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John292
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SILVER BIOTIC silver from the candia wellness center works.

DO NOT TAKE COLLODIAL SILVER

The colloidal silver is too big and will get stuck in the tiny tiny blood vessels.

You will herx from biotic silver. When I first started to take this I had to stay home for about 4 days. It was pretty rough after that going to work for several weeks.

There are other forms of the tiny silver available too.

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Feeling very good now [Smile]

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Mr (or ms) Congeniality (I can't remember who it was) deleted their initial snappy post, thank you for doing so.

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My experience is that of ALL the people I know IN PERSON (not heard of online but never MET) who have gotten better, abx has been responsible for EVERY SINGLE one WITH the exception of supplemental artemisia being COMMON with this same group EXCEPT one guy who got better using only colostrum & cats claw. This doesn't mean that this will continue to be the case- and MANY of those people with abx used herbs or supplements as wELL. But I don't know *a single person* besides the one cats claw colostrum guy who did NOT have antibiotics that helped.

The people I see who don't get well are those who jump one hting to another- and then complain about all of them- usually the poor people with gut issues with abx- I am sorry for them, I am glad I have cast iron guts. But those same people tend to be the ones who don't like Herxes- who take any worsening as a sign to stop abx instead of to keep going to get the gains...

I *DO* believe that there WILL BE some herbal successes with the Buhner protocols because he actually knows herbs very well- and I am HOPING very much to change the above in what I know of what works. There are some locals on that and I am truly truly praying they get better with it. I hope they do. But as of now, I advise newbies to stick with what I see work- and what that is is the following:

a. get treated with abx and stay on until well
b. get treated for all coinfections regardless of serology

that simple. That's the best odds!!!!!!!

And as far as antibiotics being dangerous????
For many people they aren't.

Saccharomyces Boulardii is important to take if you have antibiotic related diarrhea! You can die from antibiotic related diarrhea. We had a lovely local guy here die from that. That was an antibiotic treatment complication death. One thing I learned from doing the Lyme Memorial Page is that there are more than a couple treatment related deaths on the pages. One woman died in a heat box that was supposed to sauna her but prompted a heart attack. A few people died from infected Groshong catheters- you have to be careful with IV!! There ARE risks. One woman died from candida. Not the hot box but the others are related to antibiotics.
Then again, peopple die from treatment complications with ALL illnesses and ALL medications. People die from Viagra and aspirin and cough syrup... ANyway, I fervently believe that 9 months of IV Rocephin saved my life and I would be more than willing to risk death were I in the same situation again than to endure that hell of physcial pain and grievance. But there ARE risks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are they worth it>? Heck yes*)*!)!*)!
I think so.

Life is wonderful today for me.
7 years ago I didn't believe I would live anymore.

I am very grateful for IV Rocephin- it saved my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do believe some therapies are very HELPFUL with Lyme but not curative or restorative in a way that antibiotics are.

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what are we supposed to do if we can't take antibiotics? such as our livers which just can't tolerate them anymore.

i've been on antibiotics for over a year and every single time i'm put on something my ammonia levels, enzyme levels and everything go completely through the roof.

i had such hallunications on some meds i could not function, even at nominal levels.

i've even stayed on them when the doctor said i could not tolerate them anymore and that the danger to my system was becoming acute. if the doc says stop, i had to stop. i had NO CHOICE, either that or end up in the hospital with liver damage.

is there another choice for us???

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quote:
Originally posted by geniveve:
what are we supposed to do if we can't take antibiotics? such as our livers which just can't tolerate them anymore.

i've been on antibiotics for over a year and every single time i'm put on something my ammonia levels, enzyme levels and everything go completely through the roof.

i had such hallunications on some meds i could not function, even at nominal levels.

i've even stayed on them when the doctor said i could not tolerate them anymore and that the danger to my system was becoming acute. if the doc says stop, i had to stop. i had NO CHOICE, either that or end up in the hospital with liver damage.

is there another choice for us???

Gee I really feel for you. That is rough and I know a person that is pretty bad too. He has gotten himself into the autoimmune problem and has a very aggravated time of it. He can't even drink water any more with getting a reaction.

I was IV rochpen for a month and it did not help. I tried cat's claw too and that was okay for a while. I just haven't been able to get back up. This LD stuff just grows and grows and is sneaky. I kept thinking I was better and then I realize I am not.

This lady I met swears by the d-Lenolate from East Park Research. She takes 3 a day now and isn't herxing. I tried it for a few days and brain fogged pretty heavy. She says that at 6 per day it kills the keets and everything else that doesn't belong. She has come a long way after 25 years of fighting LD.

Take care,
John

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Feeling very good now [Smile]

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Genivieve:
Yes, there is another way. Herbs. USE Buhner's protocol. AND by ALL MEANS be SURE to take Milk THistle, Red Root tincture, and Sarsaparilla right from the start. Especially IF you have been on abx.

You certainly don't want to lose your liver. OR any of the rest of your Lymph system that gets the poisons out of your body.

Jim [Cool]

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I have found some good testimonials from France(in French unfortunately!) Its seems fairly popular with Naturopaths over there. Its new in the U.S so..there are a few at www.originalquintons.com or is it www.originalquinton.com.

This is rather long and rambling and is unaware of the 100 year history of Quintons obviously doesn't address the pollution problems in taking any old sea water but it makes a few good points.

Enjoy,
Wallace

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The Essential Health Benefits of Sea Water
A Study by John Claydon D. Hom. (first proof June 1998)


The case for regular drinking of small amounts of sea water.
The Missing Link in Nutritional and Most Other Therapeutic Modalities

When I mention to people about drinking sea water a frequent response goes something like this 'I thought that drinking sea water drives you mad', to which I reply 'I was mad before I started drinking it, but now I'm sane!'.

As any homoeopath should know, and also some of the 'lay public', a small amount of a substance taken can have an opposite effect to a large amount. This principle is taken a step further in the principles and practice of homoeopathy; e.g. the effects of a poison, such as a snake bite may be ameliorated by a higher dilution of the same. An excess, or a problem dealing with common table salt, sodium chloride, will produce a whole range of symptoms, these often include a tendency to fly off the handle at the least provocation, mental and physical tension, and fluid retention, regular sleepiness in the day, often with depression and insomnia. (These symptoms can also be due to other mineral imbalances)

It should be noted that there are many more symptoms than the foregoing related to sodium chloride, and that different individuals demonstrate some symptoms and not others. It takes someone who is deeply familiar with the symptom picture of this salt to even make an educated guess that it is involved in the patient's health/disease picture.

Taking salt in dilute form, such as a sprinkle (50 milligrams is adequate) in a glass of water, can rapidly begin to resolve the imbalance. Adding the same amount onto food will not. There are at least two reasons for this. The first is that as a substance is dissolved in water the molecules are better able to express their charge: e.g. sodium chloride is made up of a positively charged sodium and a negatively charged chlorine The greater the dilution the further apart are the molecules (once dissolved all the molecules remain the same distance apart, by a mutually repulsive charge). This changes the way the charge is expressed, and explains why a more dilute solution can have a greater effect on the body's electrical system ( the electrical and magnetic 'system' that coexists with our body chemistry is, I believe, an integral core of what has been referred to as the 'vital body', or the 'life-force' as studied by homoeopathy and all long-standing systems of healing). This also explains somewhat how homoeopathic potency works. The higher the dilution, the higher the potency and the longer lasting effect of each dose. It should be noted however that the higher the dilution the more important it becomes to 'sucuss' i.e. shake vigorously (the practice being to strike the diluting bottle firmly on a medium firm object such as a thick book, to produce a jarring effect on the solution). This process strengthens the electrical information pattern of the substance, and therefore makes it have a stronger effect on the person. (It has been postulated that rapid accelerations and deceleration's of the water molecules along with the ions of the dissolved substance, within the earth's magnetic field generates a stronger stored charge or field within the water molecules, thereby reinforcing the energetic information pattern)

In the nineteenth century William Boericke M.D., highly regarded homoeopath and writer, in his book 'The Twelve Tissue Remedies of Schussler' made some interesting comments about common salt or 'Natrum Muriaticum', as it is referred to, in homeopathic potency. He commented how taking ounces of salt daily fails to provide any of the essential benefits of salt in the body (toxic at these amounts) but that taking very small amounts in 'potency' can relieve some of the symptoms of this excess consumption, but it would have been better not to have taken the excess in the first place. All that was required was to take the minute, homeopathic dose. He also observes that 'the importance of this cell salt cannot be too highly estimated, for it is one
of the chief 'antidotes', seeing that whenever it, or any of the other cell-salts are thrown out of the blood, etc., owing to some irritating drug or other cause, the watery fluids of the body are called into play, and as Nat. Mur. is the regulator of the distribution of such fluids, a dose thereof will set matters right so far as the fluidic disturbance is concerned'. The 'other cause' he does not expand on will form one of the main themes of this article.

I have observed many times over the last few years, in myself, and others, that therapy becomes blocked , and often does not even begin, due to an imbalance or inadequacy of salts in the correct form, sodium chloride being one of a number of essential salts or ionic minerals as they are now sometimes referred to.
The longer, or more broad acting, or potent is the therapy (or 'health regime') the more likely is this typical block to manifest itself. I myself, and others have observed it to occur with the following:- broad spectrum nutritional programmes, 'Celloid Mineral' therapy (tissue salt therapy, using larger doses, yet still relatively small doses, but excluding sodium chloride), herbal therapy, (especially if using potent broad acting herb's or combinations of herb's designed to give a balanced effect), various energy therapies such as 'orgone beam', 'chi lamp' (Dr.Johanna Budwigs 'biological electron'), crystal and gem therapies, bipolar magnetic and negative magnetic therapies, 'superfoods' such as pollen, spirulina and chlorella. In short any energy or nutritional/herbal substance that carries with it the potentiality of re-establishing a higher state of order and functioning within the human system is sooner or later blocked from completing its noble task by the original or engendered salts imbalance.

In practice this is the most common, most overlooked block to all methods of impro f all the required nutrients are delivered to the cells of the body, health will result (obviously provided there are no great ongoing stresses such as great overeating, drug use, extreme stressful circumstances, overwork, lack of exercise etc.) Supplying all the required nutrients has to be done in a form that is balanced, and in the form that nature has provided, as much as possible. To date, in my opinion, there is no synthesised nutritional product that fulfils this need. However, there are several naturally occurring 'super-foods' as they have been dubbed, chlorella and spirulina are examples of blue green algae that appear to have the potential to fulfil this role. Many people attest to the health benefits of these. Chlorella is well researched at the clinical level and taken by millions of people daily, world-wide*1. It contains so many complex nutritional factors, it has the potentiality to upgrade every cell, organ, gland and system of the body. Some people do well on it, it has literally saved lives, and repaired many, yet like its cousin spirulina I have seen the majority of people who take these products to begin to go 'into healing' for a few days or weeks and then to 'lose it'. (Thereafter, an extended period of use, e.g. many months failing to have any noticeable benefit, e.g. poor sleep, fatigue, poor digestion continuing unabated.) In some cases the length of time of therapy is extended by reducing the dose to a few hundred milligrams daily, but eventually the block arrives. (These products are food and can be taken in much higher doses than generally recommended, e.g. 50 grams a day. or in the case of my healthy kitten 30 x 250 mg tablets daily and pleading for more!)

So, when such potent foods are taken, I believe, it is the sheer richness, and the complexity, of the nutritional ingredients that engenders every cell in the body into a state of better functioning. Blocked metabolic pathways are opened up, and the process of moving towards a general state of better functioning occurs. The most obvious way to ascertain if the process is moving in the right direction is the quality of sleep. Sleep should be deeper, of a more healing nature, and possibly longer, as long as the therapeutic process continues. Overall one should feel better emotionally and mentally at an early stage, although for intermittent periods, there may be some mental aberrations and adjustments due to the detoxification process, these will generally be intermittent and relatively brief. The reason for the foregoing is that in order for the body to reach a higher level of general and total health, the nervous system must begin to heal first. So, if generally on a day by day or at least, a week by week basis these (foregoing) conditions are not met, if quality of sleep has deteriorated, if you are more stressed, or more obsessive, or more anxious, then you are not undergoing a therapeutic process. You are not benefiting from your nutritional or herbal programme in an overall way, that will progress your general health, though some specific imbalances may be improved .

Almost invariably such reactions are put down to a side effect of the therapy, such as a detoxification process, not realising, least of all understanding, that there is a fundamental block in the physiological process. Detoxification should occur without stress in a way that is not generally uncomfortable, and usually involves a freer movement of fluids, such as a productive head cold, or loose catarrh, more frequent urination and or bowel movements, and an increased need and desire for water, an essential aid to the healing process. Pains/neuragias may occur briefly during the healing process but unremitting pain, obstinate inflammation, are generally signs that the healing process has been blocked.

It has taken years of frustration with my own attempts to optimise my health and seeing the same blocks occurring with patients and friends alike, (using all the various therapeutic modalities mentioned earlier), that has lead to my understanding of the essential role of sea water. The first clue came a few years ago when I found that I prescribed Nat. Mur. or sodium chloride homoeopathically more frequently than any other remedy. I began to think it was my own bias until I read that this was the most frequently prescribed homoeopathic remedy. A further clue arrived when I spoke to a David Brownie of the Institute of Geopathic Stress. He had come across a form of energy therapy called 'orgone beam'. This device supplied a basic type of energy that the body requires to function, and the device had many enthusiastic followers, with some impressive anecdotal healings. Being very interested in the field of 'energy medicine' as it is now being called, I purchased one of these devices. Trying it on myself I found that this supposed balanced energy produced a state I labelled as over stimulation or trapped energy, rendering sleep of a poor quality. Since I had only a brief exposure to the device, and had not overused it, I felt the implied claims of it being a universal healing device had fallen flat. I rang David a told him its effect on me. He said this was quite common and that he felt my brain frequency had speeded up, rendering healing, consequently, out of reach. He had found that many patients, 'M.E.' (sometimes refereed to as chronic fatigue syndrome) patients in particular, responded in the same manner. He had found that a combination of sea salt and iodine would rectify the situation. He advised the method of rubbing a couple of drops of iodine solution (This used to be known as Lugols' Reagent) anywhere on the skin daily and taking a teaspoon of sea salt twice daily. Having studied mineral therapy and homoeopathy I did not feel right about the consumption of such a large amount of salt, if this had to be extended into a regular use, and I would not feel easy about recommending this to others since there is good evidence that the potassium to sodium balance must be kept in favour of potassium, especially as a possible preventive of high blood pressure, strokes and cancer to name a few. So, I dissolved about half a pea size of sea salt in a glass of water, and sipped a couple of these glasses a day over the next three days, along with the iodine application.

I became progressively more relaxed, less 'hyper' (a feeling of being hyperactive is usually related to a preponderance of the higher Beta brain frequencies or above) with better sleep each successive night. On day four I had my second 'Orgone Beam' session for about one hour. The distinct feeling of this energy was again experienced but this time it was well integrated with a good sleep and no feeling of mental over activity. According to David Brownie this scenario has been repeated many times , i.e. is quite reproducible. It is interesting to note that the addition of salts to water considerably reduces the electrical resistance. This effect is much more marked with iodine solution, just one drop to a glass of water considerably reducing the electrical resistance. The body is as much an electrical and magnetic creature as it is a chemical one. 'Natural energies' in the body referred to in the past as Chi or Prana etc. are now widely accepted to have an electrical and magnetic component. Direct current and low frequency pulsed direct currents are measurable in and on the surface of the body. It seems reasonable to assume that mineral salts in the body not only work in the chemical organisation but also are part and parcel of the electrical system and facilitate the conduction of electrons within the body fluids. This fact is implicitly recognised in the term 'electrolytic minerals'.

