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I have been diagnosed with Lyme disease and my doctor is telling me that I have had it for 25-30 years. The Dr is adament that treatment with high doses of antibiotics is the only successful treatment. Is this the only option out there? I am really concerned about taking long term antibiotics because of the risks involved.
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Your Dr is right. Abx are the only PROVEN way to get lyme under control. This has been proven in animal studies and in humans. The duration that is required is however very dependant on the induviduals condition. If you are lucky a few weeks of treatment will do it. If you are not so lucky, you might fall into the 5% that have refractory disease and very long term treatment may be needed.
There are risks but with care the risks can be minimal. You will have to ask yourself if you want to risk the drugs or risk further decline.
Good luck with what every route you choose.
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I thought that some people got better using herbs/tinctures and salt/c. It doesn't work for everyone, but some have found good success with it, so I've heard.
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Hi Bogi
No real reason to be scaired of ABX-- there is a reason to be scaired of Lyme-
The side effects of ABX are Nothing compaired to being sick--
I had Lyme 20 yrs before I figured out what was wrong with me--
Now after 30 months of treatment I am feeling perty good---
Proper treatment will make you sicker for awhile but its worth it--Jay--
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Hi, Bogi -
And I understand that jumping into long-term antibiotic treatment is not something you want to do without careful consideration.
I disagree with what some of what Dave said. If you have had Lyme for 20-25 years, it would be a miracle if ``a few weeks of treatment'' make you feel well. On a Lyme conference DVD that I viewed recently, the shortest, effective antibiotic treatment period observed by the LLMDs at the conference was 8 months, with the average being about 18 months.
And a lot depends on what co-infections you have along with Lyme.
This website has a pretty good search feature, and you might try searching some of the words below.
Some specific antibiotic protocols are the Marshall Protocol and the Schart protocol.
Some of the common alternative treatments are the Cowden protocol, Harold Buhner protocol, Rife machines (or microcurrent devices), homeopathic remedies, other herbal treatments such as those practiced by Dr. Zang, the salt/Vitamin C protocol, to name but a few.
Most of the people I've noted on this board who got well used a combination of antibiotics/ drugs and alternative methods, together with general lifestyle changes. So, it would appear that with the exception of a very few, no one single thing is likely to bring you to wellness.
I think the best thing you can do for yourself is read and learn as much as you can about Lyme and the common co-infections, and what others have done that worked for them. And most of that information can be found right here at LymeNet.
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I have had LD for probably 40 years. I have been on abx for 2 years. I do feel alot better, but as soon as I go off my abx for a week or so my symptoms come right back. I would fight tooth & nail to keep myself on abx for as long as it takes.
My sister has been on abx for five years now and she wouldn't be where she is today without them!
BTW - Chemotherapy has VERY HARMFUL side effects. Long term abx isn't so bad, you get yeast and you have to stay on a strict diet, take lots of supplements. But it isn't as bad as some doctors may have you think it is.
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Get a copy ( amazon) of Stephen Buhner's book "Healing Lyme" .
There are people who get well on ABX and others who DO NOT .
There are also some alternative treatments that have had some success with members ( real people) who post here . Most of them are using Buhner's protocol and frequently stste that a plant med called andrographis made a big difference for them.
MANY people combine botanical meds with ABX drugs.
Others here swear by rife machines with drugs or botanical meds.
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Quite a bit of info on non-ABX treatment options on my web site as well. That said, I do use them as part of my program.
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It is NOT true that ONLY abx will get you well. And certainly not short term, IF you have had Lyme for more than a few weeks.
I had some bouts with abx, and relapsed the first time and the second stint just made me sicker. So I have been on herbs, mostly Stephen Buhner's protocols, for over a year now. I would be dead or very close to it without them.
I don't post here much anymore as I am pretty busy these days making up for lost time when I was down and out with the disease.
I am 65 yeasrs old, so age is against me also. The abx also killed my stomach. And ONLY C-Salts from nutri.com cured my stomach. These C-Salts are a trade name and NOT to be confused with the Salt/C protocol. There is NO salt in C-Salts. Check it out online, or in Stephen Buhner's book Healing Lyme, Naturally.
About 95% of the people taking abx respond to them. However, about 35% of that 95% relapse. Some NEVER recover on abx. THAT is where the alternatives come in. Especially a GOOD herbal protocol, such as you will find in the Healing Lyme book. I take MUCH more than just the core protocol. And have had tremendous results. Check with JWF on this site also for HIS and his wife's esperience with herbs. They are not the same totally as Buhner's recommendations, but seems to have worked for them.
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Jim Bob, There are others here who agree with you, and say that they made significant improvement on alternatives ( rather than ABX ) .
Personally, my insurance will not cover lyme treatment , and I am not confident that I could tolerate massive doses of ABX longterm. I would be constantly nauseous .
I have pulsed ABX every other day , but have to stop due to yeast problems. I REALLY appreciate everything you have shared and hope you will not forget to come back and encourage those of us stuck in lyme HELL .
I have read Buhner's book and plan to try his core protocol after reading that some folks have had good results . The andrographis has been mentioned several times as an effective botanical for lyme by other members.
We need your input and welcome your experience , Jim Bob.
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Betty, That only tells me bogi has not responded WHICH WOULD BE ODD if someone was trying to cause an argument amoung responders.
Please let the moderators deal with this type of issue, they have far more details avialable about the origin of the messages and the author of those messages than anyone here.
They are also quite able and willing to cancel any accounts that are bogus and probamatic as has been proven in the past, time and again.
In this regard, there was a long and detailed thread about some being kicked off medhelp.org for mentioning Lyme multiple times.
There where MANY negative comments relating to how the people on medhelp.org are closed minded and only wanted to hear their own opinion at the exclusion of all others with the result that people asking for help where not given the whole story, to there disservice.
It appears that while not getting kicked off lymenet, worse occurs here where with a SINGLE valid QUESTION the person is burned on a cross of righteousness instead. I wonder what those people say about Lymenet and the people on it??????????? ?????????
Long standing forum members here should practice what they preach and not have to depend on the moderators to have to DELETE their posts due to their offensive nature.
If I was in this situation I would not bother to answer pubically either after such verbal attacks.
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Now back the subject at hand.
I am not trying to cause an argument here, rather I am trying to obtain some clarity to the aggregate answer to the question.
My understsanding of the question is "Do you have to take abx to get better". It is not "will you get better with abx". There is a big difference.
Every single person that I know that has confirmed lyme has ALWAYS been given a prescription for ABX to start with. You may not get totally better with it and you may relapse but to my knowledge everyone always starts with it if they are under the care of a medical Dr.
If this is infact the case It would seem to me that there is a reason for this. Supliments are widely used by some of these same Dr's either along with the ABX or as a symtomatic treatment later on(sometimes to good effect) but this does not mean that supliments alone nor leaving the infection to run its course will result in a cure.
If I am incorrect in my understanding of standards of treatment for CONFIRMED lyme (ie not self diagnosed Lyme) someone please enlighten me but as I said, I believe that all start out with ABX due to necessity as the intial treatment and suppliments are sometimes used as an adjunct, not as a replacement treatment.
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David, I am probably a very rare exception, but by the time my Lyme dx was confirmed after 2 misdiagnoses, my immune system had been dysregulated to the point that I was, and still am, allergic to all ABX excepting the fluroquinolones, which do not kill Bb.
My allergies have been confirmed by testing with an allergist, and are not just herxes. So, I have never had any ABX that work against Bb.
During the course of 21 yrs. of illness, I have had Cipro twice, once for a suspected UTI, and once for a sinus infection, never long term.
I continue to go slowly downhill,losing more and more of my independence, despite herbal and supplemental treatments. The main problems which are getting worse are DDD of both the lumbar and cervical spine, and heart damage.
However, I have never been able to tolerate full treatment level doses of the herbals, and can't take some of the best herbs at all due to high blood pressure or allergies to the herbs. Also, many alternative tx that might help me are totally out of my price range.
However, in spite of that, I am in much better shape than many who post here who have had years of ABX, in terms of some of the things I can still do, like low impact aerobic exercise 6 days per week, for example.
I guess this just proves once again how we are all different.
Happy (and healthy) New Year, Klutzo
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Sorry to hear of your situation.
Has anyone suggested to try to build up tolerance to selected antibiotic agents. This technique is used with some diseases where only one antibiotic is known to counter the infection and the person has an allergic reaction to it.
It is apparently a multi week process where the dosage is increased gradually. I think this is used with the beta lactams with some sucess.
On the plus side, If you have not had any antibiotic before the bacteria may be exquisitly sensitive to them and might be able to help quite a lot. It might be worth investigating to arrest the decline.
Sorry I don't know where you where infected, but if it was in the southern states and the long term affect has been heart centric, you might check if you have ever been tested for Chagas (t. Cruzi) a protozoa that in the long term creates both GI and progressive heart problems (to the point of failure). I mention this even though is is very rate because it is still possible if you are in the risk area (CDC reports several documented cases in texas). It would not however account for the cervical degeneration you mentioned.
The above are just a couple of thoughts.
I will adjust my memory to remember your situation. Thank you for the insight into a differnt first person account of the manifestation of the diease and its treatment.
Would you mind posting a list of what you are taking that seems to help. I am sure others like myself would be interested.
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Hi David,
It's funny you should mention desensitization to ABX. My PCP brought this idea up recently, regarding my inability to have the radiofrequency ablation procedure that would fix my worst heart problem. I can't have it done, due to the fact that no surgeon will touch me when I can't take ABX for my leaking mitral valve, not even with a release drawn up by a lawyer.
I have already had two attempts at desensitization of my other allergies (I have become "allergic to everything"). Both went on for many months, and both failed.
I am so allergic that I could never get further than 1/4 of an effective dose without having a systemic reaction requiring cortisone (adrenaline is too dangerous for my heart).
After the third systemic reaction during the second set of desensitization attempts, despite a careful, slow build-up in the dosage, I gave up and so did the allergist. I do not want to risk this again for obvious reasons, ie. cortisone and Lyme do not mix. Also, having your lips swell and your throat and chest close up is no fun.
I have told my Cardiologist that I would rather die than continue to live this way, and begged for the procedure. No dice. So, I continue on medication that is only partly effective, and makes my legs swell up like throbbing sausages.
I am not very good at accepting my limitations, due to my having been brought up to believe that people who do not produce as much as they consume should be put to death.
Needless to say, this is an unfortunate background to have when one is disabled from Lyme! If I get desperate enough to seriously consider suicide, then I may try desensitization again. Mostly, I have had it with suffering on purpose. The unintentional stuff is bad enough, and I have zero emotional resilience left.
I am orginally from Wisconsin, and do not know if I was bitten there or in Florida. I had all sorts of minor problems that kept building up, and it was intractable pollen allergies that caused the move to Florida. As far as that rare illness you mention,I've not been tested for it. I did visit Texas for a short trip in 1980, but that is the only time I've ever been there.
The illness did not hit me until 6 years after I moved here, following a car accident with a head injury so serious that I was declared dead at the scene. Sx appearing after this were misdiagnosed as MS.
The acute illness actually started just as I was recovering from a cold, and was diagnosed as Fibromyalgia. It took a lot of stuff, one right after the other, to knock me out of the game!
I did not see an EM rash until I was into my third year of herbal tx. Then I had 3 EM rashes in the same spot within a 4 month period. One of the rashes was seen and confirmed by my PCP.
I have tried just about every herbal and supplemental tx out there, including one formula that put me in the ER with gallbladder distress and a dangerously high potassium level.
The one that made me sick is Monastery of Herbs Lyme Sets #173, prescribed by my former holistic doctor. I argued with him about taking it, since I knew it included chaparral which is a dangerous herb, but he insisted it would cure me, so I tried it.
It could have "cured" me permanently. Chaparral can cause liver failure, so I strongly advise against using it. Another herb to avoid is pokeweed, though it is used for cancer, not Lyme, so I offer this by way of general info.
The ER doc saw my lab results and immediately asked if I was taking herbal supplements. When I said, yes I had, and why did he ask, he told me that since they had become popular, he'd seen many people who had dangerously high potassium levels from them, and he told me that high potassium can cause fatal heart arrhythmias.
The treatment I had to have for the high potassium was not fun at all. I have been erring on the side of caution ever since, regarding my herb dosages.
I have also done the Zhang Protocol, except for Circulation P, which raised my blood pressure and Cordyceps, which I was allergic to.
I've done most of the herbs on the Buhner Protocol, but I could not tolerate Andrographis as it raised my blood pressure, so I can't really say I've done Buhner, since that is the main herb on the protocol.
The only herbs or supplements that ever made me herx are Samento and Cumanda aka The Cowden Protocol. After 3+ yrs. of herbal tx, I no longer herx on Cumanda, but Samento still causes unbearable herxing on only 1/2 of the usual effective dose.
However, just like I hear from many patients taking long term ABX, when I stop the herbs, I feel much better at first, and then the symptoms come back again. Samento and freeze-dried garlic are the only ones I have taken to try to kill Bb recently, and I am taking a break right now, since I am sick of herxing from Samento.
Before you ask, yes, I do detox with chlorella and a gallon of lemon water per day. Some alternative detox pocedures that are considered essential by many are out of my price range, like amalgam removal.
As far as other supps. that help me personally, I would rank the helpful ones as follows: 1. Digestive enzymes 2. Magnesium Citrate 3. D-Ribose 4. B Complex 5. Taurine
There are other supps. that I take on faith, though I don't feel any different on them, like COQ10 and Resveratrol, for example.
I hope this answers your questions. Klutzo
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Your post brought tears to my eyes. I can read between the lines, although just reading your actual words one gets the sense of your incredible
struggle. Sounds as if you have tried "everything" with results either being ineffective or you becoming much more ill.
Amazingly frustrating to say the least.
One thing you didn't mention but probably have experience with is total body cleansing. I am at the point where I am considerig this type of
detox from all types of things lurking in my body, having been there for many years, including meds which have reeked havoc on my immune system.
While looking for the best detox system available, I came upon Enuvia. It is a three month cleanse, beginning with a 30 day cleanse of
the colon, followed by a 30 day cleanse of the liver, and finishing with a 30 day cleanse of the kidneys. The website suggests that 2 cycles of
this 90 day cleanse is probably necessary. I don't have the website URL but if you might be interested you can Google it. The herbal ingredients are listed for each cleanse on the site.
I have such a high bacterial and protozoan load that I have wondered if the ABX I would need to lower it would end up being toxic to my organs.
I am currently not on any ABX because my LLMD cannot prescribe them. Believing that there is a "reason" for most things, I have wondered if
I am meant to forego the ABX for now and just try to cleanse my body of built-up toxins. I did read where sensitivities to many things are actually the body telling us that we are too toxic
to introduce anything new to it. I may be reaching rather far here but thought I would just mention this and also tell you that I hope you
will continue to chime in here on the Net and tell your story. It is not a pretty picture but it does speak to your fortitude and not giving up
in the face of so many roadblocks. While your struggle is unique to you, I hope you will hear me when I say, in all honesty, that your pain is
our pain........your suffering is our suffering. People here will read your posts and will be touched in myriad ways. Thank you for all your sharing. Please keep it up!
Janet
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even if this conversation was instigated by a troll--or not
it is a good one to continue, with civility, as has been done here (o.k. i did not read the last few posts but so far seems good...)
having one of those New Years eve moments...
all of us with lyme, taking abx, doing only alternatives, both, or nothing (me right now with strange abdominal pain!) need to stick together and also dialogue, and maybe even NOT understand each others views at times, but talk, and hold each others hands as we wade through this mess
so lets keep talking about all the tx methods, maybe there will be a time for a separate forum but maybe it is not now, and yes I've been guilty of eye rolling at times re: tx methods, i have to admit, but my goal this year is to have an open heart for all of us, for we truly need that from each other
cuz i'm not sure we can count on it elsewhee!
