have had lots of "conversations" with Marnie, since I am in need of non-Abx help, and I think I can explain a small part of what she said. If I get it wrong, hopefully, she will come and correct me.
Take the following together 6 times daily: (Amts. are approximate)
For taking these so many times: They are quickly used and/or dumped by Bb, so you must keep replenishing them.
For taking Mg: Bb needs the PFK enzyme to replicate and Mg blocks it, so Bb dumps Mg in your urine. Proper function of many body systems depend on Mg, esp. cardiac and metabolic, so it must be replaced. Continually taking Mg helps it block replication of Bb.
For taking so much B Complex: We need B6 to help heal Bb damaged nerves, and choline and inositol to make up for what Lyme's use of acetylcholine does to our memories and mental functioning. Since individual B's do not work well when taken alone, take the whole complex.
For taking lecithin: Bb uses Cholesterol as a food source and Lecithin will bind to it and carry it away.
I followed this for two months once. It made me feel much calmer, and lowered my high blood pressure a little bit.
I found it impossible to remember to take them 6 times, and cut down to 3 times per day. I also lowered the B Complex dose quite a bit, since I seemed to be peeing most of it out.
I don't feel as calm as when I did it her way, but my Lyme rages are almost a thing of the past, and that is a very big deal for me. I consider Mg to be my most important supplement, followed by D-Ribose for energy.
I can't explain any of the other things in her post, but I hope this helps a little, and I hope I got most of it right.
Klutzo
P.S. Marnie - I see you were posting at the exact same time I was. I would still like to know what the 4 pathways are.... I can look into the "how" msyelf once I know what they are. I think some other posters here would be receptive also. Ignore the blasters. They aren't worth your attention,and anyone who does as much work on this as you've done deserves respect, even from those who disagree.
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Marnie
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I posted what I would do IF I had lyme (which I do NOT...my SISTER does)
and got blasted.
That was several months ago.
Hey, guys, 5 years ago, when I logged onto this board, I didn't even know what LLMD stood for and was too embarrased to ask.
I had to do a LOT of reading and a lot of searching until I BEGAN to understand what was happening. I had to look up a LOT of "definitions"!
I wanted to know WHY antibiotics were failing my sister.
The neurotransmitters, the immune system...talk about complex!!! Sooooooo much to learn.
I have PM'd a few who are "open" to exploring different paths and have spelled them out. So far there appears to be 4 different paths to healing though each works in a different way.
But...in order to BELIEVE they might work, one needs to see HOW it is possible.
If I was on a bridge over a river with a group of friends and someone told me to jump off...
I'd look down and evaluate the distance. I'd wonder how deep the water was, how cold it was, if there were rocks hidden below, how fast the current was BEFORE I WOULD JUMP.
Then, likely, I'd watch someone else jump first. I'd have to see that he/she emerged safe, happy, and alive.
Which is WHY...when someone reports here that something helps(Cat's Claw, d-ribose, Ginkgo, coconut oil...whatever), I start researching to figure out HOW it is working and if there is any danger to it.
Slowly...slowly...the puzzle pieces began to fall into place.
You CAN get well, but must be willing to learn and to think "outside the box". Stay open minded.
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Sandy, I have found Nattokinase to be a good heparin substitute as well. I take so much krill oil, and cod liver oil now, that I have dropped it, since I also don't want blood that is too thin. My fibrinogen level has been good for awhile now. I did take Natto for a whole year though.
Chlorella is the best detox I've tried, but I found I cannot handle enough of it to do much good unless I take a digestive enzyme with each dose. That really helps with the cramps, gas, and pain it can cause, even with a broken cell wall. I hope you won't have that problem, but if you do, try enzymes.
Chlorella has lowered my herx pain, so that I've been able to double my dosage of herbs and get closer to being able to take the recommended dosage.
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But Marnie......
quote:Think "outside" the box.
Tony...Doc's on the wrong coast, but you are not. Help is nearby...and it works.
