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I dont know if this is a common problem but I cannot sleep at all.
I have tried every natural and pharmacutical drug I think and they dont work.
Anybody have any good suggestions?
I have tried Ativan, Abmien, Ambien cr, Restoril, Klonopin, Trazdone, Mepron.... For natural, I have tried melatonin, valerian root, b6, sleep formulas, accupuncture
I think I can't sleep because my gallbladder from muscle testing...
Anyone use Herbsom from dr.X or anything from native remedies.com
Obviously I am up at 2am so please help if you can, Thanks!
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I had similar problems; but recently my PCP gave me Seroquel for sleep. It is the first and only thing that worked for me and didn't cause side effects. Within thirty minutes of taking it I'm out like a light. I can wake up fine when I need to without any hangover feelings.
I hope you fall asleep soon; without this I am literally up all night long; till the sun rises.
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I suffer insomnia too and while I have not found any rock solid sleep aids, I do find that drinking a hot cup of magnesia water a day seems to help me sleep.
Also, avoiding stressful situations. LOL.
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I'm taking natural 5-HTP made out of the seeds of Griffonia simplicifolia which is an African black bean. 5-HTP is the direct precursor of serotonin which I'm lacking. It takes a while to work (doesn't necessarily work in the first few nights) but I'm sleeping better with every day (on it now for about 2 months).
Still sometimes I have days when I don't sleep so well but it's no comparison with before.
Hope you find something that works for you. Not being able to sleep is horrible.
Take care,
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I was on Klonopin for 16 years, but eventually not even that helped me sleep. No antibiotic yet has solved that problem, nor has any herb, supplement, or drug.
The researcher states - "But when you get them under the microscope, nearly all the bees look sick. I've done a thousand of these autopsies in three months and I tell you, its really difficult to find a healthy looking bee".
This is why I can never sleep anymore, too, and I measured it with a gaussmeter/RF meter, though I need to get a more sensitive meter.
I think these frequencies are wreaking havoc on our immune systems, which pretty much equals chronic infection. Bacteria have a magnetic sense, just like we do.
I found an electrosensitivity support group on the web though, so if you are interested, PM me.
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tailz-
are you convinced that emfs effect everything?
it seems you attribute nearly everything that happens to you or someone else to emfs?
is this possible?
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I would recommend Prohealth's sleep formula-FibroSleep. I have tried melatonin by itself, xanax, and Rozerem. Then I tried FibroSleep, and I can't live without it. It really helps me to fall asleep and stay asleep. The ingredients are natural. Look at Prohealth.com if you are interested in the ingredients.
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Tailz, finally had a chance to check out the web sites you post; turns out they are just hosted by some young guys with no credentials. One of them doesn't even mention EMFs on any of his other websites.
They say the computer emits the most of anything; so I'm ocnfused as to how it is that you are so affected by your neighbor's cellphone but not by your own computer use?
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tracy-
shocker there huh
tailz-
are you being treated for the physciiatric aspects of tbds?
humbly,
derek
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it seems you attribute nearly everything that happens to you or someone else to emfs?
is this possible?
Yes, I am convinced. And yes, it's possible.
If I flip the main switch on my circuit breaker (pineal gland), the lights won't just go out. My heater won't work - and the temperature in the house will reflect this change, becoming either too warm (and humid) in the summer or too cold in the winter. Electric clocks will stop, and I will be confused as to what time of day it is. The refrigerator will shut off, causing my food to spoil and decay. If I eat the moldy food because the power is out too long, more things will go wrong...
Matter of fact, when I consider some of the sources of my info - like the Bioinitiative Report is one good example - I really begin to wonder if everybody's comprehension might be somewhat compromised on here from the EMFs alone? Is it me? The Bioinitiative Report is a MAJOR medical report - not some quackwatch organization I plucked off the internet at 3am one morning when I was bored. A Swedish researcher emailed me that report.
What you don't realize is I didn't have all 50 symptoms of ES at one time - it all started with a few symptoms, just like Lyme. But EMR exposure is cumulative - so as my years of exposure grew, so did my symptoms list - and so will yours.
Here is a list of doctors who apparently agree with me. Unfortunately, I don't think there are many American docs on the list, but ask me if I care. I don't know why, but I seem to make more sense to Europeans???...
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i have not slept well in about 3 years.
when my gastro gave me elavil for my colon problems, it seemed to help me sleep.
some people use melatonin. i tried that but it didn't work, just made me very hyper.
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The Bioinitiative Report sports no credentials? Wow.
I guess Dr. Robert Becker - the 'father of EMFs' has no credentials, too, then - huh? And who needs to have her psychiatric symptoms treated?