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Dear Janet,
Thank you for your kind words and for the info on Enuvia. I will check it out. I have done cleanses before, but it has been a long time ago, so it may be useful to me. I hope the cleansing proves helpful to you.
I am seeing a TCM doctor this week about my heart, and they may suggest some things like that....I don't know yet quite what to expect, though I do recognize from my Naturopathic studies that I have excess heart fire and a deficiency of heart yin. I have no idea what the TCM tx will be for that though.
Have you had HLA DR4 genetic tests? Some LLMD's use these to tell if you have genes that make it much harder for you to excrete toxins. They believe that is the difference between people who can recover and people who will need lifetime tx. They are expensive, but can give you an idea of how agressive your tx needs to be.
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Dear JIF,
I agree with what you said. For example, there is one particular protocol which I think is horribly dangerous, moreso than Lyme itself, but I bite my tongue and count to ten when I see posts about it.
I have no right to tell others how to deal with this horrible illness, since I do not like it when they insist I must do something I consider to be insane, like the person who told me I must find a doctor to give me massive steroids along with the ABX, so I can take them without reacting,and then do that for the rest of my life with no breaks. She told me: "You will die if you do not do this". How would that make you feel?
I try to think how I would feel if what I am posting was directed at me, and edit accordingly. I also try to stay off the Board when I am having Lyme rages.
Happy and HEALTHY 2007 to all Klutzo
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bogi, i owe you my heart-felt apology; so please forgive me for jumping the gun on you since you have not come back online here to post!
so please come back out of hiding and post publicly. we all have our lyme moments here, and i had mine. peace!
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Antibiotics are not the only way to get better, however, they can help if used correctly.
Do a lot of research and you will find plenty of alternatives to help you on your path to recovery. In my opinion and also my experience (I am 100% well on most days), you need to use many different treatments to beat lyme and co-infections. Also, DETOX is just as important as killing!
All My Best, Scott
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I know of a few people who have not and will not use any abx, only herbs and other suppliments.
However, that is not the "norm" for this system. Since we are run by the drug companies and the insurance companies and the government. You can forget "freedom" for the most part. It is understandable that MOST who contract Lyme, TRY to get rid of it with abx, because that is all that MOST medical doctors in this country are trained in. They are educated that anything else is inferior. Whether it is or not.
But there are some FREE thinkers out here, who are trying superior things to abx. Things with less side effects. Things that DO work. Don't get me wrong. Abx do work, for SOME people. Especially for those who have just been bit recently. For some people they never work. And for some people like Klutzo, they are very detrimental to their very existence.
I don't believe anyone really believes you can let it take its course and be cured. I have yet to see THAT happen. We MUST do something. WHAT is the question. For some of us, all we can do at best, is to try to co-exist with the Spirochetes.
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klutzo, how about the gerson therapy--something to detoxify your body?
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You know, it really IS nice to be able to discuss all kinds of alternative treatments on the board here without being hassled or called into question.
And if not for the medical community and our lovely government, I am convinced that we would have many more options to choose from.
I can't help but think about the unique alternative treatment used by former U.S. Congressman Berkley Bedell, who had to leave Congress after contracting Lyme Disease. The treatment he used put Congressman Bedell's Lyme into remission, but we don't know the final story because the person supplying this treatment was mercilessly prosecuted.
Here is the link to Congressman Bedell's speech where he talks about this treatment, if anyone here hasn't seen it. http://www.nfam.org/berkley.html
Apparently, there is a group of ladies up in Canada (or maybe North Dakota?) who are using a very similar treatment for their MS. But they refuse to give much information because of fear of persecution.
That is what we have come to in this county: We are only allowed to have conventional supplements so that we don't accidentally cure ourselves of something and rob some medical doctor or pharmaceutical company of their fair share from our illness.
Grrr. Sorry. Not sure where this is coming from right now, or why.
Anyway.... this has been a helpful discussion.
That was gracious of you to offer a genuine apology, Betty.
Nice to see you, JimBob. I was wondering about you. And I am taking the C-salts, also. Just getting started on them, though.
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A lot of interest has been in salt but I feel purified Seawater may be of more benefit. See [URL=http://www.originalquinton.com and www.ocean-water.com for various articles on this old therapy
"Biological Transmutation", 1972, Swan House Publishing Co., Binghamton, NY.
According to French chemist C. Louis Kervran of the Conseil d'Hygi�ne in Paris, seawater contains far too little calcium to account for the rapid production of a shell (the calcium content of sea water is about 0.042% and a crab can form a new shell in little more than one day). If the entire body of a crab is analyzed for calcium, it is found to contain only enough calcium to produce 3% of the shell (even taking into account the calcium carbonate stored in the hepato-pancreas just before molting).
Even in water completely devoid of calcium, shellfish can still create their calcium bearing shells as shown by an experiment performed at the Maritime Laboratory of Roscoff: "A crayfish was put in a sea water basin from which calcium carbonate had been removed by precipitation; the animal made its shell anyway." (Kervran 1972, p.58)
One of Carrel's experiments in tissue culture became the subject of a sensationalized news story and was viewed as a monstrosity by the public. In 1912, Carrel took tissue from the heart of a chicken embryo to demonstrate that warm-blooded cells could be kept alive in the lab. This tissue, which was inaccurately depicted as a growing, throbbing chicken heart by some newspapers, was kept alive for thirty-four years -- outliving Carrel himself -- before it was deliberately terminated.
The founder of the Society of Neo-Hematology says: (http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/transmutation3.htm)
"It is generally believed that modern sciences, especially biological and medical sciences have attained to the marvelously advanced state. But we must not overlook the contradiction between the modern medical sciences and diseases. That is to say, the more medical sciences advances, the more patients suffering from incurable chronic diseases such as cancer, heart diseases, apoplexy and so on increase in number.
This suggests that modern Occidental medicine probably has some defects IN its principles. According to my opinion, those defects may be attributed to the following two reasons; one is the inadequate thinking of life, that is formal logic, mechanism and materialism are taken. And another is the misunderstanding about blood, especially the origin and function of the red blood corpuscles."
Biological transmutation seems to be not only possible, it is a fact. How do we know that? Think about it - plants do it all the time! A German biologist named von Herzeele conducted several hundred experiments in his Berlin laboratory and, despite the vehement opposition of orthodox Science, was able to document abundant proof that transmutation is a fact. Other very eloquent scientists have also contributed to the exploration of the subject of transmutation and we show some of that material here.
For several years now, we, at Ocean Plasma, have explored the lives of people who, according to written accounts, have `lived on air'. Some are historical Breatharians and others, like Dr. Barbara Moore, Jasmuheen and Hira Ratan Manek are contemporaries.
There is also mounting evidence that biological transmutation is a fact - not only for plants but for humans as well. Kervran, often referred to in Christopher Bird's excellent book "The Secret Life of Plants", has done much to prove that plants have no trouble transmuting one element into another. If you look at the molecule of chlorophyll and that of hemoglobin, then you will see readily why the blood of plants (chlorophyll) is practically identical to human blood, with only one major difference - the nucleus. In plants it is magnesium and in humans it is iron. Is it really such an enormous stretch of an imagination to conclude that humans transmute chlorophyll into hemoglobin - practically instantly? And why is it that one can remove ALL the blood in an alley dog's body, fill it with diluted seawater and observe a healed, peppy, healthy dog just hours afterwards?
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Source: Survival into the 21st Century by Viktoras Kulvinskas - 1975
Now, let's come to the point... and this page was, after all, prompted by a very intelligent question asked by Dianne Thompson, an astute health researcher, artist and wonderful human being: "My brother brought up a question about Ocean Plasma used as a blood transfusion substitute that I figured I'd better ask about. I know in the dog trials they did an almost complete replacement, but what about red blood cells? When would whole blood products be used as opposed to blood plasma, and how much Ocean Plasma could be safely used in transfusion overall? I know human trials haven't been done, but you must have some idea."
It is more than evident, we think, that science in general and medical science (?) in particular know precious little about the ability of Nature to transmute elements. Some of the above references support this observation and others will be added here to illustrate why Ocean Water such as Ocean Plasma (diluted to isotonicity of course) can indeed be a potent and efficacious blood replacement.
We have to remember that Ocean Water is a conglomerate of many salts and elements that play a crucial role in the formation of blood. We have seen above that chlorophyll has a striking resemblance to hemoglobin and that in essence the only difference is essence of the centering nucleus. The human body transmutes magnesium into iron and, voil�, we have hemoglobin. Why would Ocean Water, with its rich magnesium content, not be able to at least trigger the formation of new blood via transmutation (biological fission)?
Ren� Quinton, in his book "L'eau de mer - milieu organique" (1904) - during his famous dog experiments that were successfully repeated some 60 years later), made painstaking measurements and performed exhaustive tests on:
a) Red blood cells count b) White blood cell count c) Hemoglobin d) Temperature e) Urine elimination f) Weight
The blood tests were also run post-operatively and proved beyond a measure of doubt that the "organism's" (dog) red blood cell count, despite the fact that ALL blood had been drained from its body, regenerated to half of normal counts by the second day after the procedure, and to just about normal blood counts by day 4. The dog lived happily for another five years thereafter.
We need to remember that not only are the factors of osmosis, diffusion and filtration responsible for the transfer of substances in the body to maintain the dynamic equilibrium of life (homeostasis) but that there must also be transfers of life force, of potential, of vitality from the seawater to the organism. Transmutation of seawater into blood is a certainty but the mechanisms are elusive to science as yet. And since scientists cannot explain the process, they deny its very existence.
Parallel and alternative studies have proven to the author that other factors are operative here, such as that of temperature reactions. Ren� Quinton compared on pages 179-180 of his above-named book the 'organism's' reaction to isotonic seawater and to physiological serum (saline solution). The former provoked a lowering (normalization) of temperature while the latter invoked a raising of body temperature, i.e. a mild fever. Elsewhere in this web site we show other documentation (de Lauture, Rodet) relating to the fundamental differences between seawater and saline solution.
The sun's energy (not necessarily its visible rays) seem to also have the ability to 'energize' and to literally sustain life. Numerous breatharians, heavily studied by Science, provide abundant proof that life, as we know it, is not derived by food or other substances taken INTO the body. To argue Ocean Water's ability to allow red blood cells to appear where there were none before, and in record time, seems to indicate that the bone marrow may not be the only place where blood is 'manufactured'. Prof. Kikuo Chisima (see above) seems to think that red blood cells derive from the villi in the intestinal tract.
Be this as it may, we would be extremely pleased if it could be proven that Ocean Water (isotonic) has the ability to create at least a favorable environment suitable and fertile for the rapid formation of healthy and vibrant blood in humans following a 'transfusion' with this life-giving and life-sustaining serum. We believe that Ocean Plasma is eminently suitable to do this and we are receptive to any serious exploration in this direction.
The following SIMPLIFIED approach seems logical and feasible but we would love to see it expanded into a serious professional proposal, prepared by a hematologist or qualified medical person.
Field trials:
A)The approach we would take is to do some heavy testing using Ocean Water in the form of an enema (colonics using only isotonic seawater).
B) Then we would remove one (1) liter of blood, dilute it with one tenth of a liter (100 ml) of Ocean Plasma (isotonic seawater) and re- introduce this mixture into the same body. This can then be increased until the ratio of blood vs. Ocean Plasma is 1:1 using different patients.
C) We would then add one tenth of a liter (100 ml) of Ocean Plasma (isotonic seawater) into a willing "organism". No blood would be added.
D) If all of the above was successful, we would proceed to introduce one (1) liter of isotonic ocean Plasma into several willing or needy subjects and document the results.
The result could be an acceptable, even preferable, blood replacement method that would find much favor throughout the world, especially those who either cannot afford whole blood or who are reluctant to use it for religious reasons or because it is suspected to be contaminated.
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tracy, thank you for posting berkley bedell's speech; he's from iowa, and i'd never read that; so very touching!!
didn't know he established an ALTERNATIVE THERAPY OFFICE IN NIH EITHER!
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I rather resent the snide remark from JimBob, about "Freethinkers"..and the ABX route.
I think anyone who is reading this website day after day, trying to learn what is best to help their loved ones, or themselves, is thinking very clearly.
If ABX aren't the way you want to go, Jimbob...that is your choice. Please don't belittle those who choose ABX, and are seeing improvement.
I have read many good things on this website, and the cpn website, that show that ABX do help many people. To each their own.
Thanks and best wishes to you.
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You are welcome Betty - wish we had more like Congressman Bedell around.
Cave, you said: ``Looked at another way----there ARE some valid reasons for those regulations; not the least of which is to save some people from themselves. ''
Thanks for clearing that up, Cave.
So, what you are saying is that the IDSA has valid reasons for preventing people from taking long-term antibiotics for Lyme, because they have to ``save some people from themselves''.
As if there was some altruistic motive behind these regulations!! I think we both know that ``public safety'' is not the concern here, in either the case of alternative treatments or antibiotic treatment. It's still all about the money and the power to control.
Every one of us who is ``game'' for trying an experimental treatment - and the IDSA considers long-term abx as just that - would be willing to sign off on the treatment as such, and take responsibility for our own actions.
Just like Berkley Bidell would have been willing to do.
But in NEITHER CASE are we given the opportunity to be responsible for our choices. Some God-player feels they have to make that decision for us.
Sorry, Cave. I don't need or want that much protection from myself. Along with freedom of choice comes responsibility, and I'm willing to be responsible rather than lose that freedom.
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good civil stuff going on. As for my situation I had to get off the abx for a variety of reasons. HMO not paying is a biggie.
So far so good with essential oils, herbs, detox/diet and colloidal silver. You may want to stock up...whether alternative treatments win out or FDA tyranny continues is still up in the air.
fyi for those interested...latest on the silver war.
EPA uses nanotech regulation ploy to target colloidal silver while ignoring all other nanotech particles NewsTarget Insider Alert (www.NewsTarget.com) HEALTH SOLUTIONS
(Please forward to others who may benefit) The powers that be have been trying for years to ban colloidal silver and remove it from the marketplace.
Why? Because it's the perfect natural antibiotic, and it makes virtually all drug-company manufactured antibiotics obsolete. (Shhh! It's an underground health secret. Don't tell anybody...)
Bacteria have no resistance to colloidal silver like they do with standard antibiotics, and colloidal silver is cheaper and incredibly safe compared to drugs (I've been saved from viral infections more than once by drinking an entire 2 oz. bottle of colloidal silver).
Now, the EPA has found a clever way to potentially regulate colloidal silver out of the market: they've announced they will classify the substance as a "nanotechnology pesticide" and force colloidal silver companies to prove it's safe if they want to keep selling it.
But where is the EPA's scrutiny of all other nanotech particles in foods, skin care products and drugs? Nowhere to be found, of course.
The EPA seems to be exclusively targeting colloidal silver as the only nanotech threat to U.S. consumers, and if they pull off this stunt, they will have finally achieved the government's longstanding goal of eliminating the competition to lucrative antibiotic drugs.
NewsTarget's exclusive feature story on colloidal silver is based on interviews with one of the top health freedom attorneys in the country -- a man who helped defend companies against the FDA's attempts to outlaw the substance a few years ago. Read the full investigative story at: http://www.newstarget.com/021231.html
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Darn - I have to even ask this Brent - but could you break up that big block of text for others to read?
I'm having an awful time with my R eye lately - like my vertical hold is broken - and I can't read this.
I'll copy it and dump it into a document or something for myself, but others might have trouble with it, too.
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If we're talking about 'The Medical System', the real problem isnt that herbs can be misused- remember, allopathic drugs can be misused, too, including over-the-counter ones- the problem instead is that we dont train doctors in using them, so people are often stuck being their own herbalist.