It is of further interest to note that the mineral composition of the extra cellular fluid, which in a typical adult is about 26 pints, or over 3 gallons, has a composition very similar to sea water. During world war two, due to shortage in blood plasma, the use of sea water as a substitute was authorised. Looking at the mineral composition of sea salt, a typical sample contained over 99 % (dry weight) of sodium chloride, with the next most abundant mineral at a measly 0.6% (calcium sulphate). Sea water contains much higher proportions of other minerals and trace elements, magnesium at around 3.7%. Other minerals found in relatively large amounts are sulphur potassium, lithium, bromine. Minerals and the trace minerals (or trace elements as they are also referred to, the words minerals and elements being interchangeable) have many roles, each capable of performing multiple functions within the body. For example, lithium deficiency is linked to manic depression, and bromine acts as a nervine, i.e. a natural tranquilliser. It is not surprising then that along with the general role of facilitating electrical flow, administration of sea minerals, just half a teaspoon in a glass or water, has been found to rapidly calm the mind and for example, render overactive and attention deficit youngsters sufficiently reordered, to be able to learn and concentrate when all previous educational intervention had failed. 2

Sea water has a history of therapeutic use. Its application to the body, warmed and usually combined with massage, is referred to as Thalassotherapy, originating from the Greek word thalassa. Both the Greeks and the Romans recognised the therapeutic effects of sea water. The immediate general effects of warm sea water application (it can penetrate the skin more easily when warm, and enter into the blood) is relaxing, regenerative and stimulating.

The American Indians who resided in the Utah area near the Great Salt Lake regularly drank small quantities of the inland sea water. They discovered that this practice enhanced the effect of their herbal remedies. It was based on this folk use that Hartly Anderson set up a company to extract the exceptionally pure and concentrated form of sea water and to market it for health purposes. That was over 30 years ago, and many people testify to the therapeutic properties of these mineral rich waters and the beneficial effects when combined with herb's and other nutrients. The famed Poznan School of medicine in Poland found after years of research that herb's acted synergistically with minerals and vitamins, providing a superior therapeutic modality, than when minerals are not included

Visual indication that something very important is happening, and rapidly, when a small amount of sea water is drunk, has been revealed by the latest high power microscope. The microscope is a Nikon Opithat with a Naessens condenser, working at 15,000 x's magnification. The results were filmed on video camera. A drop of blood from a test subject was thus filmed. It showed clumping and stacking of the red blood corpuscles, rendering the blood cells poor distributors and collectors of oxygen. It is a condition that occurs more in older people, i.e., part of a typical health deterioration process, and also more in sick and unhealthy individuals. The individual in question then drank a small quantity of the 'inland sea' water. One hour later a fresh drop of blood was examined exactly the same way as the first one. Each blood cell was now floating independently, so that they where no longer stacked together.3

It was later discovered, using this technique, that a diet with an abundance of fresh fruits, vegetables and juices could eliminate the clumping of the red blood cells. The benefit could usually be seen within several weeks along with an increase in feeling of vitality and well-being. I personally was impressed to note an improvement in vitality within a couple of hours of my first consumption of the sea minerals or 'ionic- minerals' as they are sometimes referred to. However, it would be another three years before I more fully understood how to use sea water and the potential scope for its use as a health supplement.
The role of sea water in the conduction of the body's energies/electrons and chi has been discussed but of equal importance is to understand the role of sea water from a nutritional perspective. This generally falls outside the scope of the 'mainstream' nutritional doctrines, is ahead of it, as current nutritional knowledge is yet to catch up with the complexity of nature. I hope the following discussion will throw some light on these matters.
I remember a period of a few years when I tried one mineral and or vitamin supplement after another. I had a few books on the subject, and as my vitality and general health was below par, I carefully studied these books and took note of my symptoms. But the result was always the same. Each mineral or vitamin I introduced led me from one particular imbalance to another. Since that time about ten years ago I have met several individuals who have travelled the same path. Later I was to learn about a Dr. Plasket4

who had done some pioneering work on nutrition. He had found the same thing, that you cannot in practice, based on symptoms, apply nutritional therapy successfully by supplying individual nutrients. He found they had to be given in a group, beginning with calcium and magnesium, the ratio of these two being crucial, and a few associated vitamins. Only after a period of time should the trace minerals of zinc, selenium, iron, chromium and manganese be introduced to the average patient. This system has had some moderate success, but I found I obtained better results with the 'Biochemic Tissue Salts'. This was probably the first nutritional therapy developed which was based around minerals. It was developed by a Dr. Schussler in Victorian times; today much of his work has been proved to be correct. It is based on analysis of the ash remains of the body after cremation. All that remains are the minerals. An analysis of these minerals led to the identification of the 12 tissue salts. This analysis showed that the bulk of the minerals in the body are in the form of salts, that is they occur in pairs e.g., potassium occurs in 3 main forms i.e. with sulphur and oxygen as the sulphate, with chlorine as the chloride and with phosphorus and oxygen as the phosphate. Potassium takes up a positive charge and is referred to as the cation and the other half of the salt such as the phosphate has a negative charge, referred to as the anion.
It took Dr. Schussler many years to classify the 'symptom pictures' of each tissue salt, and much of his work has been proved this century by the work of an Australian, Dr. Blackmore, who improved on the system by supplying somewhat higher doses, since the tissue salts of Schussler were homeopathic potency, and delivered exceptionally small amounts, working probably more from the 'information' of potency than actually delivering meaningful quantities. This method of giving actual 'pharmacological' doses of the tissue salts is referred to as 'Celloid Mineral Therapy'5. This has been in clinical use for about 50 years , and has proved a consistent therapy, often giving results where other therapies have failed. It has been well established both scientifically and in clinical practice that the cation/anion pair are the physiologically preferred form of minerals. I can personally testify to this, both in my own, and my patients' reactions. By administering minerals that are in the incorrect form, i.e. magnesium without its phosphate partner, imbalances will be created. It has also been found that in any `celloid ' mineral prescription taken for any reasonable length of time magnesium and sodium (both as the phosphate) must be prescribed, otherwise imbalances will occur.
The draw-back with the celloid mineral therapy is that it is based around a practitioner diagnosing the patient's need, and this will change as therapy proceeds. It has been found that one cannot just give all the celloids, as found in the body, and expect to get results The maximum number that have been found to be effective are 5, or in some cases, less. So this is not a self help method we can use to optimise our health.
So, is nature so mean it will not supply us with a simple method of raising up our level of health towards our genetic potential, towards the 5 groups of peoples who live to typically 110-140 years? (i.e. those living adjacent to mineral rich mountain streams such as the Hunzas, Georgians and Villacambes of Ecuador)
One thing 'mainstream' nutritional research has established in the last 20 or so years is that there are an increasing number of trace elements that 'need' has been established for. It has also been established that the minerals and trace minerals work in close relationship to each other, for example, just giving one, such as Zinc will create imbalances related to manganese and copper, since these need to be supplied and work together. The problem with all this research has been the seperative analytical approach, which can only result in partial solutions, and often creating new imbalances It is obvious the tissue salt or latterly the 'celloid' approach lacks the trace minerals, and the mainstream nutritional products available, 'over the counter' lack the correct form (anion/cation pair, and therefore exclude the sulphate, phosphate, chloride) Looking at food in its natural state, especially plant juices; are these not sufficient for our needs? The short answer is no. A plant can only extract what minerals are available in the soil. Virtually all agricultural soils are mineral deficient. One thing is agreed amongst nutritional researchers: mineral deficiency is the most fundamental cause of all chronic disease, including the degeneration that occurs with ageing. Dr.Linus Pauling, twice Nobel prize winner, said: 'You clue to this was revealed with animal growth and development studies. A trace mineral complex has been produced by growing a micro-organism on coal. This method enabled all the minerals from the earth's crust, over 80, showing up on analysis, to be integrated into a 'food state' supplement. Most of these are in minute amounts, micrograms and even picograms (a picogram is one thousand millionth of a gram). In terms of the current nutritional doctrines there was insufficient quantity of any one mineral in this supplement to render benefit as a nutritional supplement. Yet young rats, fed on a poor quality diet lacking in adequate amounts of the major minerals, when also given the trace mineral product grew and developed very well, even slightly better than the rats fed a 'high quality diet'. These studies were later borne out on mink, horses and cattle.

So, the conclusion that can be drawn is that a broad spectrum of over 80 minerals present in the earth's crust are required for the assimilation and utilisation of the major minerals, such as calcium, magnesium, potassium etc. These are the broad spectrum of minerals and trace elements that are ground into fine powder by mountain glaciers before mixing in the mountain streams that supply the soils of the healthiest, longest lived people on earth.

There are three types of broad spectrum trace mineral supplements which could potentially fulfil this role. The first is colloidal. There has been quite a lot of aggressive marketing, of colloidal broad spectrum mineral supplements in the last year or so. They are fossilised remains of ancient vegetation, but unlike coal all the carbon has been removed by unusual set of geological circumstances. They are mainly composed of sulphur and aluminium, but as colloids; apparently the aluminium does not bind with the tissues and is not toxic. Since the colloids have a history of use, and have been found to be safe they have an area of therapeutic application. However, they do not appear to resolve the problem of electrical flow in the body. This is hardly surprising since it is the soluble 'ionic' salts they serve this role. Also ionic minerals enter into the cell chemistry; they are as Dr. Schussler found in the last century, the main form minerals occur in the body. There is controversy concerning this subject, since much still is to be learnt. However, false information is being given out by proponents of the colloids, such as the fact they are organic, when in fact organic minerals are those that are bound to carbon, via the proteins (otherwise referred to as chelated) as found in food. The colloidal minerals have had all carbon, all protein removed by an unusual set of geological circumstances, and are very rare in this form in nature.

Foods do contain some colloidal minerals. Colloidal minerals are composed of single large molecules or groups of smaller molecules (very fine particles) in a solid, liquid or gaseous suspension. Colliods do not dissolve in true solutions and are not capable of passing through the cell wall as in dialysis. They do not take part in the main bioelectric processes of the body.6

The second form of broad spectrum minerals/trace elements is, as mentioned, the coal-derived variety. I spent about nine months taking these on an almost daily basis. They do seem to enhance the value of food, and a quite different effect depending on what food/juice they are taken with. They seem to be 'deep acting', in homeopathic terms, i.e. enter deeply in to the life force. I found that a course of a few months was enough, and did not provide long term benefits, did not normalise the bioelectric processes as does that most common commodity, sea water, the third of the broad spectrum mineral/trace element sources.

The analytical method of identifying particular remedies for particular disorders, is in some ways, a naive and isolated way of looking at symptoms of health disturbance. As an example: in an infective crisis the natural 'antibiotics' such as propolis and grapefruit seed extract have their role, but any chronic health problem, is merely a manifestation of nutritional imbalance in its various guises, and this includes toxicity, poor immune function, parasitic infestation and so on. I firmly believe higher success can be obtained with the broad acting measures discussed in this article than using individual herb's, homoeopathic remedies, or any other form of therapist based diagnosis. Get the whole right, and all the parts will respond; nature is not such an awkward fellow after all.

Alternative or complementary therapy has suffered, in a way, like conventional medicine from specialisation. Different schools of thought, and different healing modalities, while having value in their own right, do not, as a rule, provide for the optimum basis in restoring the person's own natural healing ability. This, I believe, can only occur when all the essential nutrients and healing energy (to be discussed in a later article,) are in place at the same time. In this situation any specific remedies that are given will stand the best chance of working. Prescribing specific remedies, no matter how natural, even a mixing of balanced herb's with pulse diagnosis, is always hit and miss, and increasingly so as the population becomes ever more minerally deficient and electomagnetically stressed. Giving a specific natural remedy is like taking one shot at goal. Supplying a totality of all the required nutrients, as discussed in this article, can be likened to rebuilding the team. Success, eventually, is almost guaranteed.

Prescribing drugs or other conventional medicines for a specific symptom is often merely a removal of a symptom. Symptoms of all kinds are part of the process of the body's attempt to restore correct functioning; merely knocking them out, in the long term is an assault to the self regulatory mechanisms of the body. Dr. Hannahmen (the 'founder' of homoeopathy) stated that the suppression of a symptom with a drug resulted in two 'diseases'; the original one, still there, residing below the surface, and the new one introduced by the drug. Rather like beating a disturbed child! In the last few weeks the press has announced that progress has been made in treating cancer, with far higher success than the previous suppressive methods, using the body's own immune system. Dr. Johanna Brandit and many other distinguished researchers into
natural healing methods have known this for many years. Nature has the power to heal anything, blood, tissue and bone. After all, the body is completely rebuilt every few years, at least when we are younger; it is merely a failure in some of this natural rebuilding process that results in degenerative disease. Our bodies have their own unique history. We are all born with genetic weaknesses and taints to a greater or lesser degree, and the health, habits and diet of the parents greatly effect the outcome. Added to this are acquired assaults to our health, such as immunisations, although offering some protection to some acute infectious diseases can, many health care professionals believe, and as many observant mothers know, have long term damaging effects. The rate of 'cot-death' syndrome has dramatically reduced in Sweden since raising the age of immunisation by a few months

Added to these problems are processed foods, chemicals in the diet, lack of fresh fruits and vegetables, the suppression of the acute diseases of childhood with antibiotics. The natura paths of the past recognised the importance of allowing fever to proceed, since this clears away toxins, and builds the immune system.

The iris of the eye shows several kinds or marking and 'stainings' that display the condition of the organs, glands and tissues. As we go through life these features build up in the iris, coincident with the gradual degenerative processes taking place. Weak organs and tissues tend to act as a focus for the deposition of metabolic waste products and environmental toxins etc. It is in these areas that infection can take hold or actual disease conditions. Since the iris fibres are an actual 'map' of the body, a skilled iridologist can determine with a fair precision where the focus of a health problem is, or is liable to occur in the future. Iris diagnosis has been found to be generally far more reliable than signs and symptoms diagnosis. Of particular interest to the discussion in hand, is that a concerted health programme can reverse some of the iris markings. Cloudy and stained areas can be cleared and dissolved. Black areas, indicating where actual tissue destruction has occurred, fill in with fine white healing lines.

In short, our health is not a random process waiting to be cruelly attacked by the next virus or disease surfacing for no reason. Our bodies have a history, it can be traced in the iris of the eye, and through regenerative therapies we can 'turn the clock back' as our tissues and organs are gradually repaired and revitalised. Iridologists have noted that as this century has progressed, the typical iris is showing a greater degree of damage and toxic encumbrances. The good constitutions of the healthy 'peasant stock' are becoming rarer. Features that used to be typical in the elderly iris are now more common in the young. This coincides with, historically, a rapid increase and dramatic lowering of the ages that the killer 'chronic' diseases strike, especially cancer.

Many health care professionals feel that if this process continues along current trends the very survival of Homo-Sapiens is in doubt. Environmental pollution, both chemical and electromagnetic, food processing and latterly genetic modification of food, depletion of minerals and trace elements in the soil upon which our food is grown, are, many believe, the main threats.

I believe we can reverse these effects, both individually and collectively. From the therapeutic standpoint it seems to become increasingly more difficult to heal our patients, and ourselves, at least with single or isolated therapeutic modalities such as homeopathy or herbalism or nutritional therapy, as discussed earlier. However, I believe that if we use broad spectrum healing and regenerative methods, instead of prescribing isolated groups of nutrient, herb's, or any other remedies, if we really do take a holistic approach, and recognise the basic broad spectrum ingredients the body needs to restore itself, then the deleterious effects of our history and environment can be reversed. Hopefully then, and along with this process, we as individuals and as a race, realising how far we have been corrupted from our genetic potential, instead of wanting to manipulate and interfere with nature's bounty, will begin to help restore the planet, the flora and forna, the forests and the oceans to regain dynamic health, diversity and vibrancy.