Go ahead and cure me of my 'TBIs' (which is a misnomer) - this is me until these fields go.
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I didn't want any of you to miss these credentials, and this isn't even a full list:
Prof. Dr. med. Karl Hecht, Spezialist f�r Stress-, Schlaf-, Chrono- und Raumfahrtmedizin, Berlin Prof. Dr. med. Ingrid Gerhard, Frauen�rztin, Heidelberg Prof. Dr. med. Otmar Wassermann, Toxikologie, Sch�nkirchen Prof. Dr. med. H.-J. Wilhelm, Hals-, Nasen-, Ohrenheilkunde, Phoniater, Frankfurt Prof. Dr. med. Volker Zahn, Chefarzt, Frauenarzt, Umweltmedizin, Straubing MUDr. /Universit�t Prag, E. Pinkbeiner-Weimer, Hals-Nasen-Ohren-�rztin, Hanau Erdmuthe Adam-Last, Frauen�rztin, Osterode Brigitte Alexander, �rztin, Psychotherapie, Naturheilverfahren, Wuppertal Dr. med. Thomas Allgaier, Allgemeinmedizin, Umweltmedizin, Heitersheim Dr. med. Ekkehard Arnold, Kinder- und Jugendarzt, Umweltmedizin, Weil am Rhein Dr. med. Christine Aschermann, Nerven�rztin, Psychotherapie, Leutkirch Dr. med. Iris Axhausen, Stra�lach Dr. med. Klaus Axhausen, Stra�lach Dr. med. Marie-Luise Bande, Dieburg Dr. med. Alexander B�r, Frauenarzt,Naturheilverfahren, Bad Neustadt Dr. med. 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thanks for the links.
ill be sure to check them out soon.
if emfs are your issue, why dont you just move away from them & feel better then ?
if everyone on this board is not thinking "clearly" because of emfs, then i guess we wont know the difference then will we?
maybe the whole country is dying from emfs and doesnt even know it?
maybe ET came and poisioned us
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My daughter takes Lunesta and zanaflex for sleep along with a natural sleep aid called Fibrosleep. (someone else mentioned it) She hasn't slep through the night for years. These are the things that help her get a few hours of uninterrupted sleep.
There is also a product called Fibronol that really helps the aches and pains. Check it out. If you google it lots of different sites come up so you can research it. It helps her some. She has only been on it a couple of bottles worth so hopefully as time goes on it will help more as it gets into her system.
HUGS
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by tailz: [QB] The Bioinitiative Report sports no credentials? Wow.
Actually not one of the members is a medical doctor, out of eleven participants only two are MDs,and in the list of reviewers there is one retired MD.
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dont let emfs distract this topic.
Lacey, it's good you are getting a taste of what happens on this forum (quite frequently actually) when you dare to think outside the box - so be careful on here.
Regardless, you should know that a good number of us have not been cured on antibiotics alone - at least for long. So something else must be going on with some of us who seem to defy science - on multiple antibiotics and still not improving and symptomatic.
You can google it yourself - electromagnetic field and microwave exposure has an impact on melatonin production and thus sleep (Tracy), and within the last several years, EMFs have increased exponentially, and more Americans than ever are having to resort to sleep medications. Here's one link I found (scroll down some):
quote:maybe the whole country is dying from emfs and doesnt even know it?
Yep.
quote:maybe ET came and poisioned us
You live in Philly, huh?
By the way, Tracy, Olle Johansson emailed the Bioinitiative report directly to me. Would you like his email address? I may still have it. No American doctor responded to my concerns, but he sure did.
But here's a little bit about his credentials if the couple hundred medical doctors I listed that support and signed the Freiburger Appeal don't count, along with the doctors who did review the final Bioinitiative Report that you'd taken the time to count - after reading the report in its entirety before critiquing me, I'm sure:
Olle Johansson Olle Johansson, associate professor, head of the Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, at the Karolinska Institute (famous for its Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine) in Stockholm, Sweden, is a world-leading authority in the field of EMF radiation and health effects. He has published more than 500 original articles, reviews, book chapters and conference reports within the field of basic and applied neuroscience. His doctoral thesis at the Karolinska Institute had the title "Peptide Neurons in the Central and Peripheral Nervous System. Light and Electron Microscopic Studies". He has participated in more than 300 congresses and symposia, is a member of the European Neuroscience Association (ENA), The European Society for Dermatological Research (ESDR), IBAS Users of Scandinavia (IBUS), The International Brain Research Organization (IBRO), The International Society for Stereology (ISS), The New York Academy of Sciences, The Royal Microscopical Society (RMS), Scandinavian Society for Electron Microscopy (SCANDEM), The Skin Pharmacology Society (SPS), Society for Neuroscience, Svenska Fysiologf�reningen, Svenska Intressegruppen f�r Grafisk Databehandling (SIGRAD), Svenska L�kares�llskapet, and the Svenska S�llskapet f�r Automatiserad Bildanalys (SSAB). He is often used as referee for a large number of scientific journals,
Tracy, I spent 11 years with a guy with an undiagnosed brain tumor. He could be cruel at times - really cruel. In fact, he made Hitler seem gentle in comparison at times. I'd finish this thought, but I won't - other than to say, don't even try. I know what you're doing here, and I had the world's best teacher in headgames - an undiagnosed oligodendroglioma.
