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***For those who don't think America is doing this****
Please go back to my post early in this thread where I link to NASA and their use of Photon Therapy.
They are not doing nosodes and lyme treatment but they certainly give great credibility to the authenticity of Photon Light Therapy.
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I read the science behind it and it looks promising. I'd be interested in hearing of your experiences with it.
Does anybody have an account at Lymenet Europe? Maybe you might want to ask if anybody there has had experience with it or knows somebody that has.
A word of warning - there are some members over there that might start frothing at the mouth at the mention of anything non-abx.
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yeah, i don't think lymenet europe is the place to ask about this. maybe the eurolyme yahoo group, if anyone belongs to that? i'm not sure of their stance on alternative treatments..
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When Tosho listed the German Lyme-forums the other day, I checked some of them out - could not find anything relating to photon therapy. Same as here. Just take a look here - haven't counted the people showing an interest here, but considering how many frequent this board over the years, hardly a few take notice openly.
Many people remain lurkers and many are happy with abx. As long as the drug companies can sell their antibiotics, nothing is ever going to change. Too bad.
Take care.
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quote:Originally posted by luvs2ride: Please go back to my post early in this thread where I link to NASA and their use of Photon Therapy.
I can't find this post.
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Six,
I'm sorry. I think my post was under GiGi's thread. Let me go look.
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FYI - this LED device is similar to the Bionic 880 but costs $295.
It is not exactly the same & I am not saying people should use this instead... but if you want to try far infrared healing at home without having to find a practicioner - you may be interested in trying this device.
I'm going to do a bit more research but I am considering buying it - so, I can't say, personally, if this is a helpful device.
There is alot of good evidence that NIR is helpful for many ailments.
The LightWorks generates an intense LED Light output using Constant-Current. The Hand Paddle has high intensity LEDs on both sides.
One side has 60 Red LEDs at a wavelength of 660nm.
The other side of the Hand Paddle has 55 high intensity Near-Infrared (NIR) LEDs at a wavelength of 880nm.
There are also 5 Red LEDs at 660nm wavelength on the NIR side of the paddle to indicate the NIR LEDs are working as NIR light is invisible to the human eye.
In Auto function, the lights cycle through 8 unique therapeutic modes* for 4 minutes each. You can also manually select a pulse rate or constant (no pulse) mode.
Constant current of 20 milliamps per LED (Constant current ensures each LED has the same output and that each LED works under optimal electrical conditions.)
Very High Intensity LED Output. (Red 660nm LEDs output ~197 mW Total, and the NIR 880nm LEDs output ~228 mW Total)
The 660nm Red LED side puts out 177 Joules in 15 minutes (in Constant Mode).
The 880nm NIR LED side puts out 205 Joules in 15 minutes (in Constant Mode).
Unit functions and Frequencies controlled by Micro-Computer
Hand Paddle connects to base unit with standard telephone cord
Compact and lightweight.
CE Certification
The LightWorks is a professionally designed quality unit, thoroughly tested and guaranteed to operate as per the specifications.
LightWorks LED System $295.00 (Incl S&H in USA & Canda)
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Thank you luvs (and Sparkle).
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Just came back from Pam Weintraub's booking signing and her discussion of lyme and the scientific community. Excellent discussion!
I basically canvassed a few people and many lymies there don't participate in lymenet. So a great many people don't know of these threads of information we've discussed.
I'm trying to involve the leaders first then go to some of their meetings and talk about the technology and hope to drive interest.
It is alot of work. Six that is why I said I was really busy this week during lymechat.
One point Pam made which I took to heart is how we need to band together. Not to necessarily change the political landscape. Instead to fund our own self interest which is full remission. I think in doing a group we are taking that step.
Just a note : we should never ever ever say the cure word. It is a four letter word.
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6goofy - there's alot of info about far infrared healing if you do a search on google.
I think there's more studies of FIR than of Rife or other electro devices. The studies don't necessarily have to do with Lyme directly but there is significant evidence of FIR & healing.
It being explored by the military for wound healing, as well.
I'll post more articles when I find them.
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re: "need to band together"
I agree with this. I'm not expecting the gov't to change dramatically anytime soon.
It's been over 30 years that people have been getting Lyme. All we get is confusion & disinformation...
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At the present time, our Bionic 880, is still stuck at customs/FDA/Medical Tool in Wilmington, Ohio.
Can anyone guess how happy we feel about this right now ----- ?????