So we have lots of people self-diagnosing and self-treating who are not trained enough to do some of this. Luckily there are _generally_ fewer side effects to those herbs that are easy for non-professionals to purchase.
ALso, of course, we have a lot less money going into research studies involving whole herbs than we put into synthetic drugs or isolated constituents of herbs, so we're really missing out on a lot of useful medicine which in some instances can accomplish things that conventional allopathic medicine is very bad at (Buhner's book lists some examples (and studies proving this) useful to us, such as immune modulators which can affect the immune system in opposing ways depending on which way it's out of balance. There is no allopathic drug that works this way in humans, whereas there are several herbs that do so).
Luckily a lot more of this medical research on herbs has been done, very well, in other countries such as Germany and the Scandinavian countries.
I feel very lucky to have doctors who practice and are knowledgeable in both styles of medicine.
oh, and I"m having really good success with Buhner herbs. I went off my oral antibiotics (6 months) recently, tried a month of nothing, which brought back some of my symptoms pretty badly. I moved back to the Buhner herbs only, and within a few days felt back to 'normal' again, without the side effects of my antibiotics.
I expect to take these herbs for a year or so before I attempt to stop again.
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Wallace, that was interesting information, but very confusing the way it was written. It was certainly new information to me.
Cave, I have no idea at this time what your cigar was.... er.... rather, what your point was. Sorry. It must be my Lyme brain.
Perhaps it would suffice to say that no matter what Lyme treatment road you choose to go down - alternative or mainstream medicine - you are likely to encounter the same demons. There will be some group or entity that wants to limit your choices under the auspices of ``protecting you''.
Thanks for breaking up that post, Brent, and thanks for posting it. I had heard rumors that there was a push to remove colloidal silver from the marketplace, but did not know the EPA was behind it and what their ``excuse'' was in calling for the ban. As you pointed out, it is utterly ridiculous.
I found some interesting info about silver and colloidal silver, why it works, why it is safe, etc.:
Some Silver History: Seventy years ago, Colloidal Silver was a proven germ fighter and widely used. It was the mainstay of antibiotic treatment. In 1914 the medical journal, "Lancet", reported phenomenal results from it's' use. Dr. Henry Crooks showed Colloidal Silver to be absolutely harmless, and non-toxic to humans, and highly germicidal.
Colloidal Silver has proven itself useful against all species of fungi, parasites, bacteria, protozoa, and certain viruses. For centuries we've known the properties of silver.
The ancients stored their water in silver vessels to prevent bacteria from growing. American settlers would put a silver dollar in their milk containers to hinder its spoilage. Australian Colonials would suspend a silver fork or spoon in their water containers to prevent contamination. Soldiers in the American Civil War swallowed whole silver dollars to ward off disease.
Communion goblets used in church were made of silver, because it was known that one couldn't catch any disease if the cup was made of silver. In certain European countries a silver teaspoon/fork was placed in the pot when cooking mussels.
Prior to 1940 articles regarding benefits of colloidal silver were frequently seen in medical journals. During the 1930s silver was used both externally and internally for a variety of medical conditions. Because of the price of silver, (then US$200.00 an ounce) and the inception of penicillin and other antibiotics, which was relatively inexpensive, use of Colloidal Silver fell by the wayside.
How Colloidal Silver Works: Colloidal Silver seems to only attack the unfriendly pathogens or anaerobic ones and does no harm to the friendly or aerobic ones. How does it differentiate?
For the most part, friendly bacteria are aerobic (needing oxygen) while unfriendly bacteria are anaerobic. The silver does not attack bacteria directly, but rather decomposes certain enzymes the anaerobic bacteria, viruses, yeast and molds require. The silver acts as a catalyst and is not consumed in the process.
The reason that microbes do not develop resistance to silver, as they do to antibiotics, is because silver does not attack them directly, but rather destroys the enzymes they depend on. Many forms of bacteria, fungi, and viruses utilize a specific enzyme for their metabolism.
The presence of colloidal silver near a virus, fungus, bacterium or any other single-celled pathogen disables its oxygen metabolism enzyme, its Chemical Lung, so to say. Within a few minutes, the pathogen suffocates and dies, and is cleared out of the body by the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems.
Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics, which destroy beneficial enzymes, colloidal silver leaves these tissue-cell enzymes intact, as they are radically different from the enzymes of primitive single-celled life.
Argyria is the bluish - graying of the skin and is the result of ingesting high doses of CHEMICALLY produced colloidal silver. There has never been a case of Argyria caused by ELECTRICALLY produced colloidal silver.
- from Inorganic Medicinal Substances by Otto Leeser, PH D., MD (Translated from the German by Linn J. Boyd, MD)
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Ocean Plasma
Ocean Plasma is a brand name, as is Quinton's Marine Plasma--both are seawater products harvested according to the findings and instructions of French physiologist/biologist Rene Quinton.
This substance represents one of the greatest medical innovations of the (20th) century. Harmless, simple and inexpensive, Quinton Plasma achieves today, as it did at the turn of the (last) century, therapeutic results that must be seen to be believed. And they can be seen on this website (refering to a past website--Ed.), thanks to the photos Quinton and his colleagues took in the hospitals where they worked.
Have you ever heard of Rene Quinton? Probably not. Yet this man saved several thousands of children's lives in France and in Egypt at the beginning of this century by using a serum which now bears his name.
Rene Quinton "was the first person to discern and to investigate the similarity between sea water and mammalian lymph and blood plasma systems. He endeavored to solve the mysteries of sea water and its compatibility with living organisms by proceeding to carry out several scientific experiments in hospitals. The results he obtained were dramatically unexpected, since several people who were dying regained their vigor. Rene Quinton worked in collaboration with Drs. Potocki, Mace and Jarricot, and for four years he labored at perfecting his techniques and adjusting dosages. In 1904, he released the results of his hospital experiments in a book entitled, 'L'eau de mer, milieu organique' (Sea Water: Organic Medium). The book was re-issued in 1995 because of the timeliness of its well- researched contents."
In 1921, Dr. Jarricot brought out "The Marine Dispensary" which contained the results of his therapeutic experiments in the treatment of childhood diseases using Quinton's formula.
Hospitals everywhere became aware of Rene Quinton's new therapy and were favorably disposed to its use. Twelve centers for the application of his methods were subsequently established in France, Belgium and Egypt. Unfortunately, the war in Europe put an end to his research and his theories were temporarily set aside. Exhausted by his work, Rene Quinton died in 1925. It was not until the 1980's that French doctors and therapists once again started to investigate his therapeutic approach.
This century-old approach is now widely used in France, Germany, Spain and Italy. A Study and Research Centre has also been established with the aim of making available earlier and current research carried out using Quinton products. Extensive studies are also being made, especially of injectable Quinton Plasma for use in the treatment of severe or advanced diseases, many of which are now on the rise.
METHOD OF PREPARATION
Sea water is extracted from a particular location which is situated between 10 meters from the bottom and 30 meters from the surface. This location is called the zone of solar penetration, and is known for its exceptional purity. Isothermic vehicles are used to transport the sea water to the laboratory for processing in less than 48 hours. The bottling in vials and packaging is completed in less than 24 hours under sterile conditions in the absence of any metallic contact or raised temperature in accordance with the original sampling techniques laid down by the physiologist and biologist Rene Quinton and in conformity with present day pharmacological standards as well as those of the G.M.P."
"Sea water tends to maintain its characteristic biodynamism and the molecular balance of a 'living medium'. The entirety of trace elements contained in sea water are to be found in the solution in their active states.
SOURCE AND AUTHENTICITY OF QUINTON PRODUCTS
After several years of research, Rene Quinton deduced and proved that sea water could not be extracted from random locations.
The composition of sea water varies as a ratio of its distance from the coastline, according to climate and presence or absence of specific marine vegetation.
He also proved satisfactorily that sea water, which is a colloidal solution, differed fundamentally in its therapeutic effects from the artificial saline solution (water plus salt) currently used.
In addition, he proved that the drying out or desiccation of sea water destroyed it permanently. He showed that it was experimentally impossible to reconstitute sea water out of its dried extract.
Another important factor which he brought to light was that the equilibrium of its pharmaco-dynamic action was totally destroyed in desalinized sea water, that desalinized sea water had no valid therapeutic action. The same goes for artificially isolated trace elements whether as single units, double units, or three at a time. Their action was noted to have minimal effect.
This part of the report relates to the first Quinton family seawater company. It was part of the original copyrighted article and so had to be left in the article. It relates to a name. The same process is followed by the Ocean Plasma company.--Ed.
RENE QUINTON'S PATENTED PROCESS
After several years of intensive research, Rene Quinton assembled his results and had them patented.
The patent designates the following: - The only area suitable for extracting the quality of sea water which is completely compatible with the mammalian organism.
- The methods and techniques for maintaining all the nutritive elements found in sea water in their active state without using chemical additives.
- Bottling and packaging methods.
Quinton International Laboratories SARL is the sole proprietor of this patented process. It is the only laboratory to obtain a permit from the French Ministry of Health for marketing sea water prepared according to Rene Quinton's formula. Only vials and bottles originating at these laboratories may bear the mark "QUINTON" on the glass containers.
QUINTON HYPERTONIC, QUINTON ISOTONIC
Quinton Hypertonic Solution is pure unadulterated sea water in its natural form with its oceanic components. It is extracted and stored under the strict conditions described earlier. Its mineral and trace-element concentration is thus superior to that of universal blood plasma, making it the most concentrated form of Quinton solutions, hence its name: Hypertonic Solution.
Quinton Hypertonic Solution may be taken orally with a little water.
Quinton Isotonic Solution, on the other hand, is produced from Quinton Hypertonic Solution. It contains exactly the same concentration of minerals and trace-elements as blood plasma but its sodium content matches that of blood, hence its alternative name: Quinton Plasma.
Quinton Hypertonic Solution is reduced to isotonicity with the addition of Aqua Fontana (Mont Roucous Spring Water) which has no mineral or medicinal content and is guaranteed to be naturally sterile and free of bacteria.
Quinton Isotonic Solution may be taken orally, injected or used in transfusion. Injections may be administered subcutaneously, intramuscularly or intravenously as required.
To recapitulate, Quinton Hypertonic Solution is the most concentrated form. Quinton Isotonic Solution or Quinton Plasma is equal to blood plasma in its mineral and trace-element concentration. Quinton Plasma can thus never be hypertonic.
PROPERTIES OF QUINTON HYPERTONIC SOLUTION
Quinton Hypertonic Solution promotes cellular nourishment to a noticeable degree. It is to be used as a regenerating and remineralizing factor, a life-giving essence when there is a need for a concentrated natural supply of all the minerals and trace-elements for the optimum functioning of any organism.
Quinton Hypertonic Solution is recommended for use in order to produce a therapeutic shock effect on the organism, and to induce an almost immediate reinvigoration of depleted organic systems. It is also recommended for use prior to an anticipated drain of energy whether physical, intellectual or emotional.
PROPERTIES OF QUINTON ISOTONIC SOLUTION
Research carried out by Rene Quinton and his successors has shown incontestably that, from a scientific and clinical standpoint, Quinton Plasma is identical with the indispensable fluid which sustains the development of life.
Rene Quinton's successors were: - Professor Alexis Carrel (Nobel Prize in Neurophysiology) - Professor A. Bogolometz (Cytotoxic Serum) - Doctor Jean Jarricot (Marine Method) - Doctor Alfred Pischinger (Basic Regulation System)
They all came to similar conclusions, that is to say, that sea water (as is contained in Quinton Plasma) is identical with the liquid inner environment of humans and mammals. This makes it possible, under certain optimum conditions, for isolated cells, tissue fragments and whole organs to survive in this medium.
Modern analytical techniques used by A. Pischinger in 1994 have confirmed what Rene Quinton could only intuit in 1904 in the absence of appropriate technology:
Quinton Plasma expedites the regeneration of the organism either by the speedy or by the gradual substitution of a depleted inner medium by replacing it with a natural and identical equivalent, thus promoting optimum cell development and activity. This Plasma is, par excellence, a physiological serum.
QUINTON PLASMA IN CASES OF CANCER, LEUKEMIA AND MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS
Quinton Plasma may be considered as a valuable adjunct in the medical treatment of these diseases.
4 to 6 vials must be taken regularly every day over a period of many months.
In certain cases, the Plasma should be administered by injection for maximum efficiency. Injections of 30 to 60cc (3 to 6 vials) may be given every second day throughout the first two months. Advanced stages of the disease may require higher doses. Subsequent treatment, when appropriate, may be tapered off from a single injection twice a week to once a week."
"HYDROTHERAPY OF THE COLON USING QUINTON PLASMA
Modern advances in Physiology and Molecular Biochemistry" ...have proven the similarity in mineral content of the mammalian inner environment and sea water.
"This similarity makes it possible for any organism to select or reject what it needs in a natural way.
The assimilation or elimination of marine ions is made possible through cellular receptors with a high degree of accuracy by the identifying polarity derived from biocenosis.
Cold-sterilized Isotonic sea water is usually eliminated through the kidneys. This eliminated sea water tends to be twice as concentrated and twice as voluminous as artificial physiological serum.
TOTAL OSMOSIS OCCURS BETWEEN THE PLASMA AND THE INNER FLUID ENVIRONMENT
The advantages of Quinton Isotonic Solution in colonic hydrotherapy:
- Physiological irrigation and cleansing of the intestinal membranes. - Anti-anaphylactic action of sea water. - Reabsorption of micro-nutrients and minerals through the portal vein. - Physiological stabilization in case of insufficient potassium. - Anti-inflammatory and anti-spasmodic action as required in adjustable doses. - In cases of infection: optimum absorption results - Strengthens the immune system."
"Here is what two highly respected European researchers write about the Quinton Plasma:
From an 1991 article by Dr. Andre Passebecq, M.D., Ph.D., N.D. Dr. Jean-Marc Soulier, Ph. D., pharmacist
To maintain a healthy body, homeostasis must be kept constant. Thus a dynamic equilibrium is continuously reconstructed in the face of modifications due to the surrounding metabolism. A healthy organic terrain is the basis of health and conversely diseases develop on a depleted or congested terrain. Upstream of most diseases there is an unbalanced terrain."
"Mineral salts The four most abundant cations in the body are sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium from which phosphorus cannot be disassociated. Sodium is the monovalent cation characteristic of extracellular fluid (ECF) and, conversely, potassium is that of intracellular fluid (ICF). The composition of salts present in the ICF greatly differs from that of ECF but directly depends on the composition of the latter. Their relations are ensured by the ion pumps of the cell membrane.
Interaction and balance of mineral salts
Magnesium can only be used if a balanced calcium-phosphorus ratio exists. Magnesium acts as a regulator of the calcium fixation and serves as a phosphorus carrier. It is therefore an integral part of the calcium-phosphorus complex.
Any calcium-phosphorus imbalance reduces the resistance to illness and therefore enhances susceptibility to diseases, increases fatigue, weakens intellectual faculties and leads to premature ageing.
In addition, an abnormal potassium rate produces a magnesium and sodium imbalance. No salt is independent of the others as they all interact directly or indirectly with the other electrolytes.
Much more than an isolated salt, it is the general equilibrium of the saline matrix of the internal environment which will ensure proper functioning of the organism.
For example, the influence of the different salts on cardiac automaticity evidences their separate involvement: sodium through volemia and its relation to calcium, potassium regulating cardiac automaticity, calcium and magnesium governing muscular contraction, etc.
Seawater
Seawater is an extraordinarily rich and complex matrix that still possesses numerous unexplained features.
Note first that the structure of seawater remains incompletely known. Indeed, to this day, no model encompasses all its physico-chemical properties. In addition, the elements that compose the marine saline matrix also exhibit specific properties: for example the coefficient of dissociation of salts present in the seawater is higher than that observed in salts dissolved in distilled water, in spite of the simultaneous presence of other salts in seawater. A 33% solution of sea salts, redissolved in distilled water does not exhibit all the properties of natural seawater of the same salinity.