To return to the theme of the role of sea water as a regenerative and healing substance, all, or almost all therapeutic agents supplied to try to engender the healing process, such as herb's, 'superfoods' e.g. algae, pollen, 'energy' therapies such as reakie, crystal or gem frequencies, orgone beam, magnetic therapies etc., are all to a greater or lesser extent biased toward the activating and catabolic processes of the body. This is, sooner or later, the end result. This is not necessarily the inherent nature of the applied agent. The herbal blend, or the algae, or negative magnetic energy in their essence supply a balanced package, to promote both energy, cleansing and activity (catabolic or 'yang') and on the other hand healing, repair and rest. But in practice, sooner or later, the repair side needs additional support.

In his own way Dr. Samuel Hahnamenn observed the same problem occurring. The therapeutic process would get stuck. Remedies that worked on a patient would no longer work. Often patients respond well to a remedy at first but then relapse. He identified constitutional reasons for this that he called the 'miasms'. He stated that disease, such as the venereal ones in previous generations caused a 'taint' within the life principle. (Nowadays we can understand these as genetic taints.) These taints pervert the very life processes, eventually dominating health, and in practice overcame any dedicated health measures or regimes the person would adopt. The three main miasma he identified pervert the 'life principle' thus: (1) Under functioning (The psoric miasm) (2) Destructive energy (The syphilitic miasm). (3) Tendency to overgrowth (gonorrhoeal miasm). He eventually established the 'anti-miasmistic' remedies, many of them being minerals, especially for the latter two. The psoric miasm is the easiest to treat, and is generally cleared, by stimulating remedies such as sulphur in homoeopathic potency, or more recently by superfoods such as the algae or pollen.

Many individuals are quickly, and easily activated out of any straight forward under functioning by any common therapeutic modality as listed above. But sooner or later the destructive energies manifest themselves and healing is lost. In this situation the person can spend years trying many approaches, often wondering from therapist to therapist trying to get well, usually to no avail. They react badly to everything that is tried. Even with pulse diagnosis before herb's are prescribed, or acupuncture is given, progress is still thwarted. The nervous system is usually weak, and sleeps are never sufficiently healing. This represents the typical, difficult M.E. case, but is by no means limited to this. I believe there are two main reasons for this, even when geopathic and electomagnetic stress are taken into account, as well as all the individual reasons one may analyse, such as bowel disbiosis, candida, parasitic infection. If the body is in possession of its own integrity it will infallibly resolve every symptom, factor or specific problem, that has, mistakenly been the target of our attention.

The first reason, or missing ingredient is, I believe, sea water (The major minerals such as calcium, magnesium, potassium, phosphorus, sulphur also being high in priority, this much is well known.) Genetically, our basic structure is the same as fish. Life is thought to have originated in the sea, as single- celled creatures. Then as life became more complex, more individual cells grouped together forming teams with various specialised functions and structure. Each cell has a thin wall or membrane surrounding it. Inside the cell is a chemical environment rendered suitable for the survival of the cell. Outside the cell membrane is the sea, with a different chemical/mineral composition. 'I am me', says the cell, 'I am different to you, the sea ever surrounding me, but I owe my life to you, I will absorb some minerals from you and other substances as it suits me, and in return I will let you have some back, the substances I do not want.' This assertive relationship of the cell is what maintains it's life. It maintains homeostasis across its membrane, and is kept alive and nourished by its 'mother', the sea, all around it.The situation, as far as our body cells are concerned, is basically the same, billions of cells surrounded by a sea of extra cellular fluid, of a very similar composition to the original sea from whence we came. In terms of mineral balance this is easy to see. The sodium inside the cell is low and the potassium high. The situation is reversed in the surrounding fluid, as it is in the high sodium sea. We now have to manufacture our own internal sea, to manufacture our own nourishing 'mother,' and our separate cells. However the plants and other foods we eat, unless we eat at lot of blood, does not provide us with much sodium chloride, the most plentiful mineral salt in the sea/our sea i.e. the extra cellular fluid. Plants do provide us with sodium, mainly, as the phosphate. Chlorine is supplied mainly bound to potassium as potassium chloride. Dr. Leslie Fisher who has carried on the work of Dr Blackmore in his study and clinical use of the tissue salts, as given in celloid mineral therapy, states that the body combines sodium phosphate and potassium chloride to produce, in a abundance, sodium chloride. Taking in sodium chloride in large amounts is toxic to the body, and also toxic to most plants. So we have evolved to accommodate what plants provide us with. We have to do some of our own chemical manufacturing to reproduce our internal sea, which in the past was provided free of charge. So nutrients are supplied from plants to feed our cells' chemistry. We have to convert this, as described, to produce our extra cellular fluid.

There are many creatures, including us, that seem to need a little help, or reminder, with the salts, especially sodium chloride; For example elephants are known to seek out salt deposits, to satisfy an obvious need . And possibly the human desire for salt with food is actually based on a need, but as discussed earlier in this article, I believe, it should be as nature provides, with an abundance of trace elements, only adequately supplied by sea water. (Sea salt is not sufficient in this respect.) When therapies are applied they tend to encourage cellular activity. Even when no 'energy healing' is applied, it appears that all fresh cellular activity from remedies supplied such as herb's and superfoods also produces a corresponding electrical activity. This is hardly surprising since every chemical reaction involves electron exchange.

We cannot now separate the nutritional and energetic domains. (It is my experience to date that nutritional and herbal substances promote electrical exchange in the body, but do not supply chi or biologically available electricity any where near as much as do energy sources, a) frequencies. So a situation is encouraged of poorly processed electricity and associated cellular over activity, especially of the brain. Drinking a little sea water soon resolves this situation, in a few minutes or hours if the algae doses have only been for a day or so, or over a few days if the dosing has maintained the over stimulated situation for longer periods.

So, we can catoragrise the effects of herbal, superfood, and energy therapies (when unchecked by the soluble minerals and especially sea water) as:- promoting activity, catabolism (breaking down worn out cells and food, and releasing energy from them), dehydration. These actions may be classed as 'yang.' On the other hand supplying sea water promotes:- Relaxation, rest, sleep, anabolism, (growth, repair) rehydration, healthy thirst.

It is only by providing a balance of these two main aspects, that health can be optimised. Any therapy 'worth its salt' must encourage both these aspects. By understanding the dominance of either the catabolic (yang) or the anabolic (yin) we can realise the need for the counter - balancing effects of each. For in reality the two opposites support each other: yin supports the yang and visa versa . The body cannot maintain proper catabolic activities, we cannot experience vitality and energy in the day, if there has not been a sound anabolism at night. And conversely there cannot be a healing sleep if the yang energies of the body are insufficient. So a person who has excess cellular energy, excess 'trapped' electrical energies will end up feeling worn out. (Being 'worn out' even when there is insufficient activity or stress to promote it implicitly indicates a failure of repair.) Failure of the healing, anabolic side is a common reason for much human misery, as Dr. William Phillpott7 puts it. (Typically with the weak, M.E., neurasthenic and sensitive types; whereas the strong constitutions, more often presenting the more serious under functioning metabolic disorders such as cancer and diabetes to name but two conditions, respond better to stronger measures, as they are more yang or catabolic defecient)I feel most of us are in this position today. Each day, our bodies deteriorate a little faster than they repair, and our 'batteries' never sufficiently recharge.

Although I do not recommend the use of sodium chloride on its own, but included in balance as in sea water, there follows some interesting information about the benefits of increased sodium chloride consumption. Common salt has been given a bad press in recent years, but if we look more carefully at what is known, and has been discovered, it becomes obvious that low sodium chloride diets can do more harm than good.

Professor Vijay Kakkar has conducted studies on persons suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome (some of these cases could also be justifiably be labelled as suffering from 'M.E.') He found many of the symptoms are very similar to low blood pressure, i.e. fatigue, day time drowsiness, impairment of short term memory and concentration, light headedness, increased sensitivity to light and noise, stiffness and pain in joints, muscle pain which becomes worse after exertion or standing for a long period. Feelings of dizziness, or even fainting, and feeling worse in the morning, better lying down, can be confirmatory symptoms that the blood pressure is low.
Increasing salt intake often dramatically eliminates these symptoms. The theory is that in a healthy individual salt loss via the kidney's into the urine is checked by a hormonal network involving the hypothalamus, pituitary and adrenal glands. If this regulatory system is not working (it has been postulated that this functional failure could have been caused by previous infections) then salt loss is excessive. One of the roles of common salt is to hold water, hence increasing blood volume, allowing blood to be pumped up to the brain and into the tissues in a sufficient volume to carry oxygen and nutrients to the cells. The most sensitive blood pressure test relevant to this issue is the 'tilt table blood pressure test'. The patient is strapped to a tilt table, blood pressure taken with the


patient lying down, and the suddenly the table is tilted upright and immediately another blood pressure reading is taken. If the second reading is significantly lower, then this could be an important issue to resolve. Personally if I had this problem I would find out through trial and error how many glasses of sea water a day I required, (and take a more holistic approach to bring all the regulatory systems into balance, supplying, along with the sea water, broad spectrum nutrition as discussed in this article.) The frequency of repetition, i.e. little and often is another approach, rather than larger quantities, and as discussed earlier, the use of solutions provides an electrical 'ionic' input that has a definite enhanced action than just adding to food and as discussed is more assailable. Quoting from a Mrs N. Aplleyar of Deal.. "A year ago my husband and I were feeling thoroughly unwell and exhausted. We decided to top up our salt intake. We start and finish each day with a saline drink. The effect of this has been quite miraculous. We now have much more energy and can easily walk at least two miles without pausing for a rest. We have been free of colds and flu this winter, for the first time". If you want to try this but do not have any clean sea water available, try about a pea-sized piece of sea salt dissolved in a glass of water one to three times daily.

Is sodium chloride addition to the diet only useful for those with low blood pressure and is there still a case for salt restriction for those with normal or high blood pressure? The short answer is that excessive addition of common salt to the diet should be avoided, but deliberately restricting sodium intake may be counter productive, even if you have high blood pressure.
Dr. Robert Kark, chairman of the department of medicine at Rush St. Luke Medical centre in Chicago, points out that the relationship between sodium and high blood pressure is not as clear cut as "common knowledge" tries to make it. He explains that although there is a strong evidence of a link between sodium intake and high blood pressure in part of the population, it is not a direct cause and effect relationship. Another segment of the population reacts in the opposite way. A study by Dr. John Laragh, a cardiologist at Cornell university, of over 100 patients with high blood pressure produced some interesting results. He found that severe salt restriction reduced blood pressure in about one third of the patients. In about half the cases the low salt diet had no effect on blood pressure, and in about one in five the already high blood pressure actually rose higher. This was confirmed by Dr. Lawernce Krakoff, chief of the hypertension division of the Mount Sinai hospital in New York who stated that restricting salt intake can actually make blood pressure rise.
As mentioned previously, potassium and sodium play mutually interdependent roles in mineral chemical and electrical processes. Potassium is the most water soluble of the major minerals, and since it is not added to food like sodium is, it tends to be relatively deficient. This is especially the case with processed foods, and incorrect cooking methods. Boiling vegetables, then discarding the water, will also discard much of the potassium. Potatoes contain most of there potassium in the first one eight of an inch under the skin, possibly why potato-peel soups are a folk remedy for arthritis and a general tonic. There is a real need to raise potassium levels in the diet, by adjusting our cooking methods, avoiding processed food and consuming plenty of fruits and vegetables. Drinking one or two glasses of grape juice daily is an elegant way of introducing more potassium and a wealth of other nutrients. There is more evidence linking some cases of high blood pressure to the balance of potassium to sodium .

Magnesium deficiency has been linked to high blood pressure, since magnesium allows for correct tension of the small involuntary muscles that line our blood vessels. Heart attacks, and other cardiac problems are often partly due to spasm of the arterial wall muscles and the heart caused simply by a lack of magnesium and other nutrients.

A few more facts about sodium chloride are worthy of note before widening out the discussion again. The adult body contains over 100 grams of sodium, about 30% in the
bones, 10% in the cells and 57% in the extra cellular fluid (internal sea). The main roles are (1) maintaining osmotic equilibrium i.e. the difference in ionic concentration between the intra- cellular and extra cellular fluid (the battery effect). (2) Regulating extra cellular fluid volume. (3) Nerve impulse transmission (many other minerals such as potassium, magnesium, calcium etc. are also required for this) (4) Muscle tone. (5) Nutrient transport. Typical diets contain two to seven grams sodium daily. Some populations are known to consume up to 40 grams daily. Processed foods contain quite a lot of common salt, meat products typically about 2 grams, and baked goods 1.8 grams. It is surprising, for example that bread contains, typically, half a gram (500 mgs) per slice. I found that one glass of diluted sea water, made by adding half a teaspoon of the concentrated 'Inland Sea Water' from the great salt lake of Utah, contained the amount of sodium in two and a half slices of wholemeal bread. By taking, for example two glasses of the inland sea minerals a day, in the dilution's just described, we are only consuming a fraction of what we may obtain in processed food, e.g. a few slices of bread.
So, I hope all of this helps to dissolve the prejudice against sodium chloride. It has its place, and a valuable one at that. It is unfortunate that the discovery of it's therapeutic role as part of the greater package of sea water has been downplayed by the very company that introduced Inland Sea water to the health supplement market. Marine minerals have gone along with the low sodium prejudice, and sell the bulk of the filtered inland sea water with the bulk of the sodium chloride removed. As discussed earlier all therapy, all supplemental regimes will block when sodium chloride exchange comes under stress, either by excess or deficiency. I hope, after reading this article that the founders of the otherwise excellent company will re-evaluate their stand, i.e. sea water with the sodium chloride removed is never as good as the real thing, as nature provides, from whence we evolved.


Towards a Truly Balanced Nutritional Regime Incorporating Sea Water.

As has been mentioned, the mineral composition of the fluid surrounding our cells (extra-cellular fluid) is similar to sea water, and of a complementary-opposite profile to the minerals inside the cell. Analysis reveals that this is a similar situation to sea water on one hand and the fluids of fruits and vegetables on the other hand. Fruits and vegetables contain potassium as the major mineral, and smaller amounts of sodium mainly in the form of the phosphate. Calcium is usually about twice the magnesium level. In short, fruits and vegetables contain much more phosphorus, potassium and calcium than sea water. The major 'cation' of minerals in sea water is chloride, as opposed to phosphorus in fruits and vegetables.

If we eat plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables, this should logically provide a counterbalance to sea water. However, most of us do not eat sufficient fruit to achieve proper mineralisation. I have come across many individuals that are eating a so-called healthy diet, whilst still presenting health problems and associated symptoms of mineral deficiency. As mentioned earlier, this can be partly accounted for by lack of trace minerals in the diet, which would otherwise improve the major mineral uptake at cell level. However, I am forming the opinion that the main source of minerals that we have evolved to receive are raw plant juices. We are basically fruit and vegetable eaters, from an evolutionary standpoint (our ancestors resorting to meat when climatic and geographic conditions failed to provide enough fruits and vegetables. True carnivores have shorter gastrointestinal tracts, possibly to prevent auto-intoxication.) Minerals and other plant nutrients are most easily absorbed in liquid form. So, in practice, unless we consume a pound or more of fresh fruit daily we may not be obtaining the nutrition we need.
Raw juice therapy has developed to cover this need. However, the most convenient method of consuming a sufficient quantity of juice daily is to drink one or more glasses of grape juice. The common type found in shops has been sterilised, to prevent spoiling, so is not raw. However, it can still be an exceptionally potent therapeutic substance!8 The grape is the most nutritionally balanced fruit, the red being a little more beneficial that the other varieties. A glass or two of grape juice a day, best taken on an empty stomach, best in the morning (it has been found that allowing it to mix with food in the gut, especially meat, detracts from some of its benefit) is the single best 'nutritional supplement' to complement sea water drinks. Pineapple juice is also recommended, but not as frequently. Of vegetables, the carrot (they should be organic due to the propensity of root vegetables to pick up relatively large amounts of pesticides) is the most nutritionally balanced and acceptable to the sensitive digestion. If your diet has been very low in fruits, and especially if you are frail or unwell you may need to introduce the juices slowly, e.g. just half a glass a day for the first week or so.