Take care.
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Reallllllllly happy for you GiGi, Hopefully it will be released soon.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: At the present time, our Bionic 880, is still stuck at customs/FDA/Medical Tool in Wilmington, Ohio.
Can anyone guess how happy we feel about this right now ----- ?????
Take care.
Ohio? Hmmm, maybe I can sneak up there and use it while it's stuck here!
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I'm sorry that all of this created a big controversy & GiGi had to remove the main thread about the Bionic 880.
The info may have been useful to people who browse the internet for info.
I hope the machine gets through customs & arrives quickly.
In any case, this opened up a whole new doorway to thinking about Lyme & infrared therapy for me... and just thinking about using light for healing in general.
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Many thanks to all of you who are researching, sharing your thoughts and experiences about this!!
I've read this thread 3 times and I'm still lost!! That's okay---I'll just keep an eye on it until it makes since to me.
Y'all are talking back and forth to each other, (most, not everyone) and seem to be pretty versed in this.
For those of us that are 'NEWBIES'----we're lost!
By the time I get to the 4th or 5th post; I've already forgotten what I read in the first post! UNFORTUNITELY, THIS IS PART OF THIS FRUSTRATING DISEASE!!!
I'm not looking for a responce and I REALLY DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE RUDE OR STEP ON ANYONES TOES!!!
Someone became very frusterated with a NEWBIE, stating that they will not repeat themselves. I'm sure it's very frusterating to be asked the same questions over and over again.
This NEWBIE apolgized and promised not to ask anymore questions!!!!!!! THAT IS THE SADDEST THING I'VE SEEN LATELY!!!!
This girl is at her wits end! She is hurting so much, emotionally and physchally! She saw this and she got excited, praying that maybe there is hope with this! Unfortunitally, she was emarressed to the point that she has not been back on this thread.
I AM SURE THAT MANY OF YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS/OR IS LIKE TO BE SO ILL THAT YOU CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU'VE READ. OR---YOU READ IT 4,5,MAYBE 6 TIMES AND STILL FIND YOURSELF SCRATHING YOUR HEAD THINKING "Why am I not getting this???!!!!" I know that I do it all the time and it is soooo darn frusterating!!
I've met many wonderful poeple here that I just don't know what I would have done without them. I'm very thankful for that.
EXAMPLE: I know that many of you are following Byrons' thread on the new treatment.
A few weeks ago, she had sent be all of the info on this new Dr.
When I read the thread recently, I was so happy for her and excited and asked for all of the info.
As sick as she is right now, she took the time to send me 3 PM's!
Then I realized that she had already sent me everything 3 weeks ago, but somehow I had forgotten agout it!!! :^{
I SO appreiciate that, and she didn't even mention that she'd already sent it!
Please be a little more patient with those who are so ill, they just don't understand what they're even reading.
I hope I hav'nt upset anyone!! It's just that getting as upset as unexpectedills was, could be enought to push her over the edge!!!
I know----I've been there
Thank you
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It's been over 30 years that people have been getting Lyme.
It's been far longer than that!!
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Posted this on another thread today and thought it would be of interest for you hardworking group builders!
Actual treatment time took two weeks and a couple of days. Rest is just appointments for checking to make sure everything still negative as far as nosode testing.
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As I promised, here is the gist of my conversation this morning with a patient who was treated by Dr. Woitzel with the Photon Therapy (Bionic 880).
I called our family friend who still lives in my home town in Germany. A retired professional. She lives about half an hour away from Dr. Woitzel.
She started the conversation with exactly these words: ``I am sooooo happy!'' She is symptom-free.
``I was there five times, and with the third time I already noticed that my pains were getting less, and now I go once every four weeks; next week, that is my last time, because he will be testing me if really all borrelia is gone.''
``What impressed me especially is that I received no chemicals of any kind, only the photon therapy. following it got some infusions to help the detoxification to take place.''
I asked her: Did you react strongly to the first treatment?
``No, absolutely not.''
You didn't notice anything?
``Nothing. The first time I thought--- well I was tired - The third time that's when I noticed that I got nauseous in the night and I got diarrhea. But that was one time, and then I knew that my body was pushing all of this out.''
How sick were you? How long did you - did you know that you got bit by a tick?