Additionally. most of the constituents dissolved in seawater (except for CaCO3) are far from saturated, irrespective of the importance of the external inputs or the availability of these elements in submerged rocks.
Dittmar's laws show that whatever the total saline concentration, the relative concentrations of the different ions present in the ocean waters with respect to that of chlorine can be regarded as constant. The complex mechanisms governing these concentrations have not been fully explained yet.
Also the issue of artificial seawater reconstitution remains highly complex: chemists have to introduce certain dosage modifications associated with the stability of the elements present at a very low concentration.
The wealth and diversity of mineral salts and trace elements present in seawater are exceptional. Gregory and Overberger have shown that the marine saline matrix contains the 92 trace elements of Mendelev's periodic table.
It includes all vital nutrient salts and trace elements at concentrations ranging from 1 mg/L and 10 mg/L.
It exhibits an important buffering capability, with a pH comprised between 7.9 and 8.3 and a mean saline concentration of 33/%.
Note in particular that all the minerals contained in seawater are at a concentration close to that at which they are usually found in man's internal environment.
The joint study of seawater and internal environment highlights the similarity between the mineral compositions of human plasma and seawater. In addition, the results of treatments involving correctly elaborated water preparations demonstrate the amazing therapeutic efficacy of seawater. How can this be explained ? What are the links between seawater and the vital internal environment ? As a result what is the influence of seawater on the ionic and mineral balance of the organism ?"
Rene Quinton addressed these questions with certain theories about the relationship between seawater and the internal environment of mammals, including man. He concluded that the human organism maintained this rich, life-giving internal environment so closely related to isotonic seawater for the full development of cells.
"He postulated that from the mineral point of view, human and marine plasmas are environments of the same nature. In other words, there is physical and physiological identity between seawater and the internal environment of the organism. Not only do they exhibit very similar mineral compositions, but the particular form, organization and synergy of trace elements and mineral salts that make up the saline matrix of seawater closely resemble those of the internal environment constituents."
After a documented body of scientific observations, Quinton surveyed the possible medical applications of his findings.
"Together with a medical team, Quinton developed for more than 25 years the so-called "marine method" based on "Quinton's Plasma," a marine plasma in the form of an injectable isotonic solution.
The works of physicians Jarricot, Robert Simon, Lacheze, Mace and Quinton rely on the principle of regeneration of the depleted internal environment, on which cells live, by means of purified seawater preparations exhibiting a balanced and complete composition, so as to allow the patient to globally reconstruct his terrain and the cells to find once again the elements they need.
Given the particular period in which these works were published, they mainly cover various types of cutaneous disorders, neurovegetative asthenias, anorexias, acute cachexias, infant diarrheas, deep dehydrations, gastroenteritis, pulmonary tuberculosis, cholera, typhus."
(Of course, in the early 1900's no AIDS existed, cancer was a rarity, auto-immune diseases were 50 years from discovery, and many other "modern day" maladies were unknown .--Ed.)
"Exceptional results were obtained and the findings of these precursors should now be supplemented by numerous other investigations. Their writings and the listed clinical cases demonstrate the great therapeutic attractiveness of Quinton's assumptions and the efficacy of his method.
Marine plasma is a living medium. It is worth pointing out that, basically, living matter differs from mineral matter in its organization and not in the nature of the atoms that compose it. A living cell is much more than the sum of its elements. The mere dosage of components does not suffice in itself to account for the therapeutic effect of marine plasma.
A good illustration of this can be found in the therapeutic mineral waters; except for the elements that are abundant in them, many waters develop their curative power essentially when drawn from the mineral water spring. Due to the preservation methods and conditions used, these waters lose their properties although the constitutive elements remain present.
Hence is there a specific state of these waters when they are drawn? Numerous theories could be devised, starting from the "homeopathic dynamization" whose most probable substratum would be a particular state of the solvent, in this case water.
As a result, how can we envisage the specific therapeutic gain that could result from the use of the trace elements present in marine plasma? The assumption of physiologic identity between human plasma and marine plasma supposes a form of availability particularly well-suited to the needs of the organism.
Resulting from the mineral balance, pH should be restored by marine plasma. German physician Ropffer thoroughly investigated the evolution of body pH in patients to whom he had prescribed hydromarine treatments. He concluded the following:
'For normal and alkaline organisms, an increase in acid values has unequivocally been established. Similarly for hyperacid organisms, a dramatic decrease in acid values has been recorded. No case has remained the same.
It can therefore be stated that in case a global inconstant acidity, a cure of drinkable seawater causes the normal acidity to be recovered. In particular for gastritis due to dietary errors or alcohol and nicotine abuse remarkable results have been obtained.'
Dr. Jarricot wrote:
'Marine plasma is not a serum against such and such illness, but it is designed for the living cell.'
In other words, it is a product which by its very nature primarily contributes to the restoration of health and the suppression of disease and its symptoms.' " ...........
The above text, aside from a small amount of summarized or edited material, came from an earlier seawater website. See oceanplasma.org for more current information.
The above information is presented, with kind permission, by Oc�an Plasma Inc. of Montreal, QC, Canada.
Inquiries pertaining to the use and supply of Oc�an Plasma products may be directed to:
Seawater--A Safe Blood Plasma Substitute? By Dianne Jacobs Thompson
Diluted ocean water is so similar to mammalian blood plasma that it has been used successfully in animal tests as a blood transfusion substitute. Historically, it could also remineralize the body, normalize pH levels, balance electrolytes and heal diseases.
My long-time fear of having a blood transfusion or anything else injected directly into my unprotected bloodstream has grown stronger over the years. It's not a religious issue, but rather an occupational hazard. Being a health researcher, terrible visions of what could go wrong haunt me, with good reason. I feel like the meat inspector who becomes a vegetarian. I know things that forever destroyed my innocent faith in all things medical. I no longer worship in "The Church of Modern Medicine" nor tithe to its pseudo-gods voluntarily.
"They," the health (read: disease) industry specialists, check blood better these days to catch unsafe blood supplies contaminated with HIV, Hepatitis, and other disease components, but blood products still aren't completely safe, even with modern technology. They can't sterilize blood any more than they can sterilize vaccines to kill all the unwanted "bugs" without destroying the nature of these products. They test blood and separate blood components through centrifugal action and other methods to purify it as much as possible, but it remains impossible to promise or deliver a completely safe blood-related product. Blood is 'alive'--it cannot be sterilized or rendered antiseptic.
There are countless transfusion horror stories dating back many decades, but we rarely ever hear about them. For example, a neighbor down the street lost her husband about four years ago. He had cancer, but became infected with viral hepatitis from a blood transfusion and died from liver failure, not the cancer. Many people know someone who suffered from the effects of a blood transfusion gone bad. That's just a fact of life and one of the known risks of surgery, no matter how minor.
Unfortunately, I've run across too many stories of this nature. I've spent most of my adult life doing research and writing in the field of alternative medicine (truthquest2.com) with an early focus on viral and bacterial diseases and problem vaccines, some of which are still made from pooled human blood products, or with "attenuated" vaccine viruses created by "serial passage" through contaminated animal cell cultures. That means they take human viruses and put them in layers of animal cells over and over again which forces them to adapt to the foreign cells to survive. This "adaptation" requires an exchange of genetic material between virus and host cells. When monkey kidney cells are used, the exchange of genetic material that takes place forces the human virus to become a little bit 'monkey-like', supposedly so it cannot initiate full-blown disease, which doesn't always work. In the process, native monkey viruses become a little bit 'human-like', giving them greater compatibility with human cells.
Such may be the case with the infamous Epstein-Barr virus which is referred to as "human" while many scientists believe it originated in monkeys, infected humans through contaminated vaccines in mutated form, and then became associated with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and other maladies. But then, there is less of a species barrier with monkeys than with other animals, which gives us less protection from their pathogens. The bio-hazards of monkey viruses are well-known in certain scientific circles, but little-known by the general public.
In the course of my research I came to study the subject of recombinant virology--the combining of unlike viruses into new "tribes," usually with more dangerous characteristics than the "parent" viruses, by men in white coats playing God. Recombination events can also happen in nature under certain conditions, particularly when helped along by bad science. For example, a monkey virus called SV-40 (Simian Virus 40, after becoming the 40th virus found in monkey tissues) was found to have unique properties. This "naked virus" can penetrate any kind of cell without the problem of a "species barrier" and it allows unlike viruses to attach to it and ride piggyback into the genetic material of a cell where they can take over the "machinery" and replicate new recombined viruses on their own. The discovery of this virus gave rise to the field of recombinant virology with many dire consequences. SV-40 became a well-documented but unpublicized contaminant in polio vaccines, made with the use of monkey kidney cell cultures, when it was given in 1955-1963 to 95 million unsuspecting recipients.
The first official claim was that SV-40 viruses "do not have any significance in the safety or efficacy of polio vaccines", but when the virus was first tested on guinea pigs after its discovery, they developed salivary gland tumors and immune deficiency symptoms. The corresponding organ in humans is the pancreas. Deadly pancreatic cancer has since become epidemic in numbers. SV-40 is now associated with numerous cancers, including human mesotheliomas, osteosarcomas, brain tumors, epdnymomas, choroid plexus tumors and others. These same monkey cell cultures, used to make vaccines, contained other viruses such as SIV--Simian Immunodeficiency Virus--and that figures prominently in the makeup of another recombinant virus we know as HIV. There's no proof offered publicly whether HIV resulted from a naturally occurring recombination event, but the sophistication of this virus and some documented government requests for the creation of a similar biological weapon suggests otherwise, although a study generated at the request of the WHO, and then suppressed, linking African AIDS to the WHO vaccination campaign theorized that viral vaccines "activated" dormant viruses, so this is a possibility supporting natural recombination, unless HIV was intentionally added to certain vaccines.
The London Times printed this story on May 11, 1986, but the story was withheld from the American media. This kind of information seldom reaches the general public in my country, like one of the most horrific scientific "errors" ever made and hushed up involving "HeLa Cells," the most aggressive cancer cell culture ever known which made its way into science labs all over the world for research and then contaminated many cell cultures used for vaccines... by accident. Think about human vaccine viruses being grown in cancer cells and exchanging genetic information with the cancerous host cells before being injected into millions of unsuspecting victims.
That's just part of what a person potentially faces when receiving blood from another person or persons with undetected infection. Sam Bizer, a researcher in the field of alternative medicine, interviewed Dr. William Donald Kelly, D.D.S., M.S., who related a conversation with Drs. Friedman and Burton from the former Immunological Center in Great Neck, New York, that did cancer research. They maintained from their findings that a blood transfusion may destroy your resistance to cancer. Dr Burton believed, as many religious groups do, that blood transfusions can cause cancer. "'He says it works something like this... A tumor, in its natural drive to sustain its own life, secretes compounds called blocking factors which prevent the body's natural defense system from destroying it.' He believed that when you give a transfusion, you pass on the blood donor's blocking factors and that this can suppress the recipient's own immune system sufficiently to allow a tumor to develop. Then this new tumor in turn secretes its own blocking factor, which inhibits the immune system further. So, while cancer is not contagious, its blocking factors can be transmitted. In this way, a blood transfusion may increase your susceptibility to cancer." [4]
While possible "blocking factors" and contamination from human and animal microbes in blood supplies worry me somewhat, there are other factors that keep me awake at night... Someone I knew in college just happened to mention in passing that a blood transfusion changed his life. He described coming out of surgery after an accident and waking up with a changed personality. He blamed his condition on the blood transfusion he was given. Since I only knew him after this event, I can't say whether the change was good or bad, but who wants something like that to happen while under anesthesia?
But something far worse than a personality change affected my opinion in 1981. That year I gave birth to my only child in Alaska--a much anticipated arrival by me at age 34 and by the baby's godmother, Ceci Clark, an artist and gallery owner of some renown in Alaska. Ceci developed bone cancer which wasn't diagnosed immediately. Before they found it, she had surgery for something else and was given a blood transfusion. When she woke up, her "brains" were scrambled, so to speak. She recognized me, but thought I was her sister, and she grew confused trying to figure out where that newborn baby came from? They eventually found the cancer. She died soon after.
In recent years my research turned to alternative cancer treatments and remedies for chronic/degenerative disease, particularly after becoming desperately ill and having my health, and that of other family members, restored without drugs or surgery by an unusual naturopathic physician in Spokane, Washington, the late Dr Harold Dick, whose extraordinary diagnostic and healing skills were both passed on to and added to by his daughter who completed a 3 year residency with him, became his partner, and then took over his practice after his death, Dr Letitia Dick-Watrous, N.D. Dr Dick not only turned my health around with a little-known diagnostic "tool" and an updated treatment modality with roots in the old "water cure" of Germany's famous Father Sebastian Kneipp--the O.G. Carroll Food Intolerance Test and Constitutional Hydrotherapy--but mentored me and lit a research fire in my belly that won't go out, and Dr Watrous fanned the flames.
In the course of researching natural healing methods, I joined a membership website that featured little-known alternative treatments for cancer and infection and these included "The Marine Treatment" based on the work of French biologist/physiologist, Rene Quinton. He proved that seawater, properly formulated and under certain conditions, is virtually identical to mammal blood plasma. With the assistance of many eminent physicians, he successfully used seawater as a healing agent on thousands of patients in France and Egypt in the early 1900's. Cancer was almost unknown in those days, but many other disease conditions responded to injections of the diluted ocean water, a true "marine plasma", which could re-mineralize a sick body, normalize the pH (acid--alkaline) level and balance the electrolytes, thereby correcting the underlying cause of many disease conditions by regenerating the 'internal terrain', as Quinton called it. The report included before-and-after photos of patients. Like most people, I was drawn to the shocking 100-year-old photos first, and the science came in a distant second. Babies near death from cholera and other causes, cadaver-like bodies filled out to healthy plumpness, raw, weeping skin from eczema made smooth and lesion-free... many early 20th century scourges, such as tuberculosis, were shown-- healed by something as natural and plentiful as sunlight or the air we breathe.
How important is the mineral and trace mineral balance in the body? Many researchers, including Dr. Joel Wallach, author of the best-selling audio tape, "Dead Doctors Don't Lie", claim that the absence of one single mineral needed by the body can give rise to as many as ten different disease symptoms. Of course, much of modern medicine still blames germs and genetics for most human disease, so the "mineral deficiency" theory is generally ignored. But Dr Wallach believes that a common heart condition--cardiomyopathy--a condition that has killed countless victims, from professional athletes to heart specialists, or made them candidates for heart transplants--is caused by nothing more than a selenium (a trace mineral) deficiency and can be cured or prevented by a few cents worth of selenium supplements a day.
Enter seawater--the missing link to deficient elemental nutrition! It contains every mineral and trace mineral known, in organic form, in the proper ratios needed by human tissues, and it's been there all along as a healing and life-giving agent, hidden in plain sight. While the website where I first found "The Marine Treatment" information had a good report and impressive photos, a more complete website on the subject was under construction. There, I discovered Dr. Juergen Buche, N.D. was in the process of translating a large body of ocean water research and supporting documentation from the original French into English on his academic oceanplasma.org website.
What I found on that site hit so close to home that I'm still reeling! Besides curing many diseases of the day in the early 1900s, my eye caught something that resonated with my transfusion phobias. It turns out that trials were run on stray dogs to test the Ocean Plasma (diluted, cold-filtered ocean water) as a transfusion substitute. In one experiment, Quinton and his medical team drained a dog of all of its blood and replaced it with isotonic (diluted) seawater. The dog should have died immediately, one would think, but the dog lived. On day 2 after the transfusion, 50% of the blood components had reappeared. By day 4, almost 100% of the missing blood components were restored in what appeared to be proof of biological transmutation (change from one element to another). Not only did the blood completely regenerate, but soon after the procedure, the dog bounced around like a puppy with greater vitality than before the procedure and it lived for many years afterwards. Just think what a safe, effective, plentiful substitute for blood transfusion would mean to the world? No side effects, no blood type matching needed, no pathogen screening required, and it would be a true plasma with proven healing properties in itself!