Ask Greg if he shows up again. He is well now and only pops in once in awhile.
Or...follow Kent's lead...faithfully.
This too, shall work.
I am NOT kidding.
What's THAT all about?
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Word of warning about the natto. It causes gas and bloating for some people [ME!]. I think it's because of the soy. I don't get along well with soy.
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quote:Originally posted by stymielymie: tag tutu's it docdave
Back atcha!
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TUTU....FOUL FOUL FOUL....
You should no better!!!!
You can't tag the person that just tagged you IT!
Ya gotta Pick someone else!
Play fair or I'll have to put you in the timeout chair......
zman
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Thanks marnie & klutzo for making it easier to understand.
I have a stupid question: If BB needs these things-B complex & mag,ect.. -and if we give it to them are we feeding them?
I sometimes take B6 & mag combo to help me to sleep. If you take it 3XD soes it make you sleepie?
I have read some LLMD's say not to take B-complex & some say do. It can get confusing
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quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: Play fair or I'll have to put you in the timeout chair......
zman
OH NO! NOT the timeout chair!!
Tony, you're now IT!
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marnie: i am willing to try anything at this pooint that isn't abx.
i am pretty sure i am develping abx resistance with bb and maybe babs.
after 2months claforan, 2months vantin, 3 months biaxin xl, i developed MRSA a abx resistant staph aureus. doc put me on batrim and i herxed for a solid two weeks.
so the answer is not abx. there has to be a way to block the rna segment from attaching to the end of the rna in cells.
you may be more on the right track, then high doses of abx.
my research is about bb going into dormant stages and its similarity to many viruses. the big difference seem to be the lack of antibody formation, as opposed to viruses.
if we could somehow tag the bb with a material, ie. genetically altered virus,ecoli of something inert. this would allow the immune system to see the bb and remove it.
most of the chronic lymies problem is the bb are stealth in all forms and hide from the t cells, so they can run rabid and multiply.
i think this is one of the reason we don't get positive tests. if we could get our immune system to recognize bb then small amounts of antibodies could be formed enough to show a positive IGG and Igm
this would help greatly in the diagnosis and adequate treatment of bb. it would also help with the long term progress of treatment.
what you think marnie. you majored in microbiology right??? i know it can be done. i talked to a researcher MD at hopkins doing genetic research. they tried my idea for using inert viruses and bacteria to deliver gene therapy. they have started clinical trials using this method of administartion of gene therapy.
so I will either get a nobel prize or lots of lawsuits. lol
i will try to fairly evaluate you information and will repost as soon as my mind can absorb it.
and tony: marco
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Herbs and alternative choices helped me along the way in my 20 year life with lyme, but didn't get me into remission.
Got all my metal in my teeth out 1989 ...tried: detox-yogi-swimming-good foods-herbs-vitamins-you name it and I probably have tried it. Rife's been helping but thus far but hasn't been as effective as abx.
The thing that I have done over the years in combination with tx is good suppluments,good foods,living a healthy lifestyle and keeping a positive attitude.
Am I cured? -no Am I healthy? -define healthy Am I in remission? - partical & I'll take it Do I regrete taking abx & meds for the co-infections? a big NO
ABX has saved my life literally- many times.
This is my personal story. Not meant to take away any other person's personal choices to their journey to wellness.
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TUTU....I knew you were gonna do that!
But you did'nt do it right...you should have said "tag you're it" so it's off to the "time out chair" for you my dear! LOL
Carol....Tag...you're it! You Two figure it out!
And as for you stymie! I HATE THAT GAME!
Especially in the pool when all I want to do is sip my martini and soak up the sun! So....
I'm NOT going to play that one!
zman
-------------------- I am not a doctor...opinions expressed are from personal experiences only and should never be viewed as coming from a healthcare provider. zman Posts: 2527 | From safety harbor florida(origin Cleve., Ohio | Registered: Jan 2004
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Herbs and alternative choices helped me along the way in my 20 year life with lyme, but didn't get me into remission. 
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