Topic: Lyme healed through Jesus - yes this is true
kam
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Hoping to be able to read some of this thread later. That skill is not in use right now.
ONly able to go by the title.
Able to attend church today. Not able to take in a lot of what was being said.
But, did catch the concept that a guy with CP, the speaker, came down with some rare muscle thing....not able to get out of bed, used wheel chair to get around...medical field not able to help, etc.
Happened when he was in 8th grade.
More part of the dead than living for years.
He walked up on the stage today. He has been speaking for the past 8 years...motivational speaker.
He still has CP.
He was able to attend college and get his counseling degree.
His message was not to close the doors on the possibility of your health improving and there being more to life than what you are living now.
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lymebytes
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Blackstone - You have hit a nerve and I must respond...and what exactly is your belief? That a scientist put you together? Hmmmm..food for thought.
Real cure and that means eradication, will never come from medicine or scientist, "scientist' already admit they can't eradicate Lyme.
This absoluely belongs here, it is about healing and MANY people with Lyme are Christians and believers in God and it gives us great hope.
I've always wondered what non-believers do in these circumstances...rely on Md's? Sad, as I said before they can't cure the common cold, they can write an Rx but they can't "cure" anything, only God does that my friend, the one who created all life including yours.
Rights of all must be respected here, that includes the "poster" of this thread and all the Christians here, there are many.
If you are not interested in a thread, simply move on to something that does interest you.
oxygenbabe
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"Real cure and that means eradication, will never come from medicine or scientist, "scientist' already admit they can't eradicate Lyme."
Well now, that's not true. We haven't gotten it yet but there's no reason scientific research, if scientists actually apply themselves to the problem and recognize it for what it is, can't find a cure for lyme.
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quote:Originally posted by lymebytes: Blackstone - You have hit a nerve and I must respond...and what exactly is your belief? That a scientist put you together? Hmmmm..food for thought.
Real cure and that means eradication, will never come from medicine or scientist, "scientist' already admit they can't eradicate Lyme.
This absoluely belongs here, it is about healing and MANY people with Lyme are Christians and believers in God and it gives us great hope.
I've always wondered what non-believers do in these circumstances...rely on Md's? Sad, as I said before they can't cure the common cold, they can write an Rx but they can't "cure" anything, only God does that my friend, the one who created all life including yours.
Rights of all must be respected here, that includes the "poster" of this thread and all the Christians here, there are many.
If you are not interested in a thread, simply move on to something that does interest you.
Please note that I didn't say this discussion was invalid, just that it may not belong here in the midst of a discussion on medical questions.
That said, I was "put together" the same way as you, by the combination and transcription of DNA, offered by my parents. Lots of little A's and T's, G's and C's replicating
I think your comment overlooks many of the scientists and doctors, some even on this board like myself, who are trying to find a cure for Lyme. There was a point in time when people said there would be no cure for the bubonic plague, but thanks to the efforts of scientists being afflicted with plague today is a trip to the ER for the proper antibiotics, not a death sentence. I seem to recall a period in history when faith was seen as the primary remedy for bubonic plague. I don't recall it working so very well.
Just because we don't have a single cure yet for all circumstances (there are people who have been cured of lyme, where cured means "Has more than 95% of their life back and no relapses over a 10 year period or greater. Every case is different), doesn't mean we're not working on one.
Its just plain incorrect to say scientists can't cure anything - A mild ear infection cured by penicillin is, in development, preparation, and application, the work of scientists.
Religion and philosophy are paths towards understanding the "Why", but the "How" is the domain of science.
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Hoosiers51
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oxygenbabe....
I believe what you're saying. I just want to let you know that I "get it." I took a theology class once taught by a Catholic priest, and he was explaining to us about how if you look at pagan mythological "characters" and customs in the first couple centuries after Christ's death, there are a lot of parallels to Christianity.
The Christians at this time were trying to spread their faith, and adapted Christian stories and customs to the pagan's religion, trying to draw parallels. Thus, what we read in the bible may even be Christianity's attempt to mold together different stories passed down from both cultures to adapt their religion to others, so they would understand it and believe it too. Maybe the notion of a virgin birth was a story before Christ, who knows.
I actually took more than one theology class when I was at Notre Dame. It's true, scholars believe there were multiple authors of the books of the bible. Most of the things you are saying are true. I believe the crucifixion took place..... you may not believe everything surrounding it, but denying that Jesus was crucified seems like a stretch!
I feel like you were suggesting that if people who believed all the things in the Bible were more educated and open-minded, they wouldn't believe everything they hear. I just think the point you are missing is that even when people like me understand WHERE these ideas come from, it doesn't really diminish our faith.