So, what became of this wondrous marine treatment? World War I got in the way of medical research as well as drafting Quinton into the war. He died in 1925. These events somewhat interrupted the continuance of "Marine Treatment" hospitals and clinics, of which there were many. However, it was carried on by his medical co- workers and ardent followers and experienced a resurgence after World War II in several countries. Animal trials using seawater as a transfusion substitute were repeated with the same results in 1969; but as a therapeutic agent, "The Marine Treatment" has since then been used on people mostly as a foundational treatment for chronic/ degenerative disease. Also, it became known as a complete and readily-assimilated liquid mineral and trace mineral supplement for remineralization, for detoxification, for energy, and for anti-stress.
No human trials for transfusion have ever been attempted. As for the healing properties of seawater, in today's restrictive medical atmosphere, seawater can only be referred to as a "mineral drink". If the word "cure" was uttered or written in relation to a brand name, the "offense" would be legally actionable. Only a DRUG, toxic by its very nature, can be called "curative", and no FDA-sanctioned studies will be funded or reported on the efficacy of seawater treatment for disease, because a supplement can be studied only in relation to its disease "risk reduction" factor as defined by the government agency, and not as a treatment for actual disease.
Why haven't we heard of Rene Quinton and his marine treatment? This country, the North American continent in general and the USA in particular, has the worst national health of any industrialized country in the world--in spite of spending the most money on health research and health care. This country lags sadly behind in many areas of medical science, particularly when those who profit from bad science are called to arms for their own self-protection by safer, more effective and less expensive remedies and methods such as Quinton's modest but living ocean water. Look at the international pharmaceutical industry. It has such wealth and power that it controls not only the FDA but American health-related legislation and policies. Take for example the case of the "cholesterol" caper. In the past, the federal guidelines for managing cholesterol were this: Someone with 300 mg of dietary cholesterol per day, with an HDL (good cholesterol) level of 35 mg per deciliter (dL) in the blood was considered unacceptable and in need of treatment. However, under the "guidance" of the powerful pharmaceutical industry, those federal guidelines were recently changed. Now, less than 200 mg of dietary cholesterol per day is considered "acceptable" and an HDL (good cholesterol) level of anything less than 40 is now unacceptable. (JAMA 01; 285:2486-2487)
Translation: Under the old guidelines, 13 million people were pushed into using cholesterol-lowering drugs. Under the new guidelines, 36 million people are now buying those drugs, and that means billions of dollars of additional revenue to the pharmaceutical companies. At the same time, these same drug manufacturers have been particularly hesitant to publish the effects of drug-induced low cholesterol, which includes depression, violent behavior, suicide, aggression, increased risk of stroke and poor immune function, according to certain studies. It's looks like we're being brainwashed by some kind of drug mythology into believing that diseases are caused by a drug deficiency and that they can only be cured by increased and expensive drug consumption.
What would happen to these international drug cartels if an actual cure for cancer suddenly came on the market outside of their control? Since they exist financially only for "treatment of symptoms" (disease management) rather than curing anything, it is possible that our entire financial/medical infrastructure might collapse as a consequence. The stockholders of pharmaceutical companies want profits, not a cure to end human misery and stop the flow of profits.We hear similar stories about fossil fuel substitutes and other life-altering discoveries and inventions that never made it to the open market due to intervention by the competition.
Likewise, a safe blood transfusion substitute might threaten too many rich and powerful areas of the medical market to ever see the light of day...but one can visualize the possibilities. However, "Vision without action is only a dream." [7] Consider this article the start of action--maybe YOUR action?! Harvesting seawater for consumption (it can be ingested orally [by drinking] or be injected) is not easy and it requires knowledge, care, and the right equipment. First, the weather, tides, and other conditions need to be right. Secondly, ocean water is harvested far out to sea (35 miles or more) to ensure purity. Then, since nutrients are depleted in surface waters, where plants and algae grow, and are found in higher concentrations in deep waters, ocean water is pumped from 100 feet below the surface. During the entire processing operations, from ocean to bottle, the seawater cannot touch metal and must be kept cold. Heating kills the invigorating living properties of seawater. It has to be transported and kept in glass or food-grade plastic containers. Then it has to be tested and cold-purified in a manner that protects it from alteration and preserves its state as a living solution.
Seawater, in its original and primal state, once had only 1/3 the saline content it has now, and this fact is still mirrored in the saline content of blood and tears. The oceans became more concentrated through the ages, and are now far too salty to drink in large amounts. To use ocean water as blood plasma, it must be diluted with ultra-pure water to the same concentration as blood plasma, namely 9 grams of salts per liter. As the perfect mineral supplement, it can be consumed orally in dilute form or full strength by those with no sodium sensitivities--but only in small amounts, like an ounce at a time, several times a day if necessary. However, it's extremely important to dilute it with pure spring water for home use, because chlorinated water has the same kind of damaging effect on ocean water as it has on the human body, according to several studies. The French got it right. They ozonate their drinking water instead of adding cheaper bleach to it.
The exact properties of seawater remain a mystery to modern science. In spite of our great technical expertise, the complete nature of seawater defies analysis. It has some living quality beyond the sum of its parts. It can't be dried and reconstituted, or synthesized in a chemistry lab. The great French scientist Antoine B�champ looked at blood as a kind of flowing tissue rather than just a liquid. Seawater also has something about it that makes it more than "just water." It sustains life, as proven by Nobel Laureate Alexis Carroll, who kept a piece of chicken heart tissue alive in it for over 26 years, needing only to change it daily to dispose of metabolic wastes. In fact, one could factually say that we have internalized the ocean within ourselves, and in that rich nutrient medium is the source of life. Every cell in the body bathes and feeds in it. It picks up and carries away the waste products of cell metabolism. It has a life force, unlike the familiar bags of saline solution seen in every hospital, which is nothing more than table salt and plain water. Processed table salt bears little resemblance to the raw, unprocessed, mineral-rich sea salt we should be using, and our depleted bodies suffer the consequences.
If I have surgery, I want to see "Ocean Plasma" in a drip bag above my head before the lights go out. The world needs someone with courage and vision willing to initiate the first human trials; the world needs someone to extend Rene Quinton's dog trials and to make that leap into the future that signals true progress.
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You asked, "Is antibiotics the only treatment option?"
No.
Some have used ozone saunas with success, Rife with success, far infrated saunas (new approach) and/or very specific nutrient supplements.
Some have followed other "protocols" (adapted!) which look to have worked.
While making a huge commitment to living a very healthy lifestyle.
No alcohol. No smoking. No junk foods/junk beverages. Get some exercise (increasing as tolerated)...fresh air, some sunshine, etc.
Most people are not willing to make those life style changes...understandable.
Those who have used "alternative" methods have posted here repeatedly.
But the mindset is abx. This is what we were "taught"...infection = antibiotics.
But Bb is UNIQUE. VERY.
Antibiotics DO rid co-infections and DO change our immune RESPONSE, but do not look to eliminate Bb. Control the symptoms or rid the infection completely?
It depends on your personal goal. Some simply want to be pain free. I understand.
I believe, in time, it IS possible to CURE this infection via "alternative" methods available today.
Keep an open mind. Learn. Evaluate. Weigh the risks. This is YOUR LIFE.
The Marshall protocol does NOT use a drug in the "antibiotic" class.
Abx. is a form of chemotherapy, IMO. Chemical therapy.
Every day our own NK (natural killer) cells kill off about 4 precancerous cells.They do this in an alkaline blood system by "squirting" the precancerous cells with a...get this...free radical! This is what is supposed to happen.
When we EXERCISE, our NK cells decrease because our system is already "acidic" as lactic acid builds up. No need for any more negative charges.
Yes, negative charges (acids, vitamins, frequencies, light therapy, radiation therapy, etc.) do destroy pathogens, but too many is harmful to HEALTHY cells.
The first step to destroy a gram negative pathogen is to damage the cell wall (poke holes in it) or PREVENT ITS FORMATION. Then other things kick in to "finish the job".
Ideally, we would stop it from locking on, but rarely do we catch it fast enough to prevent that from happening. Bb uses many fast defensive tactics.
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Bogi: you are a bit scared of taking antibiotics, and many of us too.
Save exceptions we always talk about antibiotics, as if all would be similar. Antibiotics are so profoundly different and their side effects so specific and so dependent on the doses, repeated treatments, and duration of treatments, that just talking generically about the safety of antibiotics does not make any sense.
Some antibiotics do cause severe kidney damage after long treatments, or even during short-high dose treatments, that goes unnoticed for many years, and that normally only very detailed urine tests can detect.
Other antibiotics do cause irreversible hearing loss in most of people that take them for long.
Other are chemotherapeutic-purely chemically engineered compounds that are extremely toxic, like nitrofurantoin (macrobid).
Others like cipro and levaquin (fluoroquinolones) cause delayed injuries far more devastating than a common course of lyme, that normally are also irreversible. The problem is that their symptoms are so identical to those of lyme and we tend to blame the bug instead of the antibiotic. Have a look if you want to www.fqresearch.org and similar sites.
So the point should be what dose, how long and what antibiotic. And add to the formula your individual build, specially your liver metabolism, and your age, health status and weight.
Some antibiotics are quite safe long term for certain doses, given that your metabolism is OK. Some others, like the cited cipro and levaquin can have small side effects in doses of up to 750 mg/day of cipro or up to 375 mg/day of levaquin, but their toxicity is devastating, and mimicks and surpasses lymne symptoms, for doses of up to 1.500 mg/day of cipro or 750mg/day of levaquin (always talking of long term treatments).
So, before engaging in a long term program with antibiotics, it is recommended to set up a detailed plan adapted to your personal case.
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quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder: Thanks for breaking up that post, Brent, and thanks for posting it. Tracy
No problem but you'll probably have to remind me again. Those who can't read (due to lyme) are constantly reminding those of us who can't remember a thing (due to lyme) to break up the post. funny in a god this life is hell kinda way.
As to the protecting us part the epa lost all credibility just as the fda.I've just read the following. The fluoride issue is a perfect example of our gov't attitude toward the american people.
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I too, believe that LD can be cured. While I have not 'cured' myself yet, I did make a lot of progress before coming here, and now with help from lymenet, still much more good progress.
There is a wealth of information here so though we are ill, we are in a rich environment. Yes, the information is almost overwhelming. Yes, we have to sort out what is best for ourselves somehow, abx, non-abx, we have to experiment, work with professionals. But it may be worth the journey. We may become healthier than we ever imagined, perhaps more than before we became ill.
I once dealt with another unusual health obstacle that was life-threatening, and not only did I overcome it, my physical and emotional health improved. Working with LD is yet another challenge, and the things that I learn to help deal with lyme, like eating even more properly than before, exercise, etc., is still raising my health. When I do overcome LD, I will probably not change my diet too much.
I also believe that the cures will be unique to each of us, whether abx or non-abx. Someone said recently to me that it sounds like alchemy.
Alchemy? I had to think about it. Well, yes... it is alchemy, but alchemy mired in science. We follow certain protocols that have some research behind them for the most part, but how much to take, when to take, when to stop, when to add new things, other changes to make... that is alchemy. And this is especially true of lyme. It is anything but straightforward.
I do not know enough about abx cures, only because I cannot take abx due to sensitivities and so do not research abx. But, I think it is important to remain open to all possibilities on all sides and share information. And it is what is scientifically or officially accepted in this country.
Have been thinking for a long time about these issues. There is a lot to be hopeful for.
Thank you to everyone who posted here. Many good thoughts.
Claire
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Wallace,
I take it then that the Samento wasn't as good as you initially thought?
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We need to change the internal millieu so that herbs like Samento can work better. The Ph level etc. The microbe is nothing the environment is everything even Pasteur at deaths door realised this!
On treating syphilis www.oceanplasma.org shows how purified injected seawater was used in the past to treat it successfully.
Sunny thoughts, Wallace . GENERAL SYPHILIS
All by itself, and to the exclusion of any other treatment, the Marine Treatment can give first class results to the syphilitically challenged nursling. By means of its unique influence, ulcerations, if they exist, diminish rapidly; the drained appearance disappears, and right from the very first injection, the scarring process appears. With those specific nurslings that have weight retardation, as with those afflicted with commonplace hypotrophia due to undernourishment, the weight rises right away, in almost all cases. Weight improvement, however, does not always have the usual intensity. In 25% of syphilis cases, the weight increase is only 400 to 600 gr per month; at least the weight rises right away, even if it had been stagnant for a long time. At the same time as the weight picks up, we also see the height increase, as well as the frontal and parietal venous ectasia diminish. It is normal that the hydrocephalia continues its evolution during the first weeks of the Marine Treatment; but this too invariably moderates itself, as is proven by successive cranial measurements (total perimeter, biparietal diameter and antero-posterior).
The syphilitic nursling should be treated with the Marine Treatment for at least six months to a year. Conducted with regularity, this treatment progressively leads the child to a state of visceral perfection that is simply astonishing when later one looks for the taints and stigmata and when one sees how vast the extent of benefit this Marine Action really is. Infantile syphilis can be accommodated by ordinary doses of 30 to 50 grams of Marine Plasma, three times a week. Nevertheless, strong doses (100 grams of Plasma, three times a week) could be necessary. The weight increase remains the criterium of the posology.
It is possible to inspect numerous observations of specific nurslings with whom all the morbid phenomena have disappeared with one single use of seawater. But that does not mean that the Marine Method is oblivious to failure in the treatment of syphilis. In certain cases, we had only checkmates.
7. ECZEMA
The eczema lesions of children, as is the case with those of adults, respond very well to Marine Treatment. In the majority of cases (60%), the first injection of Plasma responds with an immediate but temporary aggravation of the lesion that suppurates and weeps abundantly for one or two days, sometimes three, only to dry up and diminish thereafter. The next injections follow the same pattern, a little less obviously in general, until complete disappearance of the weeping with following erythema. This definite disappearance of the morbid symptoms happens, in certain cases, at about the eighth or tenth injection, sometimes a little later; and there are some tenacious cases as well.
With nurslings, the six first injections should be practiced at a volume of 10 cubic centimeters. Stronger doses provoke sudden reactions that are too severe. These sudden reactions are without inconvenience if the eczema is located elsewhere than on the face. It is preferable to avoid these if the cheeks, the eyelids and frontal region are invaded by the lesions. The abundant weeping that can happen could reach the eyes and cause conjunctivitis. This is usually without consequence. It is better to avoid the reaction by using weak doses and by plenty of humid dressings. Keep the latter in place on forehead and cheeks.
In 40% of cases, the improvement comes right away, and without any reactional upsurge. One can see the erythema (redness) diminish, primitive weeping reduce, the lesions dry up and become like dry leaves, then pale and disappear. If, by contrast, the doses of 10 cc are not succeeded by neither an improvement nor a reaction, it would be best to proceed right away to doses of 30 cc and, if needed to 50 cc so as to promote a regression of the lesions without an acute reaction even though a reaction is always a sign of healing. In all cases, one should repeat the injection three times a week. The humid dressings should be done with boiled water and applied to the areas affected by the eczema. In every case it would be advantageous to replace the use of water by Ocean Plasma (Marine Plasma), especially on the raw lesions.