However beneficial pasteurised grape juice is, it must lack some factors available in the fresh raw juice. The extra 'vitality' in living plants can be revealed by sophisticated electronic measuring devices. Generally referred to as the 'aura' or bioplasmic field if you happen to be a Russian scientist, this field, interpenetrating living cells, and radiating out from them, contains some electrostatic and subtle magnetic characteristics. Does this 'vital energy' affect the efficiency of incorporation of nutrients into our cells?, and if so, can this energy be added to sterilised juices to render them more beneficial?

The author is currently investigating a simple device that improves the efficiency of nutrient absorption of, for example, grape juice. This information will form the basis of another article when and if these investigations prove valid.


Summary of a balanced Nutritional regime incorporating Sea Water


(1) One or two glasses of red grape juice daily, best on an empty stomach, and if practical before breakfast. Best sipped, and if taking more than two glasses to be consumed over a period of at least 2 hours.

(2) One glass of dilute sea water daily (a level shallow tea spoon, or two and a half mls. of sea water concentrate from the Great Salt Lake, equivalent to about 4 tea spoons of ordinary sea water, mixed with one glass of water.) This should be kept a least one hour apart from the grape juice or other fruit juices, since when mixed the effect is quite different and needs more research. If you have been taking regular herbal, nutritional or superfoods such as the algae or grasses, it is suggested you stop these for about 3 or 4 days and drink a couple of glasses of sea water daily to relive any stress (or dyscrasia as a homoeopath would say) built up by your regime. This may produce a variety of symptoms as 'decompression' takes place. Sea water relieves 'energetic' and physiological stress like taking the weight off a pressure cooker. The symptoms 'coming out' can be likened to the steam. Often there is a state of relaxation engendered by this release of 'pressure'. It is best to sip the glass of dilute sea water over a period of at least a few minutes.

(3) A superfood such as Chlorella or Hawiian Spirulina. (wheat grass, barley grass, pollen are examples of other superfoods.) These are best taken in divided doses e.g. two or three times a day. It is important to find the best dose level to suit you. If weak or frail start with minimal doses and increase gradually. If reactions are too strong, usually due to the detoxification process, stop for a day and resume possibly at about half the dose. Usually it is best to only take one superfood at a time. (Mixing superfoods with herbs will also produce powerful synergistic reactions; care and monitoring is suggested) This is because mixing superfoods often produces over stimulation and subsequent loss of benefits of all superfoods being taken. Whilst the algae may be mixed, even in this case, I feel, it is better to give the body the 'luxury' of a change. For example, if you wish to obtain the benefits of both Spirulina and Chlorella, a better result will generally be obtained by alternation e.g. one week on one and then a week on the other.

Pollen has been found to have a powerful amplifying effect on other superfoods. So when taking pollen it is best not to mix with other superfoods or broad spectrum herb's unless you are being closely monitored, or are very much in touch with your needs. In this situation the quantity of pollen and the other superfood that needs to be taken is far less than if either item were taken singly.

Propolis mixes well with other superfoods, but there will still be the amplifying effect to a certain degree. Even when separating superfoods e.g. in the morning and the evening, they will still mix in the body after a d tes sufficiently. However, there is a group of individuals that need an extra 'reminder' of the major minerals specifically attached to the phosphate radical. These include most neurasthenic (nerve and energy) types and chronic fatigue types (M.E.) Blackmores' Phosporus Compound provides an elegant intermediate solution. However, Blackstrap Molasses, will provide sufficient phosphate along with all the other major and trace elements required. (See my article The essential health benefits of the electrolyte minerals and trace element in a `food state' and in sea water)

(5) Vitamin D is relatively rare in common foods (Found in oily fish such as mackerel and kippers, cod liver oil, salmon and sardines, kelp) but is present in abundant amounts in algae, e.g. spirulina and chlorella, at higher levels than found in cod liver oil This vitamin is required to help the proper utilisation of calcium, and when deficient a person can suffer from many of the states associated with calcium deficiency even whilst taking supplemental calcium, in balance with the other minerals. Calcium has such a major role in the bodies functioning and restorative processes that without its adequate supply or utilisation the healing and regenerative process can be limited or blocked. Vitamin D is produced in the skin as a result of sunlight. Living in areas away from the equatorial zones, combined with lack of an outdoor life, especially over the winter period can therefore result in marked vitamin D deficiency. It is therefore advisable, in this situation, to supplement with a source of vitamin D. Ten micrograms daily i.e. 400 I.U. is a typical supplemental dose. It is best to stop taking a supplement e.g. in the summer or when receiving regular sunlight, as excess vitamin D can cause metabolic imbalances.

(6) Essential fatty acids. These are now recognised as being widely deficient in modern diets. The two main food sources are oily fish and nuts and seeds. Oils that are derived from seeds which are heat treated or processed during manufacture should be avoided since the essential fatty acids become damaged and tend to create free radical damage. This will increase the tendency to circulatory disorders and other diseases linked to free radical damage. This includes margarine, made popular by the false claims that it is better for you than animal fats. Any fat, animal or vegetable tends to be destructive once heated or processed (e.g. hydrogenated.) However, olive oil appears to suffer less damage when heated. It is advisable then, when frying, to use olive oil and cook at low temperatures. Use cold pressed raw oils daily and preferably eat moderate amounts of nuts and seeds daily. Personally I find, with the smaller seeds such as sunflower and linseed, it is better to grind them, e.g. with an electric 'coffee' grinder, and mix them raw with other foods, or add olive oil and use (within a day or so if covered and cool) as a nut spread or butter/margarine substitute. Essential fatty acids , as the name implies have a crucial role in well-being and cannot be obtained in quantity in the 'superfoods', although Hawiian spirulina does seem rich in many of them.

Summary of Reasons For Classifying Sea water as an Important Health Tonic

(1) It contains a wealth of minerals and trace minerals/elements, around 90, that as a group, even though many are in minute amounts, help the body to function more effectively.
(2) The form of the minerals, i.e. soluble or ionic, is the form required to pass through the membrane of every one of the billions of bodily cells. In so doing the vitality and electrical processes are rapidly normalised.
(3) The balance of minerals is as required to harmonise with the many gallons of extra cellular fluid, or inland sea. We evolved from the sea, our lymph fluid has an almost identical composition to sea water, and sea water was authorised as a substitute for blood plasma in World War Two. Sea water is therefore the most natural supplement, in small amounts, e.g. equivalent to 4 to 8 teaspoons a day as a rough guide.
(4) The daily recommended dose of sea water provides the same amount of sodium as contained in a typical one and a quarter slices of wholemeal bread. Taking common salt in a glass of water, due to ionisation potential, or electrical charge at the molecular level, will have a different effect than taking the same amount in powder form on food. Taking small doses of daily sea water is more liable to reduce high blood pressure, tension, and depression than to raise it. Taking large amounts of crude sodium chloride on food can, with some persons be part of the cause of these aforementioned problems. Clinical studies have shown that low sodium diets can actually increase blood pressure in a proportion of individuals. There is more quality evidence to indicate that an insufficiency of magnesium and potassium are factors contributing to high blood pressure and related cardiovascular problems than the levels of sodium in the diet (at moderate levels of sodium chloride in the diet.)

(5) The use of herbal remedies, superfoods, 'energy medicine' and any therapy or new regime that opens up previously closed or sluggish metabolic pathways, nervous connections, or on the energy level, the meridians, will tend to place a demand on the processing and distribution of the minerals, especially the electrolyte minerals, i.e. the salts. Sodium chloride, being the major salt of the body is placed on demand, and sooner or later will need to be supplied, balanced, as sea water, in small amounts in solution. Failure to do this is , in my opinion one of the major reasons a therapy either blocks, or is in some cases unsuccessful from the beginning.

1. 'Chlorella Natural Medicinal Algae' by Dr. David Steenblock (ISBN 09618268-0-0) Pub. Aging Research Institute is recommended reading. It also lists 185 research references.
2. Ionic Minerals - Missing Link of A.D.D. and Other Bioelectric Dysfunctions. An audio tape by Dr. Robert Anderson. Pub. by Marine Minerals, Monroe, Utah, U.S.A.
3. From an article by Dr. Robert V. Pontius DVM, Pub. Marine Minerals.
4. Dr Plasket developed the Basic Formula range as supplied by G&G Food Supplies
5. Celloid Mineral (TM) therapy is the application of the 'tissue salts' in pharmacological doses as developed by Dr. Blackmore.
6. Dr. Alexander G. Schauss Ph.D. Cell Biologist U.S.A. Atape recording of a lecture, available from Marine Minerals, P.O. Box D. Monroe, Utah 84754.
7. Dr. William Philpott, Choctaw, OK. U.S.A.
8. Article on F. Wortmans method of using Grape Juice therapeutically available-Nutrition News.


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In many Spa's in France, part of the program is taking Quintons Hypertonique

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Our Internal Sea
Thalassotherapy and the Spa


By Edy Eliza


Originally published in Massage & Bodywork magazine, October/November 2005.
Copyright 2005. Associated Bodywork and Massage Professionals. All rights reserved.


Humankind has always turned to the ocean for balance and well-being. Ancient Egyptians understood the power of long soaks in seawater. Greek philosophers Euripides, Hippocrates, Plato, and Herodotus praised its therapeutic value. The Greeks and Romans used seawater for general hygiene and physical care, and they even built temples in seawater where soldiers retreated to recover after battle or during celebrations to receive underwater massage. Today, we still desire this stress-free experience of relaxing at the seashore while our worries melt away.

But this widespread draw also holds a deeper meaning, which may be explained by the belief that life originated in the greatest depths of the sea. At the beginning of earth's existence, the only area that provided nourishment and protection from harsh UV rays was far under the surface of the ocean. Because of this nurturing environment, marine life began and flourished. Sea flora emitted oxygen that eventually led to the formation of a protective ozone layer, which allowed more advanced sea and land plants and animals to evolve. Some may say our natural attraction to the sea for healing and relaxation is a natural attraction to our origin.

In more recent history, scientific research explained this attraction by proving that seawater can indeed restore balance to the organism. At the turn of the 20th century, a French physiologist named Rene Quinton established that seawater contains all 104 indexed trace elements -- the only other naturally occurring fluid that contains all vital elements is our blood plasma. Seawater has an uncanny chemical similarity to our bodies' inter- and extra-cellular fluid, so it seems we have internally retained a portion of this compelling water. Seawater is so close to our bodies' internal environment that if white blood cells are removed from the body and placed in a sterile seawater solution, they are able to maintain normal cell function for up to five weeks, this is the only solvent that will accommodate cellular activity.

"The living organism is a sea aquarium in which a few billion cells are bathing." Quinton's quote and famous experiments exemplify the parallels between a marine environment and our internal sea.


Curative Serum
As Quinton's research gained acclaim and was backed up with evidence, the medical community began to construct a defined program of marine healing. In 1899, the first thalassotherapy center was born in the Brittany region of France.

Thalassotherapy is defined as seawater healing in a medically supervised environment as a form of preventative or curative healthcare, utilizing seawater, seaweed, marine mud, sand, and all substances coming from the sea. Throughout the last century, thalassotherapy centers have gained popularity and credibility as the most natural source of alternative healthcare, so much so, the French healthcare system partially reimburses patients who have a prescription to attend a center. Today there are more than 40 thalassotherapy centers in France alone, visited by those seeking well-being or cures for certain health conditions.

True thalassotherapy centers have a spa with a doctor on staff and a hotel structure built right on the seacoast. A plumbing system pumps seawater into the facility and distributes it to all hydrotherapy equipment throughout the center. Most thalassotherapy centers also have a large central pool filled with heated seawater where patients are advised to immerse themselves between scheduled services so they can spend the maximum amount of time enveloped in this curative marine serum.

Upon arrival, guests of a thalassotherapy center visit with a physician who performs a physical evaluation to determine what the patient will be treated for. A series of treatments can help with a wide range of conditions, which encompass stress reduction, immune system health, pain management, accident rehabilitation, depression, anorexia, improvement of circulation, prenatal and postpartum programs, cellulite and weight reduction, rheumatism and arthritis, and preventive health. A series of treatments is then created for patients to follow for the duration of their stay, lasting from two days to two weeks. The guest is now free to enjoy a daily combination of seawater body treatments administered by professional curists.

How does this single resource positively affect so many different people with so many different ailments? Trace minerals (trace elements) are vital for every chemical and enzymatic reaction taking place within the body. All cellular functions occur because of specific enzymatic reactions, whether it is an adipocyte breaking down fat for energy, a red blood cell carrying oxygen, or a melanocyte producing melanin. For each of these biochemical reactions that occur, the enzyme responsible needs some sort of cue or catalyst to begin this specific activity. These trace elements found in seawater are the catalysts that provide energy to activate the enzymes.

Balancing the mineral levels in the body is vital for optimum cellular function. Those who lack trace minerals will have sluggish cellular activity, and these lazy cells cannot efficiently perform their duties. Nutrition that is ingested by a demineralized body cannot be completely absorbed by cells and used by the body. Cellular energy is also essential to expel metabolic waste to prevent raised levels of toxicity. Cellular stagnancy causes symptoms like fatigue, insomnia, edema, slowed metabolism, poor micro-circulation, a repressed immune system, and poor cellular exchange, which lead to greater health risks and skin conditions.

By introducing a perfect combination of minerals and trace elements, we are providing the body with critical nutrients to function efficiently and maintain proper balance. When the body is balanced, it can proficiently regulate its own systems. This is an important first step for any treatment program where long-term results are sought.


Replicating the Program
Thalassotherapy is a wonderful remedy for those fortunate few who regularly travel abroad or reside in Europe where thalassotherapy is readily available. But what about the common spa-goer? These centers are nonexistent in the United States because the coastline is typically too polluted to pump seawater indoors. However, there is a way to give our clients this rich source for remineralization. The use of skin care lines revolving around ocean-derived ingredients can bring the sea and its natural therapy to the spa. Some companies have been bottling the powers of the sea for more than 30 years. The foundation of such a treatment line should provide necessary tools to focus on replicating a thalassotherapy program in a spa environment. Allow-ing your client to splash around in a sea recreated in the hydrotherapy bath will automatically alleviate feelings of mental and physical stress and fatigue, while physically improving skin conditions such as eczema, psoriasis, severe dehydration, and acne. Even if your clients' primary goals do not fall in these categories, remineralizing the body before starting any other program (i.e., contouring, cellulite, or antiaging) is imperative for
optimal results.


Concentrates
Processing can make or break a wonderful thing.
It can determine the potency, freshness, and efficiency of the entire treatment. Seawater that has been freeze-dried is the best choice, because this processing technique preserves 99 percent of the biological actives present in fresh seawater. (Dehydrated ingredients only maintain 5 percent to 50 percent of the actives, depending on the processing temperatures.) Freeze-drying also proves to be the most effective way to ensure that stringent purity standards and shelf life are maintained, since 99 percent of the moisture content in seawater is removed. When moisture is left in a stored material, it creates a perfect breeding ground for contaminants. Aside from seeking a freeze-dried product, also look for seawater concentrates that are partially desalinated to promote true cellular balance and avoid dehydration. Once the ideal product is found, giving spa guests the sea is as simple as adding water.


