GiGi is in Germany now for a few weeks exploring this.
She will be posting back at this tread - unless she makes a new one at that time.
Mati is also exploring this in a different place. You can follow her here as well or at the thread above . . . or keep your eyes open for any new posts by Mati.
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Can anyone find out if the LED's in Bionic are "binned"? Is that why they're expensive like the Nasa device? This is really important--Lymie in MD can you find out? I don't have the energy right now, I have a knee problem that is totally preoccupying me.
The second thing is--how did they arrive at the particular frequencies they chose? Are these considered general healing frequencies, or did they arrive at them after long experimentation? Why did they not choose Nogier frequencies and do they know about those? There are six frequencies.
Somebody has to make a call to the manufacturer of the company and I'm sure they speak English.
I really need to know this as I've heard back from Soto instruments adn will talk to them tomrorow. They do not bin their LED's so there is a range in each one, but the strength is comparable inf act Sota is a bit stronger. Sota has 80 LED's.
If we're going to think about using Sota--and if it doesn't work, then find a way to afford Bionic, and that is, IF Gigi reports from users, the doctors and hubby that there is improvement, then...we really need to understand this.
NOgier frequencies are very powerful. I know as the Chee Energy device uses them.
I'm hoping to get a Sota device for my knee anyway.
Can someone else pursue the answers above? I'm good at analyzing data but I don't have any room/time to do that with other problems (knee).
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Nogier had his reasons based on research to choose certain frequencies. The frequencies chosen for the bionic 880 came from Fritz Popp's work, probably more advanced then Nogier's. Just a guess!
I'll email the manufacturer today with the question about LEDs. I'll let you know when I have a response.
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I decided to go to see Dr Woitzel instead due to my mercury problem and have an appointment on August 8th. I stay in the area for 3 weeks, for 2 treatments a week. I can't wait!
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Bob, thanks for helping out. I spoke with Sota today, and they figure that a lot of research must have been done on 880 to even support the claims they're making. I ordered one oftheir devices as I may have torn my meniscus, have to get an MRI, hurts like heck. It takes a while to get it from Canada and btw shipping ain't cheap so....whatever online source offered free shipping that Sparkle found, is a good deal.
Mati--let us know what happens!
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I don't know... if you compare the mW of the LightWorks & the Lumen Photon 90 they are very similar.
Is it really worth the extra $600?
I don't see that the company that makes Bionic 880 is actually saying that it cures people. Testimonials are very different than claiming that it cures diseases.
It's also different in Europe about this kind of stuff than in the US. These things have to be approved by the FDA if they are to be used by professionals in regards to "curing" illnesses in the US...
There's alot of politics involved in this stuff. Big Pharma is king.
Using an LED array at home is a different matter.
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Bob- re: The frequencies chosen for the bionic 880 came from Fritz Popp's work, probably more advanced then Nogier's. Just a guess!
I wouldn't necessarily assume this... Nogier is very respected. He came up with the whole concept of ear acupuncture. The Chinese weren't doing it prior to the 1970's.
He went to China & verified that the acupuncture points on the ear did actually correspond with meridians throughout the body.
He did studies & came up with the Nogier frequencies. He was a pretty bright guy... not that Fritz Popp isn't (another pun...).
I think Fritz Popp is more a physicist than a medical man. I might be wrong, though.
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I know Dr. Nogier is very respected. Dr Popp is a biophysicist not just physics. His specialty is the research of biophotons and how they affect the body. He's one of the top researchers in the world on this. If he determined frequencies they may just be more advanced then anyone else.
Dr. Popp and Dr. Zhang a top researcher from china teamed up to put a paper on proving how meridians work. There proof is scientific and they used biophotons as a tool in this proof. Dr. Popp has been researching biophotons from nature in many species but especially the human anatomy. He's been researching all biophotons since the latter 70's.
The study of biophotons are also being done in Russia and in the United States specifically NASA and some universities. I still believe the ultimate authority is still in Germany.
By the way, I did email the manufacturer of the 880 today. We'll see if any info is forthcoming.
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As I posted on the other thread about this topic going at the same time, I think these two threads should be combined.
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I am going to Germany! I spoke with Dr. W's office this morning and have an appointment in early September.
I've been thinking about it for weeks and just decided waiting was stupid.
