D Bergy
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An MRI machine uses frequencies to produce an image along with a magnetic field. Occasionally they will produce a spirochete killing frequency much like a Rife machine only many times more powerful. You were in a sense in the worlds most powerful Rife machine. It is not surprising to feel terrible as you are loaded with dead Lyme material. Detox is all you can do after the fact.
Kind of an awful way to prove the Rife principle, but anyone that is going to get an MRI should be aware that this can and does happen.
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thats what I was wondering this whole time but I dont know much about magnetic pulsers... (I know plenty about rife)
Do magnetic pulsers have different frequencys/patterns or are they just machines that you turn on and have a single setting?
I am beginning to wonder if that dye, since it is a metal... if that metal could have signifigantly hurt my immune system or something?
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I am not an MRI expert but I know it produces a magnetic field. I am assuming that it does this so the frequencies penetrate the subject easily. But, it may be for some other reason. It really does not matter in this case.
When you use a Doug Coil type Rife machine it produces a magnetic field for just this purpose. To allow the frequencies to penetrate the body.
An EMEM uses a weaker magnetic field and a machine like my GB-4000 uses a RF carrier frequency for penetration.
The magnetic field in itself will not do anything. But when coupled with the correct frequency it will disable or kill Lyme spirochetes. MRI machines do not always hit these frequencies and it is quite by accident as they are not directing it at Lyme. That is why it only affects some people some of the time.
With the huge power involved with the MRI it produces a much larger kill off than ever would be achieved with any Rife machine. Some people I know have thought about altering an MRI machine to make a high powered Rife machine. But, it is a something you would only want to use in the most desperate cases since it is so powerful.
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Forgot to answer your original question about magnetic pulsars. I believe these are DC devices so no frequency is involved. The electrical current is what does the work. I do not know why they use the word "magnetic". It is basically a Bob Beck device.
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so are you saying the chances of it causing a herx are minimal...?
I did some thinking with my parents as to why my case has worsened so badly over the last 5-6 days... I got to thinking
1. I always herx about 1.5-2 days after I take an ABX or Rife. I had the MRI done at 2:00pm on Fri and woke up Sunday Morning at 1:00AM in horrid pain!
2. I have noticed alot of symptoms that I thought had improved or gone away came back this week for no reason.
3. I had not taken an ABX for a week now and my pain seems to have rised severly/quickly when usually my pain comes down a little when I go off ABX...
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The MRI will cause a huge herx if it hits the correct frequencies that kill of Lyme. I know of no other reason an MRI would cause any problems.
You most likely feel lousy because you still have all of the dead bacteria floating around in your body. Any type of detox will help. Drink plenty of water and take it easy for awhile.
You should feel much better once you clear out your system. You most likely destroyed a lot of the Lyme bacteria. Just way more than you would want to at one time.
Hope you get better
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Byron -- there has been a lot of good thoughts and advice on this thread.
DB may well be right. Perhaps the MRI triggered a massive killing, so to speak. It seems to fit the right time schedule for your herx reactions. Before I knew I had lyme, I took something that caused a herx reaction for months!!! I was completely clueless about what happened and what I needed to do. It was really a terrible time period.
It still might be nice to simply ask your LLMD or DOM about the substance you were given with the MRI, to see if he would feel there is anything to be concerned about there or anything you need to do differently.
And if it were me, I would be using all my favorite detox methods. Some of the ones that apply for metals also apply to 'lyme die-off.'
Hope you feel better soon.
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A reaction to the dye seems more logical than kill off of some magnetic field.
Otherwise, we would all be trying to get MRI's all the time, and with the reaction to something I did/had(still can't piece together if MRI, Artemesia or what?), if it was killing Lyme, then we would all be cured with only a couple of MRI's.
Again, I had a MRI done without contrast and didn't have a reaction, since I had the bad reaction with contrast.