Warm Treatments
Using seawater in a heated skin or body treatment is ideal. When warmed to 96-102 degrees F, the minerals become ionized or negatively charged and are absorbed rapidly by positively charged skin. The body benefits from ionization during a warm bath treatment or body wrap, but the skin must be first immersed in seawater for 15-20 minutes. In order for the cells to completely absorb and utilize minerals that pass through the skin, the wrap or bath phase must be followed with a 15- to 20-minute relaxation period. For estheticians wishing to incorporate thalassotherapy into a facial treatment, vaporizing equipment can be used to heat and pulverize the minerals into a fine mist sprayed on the skin before applying a final mask. The minerals balance the skin and increase receptivity, while simultaneously administering an inhalation to remineralize the body via the lungs. This is also a great way to detoxify a smoker's upper respiratory system.

To truly follow the thalassotherapy philosophy, it is important to have a thorough client consultation to identify the program goals, client receptivity, and commitment level and to adapt a treatment series to the client's needs.

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The French say, "One week at a thalassotherapy center will bring six months of good health." The concept of thalassotherapy has made a big splash lately and offering a treatment program that revolves around this unique philosophy will help to clarify the facts versus fads for all of your clients. After just one treatment, a difference will be noted physically, emotionally, and mentally. For long-term balance, a one-week program of seawater treatments is advisable, to be repeated twice a year or as necessary. With the availability of spa-replicated thalassotherapy, well-being is no longer a journey.


Edy Eliza is a New York-based public relations specialist.

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quote:
Originally posted by geniveve:
what are we supposed to do if we can't take antibiotics?
is there another choice for us???

My naturopath doc has been curing all types of diseases such as Fibro, CFS, even ALS. While he may use traditional abx it's as a last resort.

The main weapons he uses is IV colloidal silver, Cats claw, detoxing, chelations if needed, and vegan diet. I can only do vegan "light".

This imo is the only sane way to go about this. If after this treatment the patient is still sick he then throws traditional abx into the mix. His track record is very good. So yes...plenty of choices.
good luck

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John292, everybody seems to claim something different about silver. I don't know what to think anymore.

And I'm one of those weirdos who doesn't believe that a herx means that something is ``killing ketes''. I just can't find any real evidence to support the theory of what a herx is. It is certainly evidence that something is happening, but I'm just not sure WHAT.

Maria, the moderators deleted the post. They deleted part of my initial post, too, when I made reference to Mr. Congeniality's behavior. But they left all the appropriate conversation in tact, which I really appreciated. In this case, the moderators didn't allow one person to ruin the whole thread for everybody else. Good call, in my opinion.

Wallace, you've posted some very important information regarding tissue salts and `blocked therapies'. I believe this information is right on. I've been adding ionic minerals from Utah and a small amount of sea salt to my drinking water for over a year now, and I don't think I'm absorbing a thing. In fact, I feel that the ``imbalance'' is worse than ever.

I recently got a product that contains all of the tissue/cell salts - 'The Twelve Tissue Remedies of Schussler' - in a special formulation, and I should be starting that product soon. This formulation may not be something I need forever, but something that I need right now to open up some of the blocks I am encountering.

Also, I believe we are seeing more advanced ``miasmatic'' influences now than ever, and this was all becoming clear to Hahnemann and the early homeopaths over a hundred years ago.

If anyone has read some of the information over on the salt/C treatment website, they postulate that mankind has drastically reduced his intake of salt in the last 200 or 300 years. So many food items then were preserved with natural salt (before canning or refrigeration was possible) that most people consumed 10 to 20 grams of the stuff a day. When we stopped using natural salt as a preservative, did we open the door to all kinds of microbes to take up residence in our bodies? It makes you wonder.

Now, I'm not sure these seawater products are the only answer, but they certainly could be of benefit once we start to realize the real importance of the mineral/salt balance for optimum function of most body processes.

Wallace, speaking of ``blocks'', I cannot read some of what you post because it is in large blocks of text. Many of us here with Lyme cannot read posts like that, as I'm sure you know by now. When you post information, you might consider breaking up the larger paragraphs so that more people can read the text. [Smile]

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Hey Truthfinder,

I used colloid silver for many years to treat sinus problems or at least what I thought was a sinus problem. Heck I haven't had sinus problems in years since I got LD.... but that is another issue.

Then when I got candida I started to use the silver er...a the "Biotic silver".

That is when I learned all silver is created equal some is smaller and will not get stuck in the really small blood vessels. That makes sense to me.

What do you take now? Why not give the d-lenolate a try? Don't mind me I just like to tell people what to do. Well serious I met this older lady a few weeks ago, she has had LD for 25 years or so and she swears by it. She has seen many people take it and knows the effect.

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Nov-08 NutraMedix, BurBur Pinella WORKS, Japanese Knotweed, d-Lenolate, ALC, Was on Salt/C 1.5 yrs ended in 06
My brain is working better!!

Feeling very good now [Smile]

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Tracy

I have to say I am sceptical that your tissue salt will work but I hope I'm wrong. We are too toxic.

I am thinking of leaving my homeopath and trying the Buhner protocol

I wont post any more(for now!!! unless I find something new!)on seawater but if interested you should carefully read www.originalquinton.com including the two articles published in Explore magazine which are on acrobat. This addresses the issue that marine plasma will address methylation issues common with chronic lyme/CFS. There is even a video for the cognitively challenged.

Klinghardt has his KM23 but I hate machines so I am looking for another way to change the terrain and I am a Francophile so...Quinton...

Salt works so why not seawater!

I agree with Klinghardt that long term continual use of Salt/C is a bad idea

I always appreciate your interest in my posts Cave!

Sunny thoughts,
Wallace

BTW The best book on Seasalt by Jacques de langre extolls the benefits of Quintons marine plasma.

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wallace said:

We need to change the internal millieu ......
The Ph level etc. The microbe is nothing the environment is everything even Pasteur at deaths door realised this!


i'm finding this point a very important part of continued recovery over the past year, among other things.

thanks for all the interesting posts on sea water.
i love reading from the 'old MD's' work.
pre-pharma.

i think there is a goldmine of info in how docs treated illness before medicine became industrialized.

i'm not saying antibiotics are not important, they are in many cases - but when it comes to healing the whole person - and staying well into the future, i believe firmly that many of these so called "alternative" focuses on wellness are critical. imperative.
many of them were dropped and/or 'run outta town' by the big business side of medicine - NOT because they weren't effective.

the "need" for synthetic "medicine" whenever you are sick or in pain became blown way out of proportion, to the point of doing great harm --
and what used to be mainstream care became "alternative".

but when you really look at it, good "alternative" care is using the most simple and basic concepts in supporting/treating the human body.

it is nice to read discussion on these ideas.

i would say the reason why some folks have the idea that the ONLY way people get better from chronic Lyme is ABX (alone) --
is in part because most people practicing effective alternatives don't want to go through the hassle of posting their ideasd and experiences on the board, becuase the ideas are often challanged and even ridiculed.

i hope to see more discussions like this.

i also hope GiGi returns, because many of us lurking patients who are seeing results from
changing body ecology and other "alternative" therepies counted on her information.

i also hope that more of us can come out of the closet and share the ways in which we are improving on these methods freely.
it's our fault too, she should not have been standing out there alone, or should i say, there should be more of us making these topics 'mainstream' on this board.

i've never understood the line drawn in the sand between alternative and allopathis care when it comes to chronic Lyme disease.

no doubt it is a whole-body, full-system focus that is required to get well from these illnesses.

me personally, i went from antibiotics - which i believe i required at that time, and improved with ..
to intense alternative nutritional/immune modulating/detox/organ cleanse/herbology/daily intake of natural foods and beverages to resore the body's healthy ecology -
on to classical homeopathy.

i'd love to be able to talk about it -
but am not near as strong as GiGi at that, plus
i have allot of other things on my plate right now.

mo

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quote:
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Mo said:

Some really great stuff!


ditto [Smile]
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Beautifully put Mo. Totally agree.

Gigi has been a star here.

The pictures of before and after treatment at www.truthquest2.com and www.oceanplasma.org are amazing and show old fashioned medicine at its best.

Thousands of people on the continent used to be treated this way across marine clinics throughout EUROPE

There are many ways to change the terrain - rife, sunshine, you name it. I am certainly not being dogmatic here.

Dr Klinghardt is a good example here of learning new things and taking up Buhners herbs.

We all need to keep learning and asking questions to live in this toxic planet that we have made for ourselves!

Sunny thoughts,
Wallace

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GiGi = Star - I agree
Things here on Lymenet are much less bright now without her.

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Where has Gigi gone?
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See her good bye on Jan. 10th in General Support.
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She got tired of all the negative people that were constantly challenging the information she freely shared. In the end, we all lose.

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I found the "terrain" discussion interesting. One thing I heard about terrain regarding growing bacteria was on a DVD on Royal Rife.

He was an excellent bacteriologist and the one thing that stuck in my mind was that he said he could grow bacteria in both an Alkaline medium and an Acidic medium. Different bacteria depending on the medium. But he never could grow anything in a neutral medium.

He grew bacteria 10,000 times or more but he never could grow anything in a neutral medium.

To me, that means keeping healthy is more of a matter of not allowing your body PH get either alkaline or acidic. Sounds easy enough but I do not know if your body easily changes its PH. Mine is darn near neutral but it does not seem to vary no matter what I do or eat.

Just a thought.

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Wallace,
Unless you know someone who has been turned around by this product , this is a big waste
and very annoying to sift through. I fail to see the significance or value of this information .

Do you know hoy many millions of supplements are marketed to desperate sick people?

Personally ( she said kindly ) I would hesitate to tout any product unless I knew of someone who experienced REALLY favorable results .

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Wallace,
Unless you know someone who has been turned around by this product , this is a big waste
and very annoying to sift through. I fail to see the significance or value of this information .

Do you know hoy many millions of supplements are marketed to desperate sick people?

Personally ( she said kindly ) I would hesitate to tout any product unless I knew of someone who experienced REALLY favorable results .

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I have just ordered the sequel to this book but this book by Stepen buhner looks good and relates to some of our previous discussion.

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The Lost Language of Plants, by Stephen Harrod Buhner
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HerbalGram. 2003;60:72-74 � American Botanical Council (Buy This Issue)


The Lost Language of Plants, by Stephen Harrod Buhner. Chelsea Green Publishing: White River Junction, Vermont; 2002. 325 pp., softcover, includes index, references, bibliography, resources. $19.95 ISBN 1-890132-88-8.

When I picked up this new book by Stephen Harrod Buhner, I was not sure if it would resemble The Secret Life of Plants (by Peter Tompkin and Christopher Bird: Harper & Row, 1973) or a 300-page account of one of my favorite documentaries The Private Life of Plants: A Natural History of Plant Behaviour (by David Attenborough: Princeton University Press, 1995). Not only was I mistaken on both accounts, but I found myself pleasantly surprised with the content of The Lost Language of Plants. I believe Buhner's book is more of a cross between the immortal Silent Spring (by Rachel Carson: originally published in 1962, 40th anniversary edition published by Houghton Mifflin Company, 2002) and learning first-hand about herbs from the likes of Dr. James Duke (author of The Green Pharmacy, Rodale Press, 1996).

Not one to mince words, Buhner gives the pharmaceutical industry both barrels from his shotgun, accusing them of fueling the current antibiotic resistance crisis and being one of the larger polluters of the environment. As a clinical pharmacist practicing natural pharmacy, I agree that antibiotic abuse and misuse is the main reason why bacteria resistance is a global issue. But we have to recognize that antibiotics have saved millions of lives and helped immensely with the longevity of the human species. The golden age of antibiotics may indeed be coming to an end, but most people would not want to abandon their use in the face of emerging disease from "the hot zone." Buhner may or may not agree.

Buhner stands on much firmer ground when attacking the pharmaceutical giants in the area of synthetic hormones. These female "xeno-estrogens," (mostly derived from forty years of birth control pills and hormone replacement therapy use) are negatively affecting the environment in a myriad of ways. He sites a Canadian study where white perch in the Great Lakes are becoming unisex after three weeks of direct exposure to estrogen. Estrogens such as Premarin, Prempro, and synthetic hormones from birth control pills are some of the most commonly prescribed drugs in the industrial world. The deluge of problems they are spawning include low sperm count in men living in industrialized nations, increased cancer risk among women due to estrogen dominance, an earlier onset of puberty in young girls, and environmental havoc regarding the sex organs of fish, reptiles, and amphibians. It is truly a disaster in the making. I wish Buhner would have written an entire chapter on environmental "xeno-estrogens," but he did an admirable job exposing the environmental toxicity caused by a cocktail of other drugs such as anti-depressants, chemo-agents, and even personal care products (non-prescription drugs).

In addition to being an environmental medicine book and a pharmaceutical-beware book, The Lost Language of Plants does a good job explaining the chemistry of plants and herbalism. Buhner states, "using herbs in the healing process means taking part in the ecological cycle." He proves this point with both compassion and scientific expertise. Drawing on traditional Native American wisdom and believable modern-day research, Buhner wants to reconnect the reader with the natural environment, even making a plea for children to feel the earthly impulse which he calls "biophilia."

As I finished reading this energized and heartfelt book, I was reminded of the many hours I sat with indigenous healers and shamans in the rainforests of Africa, and Central and South America. These remarkable men and women believe that the plants speak to them in a language that they can only hear when in a trance or dream-like state. When they encounter an illness or a disease in the village with which they are not familiar, they often wait until the specific herb, tree or vine that holds the cure "speaks" to them in a dream. Buhner says it well when he writes that plants are our teachers and healers and have a language that we have long known.

Filled with hundreds of exotic and fascinating quotes from masters such as Goethe to a litany of contemporary environmental and natural-healing authors, the book reads quickly like a suspense novel. It is not difficult to recognize that the ancient knowledge and wisdom of the few remaining indigenous healers with the ability to "speak" to the plants is at a dangerous precipice. One can only hope that our modern society can somehow garner this language skill, which is likely within each of us, and discover the plant medicines akin to healing diseases of humankind, and hopefully save the ecosystem in time. Stephen Harrod Buhner is an experienced writer who exemplifies impeccable research and knows how to keep the reader in suspense. His writing style is elegant and you sometimes get the feeling that you are reading poetry. Buhner best sums up the importance of his book for the generation of the new millennium by evoking a simple logic: "herbalism is based on a relationship between plants and humans, humans and planet."

- Daniel T. Wagner, PharmD, RPh, MBA

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[Note: The Lost Language of Plants received a 2003 Nautilus Award in the Ecology/Environment category from NAPRA, the Network of Alternatives for Publishers, Retailers & Artists, which honors books that contribute significantly to conscious living and positive social change. The NAPRA website notes, "Buhner's warnings about the truly frightening hidden ecological cost of the pharmaceutical industry are framed within a love song for medicinal flora. As he inspires his readers to a passionate appreciation for the wisdom and inestimable value of plants, he also demonstrates how to open one's heart to the great wound that is our separation from the natural world."

Further, ForeWord Magazine bestowed a silver Book of the Year Award to this book in the Environment category . This award was established to increase attention to the literary achievements of independent publishers and their authors, based on editorial excellence and professional production as well as the originality of the narrative and the value the book adds to its genre.]


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Hey Wallace,

I do tend to think that the smallest silver particles are best, and I think the concentration of the silver is important, too. But there is one mfg. who claims that you have to have the BIG particles in order to kill anything. And both sides of the isle seem to have logical explanations for their claims. That's the problem. I'm not sure how far we can use our logic when it comes to stuff like this.

Right now, I'm working with a homeopath (NOT a Naturopath or herbalist or whatever else is out there), and I have to be careful about starting anything new, simply because it becomes very difficult to tell WHAT is having an effect on the body, which is a key element in homeopathic treatment. False feedback can really hinder the process.

As to the d-Lenolate, I've tried to find out some more info on it. For instance, WHY is it a patented product? What makes it different than other olive leaf extract products?