They are able to see me sooner than that but I am not able to get away before Sept.
Hopefully by then we will have heard from GiGi and others and if it's not all we hope it's cracked up to be, I can cancel.
His consultation and treatments are so reasonable, I figure I will have already spent that much $$ on the things I am doing now and can just taper off on them.
I will have to be there 3 weeks but the person I spoke to said "the disease will be gone." ?!?!?! Hope she's right.
A kind and generous family member is helping me be able to do this and I am very grateful.
So pleased to hear you got it sorted out. I am trying to find accomodation in the area, and possibly fly from Berlin. Are you flying to Stuttgart?
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Hi mati - just trying to research all of that right now. The closest airport etc.
There was a link for apartments that GiGi posted awhile back that are about 12 miles from his office. I'm looking into that too.
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Sounds great! Good luck!
I feel kind of silly squirming around looking for alternatives to the real thing... but that's all I can afford right now.
If I could, I'd go to get the "official" treatment.
I stayed up very late last night researching & I have found some other doctors & scientists who are working with light in various ways for healing.
There's a clinic in Canada that specializes in light medicine for pain. I'll post the info when I get it more organized in my mind. I'm having a migraine right now.
There are other doctor/scientists who are working with light for healing other than Fritz Popp.
Germany seems to be a logical place to go for treatment for Lyme since they have had borrellia there for longer then we have had Lyme here. I think they also have Bb there now, too, & they are starting to get tick borne encephalitis, as well...
I really hope this treatment works! The world really needs it.
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Sparkle - don't feel silly looking for alternatives. I've looked at them all as well and you provide us with great information.
The ONLY reason I am able to go to Germany (I can't even work) is because I have an amazing 20 year old son who is truly one of the finest human beings I know.
He really wants his Mom back 100% and has made it possible for me to go.
I swore I would never take money from my kids but he wants he really wants this for me so.....
The world could use more people like him and I am blessed to have him for a son.
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Sparkle, you feel silly for trying to do something affordable? I wouldn't feel silly
However, we just have to wait and see whether this approach is truly valid. Be open but skeptical.
Second, we need to know why Bionic 880 chose those frequencies.
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Sparkle, I have great admiration and respect for all the information you've supplied. Your doing the best you can with what you have. You are certainly a trailblazer and there is nothing to feel bad about. And purchasing an LED now can only be a positive to your current treatment. I can't see how you could lose by trying it.
The road least traveled has new twist and turns yet. GiGi will have greater insight as what to do next based on her experience. I'm sure it will all blend.
I sent a message to the vendor about our questions. I just haven't had an answer yet.
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Thanks guys. I'm having an ill day today... Just feeling really yucky. I hate being non-functional.
You may want to check into these links -
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Millennium Health Institute Inc. in Toronto, Canada
They have their own proprietary formulas for biophotonic healing
They have info on the website about the Bionic 880 & Lyme. Someone may want to call to see if they do the treatments there. I'm not sure if it's cheaper than going to Germany.
Good for you Nana. I'm glad to hear there's hope for the next generation!
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Called Millennium Health Institute Inc. in Toronto, Canada & they said that they don't treat Lyme - unless it's the pain associated with Lyme.
I explained the situation to the secretary & she said someone "may" get back with me. I'll be holding my breath...
If someone gets a chance, they may want to try calling the place in Spain. I would but it's too late here - they are about 6 hours ahead from the NYC time zone.
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I doubt it's cheaper ... my daughter is spending next semester in Spain (so I'd prefer to go there ), and her tickets were about $1300 round trip. I'd really rather go to Spain ... I even speak Spanish! But I think in the end, if you're going to Europe anyway, you may as well go to the ones who have developed the Lyme treatment.
I keep hoping you'll come up with something that works Sparkle.
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So what corporation will send a private jet for us ?
It'd be so much kinder to frazzled brains and weary bodies - maybe they have to travel anyway and would love to offer an empty seat.
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Does anyone know who actually came up with this therapy? Was it actually Dr. Woitzel (spelling?), or does it have to do with the Bionic 880 company?
If it's the company's protocol - I think anyone would be able to learn it who has the device. There are practicioners all over Europe.
GiGi might have felt more comfortable going to Germany since she's from there. It does make sense to go to Dr. W if he has alot of experience but it may not be necessary - there are people with the device in England, too, & they speak English. It's not a big deal since most people in Europe also speak English.