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quote:Originally posted by tailz: [QB] Regardless, you should know that a good number of us have not been cured on antibiotics alone - at least for long.
Tailz....You haven't even taken enough abx to "cure" anything....have you?
I thought you only had a few weeks of abx?
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tails-
i think youre missing the point here.
if you do in fact have lyme and tbds, which is questionable, then healing these diseases is much more complex then a few weeks of abx.
so yes, i am aware that no one really gets better on 3 weeks of abx.
BUT, long term abx along w vit supp and nutritional modifications along w adjunctive therapies put 80% of chronic lymies into remission withing 3-4 years once on the right track.
so....basically you are misled, on a crazy emf kick, and need physcological evaluation and or medication.
sorry to be blunt, but what you continually contribute to this board over and over doesnt help anyone, and is a bit crazy.
like i said 2 times now, if YOU belive emfs are your problem, simply move away from them.
BUT, we both your know your issues are MUCH more complex then some emfs, so why am i wasting my breath?
anyway, im really miffed as to what to do or say to you, because it seems no matter what anyone says or does that is directed to you its rejected immediately unless it has an emf component to it.
good luck with whatever it is you are looking for or trying to do.
maybe you should join an emf conspiracy board?
humbly,
derek
ps- wait....if i know you, im sure you already are a member of multiple emf sites. you know all there is to know about emfs and they are killing us all. how could i forget that?
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Back to sleep....
L-tryptophan works for me. One gram an hour before bed time on an empty stomach, and another 1/2 gram when I wake up in the middle of the night.
You can take lots more if needed,up to 12 grams, but work the dose up slowly and only take what you need. Very high doses can cause cataracts and trigger diabetes in susceptible people.
5-HTP is stronger, but it is dangerous for those like me with high blood pressure or heart rhythm problems.
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Keep in mind I am the 'weird' one of the bunch here
MOST people dont believe it BUT a gram salt tablet makes me sleep like a baby!!
Every other med does NO good or opposite effects on 'me' but salt sure helps!!!
okay, call me weird harold if ya want to!!
Ambien worked for awhile,sometimes too well and drug me out all next day!!! half an Ambien might be closer!!
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It made the biggest difference in my health of anything I have taken. There's nothing like getting delta wave sleep for healing.
I also tried everything, herbal, and otherwise. My doctor had me take trazodone, klonopin, ambien and flexeril all on the same night, and I didn't get refreshing sleep.
Yes, it's a controlled substance because some abused it (date rape drug), but when it was sold in health food stores, many used it successfully for good sleep.
It's naturally found in the brain while in deep sleep, and the end products of it's processing is water and carbon dioxide--easy on the liver and kidneys.
I was nervous about taking it (and I trust everyone in my house), so at first I proved to myself that I can decide to stay awake after taking it and I can. Loud noises wake me up. I actually have to work with it to get sleep.
If I do end up awake while under it's influence, I have to be careful, because I'm real clumsy--just like the first few seconds of someone who's woken from a deep sleep.
I hope you know to start out with a low dose (you won't get as good effects as later) because your body needs to get used to each dose before you move to a stronger dose.
If you need more magnesium in your system, it will show up when you take xyrem. So, if you have some bad side effects, like leg pain, take more magnesium.
Actually, if you want to learn a lot about xyrem, go to Talk about Sleep site, and find the narcolepsy board. They've been taking it for years, and there's a lot of threads there for problem solving different effects.
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The Effects of 884 MHz GSM Wireless Communication Signals on Self-reported Symptom and Sleep (EEG)- An Experimental Provocation Study
In the current study we assessed possible effects of prolonged (3 hours) exposure to 884 MHz GSM wireless communication signals on self-reported symptoms, cognitive function, and electroencephalographically (EEG) recorded sleep.