Now, hearing about your lady-friend's success with it is very helpful. I've read some testimonials, but those are a dime a dozen. I want real feedback from real people. I want to know the whole story: lifestyle changes; other products or treatments they are doing; treatments they have tried in the past; their worst symptoms when starting the product, etc. That's the only way to evaluate it, for me.

Well, I'm not sure the tissue salt therapy will work either, but it is something my homeopath agrees I should try. I also have the individual salts so I can ``tweak'' my own combination if I need to.

And it will fit well with the other homeopathic remedies I am taking.

I'm not sure your seawater therapy will work for you, either, but at least we are willing to try some different things to see what happens.

Whoa, you are seeing a homeopath? Are you sure that is the right word? Are you seeing a ``classical homeopath''? If so, name a couple of homeopathic remedies you have taken. There is SO much confusion about WHAT homeopathy is.

Mo, I agree with what you said.

And I'm real sad to hear about why GiGi left the board. I was hoping that she simply wanted to spend more time enjoying her life.

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Wallace,

If you have not yet seen the video, An Inconvenient Truth, please do so. Pay close attention to the CO2 - "new" pathogens part. That video will shock you.

Since we KNOW Bb alters its protein coat in response to temperature, pH and CO2 levels, I found the above quite DVD especially interesting!

Also, if you have not yet seen the video, First Do No Harm (with Meryl Streep), it is excellent too. A child with non stop seizures was cured using a diet...a very specific diet...ketogenic. It is based on a true story.

We HAVE all the nutrients in plants and animals to heal us. But the danger lies in not realizing the impact of "taking them apart" (searching for the "active ingredient" in them).

There are multiple nutrients in say, garlic. Selenium is one, but selenium does NOT work "ALONE". It is the massive COMBINATION of nutrients in garlic that is so vital.

The body is very complex and the interplay of the various nutrients...minerals, sugars, vitamins, amino acids, water, oxygen is mind boggling.

Whenever we talk about ONE specific nutrient, we have to stop and look at the "big picture"...how it will interact with OTHER nutrients as well as its impact on a PARTICULAR pathogen?

For example, if d-galactose (a sugar, positive charge) increases oxidative stress (free radicals which damage the mitochondria/DNA), it would theoretically be absolutely essential to replace the antioxidants AT THE SAME TIME. CoQ10 in enormous doses were given to Parkinson's patients, but not CoQ10 alone...vitamin E was given also...and selenium.

Yes, we need that sugar - d- galactose (and many more), but apparently Bb is capable of breaking it down (genetic proof). d-galactose needs Na to be carried into the cells and apparently Na also carries choline into the cells, which we KNOW Bb needs. This is disrupting the Na-K pump. With glycolysis speeded up as a sugar loving pathogen utilizes sugar = less ATP. Not good for us.

So now we have less ATP and Na is stuck IN the cells, when K, is supposed to be in there. The cellular pumps are broken.

A LONG time ago, a doctor named Pierre Delbet indeed found that Na combination can destroy a number of pathogens, but then he found Mg combinations work even better.

The acception to the above is HIV. That virus USES Mg, not Mn. There are always "acceptions". All of our gram negative pathogens are missing acids. Most of our worse pathogens are gram negative (multiple cell walls), but the exception is anthrax, which is gram positive.

Exceptions to "rules".

I believe we need to carefully watch the body's response to determine what is needed to fight.

We KNOW Mg levels drop as the stores of Mg look to come right from our muscle stores at the outset of this disease (% drop is identical). We KNOW the powerful antioxidant, vitamin E is depleted in lyme as it comes out of our fat stores. Logic would say, this is happening for good REASONS....likely the body needs those specific nutrients to put up battle.

I believe the body is trying hard to fight...to save us, and if necessary, it uses all sorts of complex back up routes to do so. If our OWN antibodies are damaged (fab portion), the body will find another way to decrease the infection while, at the same time, protect the vital organs. Up goes TNF alpha.

To maintain our pH (hydrogen) the body will use glycogen (from foods or fat storage) to react with acids or the minerals to react with the acids).

Glycogen + acids (lots) -> hydrogen.
Minerals + acids (lots) -> hydrogen.

Little positive charge + lots of negative charges -> hydrogen.

The kidneys can be damaged if the system is too acidic. Those cells (kidney) maintain our pH. Ultimately, the body HAS to call for its biggest reserves of a mineral...calcium. It WILL come right out of the bones...which isn't good, so other things kick in to counter/react with the Ca - vitamin D goes up, estrogen levels, etc.

If I see any potential problems with a drug or a supplement or a treatment, my intention is to make you AWARE of them so that you all may make your OWN informed decisions.

If this is perceived as ``being negative or challenging anyone's information'' that is indeed unfortunate. I welcome debates (based on current knowledge from multiple sources). I think we can learn a LOT from SHARING INFORMATION even if it is something we don't want to hear.

I do not consider it a personal affront. I want all the information possible BEFORE I make a decision.

My goal is and has been and is to find a CURE, not merely relief of symptoms. But above all I pray to:

First do no harm.

I did not intentionally challenge Gi Gi personally, but did challenge the INFORMATION she posted. I see a potential problem with giving ONLY d-galactose. Not to mention the relative unavailability of this supplement (only available in Germany, only made by a company in Italy).

Genetic information we now have at hand to analyze the pathogens provides us with INCREDIBLE information. Now we know which paths they take, what they need to ``survive''. Bb's paths are very complex. VERY.

To suggest that ONE nutrient, a specific sugar, is capable of healing so many diseases is unlikely, IMO.

The way I see it, it is a COMBINATION of very specific nutrients. The Meyer's cocktail is a combination of nutrients. Valletta's patent, ``Magnesium for Autoimmune'' is a combination of nutrients. Our own body response to Bb was a combination of many nutrients, but especially Mg (which works with B vitamins) and vitamin E.

What this all boils down to is pH. The potential of hydrogen. Hydrogen does go right into the cells, but it must be carried along to reach the powerhouses...the mitochondria.

Cancer cells have very few mitochondria left -very few powerhouses. As new cells are made, they have FEWER mitochondria. They should have more, but as a defense...are they making fewer so that the infected cells will die SOONER?

This is aging, this is the result of disease (ongoing exposure to so many pathogens) or ongoing toxic exposure. Oxidative stress = too many free radicals (most are lone oxygen molecules) which do tremendous damage -> premature aging, early death.

While we must have oxygen to survive it also is leading to our demise. We need O2, but must have OH also. H2O + O (damaging)...so fast, really fast...send in more hydrogen!

Once again...this is about our pH.

We are most acidic at death. But yes, being too alkaline isn't good either, but we are supposed to be SLIGHTLY alkaline. It is only in an alkaline environment that our NK cells can work to directly target precancerous cells by ``squirting'' them with a ``negative charge''. Highly targeted.

Enough for now...

Ancora Imparo.

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From a herbal school associated with Buhner

Wallace

THIS IS ANARCHO-HERBALISM
Thoughts On Health and Healing For the Revolution

Laurel Luddite (used by permission of the author)


My medicine chest is a council of bioregions, with representatives gathered together as I make my way around the world west of the Rocky Mountains. The Coptis root was picked out of the churned-up scar left by an excavator, at the retreating edge of the Idaho wilderness. The tiny amount of Pipsissewa leaves came from an ancient grove above the Klamath River just feet away from where the District Ranger sat on a stump talking about his plans to cut it all down. I am drying Nettles from the California creek where salmon die in the silt left after a century of industrial logging.


Every jar holds a story (often a ghost story of dying ecosystems and places gone forever). I am honored to have known the plants in their home places and to have studied their uses as medicine. But for people not lucky enough to roam throughout the wilds, purchased herbal preparations such as tinctures may be the link back to this sort of healing.


Like so much in this consumerist society, it is easy to ignore the connections between a bottle on a shelf in some store and a living, growing plant out in the world somewhere. It can be hard to know if the plant grows a mile away or on another continent. There is much to be said for reconnecting, for educating ourselves about the herbs we use and gathering our own medicine when we can. That's how we will be able to build a whole new system of healing � one that can support our movement away from the corporate power structure that medicine has become.


The development of a new medical system, or the recovery of ancient models, will be another link in our safety net when industrialism fails. It will keep us alive and kicking out windows now in the system's last days when so many people have no access to industrial medicine. And it will reestablish our connection to the real medicine that is the Earth.

An alternative to "alternative medicine"

The sort of herbal medicine popular these days (presented to us by the media and so-called green capitalists as yet another exciting fad) has brought with it very little thought of a new way of healing. The plants, reduced to capsule form or, worse, to their "active ingredients", are just new tools to work with in the same body-machine that industrial medicine sees people as being. They become no different than pharmaceutical drugs or a scalpel blade: something to pry into the body-machine with and use to mess around with the parts. Except of course much less effective, because the herbs have been taken out of the system of healing in which they have their strength.


When the marketers of herbal products get their hands on a new "miracle cure", it can mean extinction for the plant. This is especially sad when so many living creatures go into useless products or are wasted on conditions that they don't treat. (Has anyone else seen that Echinacea shampoo?) The classic example of this is Goldenseal, Hydrastis canadensis, a plant close to extinction in the wild. It has a couple of amazing actions in the human body but has mostly been marketed as a cure for the common cold, which it will do almost nothing to help. By the way, the largest brokers of wild-harvested Goldenseal and many other big-name herbs are multinational pharmaceutical corporations. Given american society's obsession with herbal Viagra, weight loss pills, and stimulants, most of the herbs on the mass market are being sacrificed to these ridiculous causes.


There is an alternative to "alternative medicine". Southwestern herbalist, author, and teacher Michael Moore probably said it best in one of his recent digressions from a lecture: "In this country, the herb business mostly revolves around recently marketed substances with new research, and it comes from them to us. Whereas we're trying to establish as much as possible (in this "lower level" if you will) the fact that we need to create a practice and a model that's impervious to faddism. We're trying to practice in a way that derives from practice rather than from marketing. Not from above to below but from below around. Bioregionalism uber alles. Keep it local. No centralization because centralization kills everything."


Herbo-primitivism


So we need another way of looking at our bodies and the plant medicines. Seeing the two as interconnected and in balance is new to industrial culture, but in reality it is the most ancient healing model on earth. We knew it before we were people. Animals know how to use plants to medicate themselves. Their examples surround us, from dogs eating grass to bears digging Osha roots. Probably every human society has had some way of explaining how the body works and how plant medicines work in us.


One thing all herbalists know - dogs and bears included - is that a health problem is best treated before it begins. In more primitive societies where people have the luxury of listening to their own bodies it is easy to spot an imbalance before it turns into an acute disease state. This is where herbs are most effective. They work at this sub-clinical (and therefore invisible to industrial medicine) level of "imbalances" and "deficiency" and "excess".


This old/new healing system is subtle and requires a lot of self-knowledge, or at least self-awareness. It uses intuition as a diagnostic tool. Emotion, spirituality, and environment become medicines. The spirit and environment of the plants we gather affects their healing properties, and our relationship with those plants becomes very important.


Green Herbalogy


When we take herbal medicine we are taking in part of the plant's environment. Everything it ate and drank and experienced has formed the medicine you're depending on, so you better make sure it gets all the best. When we are healed by plants, we owe it to them to look out for their kind and the places where they live. Traditional plant-gatherers often have a prayer they recite before they take anything from the wild. I usually say something along the lines of "OK, plant. You heal me and I'll look out for you. I got your back. No one's gonna build over you, or log you, or pick too much while I'm around." So this true herbal healing system has at its heart a deep environmentalism and a commitment to the Earth.


The bioregional concept is important to this model of healing. Plants' actions in our bodies are really quite limited by the chemicals they can produce from sunlight and soil. For every big-name herb on the market cut from the rainforest or dug from the mountains, there is most likely a plant with a similar action growing in your watershed. Some of the best medicines to maintain good health grow in vacant lots and neglected gardens around the world.


Anarcho-herbalism


A society of people who are responsible for their own health and able to gather or grow their own medicines is a hard society to rule. These days we are dependent on the power structure of industrial health care - the secret society of the doctors, the white-male-dominated medical schools, the corporate decision makers with their toxic pharmaceuticals and heartless greed and labs full of tortured beings. That dependence is one more thing keeping us tied down to the State and unable to rebel with all our hearts or even envision a world without such oppression. With a new system of healing, based on self-knowledge and herbal wisdom, we will be that much more free.


Offering a real alternative health care system will help to calm some people's fears about returning to an anarchistic, Earth centered way of life. There is a false security in the men with the big machines, ready to put you back together again (if you have enough money). What is ignored is the fact that industrial society causes most of the dis-eases that people fear. Living free on a healing Earth while surrounded by true community and eating real food will prove to be a better medicine than anything you can buy.


What steps can we make now towards creating this new system of medicine? We all need to learn what we can about our own health. This can be through training in one or more of the surviving models of traditional healing and/or through self-observation. How do you feel when you're just starting to get a cold? What kinds of problems come up repeatedly, especially when you're stressed out? If you're a womyn, how long is your cycle and what does the blood look like? Understanding how our bodies act in times of health can help us recognize the very early stages of dis-ease when herbs are the most useful.


People who have some background in healing (in the traditional or industrial systems) can be a great help to those of us just learning. Healers who are working to form this new model, whether collectively or through their individual practices, should keep in mind that commitment to the Earth and a decentralized form are central to truly revolutionary medicine.


In these times of change, everything is being examined and either destroyed, rebuilt, or created from our hearts. Industrialism has affected every aspect of our lives - we are just starting to realize how much has been lost. Medicine is just one part of the machine that we have to take back and re-create into a form that works for the society we will become. Every herb, pill, and procedure should be judged on its sustainability and accessibility to small groups of people. We can start with ourselves, within our communities and circles, but should never stop expanding outwards until industrial medicine rusts in a forgotten grave, a victim of its own imbalances.

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wonderful info (and thoughts) on this thread!

re: classical homeopathy:
yes, i have learned as well that all my herbal
stuff needs to be put aside while using the remedies.
even things like ointments and herbal teas can interfere.

i'm also supposed to quit coffee, but that is something i have NEVER complied with on ANY therepy, no matter how strongly advised [Razz] , and don't see myself doing so anytime soon.
hope it doesn't interfere too much.

really interesting medicine. i wonder if cellular ecology work would compliment homeopathy. i'll have to ask the doc.

i know edgar cayce's work and ideas are said to be a good match - and one thing he emphasized was
the importance of neutral PH.

mo

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Tracey.

I love homeopathy, classical,complex,bioreasonance etc but I think the evidence of this board is that Buhner is on the right track. Have you read his book?

Sunny thoughts,
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i only began homeopathic treatment after a long road of other, including abx and allot of cleansing and herbs.

who can say for sure, but my own intuation tells me my body may not have reacted as well to the remedies without the previous treatments --
but that is just my guess.
i too think Buhner's understanding of the disease is excellent.

mo

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Personally, I think there is something kind of magical about the possibility of ocean and sunlight (Blasti) having a strong impact on our health. Add plants to that and we have a spectrum of natural elements.

It is interesting to think about the possibility of being surrounded by healing agents.

Claire

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http://www.publichealthalert.org/Feb%2007%20PHA.PDF.pdf#page=6

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I still have questions about how to safely unload neurotoxins/mercury with Buhner's protocol, but alot of his stuff is being effectively used by other docs/tx centers in combo with detox.

And some people (males, younger people, people who have been sick less time, better genetic detox capabilities) can more easily kill kooties without risking brain/organ damage from moving too quickly.

I'm learning slowly to listen to my body and believe it even if an expert tells me contrary info.

There's a verse in an old manuscript that says that the "leaves of the tree (of life) were for the healing of the nations".

I believe that natural herbs have more potential to heal and balance without the damage of synthetic drugs, though I use both when herbs/supplements aren't enough.

But no pill or herb will make up for a bad diet, a wounded heart, a lack of exercise (to tolerance), and clean air/water/thoughts as much as possible.