When I learned the the authors of the gospels were more than 4 people, it didn't really burst my bubble, so to speak, because I still believe in the message.
What I would like to say, however, is that we are trying to fuse history/science and religion in the same discussion.....but they are fundamentally different topics. You can try to compare them, and it is interesting, but they can't be "fused." If they were fused into one discussion, religion wouldn't be religion anymore, it would be science.
I'm glad this hasn't gotten ugly yet, because it shows how civilized and open-minded Lymenet users are.
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I am confused at the message if it has been written and rewritten by different people??
I have always said I believe Jesus was crucified.... I believe he was a healer and that was taboo than. Was he the son of God??? I dont know... WHo REALLY is God??? Is it the Universe, What and WHO is it???
I believe religion is there to scare people and I do not like that. I am not knocking ANYONE"S religion this is just my personal opinion on different types of religion...from personal experience with "friends" scaring me into thinking that because me and my fiance were not married before moving in with each other and having a baby.. I was sure going to hell and being punished by getting sick.
I am sorry but to tell me I am going to hell because I dont go to Church every sunday, Pray, swear, and had a child with the man I love, is not something that appeals to me.
I do believe in God.. whoever that is... I do believe in Jesus,.. But I do not believe everything written in the Bible... Man likes to manipulate things.
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oxygenbabe
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Hoosiers, faith is the choice of the individual. Your post shows that you were curious and open.
I never questioned there is a historical Jesus. I want to know the man. Obviously he was quite a remarkable man and a towering historical figure. I like to try to listen to his voice as it comes to me, as if through the Venetian Blinds of re-written history and myth. Of course he was crucified--that was a unique form of awful torture devised at that time.
Faith, if you can feel it, can certainly help you through life. There is no doubt about that.
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heiwalove
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i agree, this is a fascinating thread, even though it may not belong in 'medical questions.'
i believe jesus was a great, phenomenal healer, a prophet, but one of many throughout history. was he 'the son of god?' i don't think so, not any more than the rest of us; and i believe christianity, like every other major religion, is based largely on historical myth that has been translated innumerable times and passed down over thousands of years. but that is my opinion only, and i don't claim to know the answers.
faith is a beautiful, vital thing, especially during times of struggle and duress. but i think it's important to acknowledge that your particular faith is not the only one, and there's absolutely no way for you to know that your religion is "right" and everyone else on the planet is wrong, deluded, and going straight to hell. (despite the crusades and widespread christian proselytizing, the majority of people in this world are not christians.)
i'm with shandy: i'm unlikely to join up with a religion whose fundamentalists believe that no matter the good i might do in my lifetime, i'm still going to hell because i'm a lesbian. it's completely ridiculous, really, and i would laugh at it all were it not for the very real fact that this belief is imbedded into our legal system, prevents LGBT folks from accessing many of the rights guaranteed to our hetero brothers and sisters, and results in untold numbers of murders and hate crimes every year.
i will not embrace a god that doesn't embrace me.
all that said, i absolutely believe in faith healing, in miracles, in events we can't logically/rationally explain using our intellects and available five senses only. i believe in something larger than myself: call it god, goddess, nature, the universe, magic, whatever. but i think It's out there, in the stars, in every mundane tree we pass, in everything we do, and in each one of us.
quote:Originally posted by UnexpectedIlls: Wow this is an intense topic....
everyone is going to have their own opinion and their own belief, I guess we cant knock someone for belieing what they believe in. ...
Each person's karma is unique. The mind of faith, however it is reached, is indeed very powerful, and can affect this karma! Life is so special! DS
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You said that brilliantly!! I TOTALLY understand your point because 90% of my friends are gay (gosh I HATE that word) and I also have several family member that are as well. I love them to pieces and would NEVER belive that our "god" would ever persecute anyone for their sexual orientation...
I also believe that you cannot put a label on love...I dont agree with labels.. Your a woman who loves another woman, Like I am a woman who happened to have fallen in love with a man.
I think it's important to have this type of discussion as long as it doent get too heated. I think we all have to respect each others beliefs.... even if we DON'T believe in the same.
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Intimacy with God ~ having a daily, conversational experience with Him is completely foreign when we try to look at scriptures from mental assent.
We cannot even come to God except by faith. I've known more than one person who has said, ``God, if you're real, show me.'' And He does. All those who refute the Bible and pick it apart are doing so with their natural minds.
Scripture says, ``The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him, neither can he know then, because they are spiritually discerned.''
The Bible doesn't contain God, it reveals who He is, His character, His love for us, His plans and destiny for each individual. His love for us and His desire of intimacy is so profound and beyond anything we can imagine, yet accessible to those who want it with their whole heart.