I might be able to order the LightWorks tomorrow!!! I think I got the money together. Keep your fingers crossed. I still have to get the nosodes, though. I'll probably just use it without the nosodes in the beginning.
You may want to check out some info by the Canadian Health place (as above) in Toronto. The doctors there have patented a device & the frequencies to treat a bunch of ailments. (It's called the Salansky protocol or something.)
So - I'm not sure if having the correct, exact frequency & a special light (LED) or wavelength is an important part of the treatment for each particular illness.
I don't know if it's like Rife in that respect. I guess we'll see. This may just be a way people can patent their "brand" of light modulation & make money.
The guy at Elixa just thinks it's having the correct wavelength & that any basic array will work.
Please keep posting if you find anything out!
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Hi, Another pioneer checking in. My husband has an appointment with Dr. W on July 3rd. We are "cautiously optimistic" about the treatment and are treating the trip as an adventure!
I'm excited but trying not to get my hopes up too much, like many of you, he has been sick a long time. Will post when we return.
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Good luck, Clancy! I think everyone here is rooting for a favorable outcome for you & your husband.
Keep us posted.
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Maybe this should be a side note or another thread but it's some info about a patent that has been applied for regarding light therapy by the Dr. Salanskys (it's a couple - the Salansky protocol) of the clinic in Toronto, Canada.
Phototherapy (PT) relates to the use of electromagnetic radiation to stimulate biological phenomena that promotes healing or aesthetic changes in tissue. In the early 1960s, European scientists began studies on the use of low energy light beams of specific wavelengths and frequencies to treat damaged cell tissue by altering cellular functions and enhancing healing non-destructively.
Low level laser therapy (LLLT) followed by light emitting diode (LED) therapy were developed and applied to the treatment of dermatological, musculoskeletal, soft tissue and neurological conditions.
It is well documented now that a wide range of disorders of biological tissue or their symptoms have been treated by PT [1-26], including but not limited to acute and chronic musculoskeletal conditions such as arthritis, degenerative disc and joint diseases, bone spurs, back and joint pain, tendonitis, muscle pain and stiffness and myofascial pain.
PT has also been used to treat such conditions as post surgical complications such as swelling, inflammation, scarring and stiffness; acute trauma and chronic post-traumatic conditions in the soft tissues and bones including sprains, strains, wounds, whiplash; repetitive strain injuries such as carpal tunnel syndrome, tennis and golfer's elbow; neurological and neuromuscular conditions, dermatological conditions such as burns, acne, herpes simplex, psoriasis, skin cancer and ulcers including infected or non-infected chronic ulcers of different etiology such as venous ulcers, diabetic ulcers, decubitus ulcers, pressure sores, burns and post-traumatic ulcers, as well as seasonal depression.
PT has also been reported to reduce wrinkles, and induce relaxation.
In a study funded by a NASA Small Business Innovation Research contract, Whelan and his team [1] studied the influence of PT treatment using LEDs on cells grown in culture, on ischemic and diabetic wounds in rat models, and on acute and chronic wounds in humans.
Their studies utilized a variety of LED wavelengths, power, and energy density to identify conditions for biostimulation of different tissues.
They found that PT using LEDs produced in vitro increases of cell growth of 140-200% in mouse-derived fibroblasts, rat-derived osteoblasts, and rat-derived skeletal muscle cells, and increases in growth of 155-171% of normal human epithelial cells.
PT using LEDs produced improvement of greater than 40% in musculoskeletal training injuries in Navy SEAL team members, and decreased wound healing time in crew members aboard a U.S. Naval submarine.
Lacerations doubled their healing rate when exposed to the LED light. Some injuries treated with the LEDs healed in just seven days, compared to unexposed injuries that took two weeks.
Whelan and colleagues also found that lights help wounds that are normally very difficult to heal such as diabetic skin ulcers, serious burns and the severe oral sores caused by chemotherapy and radiation [1].
Their investigations take place in laboratory and human trials, approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
Recent in vivo and clinical studies suggest that lasers can induce phenomena in injured tissues which promote acceleration of recovery after acute trauma [19-21].
Faster edema reduction and lymph flow enhancement were observed in laser-treated animals after surgery in mice [20] and rat arthritis [21].