When children's eczema is accompanied by serious gastro-enteritis phenomena (i.e. choleriform enteritis or summer aqueous enteritis), one needs to hurry; one needs to ignore the eczema and apply the treatment, with massive doses to address the diarrhea and dehydration while simply dress the eczema lesions with humid dressings. One can see, in the majority of cases, that the eczema improves with astonishing rapidity. I insist on the point that the weak doses that are recommended by Quinton in the treatment of eczema have but one purpose, and that is to limit the reactional worsening of healing symptoms for facial eczema. Do not have any apprehension to apply stronger doses; their effect is more energetic and faster; one should employ these higher doses whenever there is slow improvement in acute cases or also when eczema is generally dry. The rule is to push the doses until the lesions weep under the influence of the Plasma injections; improvements can only happen under those circumstances. Quinton and Variot did just the same recommend 30 cc doses and more. Quinton only recommended the 10 cc doses later, in order to avoid the slight visual complication that can happen with children having facial eczema.
8. BRONCHO-PNEUMONIA
Broncho-pneumonia of the nursling is an affection for which the Marine Treatment seems fail; but seawater remains an interesting adjunctive remedy, particularly when the child is dehydrated by aqueous stools. I happen to have combined a special broncho-pneumonia- specific treatment to the Marine Treatment. This cannot be explained in these pages; but after one year of experience, I cannot remain silent on the remarkable success rate that the Marine Treatment has given me. Neither can one deny the fantastic effect that seawater has with children with broncho-pneumonia. When we see that the children continue feeding, even with fever, despite the most pessimistic clinical signs and finally heal without any significant loss of weight.
9. NERVOUS SYSTEM AFFLICTIONS
I think that, in the near future, it will be possible to show what immense services that seawater can provide to patients that are afflicted with diseases of the nervous system. Today, it would be premature to talk about definite assertions such as to define the limits of action that seawater might have in the vast domain of neuro- pathology. But it is possible to already state a few general facts, even if somewhat disconnected.
In all meningitis cases, seawater is certainly capable of favorable action. First of all, seawater upholds the patient's strength, his appetite, his general state. One assists, by injecting the tubercular meningitis patients with such unexpected results that, in general, happen where one would have predicted with certitude a continual and intense loss of weight. The child succumbs to the nervous debilitation, among the usual signs, but without losing any weight, without stopping to feed himself as long as swallowing is possible [this sentence is convoluted in French and possibly inadequately rendered in the English language by the translator - sorry]. One can image what kind of help can be provided for all the non-tubercular meningitis patients where one can add to a specific or general infection medication an adjunctive therapeutic agent with such power.
But there is more. The Marine Action is not limited to an eutrophic effect. Seawater has neurotrophic properties that are quite evident if one judges by the good effects that are obtained with adults in cases of neuralgia, neuritis and paralysis, as well as with sciatic neuralgia (Jarricot), with alcoholic neuritis (Plantiel), with children of all ages having enuresis [involuntary discharge of urine] (Plantier, Jarricot), and even with all those stubborn cases on which all kinds of other treatment had been tried.
In this way, we also see seawater proving itself with favorable action in cases of infantile paralysis where one can sometimes see a unilateral action, or at least a predominance that is attested by the circumferential measurement of the atrophied member and the return of mobility in those cases where function seems to be compromized forever. I can cite results of the same kind that were obtained with familiar amyotrophia, myatonia and chorea. I know of no contraindication that would prompt one to abstain [from using this treatment] due to scepticism.
And finally, how can one doubt the efficacy of this seawater action on the nervous system when one observes with one's own eyes, and in a relatively short time, the head of a nursling modify itself; hydrocephalia, for instance, to become more moderate; isocephalia cede to a shaping of the face; the entire head to stop swelling while the height continues to augment; or, by contrast, a microcephalia with a prognostic of death to improve; the brain to develop and, at the same time, the intelligence to awaken, speech to appear, and the whole psychic life to blossom
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Wallace, why don't you let us know how you are doing on the Blasi protocol - didn't you say you were starting that in another post?
I thought the Blasi product was incredibly expensive for what you get. Not to mention the fact that it isn't easy to get in the first place. I would like to hear more on that front, instead of the seawater/marine stuff.
Speaking of which, if you are advocating the use of the products you've posted about, does that mean you are taking them or plan to?
Or do you just have some nice oceanfront property for sale?
Or perhaps you have a vested interest in these products?
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I am still taking the Blasi but to little effect so I have just added the Quintons Hypertonic 4 daily as well.
Alfred Blasi originally took 20 minerals he then took a maintenance dose of the 4 minerals that are in Recup. www.alfredblasi.net.
By taking the Quintons I aim to replicate the 20 minerals he took and more!
The proportions of REcup are very similar to Seawater in terms of the 4 main minerals. I have posted on this on the Blasi yahoo site.
Offline I have been asked but the sea is polluted! Quintons has been used safely since 1897 so.... It was in the French Physicains handbook til 1999 so I have no worries...personally speaking.
What is Quinton Ren� Quinton discovered that body cells are surrounded by a liquid, or plasma, which is very similar in its mineral content and degree of concentration to geologically primeval ocean water. After years of research, Quinton was able to pinpoint the ideal geographic locations from which to collect pristine ocean water, which he then used as a number of conclusive canine experiments, he demonstrated that his version of the plasma could be used to treat humans successfully, and he supported the thesis with numerous clinical trials. As a result, many clinics were opened where treatment with Quinton Plasma was provided for countless expectant and lactating mothers, their unweaned babies, and for children and adults of all ages, who were all suffering from some form of disease or disorder. This therapy was set aside during the First World War, but in the years that followed, Drs. Jarricot, Mac�, Potocki, and a number of other physicians continued to use this form of therapy, and they proceeded to carry out further research into the therapeutic benefits of with significant results.
The development of synthetic chemistry and the advent of the Secong World War caused a slowing down in research on marine plasmas. In the fifties, however, a number of German scientists became interested in the subject once again, and they subsequently developed a system of oral administration for the plasma. French scientific interest was revived in the sixties and seventies, while the Spanish, the Italians and the Americans soon followed suit. Today, Original Quinton formulas are being used as a dietary mineral supplement with excellent results in Europe, North America and Latin America, and their potential is being viewed with renewed attention.
The concentration of mineral salts in the seas and ocean of an earlier geological era was very different from that to be found in present-day. Consequently, Ren� Quinton was obliged to overcome several difficulties and setbacks related to this fact before producing, to his own satisfaction, a version of the plasma which was virtually identical with human blood plasma and which would meet his own standards.
Today, the manufacture of Original Quinton Plasma faithfully follows the rules established by Ren� Quinton in his original research. The process also involves making use of sophisticated production equipment and state-of-the-art methods of biological analysis, in addition to stringent quality controls.
The sea water to be harvested is monitored and analyzed periodically for its quality, prior to collection, in order to avoid any possibility of pollution. The processing, which includes several stages, is carried out in a sterile environment, while cold microfiltration techniques guarantee that the plasma retains all its vitality. Each production lot is sampled, analyzed, and quarantined, then only released to the market once all the quality standards have been met.
What is Quinton | Where Quinton comes from | How Quinton is produced | What it contains Quinton Nutritional Benefits Ionic form easily assimilable by the body cells.
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I have no idea as to the worth of Mag cloride but its nice to see some appreciation of the work of Rene Quinton
Wallace
Medical Miracles from the Sea
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The secrets of the sea are miracles waiting to be discovered by medical science. The world of tomorrow will see a different kind of medicine, one that uses sea water in any of its many forms. First there is pure sea water and the health benefits that can be derived from it. Seawater contains every mineral and trace mineral known in organic form and in the proper ratios needed by human tissues. Dr. Ren� Quinton, French biologist/physiologist, proved that pure seawater is virtually identical to mammalian blood plasma. With the assistance of many eminent physicians, he successfully used seawater as a healing agent on thousands of patients in France and Egypt in the early 1900s.[i] Navy doctors successfully used seawater during the Second World War when blood serum supplies ran out.
Many disease conditions responded to injections of the diluted ocean water -- a true "marine plasma" which could re-mineralize the sick body, normalize the pH (acid-alkaline) level and balance the electrolytes, thereby correcting the underlying cause of many disease conditions by regenerating the "internal terrain", as Quinton called it.
Then there is pure sea water with just the salt removed and the Japanese are pumping it up from thousands of feet from the waters surrounding Hawaii, removing the salt, and selling it in exponentially expanding quantities to their populations living half an ocean away. They seem to know something that their western counterparts have not even guessed at. A century ago doctors in France routinely used sea water to great effect. Babies were brought back from near death from cholera and other causes; cadaver-like bodies filled out to healthy plumpness; raw, weeping skin from eczema made smooth and lesion-free, all by the power of seawater.
We also have diluted sea water concentrations that are ideal for treating children and for use in transfusions instead of whole blood plasma.[ii] And then we have sea water concentrates where not only the salt has been removed but much of the water. When we concentrate sea water in this way we end up with a magnesium chloride solution that acts simultaneously as a super nutrient and a powerful medicine without equal.
Seawater can be taken orally, can be injected, or when concentrated can be applied topically.
To use ocean water as blood plasma, it must be diluted with ultra-pure water to the same concentration as blood plasma: namely, nine grams of salt per liter. ``Just think what a safe, effective, plentiful substitute for blood transfusion would mean to the world: no side effects, no blood-type matching needed, no pathogen screening required, and it would be a true plasma with proven healing properties in itself,'' writes Dianne Jacobs Thompson in Nexus Magazine. She continues, ``As the perfect mineral supplement, it can be consumed orally in dilute form or full strength by those with no sodium sensitivities--but only in small amounts, like an ounce [0.03 liters] at a time, several times a day if necessary.''
The Greatest Miracle from the Sea
65% of magnesium metal that is produced in the world comes from seawater evaporation. Almost every element, including gold and uranium, is found in traces in seawater.[iii]
Magnesium chloride solutions gained from sea water evaporation (or by industrial pharmaceutical fabrication) offers a medical miracle to humanity, one that many have sought but have not found. Nothing short of a miracle is to be expected with increases in the cellular levels of magnesium. There is no wonder drug that can claim, in the clear, what magnesium chloride can. Approximately nine out of ten people will show dramatic improvements in the state of their health when they replete their magnesium levels and the very best way to do that is with magnesium chloride gained from the sea. With such ``brine solutions'' the concentrate can simply be applied to the skin or poured into bath water, and in an instant we have a medical treatment without equal in the world of medicine.
Hidden in each cubic mile of ocean water is enough healing power to put the pharmaceutical companies out of business.
Medical science and the pharmaceutical companies will eventually have to deal with the fact that the most powerful and universal medicine on earth is a basic nutrient from the sea and can be purchased by anyone at low cost. Magnesium is nothing short of a miracle to a person deficient in this mineral, bearing in mind that a minimum of 68 percent of the general population is deficient in magnesium, according to MIT. Application through oral, intravenous or transdermal methods in sufficient quantities will deliver medical and health benefits unimaginable by most practicing physicians today.
In today's restrictive medical atmosphere seawater can be referred to only as a "mineral drink". If the word "cure" were uttered or written in relation to a brand name, the "offence" would be legally actionable.
I have used the word miracle repeatedly above because sea water products and naturally derived magnesium chloride solutions (and even the more toxic over-the-counter pharmaceutical grade type of magnesium chloride) produce dramatic changes in person after person. So clear and observable are the effects that there is no mistake, no mysticism, no false claim made. Emergency room personnel know of this and use either magnesium sulfate or chloride to save peoples lives during heart attacks or to diminish the damage from strokes. And new research suggests that MgSO4 infusions may have a role in cerebral vasospasm prophylaxis if therapy is initiated within 48 hours of aneurysm rupture.[iv]
Vast reservoirs of magnesium chloride have been with us all along as a healing and life-giving agent, hidden in plain sight.
Medicine today is more and more frequently described in terms of science. With the origin and development of drugs and surgical techniques, modern medicine has thought itself to be evermore exact and evermore resembling the hard sciences of chemistry and physics. Evidence-based medicine promises a clearer future even though the quality of the evidence used in modern allopathic medicine is highly suspect. There is no such cloud of doubt hanging over the scientific evidence that makes it clear why magnesium would be both potent and safe. Read The Magnesium Miracle by Dr. Carolyn Dean or my book Transdermal Magnesium Therapy and you will meet researchers from all over the globe who have weighed in on the subject.
Transdermal is the ultimate way to replenish cellular magnesium levels. Every cell in the body bathes and feeds in it and even DHEA levels are increased naturally, according to Dr. Norman Shealy
There is no denying the medical power and potential of magnesium yet the medical world continues with its obtuse arrogance, still content that millions are hurt by pharmaceutical drugs that were designed more to make money than to help people. When it comes to magnesium chloride and how easily it can be safely applied, we are presented with a sad crime as professionals in responsible positions turn their back on the medical breakthrough of the century. It seems clear that medical people who have sold their souls to the pharmaceutical paradigm are no more interested in helping people than the drug companies, which can trace their reign of terror back to the concentration camps where they had doctors torturing men, women and children on a routine basis.
Magnesium chloride will find a home not only in the medical world where some fine physicians have been using it for decades, but also in the sports world, where it will be used to improve athletic performance as well as prevent injuries, and heal injuries that have already occurred. Magnesium chloride will also find its place eventually in the beauty business because when used transdermally it has a positive effect on the skin.[v]
Beauty and health are in reality highly related subjects. Rarely do we see an unhealthy person who is beautiful or a beautiful person who is grossly unhealthy. As we lose our health our beauty is diminished by the diseases we fall victim to. In ancient China magnesium is called the beautiful metal and it will bring nothing but beauty to one's life, body and skin.
In a minimum of ninety percent of clinical situations, magnesium chloride is the first substance that should be applied. It is a foundational treatment that is only exceeded by the importance of water and full hydration of patients. Its use as the cornerstone in medical treatment will eliminate the need for tens of billions of dollars of other drugs that hold dangers that are not inherent in the use of a basic mineral from the sea. When combined with other natural substances we have a natural treatment approach to medicine that is safe, effective and highly affordable.
Whether for prevention, treatment or even emergency care, non-pharmaceuticals offer humanity hope and an escape from a terrible darkness strangling modern civilization. The greatest plagues confronting humanity are fermented by the chemical and pharmaceutical industries that represent the embodiment of unbridled evil; everything mean and ugly concentrated and organized in a way that speaks of terror and terrorism that kills and hurts more men, women and children than any war ever has. Packaged and marketed in white, never has the darkness been so dark. So look to the sea, look to Nature and thank goodness that God in the end is still more intelligent than the most intelligent man.
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IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: The communication in this email is intended for informational purposes only. Nothing in this email is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice.
[i] Rene Quinton "was the first person to discern and to investigate the similarity between sea water and mammalian lymph and blood plasma systems. He endeavored to solve the mysteries of sea water and its compatibility with living organisms by proceeding to carry out several scientific experiments in hospitals. The results he obtained were dramatically unexpected, since several people who were dying regained their vigor. Rene Quinton worked in collaboration with Drs. Potocki, Mace and Jarricot, and for four years he labored at perfecting his techniques and adjusting dosages. In 1904, he released the results of his hospital experiments in a book entitled, 'L'eau de mer, milieu organique' (Sea Water: Organic Medium). The book was re-issued in 1995 because of the timeliness of its well- researched contents."
[ii] In one experiment, Ren� Quinton and his medical team drained a dog of all of its blood and replaced it with isotonic (diluted) seawater. The dog should have died immediately, one would think, but the dog lived. On day two after the transfusion, 50 per cent of the blood components had reappeared. By day four, almost 100 per cent of the missing blood components were restored in what appeared to be proof of biological transmutation (a change from one element to another). Not only did the blood completely regenerate, but soon after the procedure the dog bounced around like a puppy with greater vitality than before, and it lived for many years afterwards.