There will always be those Christians who are dogmatic and use Scripture as a hammer. But, Scripture itself says, ``It's His kindness that leads us to repentance.'' (Repent means to turn around, to change a way of thinking.)
My own experience has been an awesome walk of faith. He is there in the good times and He is especially close and comforting in the bad times. I'm not better than anyone else, just forgiven.
I know it looks like foolishness to the non-believer. It is supposed to. God said he chose the foolish things of the world to confound the wise and He has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.
The Holy Spirit is who makes the Bible a living book. He alone can administer, release and declare the words from the Father into the life of the believer.
Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible cuts, kills and destroys. Wars have been fought over phrases in the Bible that men made into doctrines. They were using the Word illegally apart from the Holy Spirit's breath.
Without an encounter with God, Bible believers only become more religious. This is what the world sees too much of in the church. It was the same way in Jesus' day with the Pharisees.
Many have had a bad experience with the church. They are told to come, they are told we love you as you are and then they become a Christian and are told they must change. The love of God is what changes us. Not some person telling us we have to give up this sin or that sin. That is legalism.
I gladly set aside the things that harm me when I experience a relationship with Him. And his conviction is so gentle and sweet, I can't resist laying those things down.
Intimacy with the Creator of the Universe and the Creator of mankind is an experience like none other.
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It is my opinion, that language serves as a gateway of the mind, to understanding the spirit as a concept. Here are the words I have chosen to further my opinion on this discussion.
If the concept of spirit, which is the identification that the individual is one with the environment (yet seemingly separated via their own form and body), and the environment is one with the planet, and the planet one with the solar system, galaxy, universe, and all that is seen and unseen (Or, as people sometimes say, the Alpha and the Omega, God), then it becomes acutely obvious -- even to the scientist, that a higher power is at work manifesting in the natural world. Does that power effect change the way any particular religion states? Is it God, as the closed concept people form in their minds? If you've attributed a label, which doesn't suit you, to a particular process, change it if it will help you better understand it.
It is clear a higher power is at work, in the natural world, which effectively dictates the laws, nature of evolution and change, and the creative concepts that instigate the seemingly infinite changes that form can present.
The natural world, and it's living entities are formed by a process of 'puzzle'. A cell divides only when it has passed through G0 phase, to G1, through Telephase, Anaphase, Metaphase and onward. Something will only do something, if something previously....led to the next step. This is the way our world works.
When it comes to conveying this awareness of being aware, the mind of the individual can only grasp that which has been introduced by the idea previously integrated. The "self" or "You" can't even completely grasp onto your own ideas, given the mind contains both the conscious and unconscious process of integrating stimuli that has been received and processed.
So you, never really completely know, yourself, or what is at any particular moment entirely compatible with what you consider your own best interest.
And so, when you look up at the stars at night, you are seeing yourself. Do you "know" you're seeing yourself, do you realize when you look around you, and talk to other people, that independent of your identity (which is merely a collaboration of ideas inside that you have arbitrarily defined as "you), that you're actually existing in relationship to all that is already you.
If God is all, and all is God, then we are, that which is God. If the Universe is all, and all is the universe, then we are, that which is the universe. Our limited perspective is the only thing which separates us from knowing the bigger picture.
Anyone who is self-aware and able to reflect and think about that, can see the obvious. We are but one form, existing as apart of a whole, though seemingly separate, hanging around in our own minds and bodies. We are like a leaf from a tree, attached to each other. When our time comes, we shall die, our lifeless bodies fall to the ground after changing colors, we decompose, and the roots of that very tree, reabsorb what remains, and gives rise again, to another.
-------------------- I am not a physician, so do your own research to confirm any ideas given and then speak with a health care provider you trust.
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Now...I deleted this post because Keebler told me to. That I had hurt people and more - Keebler says:
thanks for so promptly removing the statements on p. 2 of that thread.
"The "apology" is still a veiled judgement and I believe some could find it still insulting.
At this stage of human awareness, it's not so much as hurting someone's feeling as a direct insult.
LymeNet is for everyone who may have tick-borne disease. By receiving funding as a non-profit with a 501(c)(3) status, any insult or discrimination to a group of people can put LymeNet at risk and then it would not be here for anyone.
I am still not comfortable with some of the phrasing in your "apology" as it makes it quiet clear that you see those who are gay as sinners. And, according to LymeNet rules and the rules for non-profit funding, this is no allowed.
Still, I'll just leave it at that. thanks, again, for attending to the part I had asked about."
This was a PM to me. I regret deleting my post because the following post puts me in a bad light. It makes it sound like I said something bad about people who are gay. - I didn't!