Faster edema resolution and regeneration at cut blood and lymph vessels were observed in the laser treated group in the study performed on 600 mice [20].
It was also found that laser light induced local microcirculation improvement resulting in relief of local spasm of arteriolar and venular vessels, intensification of blood flow in nutritional capillaries, anastomosis opening and activation of neoangiogenesis [17].
One of the best documented PT treatments that has been in routine use in hospitals for many years, is the treatment of hyperbilirubinemia, a condition where there is an elevated level of bilirubin in an infant's blood.
Normally bilirubin is conjugated within the liver and excreted.
However, during the initial neonatal period the infant's liver may be too immature to conjugate bilirubin.
Phototherapy is the treatment of choice for neonatal hyperbilirubinemia and has been used for many years with no known negative side effects.
Bilirubin has absorption bands in the visible wavelengths region of the spectrum between 400 and 500 nm with a maximum absorption approximately in the 450-460 nm region.
There is a clear dose-response relationship as demonstrated by a decrease in the bilirubin level proportional to the level of exposure to light.
Ultraviolet (UV) radiation has been used to treat dermatological diseases such as psoriasis since the early 20th century.
However, UV radiation produces ionization and therefore has the potential to damage biomolecules.
As a result, the dosage or exposure must be controlled carefully to avoid damage to biological tissue.
There are also reports on successful treatment of aesthetic problems, using PT.
Particularly, decreasing of cellulites and wrinkles when treated with radiation of selected wavelength in the visible and NIR part of the spectrum has been reported.
Quite recently, the combined approach of using light as a very specific mechanism to trigger the effects of specialized pharmaceuticals has been developed.
This approach, called photodynamic therapy (PDT) uses certain drugs, which for example are preferably adsorbed at tumors which, when irradiated with visible light, initiate cytotoxic photochemical reactions that produce local tumor necrosis.
Another recent application of PDT is the use of photosensitizer drugs that exert an anti-microbial effect only when irradiated with light of a certain wavelength.
Activated with light, the drug produces potent anti-microbial molecules that kill neighboring micro-organisms, mainly by physically damaging their cytoplasmic membranes [26].
Most photosensitive substances used in photodynamic therapy are activated at wavelengths between 300 nm and 800 nm.
Light emitting diodes are typically used to treat surface conditions while a laser coupled to a fiber optic catheter is often used to treat sub-surface regions.
Subcutaneous tissue may also be treated using an external light source that emits light at a wavelength that penetrates the cutaneous layer overlying the tissue to be treated.
Currently, therapeutic benefits have been reported for wavelengths ranging from UV radiation to the near-infrared (N-IR) region of the spectrum [1-26].
Current research suggests that when phototherapy is used within this wide range of wavelengths for treatment of a particular medical condition, light may interact with tissue at the molecular, cellular, and organism levels.
At a molecular level, light therapy methods are based on photochemical conversion of non-specialized photoacceptor molecules (i.e. molecules that can adsorb light at certain wavelengths but are not incorporated into the light reception organs).
These non-specialized photoacceptors can be cell native components or can be introduced artificially, as in a case of photodynamic therapy.
In the case of adsorption of light of a specific wavelength by a native photoacceptor with corresponding excitation of their electronic states, the cellular metabolism can be altered [2,3].
More specifically, Karu [2,3, 15] suggested that irradiation of isolated mitochondria induces changes in cellular homeostasis, which entail a cascade of reactions, and proposed a number of the components of the respiratory chain that can trigger the reactions.
Currently it is speculated, that the biological effects of low level visible light is through photochemistry (probably electronic excitations of enzymes [2,3,15]), and the biological effect of infrared radiation is due to photophysical effects on the cell membrane level, mainly through molecular rotation and vibrations modifying the ion channels in membranes [13] that influence the total cascade of molecular events and leads to biostimulation.
In order to identify a photoacceptor molecule, experiments on cell cultures were performed to obtained action spectra, which is a plot of the relative efficiencies of different wavelengths of light in causing a biological response (such as proliferation, migration, collagen synthesis, autocrine production of growth factors etc.) [ 1,2,3].
It is known [2] that within certain limits an action spectrum follows the absorption spectrum of the photoacceptor molecule.