My opinion/experience.

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Hey Wallace [hi] Just a thought, instead of some of your posts that are literally 2 feet long, due to the article length, maybe you could just post the link and an important paragraph or two.

I'm not saying that your posts aren't worth reading, it's just that it makes for a really long scroll to get to the next post and it happens numerous times on each thread.

With a hyperlink, in a flash we are taken elsewhere, without stretching this thread out sooooooooooo loooooong.

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Mo, I've read some HUGE discussions about coffee and homeopathic remedies. For the majority of people who use it in moderation, there just isn't a problem. In sensitive individuals, it can interfere. If your remedies are working, then don't worry about it. The same goes for herbs, teas, and essential oils. I quit using the oils on principal because they are so aromatic, and I have heard of cases where they blocked the remedies.

I've wondered about homeopathy and Rifing/microcurrent treatments, too. No one seems to know much about that. I think Hulda Clark talks some about using her zapper along with the h. remedies, but I would advise caution when using two distinctly different ``energy'' protocols. They may neutralize each other rather than compliment each other.

And I think you are probably right about the remedies working better because you did some cleansing and detoxing beforehand.

Even trying to do much detoxing while taking h. remedies can confuse a case, and exhaust the vital force. Some homeopaths agree with this, and some do not.

Wallace, I think Buhner is onto something, and there may be merit in the products you've mentioned. But if you are really seeing a homeopath - someone whose practice consists of at least 85% homeopathy - then just be sure that you and your homeopath are on the same page with this.

I have Buhner's book and haven't even opened it. It is important that I learn to work with the remedies and become familiar with my current reactions before even attempting to start anything more. I would be doing myself a disservice if I approach this otherwise.

The very first thing I need to do is clean up my diet and lifestyle some more. Get my pH in order (I haven't checked it for awhile). The bad habits creep back in and tend to stay there.

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I know a few things about Rife therapy. It is all we use for my wife's Lymes currently. Samento and Cumanda worked for a while but it lost its effectiveness just like most any other antibiotic.

When this happened we needed something else to kill the Lymes and Rife seemed logical, if it really worked, since it does not seem to push Lymes into dormancy.

The bottom line is we were going to rotate between Samento Cumanda and Rife to keep the Lymes guessing about what was coming next. We found that the Rife therapy was all that was needed. It works steadily without interfering with our lives. We use it about once a week and if she gets any joint pain. Only occasional joint pain is left now and it quickly goes away after treatment.

I understand the skepticism about this treatment as I am as skeptical as anyone. But we have used it for a couple of other ailments as well and it is hard to argue with the results we see.

I have never used a zapper as I am still skeptical about Hulda Clark. But, as with other things, there may be some truth to some of her ideas as well. I just have not done enough investigation to feel comfortable with it.

Anyone thinking about using Rife tratments really should read Bryan Rosner's book on Lyme Disease and Rife Machines. I just got it and I was surprised how well written and understandable it was. I learned a few new things also. There is quite a bit about antibiotics as well.

I have no interest in selling any Rife related products. But I hate to see people suffering and I think it is in any Lymes victim's interest to consider this option, especially if nothing else is working for you.

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Bergy:

Just a helpful thought: There is NO S in Lyme D.

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Wallace, I think Buhner is onto something, and there may be merit in the products you've mentioned. But if you are really seeing a homeopath - someone whose practice consists of at least 85% homeopathy - then just be sure that you and your homeopath are on the same page with this.

I have Buhner's book and haven't even opened it. It is important that I learn to work with the remedies and become familiar with my current reactions before even attempting to start anything more. I would be doing myself a disservice if I approach this otherwise.

The very first thing I need to do is clean up my diet and lifestyle some more. Get my pH in order (I haven't checked it for awhile). The bad habits creep back in and tend to stay there.

Tracy

Tracy:

HAVING the book does you NO GOOD AT ALL. You NEED to read it, then act on it. AND I sure would not wait to do any cleanses. My system sure is NOT clean, by any means. I am a sugaraholic. I know this is not good for me, but IT is MY vice.

The herbs STILL help tremendously. ANd I DO mean tremendously. I would have been dead long ago without them, to be sure. I have been close to death several times in my life, and I KNOW when I am near it.

YOU won't get better until you practice what you know. AND knowledge is power. BUT ONLY IF you actually USE IT.

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JimBob,

Thanks for the comments.

It IS helpful to know that you are a sugaraholic and the Buhner herbs still do wonders for you. Good to know. Any protocol that WON'T WORK at all if you have any vices probably isn't in my future. I'm never going to get it perfect or become a ``purist''.

Trying to combine homeopathy and any other protocol is similar to the problem of combining ``hot and cold herbs'' that you were kind enough to bring to our attention. Willy-nilly combining is not smart and usually not productive.

I bought Buhner's book with a lot of reservation. The reason is that I have NEVER tolerated herbs very well. Most of them constipate me, for starters, and to top it off, the caps/tablets usually stick in my throat and then my chest burns for 18 hours. And that's even when I eat FOOD to wash them down with.

You've mentioned that at one point, you were taking like 78 capsules a day. This was NOT encouraging. A few years ago, I was taking 48 pills a day - no herbs, just other supplements - and I felt like I was going to explode from the sheer volume.

I don't react to things like you do. I bought some Sarsaparilla tea awhile back thinking that was something I could perhaps work into my regimen. I drank a cup one morning and was totally nauseated until noon.

I ordered the C-Salts you speak so highly of because even Ester-C causes me constipation. The first thing that happened was a lot of GI pain and distress. The second thing that happened was that every time I took a dose of the C-Salts, I started sneezing and my nose started running. *sigh* So, I'm working with the C-Salts, trying to become accustomed to them. I've about eliminated the runny nose thing, but I still have adverse GI reactions, at times.

Why did the C-Salts eliminate your stomach pain, but cause me GI distress? Obviously, our systems are different.

I got some Devil's Claw (? I think that is the herb), something that worked well for you joint pain. Then I found out it can be constipating to some people, so it is just sitting there.

I herx (heart problems) on Samento, and can't even take Cumanda for the same reason. Will I react to the whole Cat's Claw herb? Probably.

I'll quit here, but there are a lot of people out there who do NOT tolerate herbs well, and I am one of them. So, I'm not discounting Buhner's protocol. It just may not be right for every person out there.

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Scott,

Interesting interview, interesting she was so positive about Salt/c. I missed more emphasis on dental problems contained in Dr k's other work.

I think Dr K is a genius but I do have one problem with him. I think ART is total baloney.
My homeopath demonstrated to me that just by changing his conscious intention he could come up with any result he wanted to via muscle testing. Yeah I know ART is not any old muscle testing ....its whatever and the ART therapist is totally "clear". The only "clear" people I know are God and a couple of Angels. We are fallible human beings and ART is just the lastest attempt for the Doc to play God.

I know all ART therapists are angels and never would want to make money out of this "gift" but human nature being what it is.... well there is certainly a risk here.

Can ART be proved scientically to be 100% accurate? Have their been double blind trials to do precisely that????

No, and they never will happen. Until then I think I am entitled to remain a sceptic.

I saw Dr C of Texas practise this(I think he is ART trained) and it was just a party trick but its not serious medicine.

Thankfully Buhner doesn't indulge in this nonsense.

If I saw Dr K or his disciples I would say try using your intuition rather than ART. Would I be shown the door?

Dr K is a treasure but this is his achilles heel. And ART is a emperor that has no clothes and needs to be said loud and clear.

BTW I prefer Dr K being a flawed genius there are the best kind- more human!

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Tracey et al

I have told my homeopaths assistant that I want now to combine Buhner herbs with homeopathy.

I have been told fine but I should bring the herbs to be "tested" for their usefullness. Testing involves puting them on a machine- even weirder than ART and no more reliable in my view.

So the fragile ego of my homeopath may not like it but it can be done if you make it clear that is what you want to do.

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I have not posted for a while - a lot going on.

In any event, we have been seeing some positive movement with my wife's treatment. She was really very sick about a year ago and, after a 2 month runaround, finally found a LLMD who put her on IV antibiotics. She responded pretty well, but it was really doing a job on her gall bladder. She decided to come of the IV after 3 months and, unfortunately, did not do much else for a couple of months.

Her symptoms got worse again and she started what is essentially Buhner's (sp?) protocol. This is helping her a lot. She is having more good days than bad and the bad days are not as bad as they were a while ago. The LLMD told us on the first visit that this is the way to measure progress.

Over the last year, I have come to the conclusion that:
1 - There is no "one size fits all treatment"
2 - IV antibiotics for as long as someone can tolerate them is a key to knocking the bacteria out of your system.
3 - Once off the IV, it is critical to continue building up your immune system through herbs, supplements, etc. Unfortunately, my wife did not do this immediately after coming off the IV...We both wish she did.
4 - Accupuncture once a week has been a real help with joint pain, etc.
5 - Just recently, I read somewhere on this Board about detox footpads. Interestingly enough, they seem to really work for my wife. She has used them for a week and then stopped. She felt worse after stopping and started using them again and is feeling much better.
6 - Finally, there is no magic bullet. This is a long term process and you need to be persistent.

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I did three years of traditional abx & other treatments. It got me in partical remmission for which I am grateful. My stomach did finally give out & I turned to rife aprox 7 months ago. And I still take handfuls of supps too.

The rife has been able to hold my progress. And each time now when I feel myself relapsing I rife and it does seem to help.

In the beginning months I did herx quite alot from rife. But now when I rife I have shorter herx's & do feel better.

Tincups detox tea recipe ha also helped most with the detox along the way.

Not sure rife only would have pulled me back from how ill I was, but it seems to be holding me now.

Can't say for sure weather its the 3 years of abx that brought my germ load down and or hitting some of the co's that did it. But never in 20 years have I been able to go this long without abx and not take a dive.

Knock on wood.

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Hi Tracy, I will answer AFTER each of your paragraphs with ## after yours and ### after mine.
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JimBob,

Thanks for the comments.

It IS helpful to know that you are a sugaraholic and the Buhner herbs still do wonders for you. Good to know. Any protocol that WON'T WORK at all if you have any vices probably isn't in my future. I'm never going to get it perfect or become a ``purist''.
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How many can be a purist. WE are ALL imperfect, therefore NEED something that will work regardless. I KNOW I would do much better IF I could stop this sugar addiction. HOPEFULLY someday. I quit smoking way back in 1970. Quit drinking any amount a year before that. So I HOPE to be able to quit the sugar thing SOME day.
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Trying to combine homeopathy and any other protocol is similar to the problem of combining ``hot and cold herbs'' that you were kind enough to bring to our attention. Willy-nilly combining is not smart and usually not productive.
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One thing I have learned recently: That Buhner does NOT subscribe to that old chinese tradition of the hot and cold herbs. HE uses what HE feels works for the pathogens at hand. I agree Willy-Nilly is NOT the way to go. BUT, his Protocol+ are not that in any way.
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I bought Buhner's book with a lot of reservation. The reason is that I have NEVER tolerated herbs very well. Most of them constipate me, for starters, and to top it off, the caps/tablets usually stick in my throat and then my chest burns for 18 hours. And that's even when I eat FOOD to wash them down with.
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IF you have a constipation problem take Nettle ROOT it will help you in THAT department. The ROOT, not the Nettle Leaf. I just learned that yesterday.
LIQUID is better for "washing down" than food. [Big Grin]
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You've mentioned that at one point, you were taking like 78 capsules a day. This was NOT encouraging. A few years ago, I was taking 48 pills a day - no herbs, just other supplements - and I felt like I was going to explode from the sheer volume.
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At another point, I was up to 93 capsules a day. I was also taking Red Root and Periwinkle tincture, AND still do. Plus the C-Salts.
The capsules at max only filled a little one ounce shot glass. So that volume is NOTHING compared to what food we take in in a day.
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I don't react to things like you do. I bought some Sarsaparilla tea awhile back thinking that was something I could perhaps work into my regimen. I drank a cup one morning and was totally nauseated until noon.
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WHY tea? It won't do you near the good of the Root Powder in Capsules. Take the "0" size if you have trouble swallowing, with LOTS of liquid, WITH your meal.
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I ordered the C-Salts you speak so highly of because even Ester-C causes me constipation. The first thing that happened was a lot of GI pain and distress. The second thing that happened was that every time I took a dose of the C-Salts, I started sneezing and my nose started running. *sigh* So, I'm working with the C-Salts, trying to become accustomed to them. I've about eliminated the runny nose thing, but I still have adverse GI reactions, at times.
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I HOPE you are taking the C-Salts WITH your meal also. As a matter of fact, I mix about one ounce of water with them, swirl the glass, then after about 20 seconds, I add more distilled water to make a half glass, then fill it the REST OF THE WAY with my favorite juice concoction. Oh, yes, before I put in the juice, I add a half dropper of Red Root tincture and a full dropper of Perwinkle tincture. THen add the juice. I use this concoction to take ALL my herbs with right after my MAIN MEAL and follow it with my "dessert". I did this three times a day for over 13 months. NOW, starting this past Sunday, I have cut it back to TWICE a day. Will see HOW this all goes.
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Why did the C-Salts eliminate your stomach pain, but cause me GI distress? Obviously, our systems are different.
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I am of the opinion that our "systems" are NOT so different as so many of you make them out to be. WE are ALL people and we come from ONE DESIGN. (Well, actually two, male and female, he made them). We all have the same organs, blood, and NEED food and liquid and air to survive. ALL the SAME systems. BUT it is HOW we have treated those systems most of our lives that makes us "react" different to some things.
I personally believe that I had partially destroyed my stomach from Ascorbic acid AND soda pop for so many years.
ABX made it WORSE. Herbs didn't seem to make much difference one way or the other.
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I got some Devil's Claw (? I think that is the herb), something that worked well for you joint pain. Then I found out it can be constipating to some people, so it is just sitting there.
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MANY of BUhner's herbs balance one another out. You MUST get on a GOOD REGIMEN of HIS. ONLY ADD what will be compatible with HIS. IF you still have constipation problems, use the NETTLE ROOT.
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I herx (heart problems) on Samento, and can't even take Cumanda for the same reason. Will I react to the whole Cat's Claw herb? Probably.
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PROBABLY, especially IF you keep thinking you WILL FOR SURE. Then you will. ONE word of caution on taking the Devil's Claw. It will probably make you feel a little nauseous for a day or too, along with a lot of gas. BUT that SHOULD subside after a few days. AND go REAL SLOW with it. I only take it in the morning and afternoon. I still take the maximum amount of that one. 4 pills, twice a day.
On the Cat's Claw, only take the whole herb, powder, IN CAPSULES, NOT Samento TOA free.
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I'll quit here, but there are a lot of people out there who do NOT tolerate herbs well, and I am one of them. So, I'm not discounting Buhner's protocol. It just may not be right for every person out there.
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I am so sorry for you, that you can't take much to heal yourself. Hopefully you will find a way to get on some kind of protocol that will work for YOU. Just so most people out there realize that MOST people do very well on Buhner's Protocol. Also, maybe don't quit so easy. Forge AHEAD, not backwards. BUT go slow. I almost quit Devil's Claw after the first day I took it. Sure am glad I didn't.
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Tracy [Smile]

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Wallace,

Sorry that you did not find the dental issues to be covered. There is no doubt that those can be a major issue and hold-up to healing for many people. It was difficult to cover what we did and the article was already longer than the editor generally likes. That said, it is not intended to suggest that if one has dental issues that they can be ignored. Lyme infections themselves are attracted to the jaw area and often cause tremendous problems.

I am sorry that you have concerns over Dr. K. I can tell you from my perspective that ART is far from baloney. In fact, I would likely trade every conventional lab test I have done for the information I have gotten from ART.