The study group consisted of 36 women and 35 men. Twenty-two women and sixteen men reported symptoms they specifically related to mobile phone use (SG). The rest of the participants reported no mobile phone-related symptoms (NG).
Potential participants volunteering for the study were evaluated by physicians, including some biochemical assessments, to rule out medical conditions that could interfere with study variables of interest.
Once selected, participants spent three different sessions in the laboratory. The habituation session was followed by two subsequent sessions. In these subsequent sessions, subjects were either exposed to sham exposure (sham) or 884 MHz GSM wireless communication signals for 3 hours (an average of 1.4 W/kg including periods of DTX and Non-DTX.
Exposure directed to the left hemisphere). Data was collected before, during and following the exposure/sham sessions. Data collected included self-reported symptoms, including headache, cognitive function, mood, and electroencephalographic recordings.
During actual exposure, as compared to sham exposure, sleep initiated one hour after exposure was affected. There was a prolonged latency to reach the first cycle of deep sleep (stage 3). The amount of stage 4 sleep was also decreased in exposed subjects.
NG subjects reported more headaches during exposures vs. sham exposure. Neither group (SG and NG) was able to detect the true exposure status more frequently than by chance alone.
The study indicates that during laboratory exposure to 884 MHz wireless signals, components of sleep, believed to be important for recovery from daily wear and tear, are adversely affected.
Moreover, participants that otherwise have no self-reported symptoms related to mobile phone use, appear to have more headaches during actual radiofrequency exposure as compared to sham exposure.
However, subjects were not able to detect the true exposure status more often than would have been expected by statistical chance alone.
Additional self-reported findings, biochemical, performance and electrophysiological data are currently being analyzed. Possible health implications from the findings will also be further explored.
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quote:sorry to be blunt, but what you continually contribute to this board over and over doesnt help anyone, and is a bit crazy.
quote:as for me now, i am going to williamport for my PA and will be practicing under a llmd in 4 yrs.
how about you?
I'm not sure what I want to be when I grow up, but I was just reading a blog about programming crystals, and I find that field fascinating. Either that or a shepherd, so I can walk around with a cane and a long beard.
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Uh, .... what happened to Lacey? Maybe she went to sleep...
Lacey, what were you saying about your gallbladder in your post? I didn't understand your statement.
If pain is part of your problem, then the following won't work, but....
I actually got myself a decent bedside lamp so I could read in bed lying down. It takes some practice, but curling up with a good fiction story takes my mind off my life and puts me into a different thought pattern. I found it was my brain keeping me awake more than my body.
Also, have you tried the 'sustained release' or the 'timed release' melatonin? If melatonin does help make you sleepy, getting a brand that slowly releases during the night might work for you.
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Tailz said:
"Tracy, I spent 11 years with a guy with an undiagnosed brain tumor. He could be cruel at times - really cruel. In fact, he made Hitler seem gentle in comparison at times. I'd finish this thought, but I won't - other than to say, don't even try. I know what you're doing here, and I had the world's best teacher in headgames - an undiagnosed oligodendroglioma."
Sorry Tailz, I actually don't know what you mean by this...but no headgames here. I fully believe in both antibiotics AND alternative medicine; but I was concerned you were being misled.
I can see you are clearly a very intelligent woman. I was simply hoping for some clarification; mainly around my question about EMFs and computers, as one of the websites you post lists computers as the number one source of EMFs. Just can't make sense of it.
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I tried so many sleeping pills and other remedies for years, and my sleep was absolutely terrible and I had no control over it. People would suggest things and I would just laugh because NOTHING could knock me out.
Then I discovered a very odd thing that helped me: high-dose methylcobalamin shots every single night combined with sublingual melatonin.
Methylcobalamin is a type of b-12. No other types work in the same way, so another form will not do the same thing. One study showed that some people who took methylcobalamin injections along with melatonin were able to obtain relief from intractable circadian rhythm disorders. The studies used 3000 mcg. I use 10000 mcg which just shows how deranged my sleep is!
Oral versions of b-12 really don't work for me: it had to be shots, and high doses intramuscularly. This may sound like a real pain to just get some sleep, but I feel like it's helping to correct something neurologically, rather than just putting a Bandaid on the problem.
It does not work for everyone, but within three months of starting it, I was able to stop taking klonopin after 10 years! Basically cold turkey! If you've ever experienced benzo withdrawal, you'll understand how miraculous this is.
I still use other things, just less often than I did before. I take flexiril once or twice a week and use california poppy tincture and Bach's Sleep Remedy about the same amount.
I also use an antihistemine to help me sleep. This may sound like a lot still but it's less than half of what I was taking before I started the shots.