By comparison the obtained absorption spectrum of cells with spectral data for particular metal-ligand complexes corresponding to different candidate photoacceptors, the enzymes, participating in the biological response, can be identified.
As no action spectra for clinical effects have yet been produced, action spectra for cellular effects are currently used to recommend optimal light wavelengths for clinical applications.
Experiments on different cell cultures (microbe and mammalian) have revealed the ranges of wavelengths (360-440 nm, 630-680 nm, 740-760 nm, 810-840 nm) where known photoinduced phenomena are observed [2,3].
Ideally, in clinical applications photons of a particular wavelength excite photoacceptor molecules providing the desired biological response.
The light should generally be capable of reaching not only superficial tissue but also deeper layers.
In order to arrive at a particular treatment protocol, in addition to the action spectra of various photobiological effects and absorption spectra of photoacceptor molecules responsible for these photobiological effects, the following data can also be taken into account:
(1) absorption spectra of the surrounding tissue light adsorbing molecules, and
(2) wavelength penetration depth data.
The light absorbed by biological tissue depends on the wavelength of the light and the properties of the irradiated tissue.
Factors such as reflectivity, absorption coefficient, and scattering coefficient determine the dose versus depth distribution of the incident light. In biological tissue, hemoglobin is a strong absorber of light in the visible region of the spectrum while water has several strong absorption bands in the IR region.
Thus the absorption bands of these two molecules should be considered in selecting a wavelength that will pass substantially unattenuated through tissue to deliver the desired radiation to the area to be treated.
The dose will also vary as a function of depth due to absorption.
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In general, each condition being treated by phototherapy may utilize unique settings of treatment parameters such as wavelength, monochromaticity, bandwidth, pulse frequency, pulse duration, power intensity, dose, and three-dimensional light distribution in the tissue.
An extensive summary of suggested protocols developed for treatment of a wide range of disorders is provided in the patent of Salansky and Filonenko [7].
For different applications, different wavelengths might be optimal. Regarding the DNA and RNA synthesis in cell-level experiments, Tiina Karu [2,3] suggested that laser emission at 820-830 nm, 760 nm and 680 nm would be sufficient for low power light therapy.
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According to the patent by Salansky and Filonenko [7] clinical studies reveal that wavelengths in the range from 400 to 10,000 nm may be used for PT, preferably from 500 to 2,000 nm.
There appears to be some optimal wavelength range to induce a particular photoeffect for certain healing phenomenon.
For example, according to [7], light having a wavelength from 600 to 700 nm, preferably from 630-680 nm, may be used for wound and ulcer healing.
For chronic soft tissue pathology, monochromatic light in the near infrared wavelength range (800-1,100) is more suitable [7].
In general, different researchers in the area of phototherapy have used light at the following wavelengths (nm) for phototherapy:
A phototherapeutic dose is determined by a light intensity (power density) and an exposure time.
For stimulating healing of chronic ulcers or wounds, a power density has been reported in the range from 0.2 to 10 mW/cm2.
For ulcers or wounds in the acute inflammatory stage the range was from 10 to 30 mW/cm2 and for infected wounds the range was from 50 to 80 mW/cm2 [7].
Reported doses for photobiomodulation are in the range of from 0.1 to 20 J/cm2 [7].
For stimulating healing of chronic ulcers or wounds doses may preferably be in the range of from 0.05 to 0.2 J/cm2, for ulcers or wounds in the acute inflammatory stage a preferred range is from 2 to 5 J/cm2 and for infected wounds a preferred range is from 3.0 to 7.0 J/cm2.
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It has been also reported that the interaction between living cells and pulsed electromagnetic waves depends on the wavelength as well as pulse frequency and duration.
Pulse repetition rates within the range 1,000-10,000 Hz with different pulse durations (milliseconds to microseconds) can be used to change average power [7].
Low range frequencies of 0 to 200 Hz may stimulate the release of key neurotransmitters and/or neurohormones [7].
It has been theorized that these frequencies may correspond to some basic electromagnetic oscillation frequencies in the peripheral and central nervous system.
Once released these neurotransmitters and/or neurohormones can modulate inflammation, pain or other body responses.
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Optical protocols have been developed based on the parameters described above.
Protocols for a wide variety of disorders have been developed for laser diodes, superluminescent diodes, and LED single probes or clusters, for example by Salansky [7].