I am not suggesting that ART is 100% accurate. I think even Dr. K puts it at about 80% if I recall. That said, what conventional lab work that you do for Lyme disease is 80% accurate? The answer is likely none.

Certainly intent can play a role, but I myself have been trained in ART and have tested nearly 70 people and I can tell you that even when I thought a result would be one thing, it was often not the case. So my intent did not appear to negatively impact the result.

I disagree with your comment that ART is another way for Dr. K to play God. If you have ever been to an ART conference, the science behind it is explained and the technique has been validated and can be explained with physics. I do not understand the physics at the level that Dr. K does, but I can tell you that there is an explanation that is able to be validated. As an aside, I also think though that science explains only a very small percentage of what exists in reality.

I don't think you can suggest that people doing ART are doing it just for money. Do you pay your conventional medical doctor for their services? Does that mean that their "gift" is somehow less because you pay for it?

You can certainly remain a skeptic, but I suspect you have not seen ART done by someone that knows what they are doing and have never been to a conference or discussion on it. Thus, your opinion though your opinion is not based on any background or knowledge of the technique.

If you find ART to be a "party trick", I recommend against your using it. I do however find it interesting that someone would be so willing to discount an approach that is potentially useful. My experience with it has been profound.

I wish you the best in finding solutions that work for you. ART has been one that is working for me.

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Wallace, it isn't the fragile ego of your homeopath that I'm concerned about. But, hey, go for it and see what happens. Would love to hear the results, but it will be really hard to tell what is working for you since you will be doing the marine stuff, the Blasi stuff, homeopathy (we assume), AND now Buhner.

Unfortunately, I can't comment on ART because I've never experienced it.

But I can tell you that I am interested in any modality that can help determine imbalances, disease states, or various microbial infections in the body. Because the only other option is to spend thousands of $$ on medical tests, which aren't very accurate either.

Kinesiology (muscle testing) has not worked out for me - something about my ``polarity being reversed'' - but even after they figured that out and compensated for it, I didn't do well on the supplements that tested well for me. But I still think muscle testing has some merit, even if it can be subject to the ``will'' of the person doing the testing.

JimBob, apparently, you subscribe to the same theory as my sister-in-law. Whatever illness happens to her or her family is a result of some direct cause - a supplement, chemical, drug, doctor, or accident, etc. But if ill health or a bad reaction happens to anybody else, it is because they have the wrong attitude. I see. Best of luck to you, JimBob.

I'm just glad we can discuss this stuff here, and express our personal experiences, questions, skepticisms, and hopes. There aren't any winners or losers here; just Lyme Warriors.

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Well said Tracey, we are all lyme warriors whatever our different opinions.

I hope I will only need to do the core protocol of Buhner because of everything else I am doing!

Scott you were more restrained than I deserved! Don't tell Gigi!

80 per cent accurate, thats not good enough for me personally.


We learn from our mistakes, thats part of the fun of life and ART removes that learning through trial and error(BTW I dont think ART therapists are any more corrupt than everyone else and I apologise as I didn't want to give that impression that they were any different in that respect)

But Scott you seem to admit that your intention may influence the result you obtain. Therein lies the problem as I see it.

Sunny thoughts,
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My response to critics of my long posts!

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=005875

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Claire mentioned heliotherapy. The book called Healing Sun is great on this.

Sunny! thoughts,
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Here comes the Sun - get out in it!
- the benefits far outweigh the hazards
Part 1
In the first of a two-part article editor Simon Best explores possible alternative explanations to UV radiation for the rise in skin cancer and presents some of the growing evidence for the overwhelming health benefits of sensible exposure to sunshine.

TIME was when one's immediate impulse on the first sunny spring day was to get outside and enjoy it. Today, however, grim warnings from medical mandarins and cancer specialists, wholeheartedly endorsed by the suncream industry, make people almost fear for their lives should they venture forth into the `dangerous' sun at the wrong time of day or unless covered head to toe with sun factor 60!

This view, however, is only relatively recent and contrasts sharply with the very positive medical view of the benefits of sunshine earlier in the 20th century, when sunbathing and sea bathing were championed. Growing evidence now strongly shows that the earlier view was correct and that the total benefits of sunlight far outweigh any hazards.

The medical practice of heliotherapy - exposing patients to controlled amounts of sunlight to cure or alleviate various illnesses - was accepted practice in many countries from the late 19th to mid-20th century.

Dr Auguste Rollier, probably the most famous heliotherapist of his day, at his peak had 36 clinics with over 1,000 beds in Leysin, Switzerland. He used sunlight to treat diseases such as TB, rickets, smallpox, lupus vulgaris (skin tuberculosis) and wounds, a practice that had been pioneered by Danish physician Dr Niels Finsen at the turn of the 19th century, who was awarded a Nobel Prize in 1903 for his treatment of TB using ultraviolet. Rollier found that sunbathing early in the morning, in conjunction with a nutritious diet, produced the best effects.

Britain's leading practitioner was Sir Henry Gauvain, who pioneered sunbathing at a clinic on the south coast and established Lord Mayor Treloar hospital in Alton, Hampshire, as a leading centre for heliotherapy.

But with the deaths of Gauvain in 1945 and Rollier in 1954, and the growing power of the pharmaceutical industry, heliotherapy fell into disuse. Since the `60s the public has been increasingly bombarded with warnings about sunbathing and the risks of skin cancer, to the almost complete exclusion of facts about the benefits of sunlight.

Dr Richard Hobday www.healingsun.com has charted the development and decline of heliotherapy, and the modern evidence for the benefits of sunshine on a range of illnesses, with its implications for building and hospital design, in his highly recommended book, The Healing Sun (Findhorn Press, 1999 - see Reviews).

Skin cancer mortality

There is no doubt that the incidence of skin cancers (see Types of skin cancer ) has increased over the past few decades and that over-exposure to the sun can cause premature ageing of the skin. However, almost all non-melanomas are curable and the number of deaths in 2001 in the whole of the UK was only 257 and 226 for men and women, respectively, against over 59,000 new cases that year out of a total population of perhaps 30 million sunbathers!

For the far more dangerous malignant melanoma, the totals were only 856 for men and 792 for women. Set against total deaths for all cancers for 2001 of 80,035 and 74,422 respectively (Cancer Research UK), the annual death rates for non-melanomas and melanoma combined represent a very low percentage indeed, especially when compared with the major cancers (eg. prostate, colon, lung, breast) - at just 1.39 and 1.36 percent!!

To judge by the Cancer Research UK's website, the impression given is that the sun is the overwhelming, direct cause of both types. But growing evidence about factors such as chlorine in water, artificial lighting and diet - the word `diet' or `vitamin D' is not even mentioned on the website - tells a different story. Why, for example, is the incidence of melanoma on the Orkney and Shetland Isles, north of Scotland, 10 times that on Mediterranean islands (Science 1991;254:114-5)?

It is time to focus on alternative causes and contributing risk factors for skin cancer to put the hazards - and benefits for many other illnesses - from solar radiation into a balanced perspective. First, let us consider the actual risk from ultraviolet radiation (UV), the main alleged threat from sunshine.

Effects of ultraviolet radiation

Ultraviolet is divided into three main frequency ranges, A, B and C (see Ultraviolet radiation). Of the sunlight reaching the Earth, approximately 37 per cent is visible, 60 per cent infrared and a mere 3 per cent UV. Virtually all UVC is shielded from reaching the Earth by the ozone layer. Both UVA and UVB promote tanning and can burn but UVB, specifically, is essential for the photosynthesis of vitamin D, which critically determines the uptake of calcium and other minerals, as well as many other processes.

Contrary to general belief, there is no evidence that reduction in the ozone layer, observed at the poles, has caused any increase in melanomas (Br J Can 1992; 65: 916-21). Even a study of Punta Arenas, the largest South American city close to the Antartic ozone hole, showed no increase in health problems related to depleted ozone. In fact, UV measures were too small to have any noticeable effect (Am J Pub Health 1995;85(4):546-50).

Eye hazard

Indeed, even the idea that UV causes cataracts, which evidence (below) shows to be shaky, has lead to sunglasses that block UVA and B, when in fact exposure to these frequencies may be necessary for the eye. The eye may require the full spectrum of sunlight to stimulate pathways and organs in the brain to maintain the immune system and other functions.

The pioneering American photobiologist, Dr John Ott, offers evidence on these benefits and argues that sunglasses significantly upset and negate the eyes' natural accommodation reflex in his classic work Health and Light (Ariel Press, Columbus, 1973). Ott reported that in research with the Wills Eye Hospital in Philadelphia he studied the pigment epithelium cells in a rabbit's eye through different-coloured filters and observed that the colours of the filters significantly affected the biological responses within the cells themselves. Crucially, he found that these cells would divide only if low levels of UV were projected onto them. It was from this and other work that, except in conditions of high glare (water, snow or desert), he strongly recommended wearing a hat, rather than sunglasses.

American optometrist and light pioneer, Dr Jacob Liberman, in his book Light: Medicine of the Future (Bear & Co, Santa Fe, New Mexico, 1991), supports Ott's view, suggesting that our indoor lifestyle, `coupled with our excessive use of sunglasses, may be blocking out the UV radiation necessary for normal cell division, thus resulting in certain degenerative eye diseases, such as macular degeneration' (p.150).

He points out that it was research reported in the American Journal of Opthalmology in March 1982 by WT Ham and his colleagues that led a generation of eye specialists to conclude that any amount of UV is harmful to the eye. Using monkeys tied down and their eyelids pried open with lid clamps, their fully dilated pupils were exposed to beams from a 2,500-watt xenon lamp for 16 minutes. The intense light contained high levels of UV which, quite naturally under the circumstances, caused some retinal damage. But, as Liberman points out (p.147), this was highly abnormal exposure that would never happen in real life since animals' and humans' pupils and eyelids would naturally adjust and close to protect their eyes.

Evidence indicates that the increase in cataracts in sunny parts of the world may be due to other factors, including malnutrition (diarrhoea can lead to severe demineralisation), smoking, pollution and poor diet.

For example, a diet rich in unsaturated fats and their oxidised products (Can Res 1985;45:6254-9) has been linked to the risk of UVB triggering increased cataract formation, whereas those who eat a more balanced diet, supplemented with vitamins C and E, appear not to get cataracts, even with prolonged exposure to the sun (Ophthalmol 1998;105:1836; Am J Clin Nutr 1997;66:911-16).

However, both Ott and Liberman condemn the use of sunlamps, which produce UVA and can cause skin cancer, including melanoma (Am J Epid 1994;140:691-9)).

Occupational exposure

A further argument against the idea that simple exposure to UV rays causes cancer is observation of people constantly exposed to them. Melanomas seldom occur in outdoor workers. A study of the risk in US Navy personnel between 1974 and 1984 found a higher incidence among sailors who had indoor jobs than those working outside (Arch Env Health 1990;45(5):261-7). Those working both indoors and outdoors showed most protection, with a rate 24 percent below the US national average.

Findings like these support other studies that indicate that while severe sunburn may trigger melanoma, regular sunbathing may actually prevent it (Lancet 1982;2:290-3). Indeed, evidence indicates that regular, moderate sunbathing can actually reduce its risk. The fact that melanomas can occur on the palms and soles of the feet indicate that UV is only one of a number of possible causes and possibly not even the most significant. Although melanoma has been rising among pale-skinned populations worldwide, there has been no corresponding rise among dark-skinned people, who have only one-tenth to one-third the incidence. Their skin's much-increased melanin level does protect them but they also tend to spend much more time outdoors in much higher levels of UV.

Dr Damien Downing (Day Light Robbery, Arrow Books, 1981, out of print) points out that melanin, the pigment that helps protect the deeper layers of the skin, also protects against free radical damage from sunlight. The skin also uses sunlight to kill bacteria. `It seems that even without ultraviolet light, skin lipids will take up some oxygen from the air and use it to kill bacteria. However, this effect is much more intense under UV.'

It seems that ultraviolet may not be the total scourge so many `authorities' portray it to be and that we need to look at other risk factors, not least the substances they urge us to rub all over ourselves for protection.

Sunscreens - help or hazard?

Some commercial sunscreens, which are meant to protect the skin, have certainly been suspected of promoting skin cancers (see Sunscreens - their benefits and hazards).

Researchers have found that high levels of oxybenzone, used extensively in high-factor creams, can be absorbed into the body (Lancet 1997;350:863-4). As this particular chemical has had few studies on its possible toxic effects, what this is doing to your body is anyone's guess, the Lancet article recommended that sun creams should not be applied on large areas of the body repeatedly over an extended period of time.

Other research has found that children who use a lot of cream and oil are more likely to get freckles and thus may be at higher risk of developing melanoma (J Nat Can Inst 1998;90:1873-80).

There are now some 1,140 drugs that are known to cause photosensitization, with the possibility of interacting with other sunscreen chemicals rubbed into the skin.

Finally, a poor diet laden with fats and processing may be crucial in predisposing a person to sunburn or worse. American nutritionist Dr Zane Kime, his book Sunlight Could Save Your Life (World Health Publications, Penryn, Calif, 1980), stated: `... sunbathing is dangerous for those who are on a standard, high-fat American diet or do not get an abundance of vegetables, whole grains and fresh fruits.'

Indeed, the heliotherapists of the last century placed great emphasis on diet to maximise the sun's benefits. Rollier insisted that nourishing meals were an integral part of treatment, suggesting that well-nourished skin responds better to sunlight than skin deficient in minerals. It is noteworthy that the rise in incidence of skin cancer over the past few decades has paralleled the increase in a degraded, high fat, low vegetable/fruit diet among a large proportion of the Western population.

Beneficial effects of sunlight

Countering the ill-balanced warnings and scaremongering of vested interests, there is evidence that a number of other factors are important in causing or predisposing someone to skin cancer besides exposure to the sun.

In part two these will be investigated further, together with the mass of evidence supporting the sun's beneficial effects in promoting health and reducing disease, including many cancers, especially breast, colon, ovary and prostate, as well as reducing or combating diabetes; MS; heart disease and high blood pressure; osteoporosis; psoriasis; SAD and even tooth decay.

The early heliotherapists found that gradual, daily exposure to the sun, coupled with a nutritious diet, could cure many illnesses and promote robust health. Research is now proving them correct and, rejecting the unbalanced negative propaganda, leading us back to the appreciation that sunshine is an essential nutrient and that sensible sunbathing is overwhelmingly good for you.


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Simon Best also produces the quarterly news report Electromagnetic Hazard & Therapy. ( www.em-hazard-therapy.com ).

An earlier version of this article appeared in the magazine Caduceus, issue 60, 2003 ( www.caduceus.info ).

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quote:
Originally posted by Wallace:
My response to critics of my long posts!

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Wallace [Razz]

WALLACE:

YOU put up this post, and then you follow it with ANOTHER super long post, or copy paste, I guess. I didn't read it so don't know for sure. I don't read any of those copy/pastes, UNLESS they are super short. Takes up way too much of MY time.

Jim [Cool]

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JimBob, apparently, you subscribe to the same theory as my sister-in-law. Whatever illness happens to her or her family is a result of some direct cause - a supplement, chemical, drug, doctor, or accident, etc. But if ill health or a bad reaction happens to anybody else, it is because they have the wrong attitude. I see. Best of luck to you, JimBob.


Tracy

Okay "truthfinder"; WHAT is THAT about. I don't think I follow you. ALL I did was answer any questions or statements you had/made to the best of MY ability. I never insinuated one way or the other as you say. I ONLY tell it like it is in my case and know what helps me and others I have talked to. I think I said at one time, I feel sorry for you that you can't take things as most normal people do and see results.

We all have something we can't take. AND the main point I am getting at is Buhner's protocols are designed to work as a TOTAL unit. ONE compliments the other. If one thing makes you constipated, another will relieve that problem. Same with thinning or thickening of blood, etc., etc..

That's all.

Jim [Cool]

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