I thought a someone had misplaced judgement on Gays and I was simply saying we are all sinners to "level the field" - that's all! I LOVE GAYS !!!!! I LOVE ALL PEOPLE !!!!!!
I'm sorry I did not communicate this well to all people - but I resent Keebler's accusation that my apology has a "veiled judgement"!!! THAT is NOT true!!!
Keebler - please do not PM me any more. YOU have REALLY hurt my feelings!!!
Peedie
Best of Health and Blessings to you all, Peedie
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heiwalove
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see, that's the thing, peedie. being gay is not a 'sin.' how can consensual love be a sin? my lesbianism is no more a 'sin' than my red hair or my blue eyes or my love of music. it is part of me, it is part of what makes me, me. the notion that i need to be 'forgiven' for loving women is just.. offensive and hurtful and abhorrent.
also, lifelong homosexual bonds abound in nature, and have since the beginning of recorded history.
metallic blue, i really enjoy your posts. thanks for the food for thought.
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WOW , VERY DEEP !!! , First please dont delete this thread .
We all have strong opinions on this subject and thats ok. We all have diferent experinces in life that drive our belifes. Thats ok also. I personaly accepted GOD as my savior fairly recently and have many positive things happening in my life.
We have all heard that GOD works in misterious ways. Some he heals , Some suffer ,ours is not to know why. Its his will . Whats IMPORTANT for ALL is to talk to GOD and ask for his guidance. If its Heartfelt he will surely help us with our struggles in this life.
Keep the faith, GOD loves us ALL. Doc
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Being Gay is not a sin, or it would never have happened in the first place. People were gay in the same time Jesus was here... its been here since the beginning of time.
How could loving someone be a sin??... That makes no sense and if God loves, he loves us ALL just the way we are...Gay, straight, bi, anyway,..... because we were all made in his image (says it in the "bible")
Didnt he already die on the cross for all of our sins... Then why do we consistently need to repent? I mean it doesnt give us the right to do bad things...I know I am a good person and I am sure God knows that as well.
I really don't like that people call being Gay a sin.. that is ludicrous... it is wrong... They are just as human as any "straight" person with arms, legs, and a heart to love. For us to even have to seperate "Us"(straight) from "them" (gay) is so ridiculous to me.. why dont we just go back to the days where we segragated the whites from the blacks... We found out real quick that wasnt the way...
and its a damn SHAME that it took this long for gay couples to be given the same rights as straights to be married... No one should have to fight for love... It's sad that to this day we still have to fight for gays to have equal rights... just like the women had to, just like blacks had to...
I hope my use of the word "blacks" does not offend.. its not the way I mean it.. Just trying to make a point.
I feel that putting fear into someone is not a good way to live.... I believe in God (whoever that is) and I believe Jesus was a healer... I believe he was a prophet... How could we live in this world and NOT believe in a higher power..
I am not a "religious" person... I wasnt brought up that way, but I was brought up knowing that there was something bigger out there. I went to church a couple of times and I learned real fast taht it was not for me. I dont need to tell all my sins to a man I dont know.. when I can talk to God myself right at home.
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I'm sorry if I offended people here who are in a gay relationship. Please accept my apology.
I was simply stating a fact as it is written in the bible. You can accept it - or reject it.
So many rules to live by in the bible - like we should not "judge" people.
The point I was trying to make was to simply "level the field". That is to say as a Christian, I (for example) am no better than you - or the next person. Again, we are all sinners. Humbling isn't it.
We are all in this world together. I really hate it when People "target" a particular sin because we are all sinners. (also in the bible)
The point is - there is no point. Do not focus on these things. He is a loving God. He wants us to love one another.
I don't wish to express the love of God in such a way that people can interpret my words to mean otherwise. I told you earlier - I have no talent for this.
So I will sign off from this thread and remind you that God loves you unconditionally.
I continue to pray for the health for all who post here. Because that is the best I can do - the only way possible to help us all.
I love you too, Peedie
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Peedie.. Dont sign off from the thread... I was simply stating my thoughts on Gay relationships..not meant to hurt you in anyway. Your belief is important to you just as mine is to me...
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Personal beliefs are one thing. Still, we must be fair. We must be as careful with language as with intent to be sure fairness prevails.
Actually, in all fairness, sexual orientation is not open for discussion or judgement. It is what it is. Such distinction really does not belong here as anyone can get tick-borne disease - people of any race, religion, political or sexual orientation.
We are all the same to a tick.
We must be careful as we use language to be sure to avoid insults rising from a "personal belief" - phrased in a way to be unfair or to put others down.
As a non-profit that receives funds under 501(c)(3) status, statements that insult anyone, or any group of people, are against charter rules.
We need LymeNet for everyone.
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