They have been used in the `Pain & Injury Rehabilitation Centers`, Toronto, Canada.
For example, the specificity of protocols for musculoskeletal conditions depends on (i) the stage of inflammatory process (acute, subacute inflammation, chronic inflammation with or without flare-up of preexisting pathological condition); (ii) localization of soft tissue affected areas, muscle spasm, tender and trigger points.
For skin conditions, choice of a protocol can depend on the stage of inflammation (acute or chronic inflammation, presence or absence of bacteria contamination).
Protocols developed by Salansky for laser diodes usually take about two to six minutes; it rarely exceeds ten minutes.
Whelan [1] used LED therapy at 680, 730, and 880 nm wavelengths simultaneously for about 30 minutes per treatment in human trials.
In general, the duration of treatment depends on the power of a light source, with longer times being used with sources of lower power density.
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The areas of phototherapy and photodynamic therapy are undergoing rapid development.
Yet, a detailed understanding of the mechanism that produces the beneficial effect has not been achieved in many treatments.
There are several sources of radiation currently used for phototherapy and aesthetic applications.
The He--Ne laser (λ=632.8 nm) was the first laser to be used in clinical and research applications from the sixties to mid-eighties, when semiconductor lasers and light emitting diodes became available [3].
"Cold" lasers produce a lower average power of 100 milliwatts or less.
Lasers are widely used in phototherapy because they produce narrow-band monochromatic, coherent, polarized light with a wide range of powers and intensities.
High-power is used in surgery and mid-power is used in dermatology to treat, for example, telangiectasia, port-wine stains.
Lasers must be used cautiously to avoid or achieve limited heating of tissues except when higher powers are desired for use in surgery, dermatology, etc.
Coherence and polarization are the two main features that distinguish light from lasers from other sources of monochromatic light.
But, laser beams quickly lose coherence and polarization due to scattering upon entering tissue.
So, many of the reputed advantages due to these properties of laser beams may be lost.
A common laser beam source in current PT applications is the semiconductor laser diodes (LD), where light emission arises from recombination of electron and holes injected into a lasing cavity.
Recently, vertical cavity surface emitting lasers had been also suggested for use in PT devices [27].
Although phototherapy began with the use of low level lasers, several other light sources have been used since that time, that are briefly outlined below.
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Light emitting diodes are semiconductor devices in which a point source of light is produced when current carriers combine at a pn junction.
The emission is spontaneous and the output power is typically lower than that from diode lasers, reflecting the use of lower operating currents.
Generally LEDs are less expensive than diode lasers and can operate at shorter wavelength without the rapid degradation that occurs with visible-wavelength laser diodes.
Light from an LED is an incoherent (spontaneous) emission, as distinct from the coherent (stimulated) emission produced by lasers.
LEDs have undergone a major growth spurt in recent years.
The first LED units available for purchase for use in PT in the equine industry [3] used 8mW peak power per diode.
At this writing, devices are commercially available which use a cluster of LEDs with 150 mW peak power per diode.
Another PT light source, superluminous diodes are a compromise between a laser and a LED, which is operated at high drive currents characteristic of diode lasers, but lack the cavity feedback mechanisms that produce stimulated emission.
It is used when high-power output is desired, but coherent emission is not needed.
Both LEDs and LDs are three-dimensional semiconductor structures that produce point sources of light.
The conventional light sources used in photobiological studies as well as in phototherapy are incandescent lamps, fluorescent lamps, and electric arcs.
It is generally necessary to monochromatize their continuous spectrum.
This is accomplished with either a monochromator (with bandwidth 5-10 nm) or filters.
Conventional light sources are usually used in laboratory work for recording of action and absorption spectra or obtaining a wavelength which is not emitted by available lasers or LEDs [3].
Conventional PT devices (based on LD and LEDs) are generally configured into a hand-held probe with a single or a few point sources of light or a large stationary probe having an array of lasers for clinical use.
Since LDs and LED sources of radiation are small three-dimensional semiconductor devices that act as point sources of light, they cannot provide uniform doses of radiation over the treated surface of the body.
To solve this problem, light diffusers are used.
When several specific wavelengths are required, several types of laser diodes or LEDs with different emission wavelengths are used within an array, making it yet more difficult to achieve uniform irradiation of a particular wave length.
LD or LEDs array mounted on a substrate possess its own circuitry with wiring required to each individual LED or LD.