[iii] The major ions are conservative. This means that they have constant ratios, to one another and to salinity, in almost all ocean water. Sea salts have constant composition. They almost always consist of: 55% sodium ion, 31% chloride, 8% sulfate, 4% magnesium ion, 1% calcium ion, 1% potassium ion.
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Thanks for the additional info on your personal treatment, Wallace. I hope you will let us know how it goes. I don't think very many people are familiar with the marine/seawater thing, and it always helps to hear from REAL PEOPLE how they fare with something like this.
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COMPARATIVE STUDY OF THE THERAPEUTIC PROPERTIES OF SEAWATER PREPARATIONS
Andr� Passebecq
Ph. D, M.D, naturopath Jean-Marc Soulier
Ph. D, pharmacist
in collaboration with the Ocean Plasma team.
In this page... Introduction
I. Terrain
II. Internal Environment
III. Ocean Water Facts
IV. Ocean Water and the Human Organism
V. Uses of Ocean Plasma
VI. Applications
VII. Conclusion
Introduction
''The germ is nothing, terrain is everything``
Over the centuries, the medical notion of terrain* has been gaining ground and it is now considered as a key factor in the search for the primary causes of illness and the establishment of a treatment that is not only symptomatic or palliative but also truly curative.
The word "terrain" has been judiciously borrowed from agriculture. It is well known that the soil is not the inert support of vegetable matter, but that its mineral composition, microbial life, structure, pH, etc.... dramatically affect the health of crops growing on it. Similarly it is now increasingly recognized that the terrain of an individual may predispose him to a certain physiologic development, making him more susceptible to certain types of diseases.
From an anatomical viewpoint, biologist Ren� Quinton (1866-1925) who authored "Ocean Water, organic matrix" showed that the composition and structure of the organic terrain (the internal environment) presents major similarities with those of selected Ocean Waters, elaborated and packaged in a rigorous manner so as to obtain the so-called Marine Plasma (Ocean Plasma).
In this paper we intend to compare, on the one hand, the human terrain and the effects due to its imbalance and on the other, ocean plasma, its composition and vital potential. This will enable us to establish the links between human plasma and ocean plasma and to study the therapeutic effects of ocean water.
* The word terrain has been used in the French medical vocabulary to define the generic predispositions of an individual, be it from the genetic, physiological or psychic viewpoint, including his/her specific strengths and weaknesses. This concept, which has gained considerable respect in the past decades, places the emphasis on the individual rather than his/her environment in the search for the origin of his/her pathology.
I. Terrain
The word ``terrain", which is employed in various medical fields, may encompass genetic and physiologic predispositions as well as morphologic or psychic characteristics. In this paper, it is used in its physiologic sense, i.e. it is equated with the internal environment composed of various organic fluids, lymph, blood plasma, interstitial fluid, i.e. 25 to 30 percent body weight.
It is this internal environment that provides body cells with all the substances required for their survival and activity. It is also in this matrix that waste products are released. The internal environment is the focusing point of the regulatory mechanisms of the body. All these complex mechanisms interact to ensure homeostasis (equilibrium) of the internal environment: maintenance of osmotic pressure, acid/alkaline balance (pH), partial pressure of oxygen, carbon dioxide, temperature, glycemia...
To maintain a healthy body, homeostasis must be kept constant: thus a dynamic equilibrium is continuously reconstructed in the face of modifications due to the surrounding metabolism. A healthy organic terrain is the basis of health and conversely diseases develop in a depleted or congested terrain.
Upstream of most diseases there is an unbalanced terrain.
II. Internal Environment
From a strictly mineral viewpoint, the internal environment consists of an aqueous solution of electrolytes dosed at 9�. These elements are listed according to their concentration:
Mineral salts whose concentration is in excess of 1 mg/L Trace elements for which the concentration is less than 1 mg/L.
A. Mineral salts
The four most abundant cations in the body are sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium from which phosphorus cannot be dissociated. Sodium is the monovalent cation characteristic of the extra-cellular fluid (ECF) and, conversely, potassium is that of intra-cellular fluid (ICF). The composition of salts present in the ICF greatly differs from that of ECF but directly depends on the composition of the latter. The relations of the ICF and the ECF are ensured by the ion pumps of the cell membrane.
Sodium
Among the salts indispensable to life, sodium chloride is quantitatively the most important in the internal environment. Generally, it can be said that the sodium content governs the osmosis of the intercellular fluid. With potassium, sodium plays a major role in depolarizing the nervous and muscular fibre. With magnesium, sodium regulates the activity of acetyl-cholin and therefore influences intestinal peristalsis. The calcium-sodium ratio seems to have a preponderant influence on myocardial contractibility.
Potassium
Potassium directly influences the heart's actions, muscular activity and all endocrine glands. Any excess potassium or deficit thereof will cause heart disorders, insufficient or inhibited growth, a weakening of the nervous system, muscular fatigue, terrain weakening and a increased susceptibility to diseases such as rhinitis, bronchitis, joint pains, boils, caries etc. When the sodium-potassium balance is broken, intracellular potassium is replaced by sodium and hydrogen from the internal environment, resulting in ICF acidification and ECF alkalization.
Calcium
Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body, accounting for 2 percent of total body weight (TBW) with 99 percent contained in the skeleton, the remainder being in the internal medium. It is primarily an ECF electrolyte, the ICF equivalent being magnesium. The calcium rate in blood is kept constant (calcemia) by the thyroid and para-thyroid hormones and only varies in diseases of the bone like chronic rheumatism or tetany. In case of deficiencies and excess internal terrain acidity, the bones yield their calcium to the blood to maintain homeostasis and thus indirectly causing osteoporosis. Calcium comes into play during cellular "breathing", the excitability of the nervous fibre and muscular contractions. It is also involved in blood coagulation. Like other bivalent cations, it stabilizes structures.
Phosphorus
Phosphorus cannot be dissociated from calcium. Any imbalance impairs proper assimilation and fixation of calcium, resulting in delayed growth in children and osteopathies in adults. Phosphorus is present in the body in a mineral and organic form. As a mineral, phosphorus serves as a phosphate buffer. Passports plays a major role in the acid-alkaline balance, it is one of the major constituents of the body's alkaline reserve. As an organic molecule component, phosphorus is a constituent of the nucleic and ribonucleic acids and energy transmitters (A.D.P. - A.F.P).
Magnesium
Like potassium, magnesium is essentially present in ICF and only slightly present in the external environment. Magnesium plays an important role in ossification and sugar metabolism. It governs muscular contraction and is indispensable to leukocyte activity: more than potassium or calcium, magnesium constitutes an anti-pathogenic agent. It is involved in cell permeability modifications and, in case of permeability disorders, the health of the cell and therefore that of the body are greatly compromised. Magnesium deficit causes certain neuromuscular disorders, as noted in spasmophilia. In middle age (60 years and over), manifestations like loss of strength, chronic fatigue and shivering are symptoms frequently attributed to a magnesium deficit.
Interactions and balance of mineral salts Magnesium can only be used by the body if a balanced calcium-phosphorus ratio exists. Magnesium acts as a regulator of calcium fixation and serves as a phosphorus carrier. It is therefore an integral part of the calcium-phosphorus complex. Any calcium-phosphorus imbalance reduces the resistance to illness and therefore enhances susceptibility to diseases, increases fatigue, weakens intellectual faculties and leads to premature ageing. In addition, an abnormal potassium rate produces a magnesium and sodium imbalance. No salt is independent of the others as they all interact directly or indirectly with the other electrolytes.
Much more than an isolated salt, Magnesium is the general equilibrium of the saline matrix of the internal environment which will ensure proper functioning of the organism. For example, the influence of the different salts on cardiac activity evidences their separate involvement: sodium through volemia (functions of the blood) and its relation to calcium, potassium regulating cardiac automation, calcium and magnesium governing muscular contraction, etc.
B. Trace elements
Trace elements are metals or metalloids that account for a minute percentage of the organic components. However, they fulfill a number of major functions: they are enzyme co-factors, vitamin constituents like cobalt in vitamin B12, electron carriers such as iron that also forms the nucleus of the hemoglobin molecule. They regulate hormonal mechanisms (iodine and thyroid), and play a key role in immunity mechanisms (copper, manganese, etc).
The in vivo study of trace elements is delicate: reactions involving trace elements are often reversible and require specific conditions that depend upon the environment's acidity, the oxidization of the elements present, temperature, the presence or absence of other trace elements, the chaining of previous reactions (action synergy), substrate concentration, and the form of the elements present (coefficient of dissociation of salts, level of activation of ions, etc). A full scientific comprehension of trace elemental interaction will take centuries of study. No element should be surveyed outside of its own its sphere of influence. Yet, a certain number of rules governing the use of trace elements can nonetheless be stated...
a multitude of interactions: Iron can only act if copper controls its absorption and use in the organism, not to mention the fact that the assimilation of iron and copper depends on the quantity of manganese available in the organism. A massive copper intake progressively produces a zinc deficiency, etc;
activity at minute doses: One billionth of a gram of metal contains 2.5 billion atoms; one to ten atoms suffice to reactivate a molecule from an enzyme (e.g. carboxypeptidase, human cytocuprein, the maximum activity of which ranges from 200 to 240 micro grams/mol. of copper and which decreases between 240 and 400 to disappear at 675. Its content is 2 atoms g/mol (27);
importance of the form under which the trace element is supplied to the organism: The form conditions the trace element's biologic activity;
diversity of the elements needed: Most, if not all, elements from Mendeleev's Table (metal and metalloids) are utilized by the organism. Their role is either known or presumed known but it will take much more time to put all that knowledge into its proper context.
major consequences result from their deficit: For example a copper deficiency produces aneurysms, anemia, white hair, sagging of tissues, thyroidal and pituitary conditions, and genital gland disorders, fragility of bone, autointoxication (owing to enzymatic dysfunction).
Trace elements account for approximately 3 percent of the electrolytes present in the internal environment where they form an extremely complex synergy. Any synergy disturbance causes a healthy terrain to become susceptible to a particular type of pathology, as shown in Menetrier's work.
C. The pH
The internal medium's pH homeostasis (acid/alkaline balance) is one of the key factors in the organic balance. pH variation margins are narrow: from 7.35 to 7.45. Outside this ideal range, the body's activity is no longer optimal and downgrades to 6.8 (hyperacidity) and 8.0 in acute alkalosis. Beyond these limits, metabolism is greatly impaired and the death of the organism may even occur. The body's pH is kept constant by buffers present in the internal environment, that is, primarily by carbonate-carbonic acid buffers, bi- and monobasic phosphate buffers and proteic buffers.
pH is influenced by:
Metabolic sub-products: lactic acid which results from muscular activity, carbonic acid produced during respiratory movements. Diet: pH is affected by the various categories of food according to their composition and the mechanisms involved: a food which is acid owing to its composition can become alkalinizing following metabolization (e.g. acid and sub-acid fruit).
Excess acidity causes numerous health problems. Among these are:
Weakening of the cutaneous tissue: skin, hair, nails, teeth; Deterioration in the digestive tract mucosa: intestinal micro-lesions promoting auto-intoxication, rectal burns, inflamed gingiva; Disturbance of the nervous system, sciatica, tendency to depressive illness; Muscular spasms and cramps; Enhanced susceptibility to infections; Chronic fatigue; loss or blockage of certain minerals which then become unavailable.
These considerations having been being stated, Ocean Water can now be studied.
III. Ocean Water Facts
Ocean water is an extraordinarily rich and complex matrix that still possesses numerous unexplained features. Therefore, let us remember that the structure of Ocean Water remains incompletely understood. Indeed, to this day, no model encompasses all of its physico-chemical properties. In addition, the elements that compose the marine saline matrix also exhibit specific properties: for example, the coefficient of dissociation of sea salts present in the ocean water is higher than that observed in salts dissolved in distilled water, in spite of the simultaneous presence of other salts in ocean water. A 33� solution of sea salts, re-dissolved in distilled water, does not exhibit all the properties of natural Ocean Water of the same salinity.
Coefficient of dissociation of salts in ocean water and in distilled water (according to Ivanoff)
Values of solubility products (in mol/L) of salts, in distilled water and ocean water of salinity 35� (at 20�C). Also furnished are the ionic products (in mol/L) corresponding to the same salts in ocean water with a chlorinicity of 19�, at 20�C and a pH of 8.2.
In addition, most of the constituents dissolved in ocean water (except for CaCO3) are far from saturated, irrespective of the importance of the external inputs or the availability of these elements in submerged rocks.
Whatever the total saline concentration, the relative concentrations of the different ions present in ocean water with respect to that of chlorine can be regarded as constant. The complex mechanisms governing these concentrations have yet to be fully explained by science. Also, the issue of artificial ocean water reconstitution remains highly complex: chemists have to introduce certain dosage modifications associated with the stability of the elements present in original Ocean Water at a very low concentration.
Phosphorus Cycle in the Ocean (according to Ivanoff)
Phosphorus undergoes a cycle in the ocean appears alternately as an organic or mineral form: the mineralization of organic phosphorus is due to bacterial action. Conversely, inorganic phosphorus is included in the organic matter following metabolization by plants and animals, in other words, Phosphorus is present in the Ocean Waters in the form of various organic compounds in suspension or, in solution, as inorganic phosphates either insoluble or adsorbed by particulates in suspension, and first and foremost as soluble inorganic phosphate ions constituting phosphate buffers: the phosphorus concentration in the ocean depends on the balance of this cycle.
The wealth and diversity of mineral salts and trace elements present in Ocean Water is exceptional. Gregory and Overberger have shown that the marine saline matrix contains the 92 trace elements of Mendeleev's periodic table. It includes all vital nutrient salts and trace elements at concentrations ranging from 1mg/L and 10-10 (to the minus 10) mg/L. It exhibits an important buffering capability, with a pH of between 7.9 and 8.3 and a mean saline concentration of 33�.
Note in particular that all the minerals contained in ocean water are at a concentration close to that which are usually found in man's internal environment.
Concentration of elements in ocean water and their environments (per Ivanoff (7))
Element Mass
Present in 600g of rocks in mg Concentration
In Ocean Water in mg/kg Percentage % dissolved and in Suspension
Si
Al Fe Ca
Na
K
Mg
Ti
Mn
P
S
C
Cl
Sr
Ba
Rb
F
Cr
Cu
V
Ni
W
Li
Ce
Zn
Sn
Co
Y
La
Pb
Mo
Cs
Br
As
Sc
B
U
Se
Cd
Hg
I
Ag
Au
Ra 165 000
53 000
31 000
22 000
17 000
15 000
13 000
3 800
560
470
300
300
290
250
230
190
160
120
60
60
60
41
39
26
24
24
24
19
11
10
9
4
3
3
3
2
2
0.4
0.3
0.3
0.2
0.06
0.003
6.10 to the -7 3
0.01
0.01
400
10 500
380
1 300
0.001
0.002
0.07
900
30
19 000
13
0.03
0.12
1.3
0.000 05
0.003
0.002
0.002
0.000 1
0.17
0.000 005
0.01
0.000 8
0.000 1
0.000 3
0.000 01
0.000 93
0.01
0.000 5
65
0.003
0.000 04
5
0.003
0.000 4
0.000 1
0.000 03
0.08
0.000 04
0.000 02
10 to the -10 0.002
0.000 02
0.000 03
1.8
62
2.6
10
0.000 03
0.000 4
0.015
300
10
6 550
5.2
0.015
0.06
0.08
0.000 04
0.005
0.003
0.003
0.000 25
0.4
0.000 02
0.04
0.003
0.000 4
0.001 5
0.000 1
0.000 3
0.1
0.01
2 170
0.1
0.001
250
0.15
0.1
0.03
0.01
30
0.06
0.7
0.015
Percentage of elements dissolved or in suspension in Ocean Water,
assuming each kg of the latter bleached 600 grams of rocks
as estimated by geologists.