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derek, Tailz needs to tell her story too. So please don't insult her by demeaning her beliefs about EMFs.
Many people will eventually get around to reading Tailz or someone's reading on how EMFs can or will effect someone's health. Esp, the chronically ill.
She believes this can interupt some people rest and sleep patterns. So it does have to do with the posters thread.
Lighten up alittle.
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Pam is right.
Besides that, we have others on this board who are (or have been) EMF sensitive. One member actually had to return a brand-new hybrid SUV because the EMFs made her symptoms so much worse in just one day; an identical, conventional-fuel SUV solved the problem.
Additionally, when it comes to Lyme, some practitioners have found that there does seem to be a connection (that goes beyond pure coincidence) between onset of Lyme symptoms and increased EMFs.
Believe whatever you like, but refrain from stating that a member needs psychological evaluation unless you are somehow qualified to make such a declaration.
Like the rest of us, Tailz is finding her way through the Lyme Maze, and she may have found something that most of us would never have considered otherwise.
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well the shepherd it is tailz.
good choice
also include a q link bracelet if you choose to be a shepherd, emfs might get you out there too.
sorry pam, but im not being mean or relentless, and the point is, we do not need to be wasting our time telling newbies about emfs when this is the least of their current set of issues.
just another example of how badly this site is set up and needs to be re categorized and re vamped.
newbies should have their own section, where only selected information is allowed.
anyway, if i offended any of you, truly, i do apologize. tailz included.
just doesnt make any sense to me.
all the time we all spend on here and for what?
i kno we help some people, but MUCH more can be helped, and MUCH easier at that.
best of health to you all.
humbly
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Thanks so much for all the trials and info. I have alot to choose from. I have actually tried almost all of those but will keep trying. Last I tried Trazdone- made me feel sick like seasick. Restoril sometimes works.
How are we suppose to live. I heard of biopro to put on cell phones. I've unplugged my microwave and will get rid of it but the one at work is about 20 ft directly accross from me. What am I suppose to do? i've unplugged the smoke dectector and removed tv from bedroom....What else am I suppose to unplug?
I have not tried b12 injections for sleep and that sounds like a good idea anyway.
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This board is set up for all to participate whether you are a newbie or old timer. I know not everyone in interested in EMF or could/would/should a newbie be worrying with everything or anything other the the reality of what has happened to them.
You can't. There are some discussions that have gone on here for 5 yrs and I'm just now starting to take notice. It's a continual process. Way to much information for any one to handle, let alone someone new who probably is dealing with pain, fatigue, brain fog, insomnia, etc etc.
Tailz is obsessed with EMF and she knows it. But she truly knows there a connection between her health and EMF. She wants to warn others. She's planting seeds that are of a benefit to someone.
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Lacey, wow you've tried many things for sleep. You are looking for more natural stuff, so have you tried lavender essential oil baths at night?
One thing I learned when I was looking at the health food store and decided to try melatonin... I took it that night and it sent me racing. I was flying high for hours. Then I read the label.
I'm hypothyroid and there is a warning for people with thyroid disease. So it did the opposite effect on me. I'm sensitive to many behind the counter and over the counter stuff due to my thyroid getting stimulated and I feel like I'm on speed.
I learned just because it's at the health food store doesn't mean I can neglect to read all of the print and warnings on the label. Before I spend good money & open the container.
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melatonin - can find in natural health food store. 1mg usually 30 min. before bed. Works for me and family.
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I'm frustrated.
So we take melatonin to sleep, since our bodies can't receive the appropriate signals to produce enough of it...
We take enzymes to digest the candida overgrowth, since our bodies can no longer produce sufficient enzymes to keep any fungal overgrowths in check and we've actually become allergic to many foods as a result...
We take probiotics to increase the good intestinal flora in our guts, because our bodies can't seem to send the right signals to the good bacteria in our intestines to reproduce...
We avoid foods we were meant to it (and need) - sugar, grains, fruits, milk, eggs, etc...
We sit in our tubs, saunas, climb mountains until we SWEAT all of our toxins out - and do so excessively - being sure to lift our arms up over our heads to get our lymph systems moving...
We bounce up and down on our rebounders (again, to get our lymphs flowing)...
How is this 'living'? This seems like a whole lot of work just to feel so-so instead of horrific, and I like efficiency. How is this at all efficient? Our entire lives are spent manually operating systems that would be working if we hadn't saturated the environment with EMFs.
I'm almost as frustrated with the alternative community as I am with the pharmaceutical industry. I've just swapped my Seroquel and Klonopin for my 'all natural' melatonin. If my body didn't produce it itself, it isn't natural.
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Good discussion on sleep.
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