LED arrays also generally require a cooling mechanism.
If you take the same type of low powered laser and combine newly developed light sensitive drugs, the effect changes.
This creates a photochemical reaction able to eliminate tumors, diseased tissue and bacterial infections.
This treatment is called PDT (photodynamic therapy).
PDT came to fruition with the first FDA approvals in the late 1990s, much of it guided by Thomas Dougherty MD of Roswell Park Cancer Center in New York.
PDT is performed by injecting or applying topically a drug that makes the tissue light sensitive, then shining monochromatic light on the affected tissue.
This technology can be effective at eliminating cancers, systemic and epidermal.
It is also a powerful antibacterial agent, eliminating topical infection and periodontal bacteria, and has the amazing ability to melt away artery plaque with a light catheter.
All over the globe PDT is successfully treating skin, lung, breast, vaginal and throat cancers, brain tumors, macular degeneration, gum disease and pre cancerous cell conditions.
Light activated drugs in combination with specific waves of photons create a photochemical reaction that destroys problematic tissue.
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This is the principle behind using homeopathics with light. It's not exactly the same thing but it's similar in theory.
I thought it was interesting....
Also read about Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation in the same article link above. Interesting stuff!
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Where are they using the BIONIC 880 in the UK please?
If there is one here, I still would think of seeing Dr W. I have heard with ART testing, it is the operator that is important. If I did not have such a mercury problem I would probably trust someone else.
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Contact them to find out about a practicioner... maybe they can tell you who does it there.
If you find out - let us know. I don't think they want you post names on the message board, though.
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I am more and more hopeful about using far infrared!!!
PLEASE, I beg you...
Read my post on DNP bad idea.
PLEASE.
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I looked into ultraviolet blood irradiation - it's not legal in my State.
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Many thanks sparkle, have e-mailed them.
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Marnie
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We are NOT using UVB...
It is UVA.
Different wavelength entirely.
HUGE difference.
UVA IS approved. It is considered physical therapy method...not medical therapy method.
To heal faster.
PLEASE read my DNP was not a good idea post. Try to catch on. Print it out. Study it.
Over and over until you "catch on".
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What does DNP have to do with infra red or UV light?
What is DNP, anyway?
The article posted there has to do with low dose estrogen & breast cancer.
I'm sorry - I just don't follow you. I'm not a chemist.
Can you post your comments in regular language so people who don't have a chemistry background can understand what you are explaining?
It would really help us. Many of us have brain fog & can't even understand regular language to begin with.
Trying to understand chemistry jargon is like trying to read ancient Martian or something.
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It a little out of my league, but I'd love to read it.
By Max Rempel (Rochester NY USA) This is best so far book on biophotons and biophotonics. All authors are scientists and write their views on the subject from strictly scientific, experimental point of view.
There are theoretical works in the book but the style and way of thinking is scientific. The subject of the book are biophotons, i.e.
photons irradiated by cells. The authors come very close to biological energy and biological fields, but don't cross the line.
The team of authors is international. It is centered around the International Institute of Biophysics in Germany.
Unfortunately, American science is behind the rest of the world in this field. Part of that is due commercial dominance of pharmaceutical
industry, part of that if due to fear of unscientific way of thinking. Thus, the science of biophotonics that comes close to scientific explanation of biological fields is almost non-
existent in States. This book therefore would be recommended to scientists interested in learning current level of thinking and research in the field.
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Do you have any idea why the book is so expensive?
I feel like we are going through the same thing all over again... ie: Why is the Bionic 880 so expensive?
I understand that he did alot of work to get these ideas but doesn't he want the public to learn about this? Or is the knowledge just for the elite?
Almost every light related gizmo out there uses Popp's name in the research to promote it...
Maybe you can try the library? or a university library?
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Its expensive because its a medical textbook published by Springer. Institutions buy them.
As for Marnie--no offense intended--but Marnie has been "curing" lyme for about seven or eight years now, her research is always completely incomprehensible to me, some kind of smattering of this and that biology whose dots never connect into anything translatable in a sensible way into treatment. She means well.
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I thought institutions are where they lock people up? (wink)
Oh, so the money expenditures just get passed down to the students, patients, & taxpayers... I get it.
