Topic: Bb uses MANGANESE and SODIUM bartonella uses CALCIUM
Marnie
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In 2005 Dr. - said:
``Bb and Bartonella need magnesium to duplicate and deplete the host's body rapidly.''
NO NO NO!!!
Bb uses Na in the final CO2 fixation process. It needs Na IN the cell and Ca OUT...which bartonella uses. A perfect "marriage".
"***All*** of the metalloproteins in Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative agent of Lyme disease, use manganese and iron is not required." (Posey and Gherardini, 2000).
"No one could say this about iron: Lactobacillus plantarum, a lactic acid bacterium, and Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacterial pathogen that causes Lyme disease, apparently have no need for iron at all.
Instead, they require manganese, which to my thinking implies that manganese can do everything that those bacteria would otherwise need iron to do.
And to reduce ATP-> ADP it uses Na-ATPase. (End of CO2 fixation).
And Bartonella uses CALCIUM.
"These results implicate ***intracellular Ca2+*** pools in B. henselae-induced angiogenesis and may lead to increased understanding of the mechanisms of pathogen-induced angiogenesis."
PMID: 17678436 DNA Cell Biol. 2007 Sep;26(9):657-63.
Light and ultrastructural morphology, and monoclonal staining implicated B. henselae.
Bacterial membranes contain calcium apatite crystals. Antigenic material was present in bacteria and calcified nodules.
This case illustrates calcified protobacteria becoming incorporated into scar tissue during endocarditis.
Neat website above for a lot more fascinating information. Our astronauts are ILL when they return to earth. We are trying to find ways to correct this.
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AliG
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Does this explain my ridiculous salt cravings and why I get the muscle pain/fatigue that is relieved by Cal-Mag supplements?
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randibear
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my doctor has me on calcium supplements and a prescription calcium.
sooo, should i take calcium or not.
i have lyme and bart.
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Hoosiers51
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Sorry, I have horrible brain fog and am not a good reader....
Should I take Manganese, Calcium, and Salt? Or no?
Thanks to anyone that answers this for me (sorry Marnie, it's not you.......appreciate what you've done)
Also, AliG, this I believe is about Manganese, not Magnesium, so just keep in mind (as you may know), Cal Mag is Magnesium.
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Hoosiers51
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bump for answers to my question? ^
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tailz
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I got deathly ill when I'd tried coral calcium - like I thought my head was going to explode ill.
I also have a grey metallic film on my teeth. Maybe it is manganese and not iron? It seems a lot of high iron foods are also high in manganese.
Hmmm? Look here - manganese is silverish-greyish, just like my teeth...
AliG
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Yes, Hoosier, I was thinking that perhaps it was the calcium & not the magnesium that was actually helping me. ????
I was only taking it when I had the horrible leg cramps.
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