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quote:Originally posted by ByronSBell 2007: yes I had the dye! I felt really tired and sick the whole day after I had the MRI done, then the next night I woke up in screaming pain, ever since the MRI I have been in the dump.
I remember a while back, about 9 months ago I was in the ER for screaming pain (before lyme diagnoses and I had to have an MRI done with dye, I remember the day after the MRI I had to be hospitalized again becuase my case worsened 2x's finally they said there is nothing we can do and Cigna wont pay for anything else we do...
I kept telling my parents I dont want another MRI done and they forced me, now I am in a living hell
You had the dye well thats one more thing your body has to process and get rid of
Iam a firm believer in trying not to overload ones self anymore than we are already are to many body systems under stress as it is and iam not talking feelings iam saying the body can only process so fast and thats it
And if anybody doubts that just take a overdose of some pill it will cause death even asprin.
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I talked to another lymie on the phone today that I know. he is being treated by my same LLMD but he is way further down the road than I am. He said when he had an MRI done he felt horrid for a week or more afterwards as well.
I read in Bryan Rosner's book that people have shown improvement from MRI's but he never said in the exact words "an MRI can cause a herx"
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I would think there's a big difference between an MRI and an MRI with contrast.
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I have had plenty of MRI's while I was infected and I never got sick or herxed zilch.
Its the dye
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He states in his first book Lyme and Rife in 2 different spots that people have shown improvement after an MRI. I'm waiting on a call back from my DOM since he knows everything under the sun in terms of alternative treatments.
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My DOM finally called back and said it could have been a little bit of both... The dye and the magnetics.
He said the dye they use is highly toxic to the body and is a metal. He also said the machine is wayyyy beyond more powerful than a mag. pulser you would buy of the internet and the fact that I was in the tube for 45minutes when the average mag. pulser only uses a small machine for about 2-5 minutes, then there is a possibility... We will never know, all we know is I need to get well!
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People can be allergic to the dye, but this would likely cause an immediate reaction. I do not doubt the dye is not helping anyone. When the dye is used the magnetic field is fluctuated to produce the image. When no dye is used it is not fluctuated.
This is the only difference I have been able to find between dye and no dye.
However, a CT scan uses exactly the same dye, so I wonder if anyone has had a problem with CT scans? It uses ionizing frequencies or X-Rays so the wave length is way too short to cause a herx.
This would rule the dye in or out, maybe.
Always more questions than answers. But, either way this could be very dangerous for someone in very poor health to begin with. I think there should be some kind of warning permanently posted somewhere. I can't imagine some people here even surviving some of the experiences reported in this thread.
Just my opinion.
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Well I have had alot of cat scans through the last 2 years and none of them have caused me problems... but I have reacted poorly to an MRI with dye and my lyme friend in town had just about the same experience I had!!!
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An interesting article that implicates a virus in some mental illness.
There possibly could be unknown viruses and/or bacteria behind other mental illnesses. I have heard that there are some researchers working on this hypothesis.
If it is true, this could also explain both the Herx in Lyme and improvement in Depression when exposed to an MRI. But, it is all just interesting and strange occurances so far with no solid explanation. It would be nice to know if the improvement in Depression was long term or just a temporary condition.
I have some personal experience with this that makes me suspect the viral link could be true but nothing conclusive.
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We need to contact bryan rosner about this... wonder how we can?
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I can E-mail Bryan. He is likely very busy so I do not know if he will respond..
Why don't you PM me with your questions and I will forward. I will let you know by PM if he responds. I don't want to clutter this forum with off topic stuff.
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Better yet PM Lymenet member #3632.
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Byron,
How are you using your GB for Lyme? I have lots of experience with the GB-4000 and Lyme, maybe I can help out.
How often are you using it? Frequencies or frequency sets? Reactions or lack of reactions Have you tried Babesia frequencies.
I get the impression that you may be a minor. If you are you should certainly run everything by your parents. I am assuming they are aware of your different treatments including Rife.
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