``Yes, I was bit in June 2006 and got this red circle - then I went to an emergency doctor on the weekend. Then I got antibiotica for 20 days. Then I told my PCP that I had the feeling this is not all okay yet. And he said: there is nothing we can do and just wait it out. I waited, but went then to a naturopath, because I was always tired and felt run-down. He determined that there still was something there. But he said that he was not as experienced in this matter, but that we at least start strengthening my immune system. That is what we did, and then in November 2007 the pain really started to take over in the joints, and always as soon as I was lying down. They got so severe by January this year that I went back to the naturopath telling him I couldn't tolerate it any longer. I didn't want to go to my PCP, because he wouldn't do anything anyway.
Then the naturopath told me he didn't know what to do at this point, but he gave me this address that he found on the internet. He said''you can go there. I do not know the man.'' And then I thought `help, no matter what'. I called there and the practice helper told me ``yes, many come to us who have this. Stop by.''
She said: " All that impressed me, but what impressed me most was that Dr. Woitzel then contacted my naturopath to get some more of my history. He at once asked for the naturopath's name and address and telephoned him. That really impressed me very much, because I had never experienced anything like that.
He told me the last two times when I was there that it looks okay. He tests me everytime. I don't know if I will have to go another time, but I have an appointment.
Further general discussion between her and me:
She also said that Dr Woitzel told her that this disease is increasing horribly, not only by ticks, but also flies and mosquitos. He told her that it is a very dangerous situation.
She said he also told her to be careful. That one is not immune to the next bite. She told me that she another tick got her this year already, no reddening, but that she would tell him when she sees him next week. `` It was a very little one and I noticed it right away. But he told me to be careful.''
I asked her: Did you do anything in the inbetween days? Two days apart and then again? No, nothing was done during those days. ``I was surprised myself that this went so quickly.''
``It takes about an hour for the treatment. That isn't bad at all. They touch the ten different points on the body, 320 seconds, and when that time is up, drink a glass of water. And then to the next point (on the body) ---that's all'' she said.
I told her how happy I was to be able to talk to her and she wished us the same success and that we might get together because my brother still lives in the same town. I told her that I was hopeful that my husband could be helped also.
Then she added: ``I must tell you this: Dr. Woitzel does not give up. I have an acquaintance who had Borrelia, but she has a number of other problems (pain related) and he is treating that particular symptom. He does not give up. My hat is off to him.''
She also said ''we need a lot more doctors like him.''
Amen --- says me.
Hope that gives you an idea of how it works.
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Wow GIGI that is owesome.Did you received your machine yet ?
Yes we really need some doctors like him over here.
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GiGi, thanks so much for sharing that conversation. how exciting!!
i wonder if dr. k would be interested in purchasing the device and using it in his office?? i hope so.
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Bob, I will add this bit of good news (my husband says I am full of it) here to keep your thread going.
I just wanted to make certain that I understood things right, i.e. that all co-infections, such as
Babesia
Bartonella hens
Ehrlichiosa
Mycoplasma pneu
Chlamydia pneu
Rickettsia rickettsii /
Borrelia - burgdorferi
are automatically treated with the Borrelia nosodes, i.e. the different potencies of Borrelia nosode treat Borrelia and all co-infections at the same time, in the same treatment. In other words, they are all covered by the first five treatments in a little over two weeks. They are not separately (energetically) tested. They are automatically a part of the treatment via Borrelia nosodes.
This was confirmed to me by Dr. Woitzel today.
(I have always looked at these critters as being cousins. I guess the Borrelia just opens the door and the photons invite the cells to communicate with each to 'get this house in order.')
Isn't that good news?
Take care.
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Really great news on both posts.
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Alv, I instructed customs/FDA to send it back to the sender. I am not going to sit and wait any longer. It is sad!!!! The company will have to get into fast gear. It is in five European countries.
Heather, I don't know - he is on a trip just getting back. A.R. is as happy about it as we are.
Take care.
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So, GiGi, does this mean we can't bring one of these machines here? Will you be able to pick it up in Germany and bring it over yourself? I don't understand.
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If there is no way to get this here and GiGi has good results on her upcoming trip, we should all get a flight to Germany and party hard on the way back...
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They may be able to make a device similar to the Bionic 880.
The important thing is to have the exact amount of LEDs that the Bionic 880 uses (I think it was 84 LEDs with the 880 nm range)
And, to have a computer attached that pulses the LEDs to the same frequencies as the Bionic 880. This information about the frequencies is provided on the website of the Bionic 880.
It shouldn't be too hard to replicate the same features as the Bionic 880...
