hiker53
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Any doctor or company that is unwilling to share their research is suspect in my eyes. Why would I want to take an herb or any kind of drug if I did not have research to back it up ( na dknow interactions, side effects etc). But that's just my opinion. Who owns Nutramedix--does Cowden have a stake in it? If that is the case I feel that is dangerous medicine. Hiker53
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Oxygenbabe You don't need to attack. This board is supposed to be about sharing in a safe environment. We should be able to share our successes as well as our failures, so that others can learn as well. There is not a failsafe method yet for success. This is a complicated disease.
Disagreement can be done with kindness. Our enemy is the bacteria not each other.
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sparkle7
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I've posted this a few times now...
NutraMedix is currently offering their complete six month protocol free to one patient per healthcare practitioner.
If you are interested, please have your healthcare practitioner contact NutraMedix directly for further information.
NutraMedix can be reached via their web site at http://www.NutraMedix.com or by phone at 561-745-2917.
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I have no vested interest in Cowden or Nutrimedix.
After reading through a bunch of info, the Cowden protocol just seemed to be the easiest one to use.
They send you all the herbs you need plus a schedule as to when to take what.
After being ill for so long, it was hard for me to try to figure out what herbs to take from the Buhner book plus the dosages, where to get them, etc.
If the Nutramedix herbs don't work, I'll try Buhner's recommendations or maybe Zhang or some other herbal protocol.
I think doctors who stick their necks out & come up with alternative protocols are a bit cautious.
Cowden has been under attack. He's an actual MD - so, he does have alot to lose if the FDA or the quackbusters pull him on the carpet.
Buhner doesn't have as much to lose. He's not part of the "medical establishment".
I don't think that Cowden is obligated to release his research that he pays for to other healers.
Like I said, in a perfect world - it would be nice.
I'm sure there are reasons that Cowden is keeping his findings private.
He has written a number of books but I don't think they are about Lyme.
We all need to make a living. The herbs aren't that expensive compared to other medical costs...
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PS - hiker53 - the info about the herbs & the studies Nutramedix has done is on the Nutramedix website. You can also cross-reference any of the herbal formulas with other research done throughout history.
THIS IS MY ASSUMPTION ABOUT THE SITUATION: It's just that Dr. Cowden (not mentioned by name in the Buhner book) did not want to shard the research with everyone in the alternative Lyme community so they could make money off of research that cost Nutramedix money.
Maybe Nutrimedix is all phoney but it's hard to say. I think people are getting better using the protocol.
I'd prefer to give the herbal formulas a chance before trying antibiotics again. I think the abx are potentially damaging & I'd rather try herbal medicine.
I've had Lyme for 10 years - untreated... I don't think it's going to matter much since I already gave the abx a chance last year.
The abx didn't help me at all.
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CherylSue
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I tried Enula for almost a week and worked up to 15 drips twice daily. However, it does have a laxative effect, and I didn't really care for that, so I stopped. I may try again.
I've been on cumanda since July and doxycycline since December. I think I need something a bit more. I'm functioning at 80%, but still suffer from fatigue and lightheadednedss. I'm thinking of trying Buhner's Japanese Knotweed (resveratrol) to see if that may help.
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sparkle7
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I think that may be the point of enula (re: being a sort of purgative).
I'm on the full Cowden & I just started enula plus a bunch of other herbs & supplements as recommended in the protocol.
The issue of doing the full Cowden as opposed to just picking & choosing is that the herbs & supplements may have a synergistic effect.
You may want to continue but combine it with other things to lessen the laxative effect? Just a suggestion...
I guess I'll find out in time if it all works.
From what I know about herbs is that they can take a while before they work.
If people are taking abx for years - I think you just have to give the herbal remedies some time.
They aren't going to necessarily work faster than antibiotics.
It is good to rotate them every so often, in any case.
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Starphoenix
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I am taking Enula. At just four drops a day right now, I'm herxing like wild. I can't believe how sick I've been since starting this. I was willing to try it since I've done Mepron and Malarone before, and I got a brown recluse spider bite recently. I was managing my "normal" TBDs, and then I got some infection(s) from this bite. It's behaving a lot like Babs, and I am familiar with Babs! My LLPA took tests (no results yet), and I have been on Avelox, Clindamycin (from PCP) and now doxy and Enula. Whatever I got is bad. I'm in a highly endemic area for TBDs, and if that spider bit a small animal here, I got more for sure. (It was definitely a spider. We get them in here. I saw one just recently, as a matter of fact. I'm missing tissue now on a foot; I had cellulitis, skin infection, too.)
I'm sorry for digressing.
LLPA said the Enula is for Babs.
Wow. It's been forever since I've been here! I wish I could say it was because I've been doing well. Abx failed me, and I've been giving it a go with rife. I've been under a lot of personal stress, also, and I was just getting depressed coming here. Not that you all aren't supportive. It's just that I can't ignore these illnesses, and, sometimes, I want a little mental break from them.
Short story: Lyme, Babs, Bart since 1985. Not really sure about the Bart now. I was managing rather well except for the severe fibromyalgia I have as a result of the infections. Then, I got this bite.
Back to Enula: I get headaches, sweating, flushing, terrible pain, mood disturbance, dizziness, and more (just can't think well right now). It seems herx-y, but I do wonder about side effects/adverse reactions.
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