IV. Ocean Water and the human organism
A Comparison of the same composition of ocean water and organic liquids (value of organic composition from Ganong)
Comparison of electrolyte compositions in isotonic ocean water, extra-cellular liquid, blood plasma and intra-cellular liquid. The height of each column represents the total electrolyte concentration
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The comparative study of ocean water and the internal environment highlights the similarity between the mineral composition of human plasma and ocean water.
In addition, the results of treatments using correctly formulated ocean water preparations demonstrate the amazing therapeutic efficacy of such ocean water. How can this be explained? What are the links between ocean water and the vital internal environment? As a final analysis, what is the influence of ocean water on the ionic and mineral balance of the organism?
In this study, we discuss the research and therapeutic applications of Ocean Plasma as published by Ren� Quinton. His findings can be briefly summarized as follows:
1. The precursors of the first human cells were undoubtedly unicellular organisms and thus they were the ancestors of human beings.
2. These unicellular cells lived in ocean water. Their needs in terms of trace elements and mineral salts were met by solely by the Ocean Water. Also, the buffering capability of the ocean environment provided the acid-base (acid-alkaline) balance.
3. Following a great many zoological observations that will not be discussed here, Quinton maintained that, in order to ensure complete cellular development, the human organism preserved as its internal environment a medium similar to that of the oceans at the time when cellular life began.
4. Quinton demonstrated that isotonic ocean water, that is the marine liquid medium reduced to the concentration of an organism's internal environment, has remained the preferred internal environment of human and animal cells.
5. He postulated that from the mineral point of view, human and Ocean Plasma are environments of the same nature. In other words, "there is physical and physiological identity between ocean water and the internal environment of the organism``. Not only do they exhibit very similar mineral compositions but the particular form, organization and synergy of trace elements and mineral salts that make up the saline matrix of ocean water closely resemble those of the body's internal environment constituents.
6. The different assumptions made by Rene Quinton involved a whole series of facts borne out by zoological observations and experiments. Then Quinton surveyed the possible medical applications of his findings.
7. Together with a medical team, for more than 25 years, Quinton developed the famous "marine method" based on "Quinton's Plasma" or "Ocean Plasma", as an injectible isotonic solution of ocean water.
The works of physicians Jarricot, Robert Simon, Lach�ze, Mac� and Quinton, all rely on the principle of regenerating the depleted internal environment by means of purified ocean water. This results in a balanced and complete composition, so as to allow the patient to systematically reconstruct the internal terrain, the cells, and thus establish homeostasis.
The work of Quinton and his collaborators dealt with various types of cutaneous disorders, neuro-vegetative asthenias, anorexia, acute cachexia, infant diarrhea, deep dehydrations, gastro-enteritis, pulmonary tuberculosis, cholera, and typhus.
The exceptional results which were obtained from the discoveries and work of these pioneers should now be supplemented by new research. Their writings and the listed clinical cases demonstrate the great therapeutic attractiveness of Quinton's research findings and the efficacy of his method.
V. Uses of Ocean Plasma
A. Form Ocean water can be employed in a variety of ways, namely:
1. Thalassotherapy: recommends the use of ocean water in its natural state outdoors at a temperature of more or less 36�C; also based on the benefits of sea climate;
2. By injection: Ocean Plasma used to be formulated as an injectible isotonic solution;
3. By mouth: Ocean Plasma can be ingested as a hypertonic solution. Its salt concentration is that of pure ocean water, namely 33�, and it is therefore hypertonic relative to man's internal environment, the saline concentration of which is 9�. This particular form will be discussed in this paper in greater detail.
4. Colonic Hydrotherapy (Irrigations):
Ocean Plasma is added in the final phase of colonic hydrotherapy where the mucosa of the large intestine absorbs the isotonic Ocean Water within 5 to 15 minutes. According to the writings of Dr. Jean-Claude Rodet, this method is very effective to restore the internal terrain. Dr. Rodet's monograph entitled "Possibilities, advantages and benefits of ocean water in HydroTherapy" is a fine document to refer to.
5. Vaginal douche: In cases of vaginal infections, hypertonic ocean water (10 ml) has historically been used as a vaginal douche, using suitable traditional douche equipment, from 1 to 3 times daily, according to the severity of the condition. The liquid can be retained for about 15 minutes while lying down.
The results obtained depend on the quality of the preparations. Ocean Plasma is a product solely obtained from ocean waters with balance, vitality and richness in trace elements and is prepared according to processes respecting the vital properties of ocean water. The form, composition and synergy of mineral salts and trace elements has to be maintained unaltered until they are assimilated by the organism.
B. Ocean Plasma is a living medium
It is worth pointing out that living matter differs from mineral matter in its organization and not in the nature of the atoms that compose it. A living cell is basically much more than the sum of its elements. The mere dosage of its chemical components does not suffice in itself to account for the therapeutic effect of Ocean Plasma.
A good illustration of this can be found in therapeutic mineral waters; except for the elements that are abundant in it, these waters exhibit their curative properties essentially only at the time when they are drawn from the mineral water spring. These waters seem to lose their vitality quickly although all the constituent chemical elements remain unchanged.
How can we explain the specific therapeutic gain that results from the use of the trace elements present in Ocean Plasma? The assumption of "physiologic" identity between human plasma and Ocean Plasma pre-supposes a form of availability of all the elements needed by the body. This has been proven in practice.
C. Mineral salts and trace elements
The study of the internal environment highlights the interactions between the constituent salts. Their overall balance is a consideration of primary importance: each salt can only be correctly assimilated and metabolized if the internal environment is balanced. If, separately assimilated, it should be at the dose corresponding to the person's individual needs.
This shows the limitations, not to say the dangers, of a massive or excessive intake of each element. For example, according to Dr. F. Mirc�, the prolonged assimilation of magnesium salts would progressively lead to liver and pancreas disturbances. Ocean Plasma does not contain excessive quantities of unbalanced mineral salts and so is perfectly balanced and assimilable, which allows the body to regulate itself.
The assimilation of Ocean Plasma's mineral salts is excellent:
"Unintentionally, after drinking huge quantities of water from the Dead Sea, hospitalized patients demonstrated the efficacy of natural mineral salts. As we read the notes of Oren and Rapoport, we are struck by the rapid increase in the magnesium rate, the same thing being also noticed with all the salts present in the Ocean Water, Ca, Na, K. The patients assimilated Ocean Water passively but so great was its efficacy that the main problems encountered after these accidents were extreme hypermagnesia and hypercalcemia."
As in the case of re-mineralization during the intake of trace elements, the form used is of great importance. In addition, the choice of the elements to be prescribed, either alone or in combination, remains delicate. If a trace element is the main agent of treatment, it does not act on its own in the body, i.e. it needs the synergy of other elements.
These considerations highlight the particular value of Ocean Plasma in trace mineral (oligo) therapy: it is a perfectly assimilable natural synergistic substance, containing all the trace elements utilized by the body at doses corresponding to the balance of the internal environment.
These considerations highlight the particular value of Ocean Plasma in trace mineral (oligo) therapy: it is a perfectly assimilable natural synergistic substance, containing all the trace elements utilized by the body at doses corresponding to the balance of the internal environment.
D. Acid-alkaline balance
Resulting from its exquisite mineral balance, Ocean Plasma should be able to restore pH balance. The German physician R�pffer thoroughly investigated the evolution of the body's pH balance in patients to whom he had prescribed hydro-marine treatments. He concluded the following:
"For normal and alkaline organisms, an increase in acid values has been established unequivocally. Similarly for hyperacid organisms, a dramatic decrease in acid values has been recorded. No case has been remained the same. It can therefore be stated that in case of a systemic inconstant acidity, a cure of drinkable ocean water causes the normal acidity to be recovered. In particular for gastritis due to dietary errors or alcohol and nicotine abuse, remarkable results have been obtained."
In itself, pH is a basic factor of homeostasis. In addition, it should be considered in all treatments related to mineral salts and trace elements: the acidification of the internal environment causes body demineralization: once the electrolytes of the internal fluids are neutralized by excess acidity, the tissues lose their minerals. As a corollary, demineralization produces terrain acidification which in turn creates a vicious circle resulting in the degradation of the mineral balance.
VI. Application
Vital hygiene cure
Today, health care problems are legion: stress, jet lag, city life, pollution due to various causes and in found in many forms, ubiquitous refined foods deficient in most minerals, etc.
Twenty five years ago, the US Public Health Service listed an amazing number of medical services provided each year in the U.S: 50 million people were treated for allergies, 110 million patients had digestive disorders, 70 million Americans suffered from obesity, 10 million patients were seen for cutaneous diseases, 5 million patients suffered poisoning due to pharmaceutical prescriptions, 32 million individuals were complete edentates (having few or no teeth) etc. In conclusion, the report estimated that only 2 percent of the population enjoyed fairly good health. These statistics are now far greater and more serious. Most of the diseases of this 'civilized world' can be separated into two classes, according to the condition of the internal environment...
either the terrain is polluted and congested by toxins, or it is deficient or unbalanced, particularly in trace elements and mineral salts.
Ocean Plasma provides a remarkable input in mineral salts and trace elements. The entire electrolyte balance is contained in Ocean Plasma...
Ocean Plasma is complete: the 92 elements of the periodic table are present in their natural form; Ocean Plasma is balanced: mineral salts and trace elements are contained at ratios corresponding to their concentrations in the internal body fluids; Ocean Plasma is perfectly assimilable.
In addition, the effect of Ocean Plasma regarding the normalization of physiological pH has been observed many times over. This regeneration of the internal environment also greatly promotes the elimination of toxins. Given the general state of health and the impressive number of mineral deficiencies, Ocean Plasma turns out to be an essential complement to any terrain treatment. It corresponds to the mineral balance of the terrain in its physiological composition.
Asthenia and revitalization Also worthy of consideration is the action of Ocean Plasma on all types of physical and psychic fatigue related to mineral imbalance, either general physical fatigue, chronic muscular pain or fatigue due to exertion, particularly that of athletes, and nervous fatigue, concentration and memory disorders, irritability, anxiety, pessimism, sleep disturbances, stress, spasmophilia. Given these many characteristic disorders, Ocean Plasma should be the ideal 'support' for geriatric care giving.
Digestive disorders
pH disorders and excess blood toxins are generally due to an unbalanced diet and intestinal and digestive disorders: these in turn cause many disturbances like aerophagia, stomach aches, burns, cramps, colitic spasms, constipation, dyskinesia, acid reflux, diarrhea, digestive sleeplessness and hepatic problems. A symptomatic treatment is then often prescribed, using antacid drugs, laxatives, intestinal dressings, anti-migraine and various digestive drugs.
The treatments using ocean water has been effective for these conditions. K�hnau noted the improvement of the digestive system mucosa following Ocean Water therapy. Quinton and Jarricot treated numerous cases of enteritis, assimilation disorders, constipation or acute diarrhea.
It is also remarkable that Ocean Plasma regulates body fluids and therefore has an impact on dehydration problems and on the regulation of the large intestine.
Circulation problems
Because of the overall action of Ocean Plasma on the internal environment and on the digestive system, it can be employed as a balancing agent in the blood pH and a blood thinner in bloodstreams congested by toxins. In the case of hypertension requiring a salt-free diet, the balancing effect of Ocean Plasma on all salt minerals should be recommended rather than banned on account of its sodium chloride content. However, patients on a low sodium diet would still require special attention, namely Isotonic Ocean Plasma.
Cutaneous problems These problems are closely linked to the availability of trace elements and the regulation of blood and cutaneous acidity. Quinton et al., utilized it to successfully treat psoriasis, eczema, pruritus, mycosis, dermoskeletal problems and skin disorders.
Infectious disease prevention
In addition to the recognized anti-infectious power of ocean water, it is mainly the importance of organic terrain balance (B�champs: "...the germ is nothing, terrain is everything "), and the specific action of certain trace elements such as Cu, Mn, etc. on the immune system that must be considered. The medical files of the marine dispensaries clearly highlight enhanced immunity. Likewise, pregnancy and infant feeding are particularly interesting cases. Certain practitioners recommend a daily intake of Ocean Plasma during the first six months of pregnancy and subsequently during the whole feeding period. The results are often astounding!
Also, it is well-known that infants are particularly sensitive to salts and hydrous regulation. The results listed by Quinton's medical team were quite impressive.
The effect of drinking Ocean Plasma has been well established to be safe and effective and without side effects.
Behind the diversity of indications and the areas of research in Ocean Plasma lie not so much the aim to arrive at a thorough understanding of its influence but rather to observe and take advantage of the consistency of its mode of action. Dr. Jarricot wrote:
"Marine Plasma is not a serum against such and such illness but it is designed for the living cell!``
In other words, it is a product which, by its very nature, primarily contributes to the restoration of health and the suppression of disease and its symptoms. This is the meaning of the diversity and importance of its action relative to the general considerations on the internal environment.
Further points to be mentioned are the particular dosages: Historically, for doses of 10 ml of pure hypertonic Ocean Plasmas a drinkable solution, the following may be stated: the ideal dosage should be 10 ml per day over a year. Generally, if the treatment focuses on the effect of trace elements, the quantities required are not very important but regularity and the quality of intake should be carefully addressed:
As a seasonal maintenance cure, chronic fatigue syndrome, as a complement to another treatment, 2 to 4 doses of 10 ml per day for approximately one month - to be continued according to need;
Acid reflux is quickly remedied by frequent supplementation of Ocean Plasma, as needed;
For major pH and mineral salt imbalances, the dosages become more important; from 4 to 8 daily for a considerable time exceeding 3 months. It is best to consult this web site for more detailed references: http://oceanplasma.org.
VII. Conclusion
Ocean water is a living medium that offers a remarkable mineral balance relative to the internal environment of the organism: all its elements are naturally dosed in proportions close to those of the internal environment and form a highly active biologic synergy. From a therapeutic point of view, the influence of ocean water on the organism is of fundamental importance in terms of pH balance, mineral salts and trace elements.
Present studies have shown the efficacy of the method and the desirability of more research so as to better understand the interactions of Ocean Plasma and the human body. Further research should also be undertaken in order to better comprehend the organization, form and structure of mineral salts and trace elements and their interactions with the human organism.
The ocean is the birthplace of life and the medium of an infinitely rich and complex biological activity. Ocean water is also the natural mineral substitute for the internal environment and human plasma, thus opening the door to a major area of research which is particularly important in the face of the crises in public health.
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Wallace , this would find some credibility if there are ACTUAL people who can say that it has helped them get WELL .
There are sooooooooooooooooooo MANY supplements that are supposed to help us and frequently they make very little difference . Please let us know if there are folks who experience cure for this rather exotic sounding stuff that has nebulous claims ( at least to me) .
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July, 2003 -- At a health seminar, I met some naturopathic graduates students who had just come back from Hawaii. As part of their educational process they had to do a seawater cleanse or fast. The seawater used, had to be so many miles away from shore, and so many feet deep in the water. Some did well, from what I remember, some had difficulty.
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Certainly some people get better without antibiotics. I suggest you check out a list on which people discuss their experience using Stephen Buhner's protocol: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_Aid_Buhner/
Do the research and make up your own mind. Don't be scared into thinking there is only one way. IMO antibiotics cripple the body's immune system, thus leaving one defenseless.
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You are right Ellen, there IS more than one way. Probably more than two ways.
AND each of us need some things different. It is like that with most things in life. Quality, in whatever venue we chose, usually cannot be met with cookie cutter mentality.
We need to think for ourselves and work it out best we can. Remember, even the best of the docs out there are floundering with this thing. They all keep hoping for new things that will work. And some do, on some.
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Has anyone noticed bogi hasnt even responded? As his/her name suggests?
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Bogi may be back eventually.
But frankly, after the initial reception he/she got from Mr. Congeniality, I can't say as I blame her/him for seeking help and advice elsewhere.
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