I don't know for certain if this will work but it's worth a try.
There are also other devices available in the US that are similar to the Bionic 880. I have posted the info several times.
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I think you are likely simplifying things greatly. I don't think that it is easy to replicate this and why try when there is a device that already appears to be proven?
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I do know that the Bionic 880 was several years in the making, while Dr. Woitzel was doing his balancing act reaching the results he gets today. Every company has their secrets. I used to work for Porsche in the fifties. The competition was always looking over the fence!
I am all for getting any of the hundreds of other instruments if they do the job like Bionic 880 does.
So far, this is the only instrument in the world at this moment that does what it does - it gets the Lyme and all the other critters and toxins out of the way in minimum time ---- Just think -- two weeks and a few! I do not want to lose another day if I can help it. And you guys can then go back to work with a fantastic brain, a healthy body, and make up for lost time! I will just tend to my vegetable garden.
Take care.
P.S. I will bring this box back to complete the healing here.
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quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: If there is no way to get this here and GiGi has good results on her upcoming trip, we should all get a flight to Germany and party hard on the way back...
Maybe we can all charter a flight and book a block of rooms.
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quote:Originally posted by GiGi: P.S. I will bring this box back to complete the healing here.
So, do I understand this correctly? You cannot have one sent over, but if you go get it yourself you can bring it into the country?
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hey six, I'll bring the krispy kremes for a snack on the plane.
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O my, I hit the big number - 5500 posts - It's time for me to close up. Though it looks that they can't cound beyond 55001.......... welll
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quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: hey six, I'll bring the krispy kremes for a snack on the plane.
I hope the 880 gets candida then!!!
Gigi, my post must have gotten lost in the banter ... are you able to bring an 880 back from Germany when you go? Is it only having one sent over that is the problem?
Congratulations on the 5501 posts!
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re Scott: "I think you are likely simplifying things greatly. I don't think that it is easy to replicate this and why try when there is a device that already appears to be proven?"
Well, the Bionic 880 is (I think) 6,000 euros...(that's about $10,000) as opposed to less expensive devices.
From what I could see, there are 3 components -
1. number of LEDs 2. computer driven pulse rates in a particular frequency 3. nanometer penetration (880 nm)
What else is there? These components can be replicated for less money.
I guess it would be nice to have a Mercedes Benz but all I can afford right now is a used Ford...
The LightWorks by SOTA has similar components. I've compared them at length on another thread. The LightWorks is $295.
I don't think the use of nosodes & light is a proprietary function of just the Bionic 880. Isn't there a nurse who uses a green laser & various remedies?
I might be mistaken but I'm willing to put out the $295 to try the LightWorks when I get the money.
If you have $10,000 to spend on this - that's great but I don't. You don't even know if they will allow them to be imported.
This technology may even be supressed so it's probably a good idea to look into alternatives.
I think all of this is wonderful but I have a feeling that there are ways to accomplish the same task for less money.
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Repeating my previous comment:
I am all for getting any of the hundreds of other instruments if they do the job like Bionic 880 does.
Sparkle, go get them. I will be the first one to jump on. Talking and arguing about it here does not get us very far. Call the people whose instruments you have researched which come close and could be altered - tweaked - . I would just love to hear about it. I would cancel our trip!
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Sparkle you've got the ball, lets find a vendor to get it close to the specifications. We might as well try it, the bionic 880 is just starting to apply for FDA approval, that could be a year or more. Once we're satisified with a device, lets get it energetically tested and see where it goes from there.
If it doesn't work what have we lost trying. We don't have anything like it now. So, you either go to germany or we influence a reasonable clone.
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The Maryland group is still growing adding two new members today. We are going to continue to grow until we reach 25 and add some alternates just in case.
After GiGi posted the information about needing to find out more about Dr. Ws protocol, I suspect it prudent to go into wait mode until more is known. GiGi will be going to Germany for her husbands treatment. GiGi will better understand the protocol and inform us on what is necessary for it to work.
The only actions the Maryland group will continue during this time. Is to continue to grow the group and to involve and inform health practioners who will be working with the group during treatment.
When GiGi gets back from Germany we will determine what next steps to take.
To all our health, Bob
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Does any one know if there is a group in the united states with the Bionic 880 machine
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The first one is in Washington, GiGi has it.
I'm glad you brought up this thread. For those who want to continue with the bionic 880 group for Maryland please post. I want to get a machine ordered by mid september.
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