I see this everyday... we sell used college textbooks for a living. $90 Chemistry books, $75 Sociology books, etc. The students have no choice. It's like shooting fish in a barrel for the publishers.
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Its meant for Dr.s and researchers mostly, not to be a best seller in paperback. If the audience is small there selling to, the price is high. And yes it is a medical book.
The good news is theres a book on it and it is meant for the medical community to educate them.
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Well, think about it, one institution, and innumerable teachers and students can borrow it. Academic publishers, for some books, don't sell enough. I mean, you might sell a couple thousand copies. In addition, the same is true of journals. The institutions have consortiums, and share the exorbitant cost of journals--which these days mostly have e-pub ahead of print. But think of the innumerable amounts of students, now and in the future, who have permanent access to those journal articles. Its the privilege of the institution. Academic publishing has a completely different model than trade publishing. You don't get Marley & Me (that book about a dog that has sold 4 million copies). You have to do "revisions" and "new editions" in order to "backlist" certain books, ie keep them updated. Its just a different model and I think its a fair one. Most likely you could ask your public library to consider buying it if you're in a large city.
Occasionally I ask for review copies of medical texts, so I just tried with this one. Sometimes they send them but sometimes they turn me down as review copies can be scarce, esp for older books.
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Oxygenbabe, I think Marnie is onto this one. A little probing and I think Marnie is spot on. She has been looking for how cells can be so depressed and how to undepress them. In 7 to 8 years nothing has come along like infrared specifically at 880nm as the means to reactivate depressed cells and re-energizing them.
So saunas aren't concentrated at the right light frequency to do it or come close. The LEDs are!
There is much to read in Sparkle's links about photodynamic therapy:
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Infrared 880's have been around for ages. My Chee Energy device utilizes them. "V" (ledman.net is the URL I think) makes devices for pain/healing with them for reasonable prices. They are not going to cure lyme imo. That's wishful thinking. Perhaps using a potent pulsing device with the right frequencies *and* nosodes, will do something. Its the overall combination that works, if it does even work. I'm actually skeptical right now, but willing to wait and watch and hope that even as adjunctive therapy it would be useful.
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As I understand it, 2,000 patients have done very well with this treatment. That speaks volumes to me - and offers a glimpse of hope to others with no access a LLMD &/or who can't afford - or tolerate - years of multiple meds and supplements, anyway. [edited to add: well, yeah, I forgot about the cost of this - I'm still giddy from the chance of anything working.]
The hope of this has put a little spring in my step. Many have gotten WAY better. They can ENJOY fairly normal, and even normal, lives again.
That makes MY day !
(I am fairly certain of the count though, usually, I do like to back up such stuff with a quote from a source. I'm housesitting now so don't have access to my file notes saved on my own computer. I don't have the energy to search.)
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re: Well, think about it, one institution, and innumerable teachers and students can borrow it.
I don't know $170 seems alot for a book like this. I'm not affiliated with an institution.
I sell used textbooks & I think the publishers make huge money selling overpriced, new editions to students every year.
I guess it's OK since we end up making a living re-selling them. The publishers don't like it, though. That's why they come out with all these CDs, one time use passcodes, etc. along with the books.
I went to college back in the 80's - I thought it was a big thing to be $5,000 in debt after 4 years of college.
Kids get out of school being $70,000 - $100,000 in debt now. I think education is overpriced here in the USA. I don't see how this helps us as a society.
My friend went to a local school here & they made him take gym classes like yoga, etc. to get his degree. He was studying humanities. What's that all about?
They make all the students sponsor the football team & they build million dollar stadiums... They also get taxpayer dollars to sponsor this stuff.
Someone is getting paid. It's a corrupt system. They cut back on tenured professors, get adjuncts to teach & they don't give them benefits.
The gov't gives universities money to research black budget projects... it seems a little skewed but what do I know. I studied fine art.
Sorry to get off the track of the thread here.
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Keebler: 2000 un-named undocumented patients in another country, we cannot track down, and we do not know the source of their lyme diagnosis ("western blot"? "bullseye rash"? or "muscle testing"?)
We have to be skeptical as most likely the reports are not valid.
But we have to be open in case they are, or even some of them are.
Sparkle: I hear you. Well, glad you're making a living off it. Just curious but how do you do that--you actually buy them up from students and then re-sell them online or something? And ship them out?
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