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We were just discussing today (at the guesthouse in Germany) about how to duplicate the IV's we are getting to help with the herx. I think detox after treatment will need to be addressed. It's hard .... yes, we're getting better, but the first week is tough.
I do plan on using it on my family, but since I will have nosodes and not the borrelia vials, the herx should be less .... but I still want a detox protocol.
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Don't ever underestimate detoxing. A herx can kill, not figure of speech, but reality.
This is just one site of cardiovascular death after herxing from syphillis. Do a search. I've read on and on about it. There are other links in lymenet about herx dangers, real dangers that may lead to death.
Anyone can do the Bionic, it seems, but detoxing is crucial. Some of you may be stronger at detoxing, but most aren't.
I'm convinced that the most difficult is finding a good detox protocol to avoid damage (or death!). Anyone who has done chelation knows what free heavy metals do to the body. It can be horrible. There will be loads being released + loads of neurotoxins from die off.
This is no play of kids, don't think you are strong enough to stand ANY herxes. Get naturopaths or whoever knows how to detox WELL and what to do in case of emergency, and who can test energetically for cleansers.
Detoxing is one of the most difficult things to master, because toxins are so different and need different 'binders'.
Homeopathy without the Bionic already can cause strong herxes. With the light, I believe on an even stronger reaction.
Deseret Biologicals in the US have the nosodes for sooo many coinfections and still for other parasites, infections, the list is enormous.
Contact Bejoy from lymenet, she can probably get the nosodes with her practioner or so. Once the source is there at Deseret, they can do whatever dilutions they want. It's easy. It's a matter only of willing to cooperate or not.
I guess there's a general rule, 'no sharing of nosodes' (or am I mistaken?). I wouldn't share my nosodes with anyone out of my family. The light flashed through nosodes may carry info to and from the treated people and imprint in the nosodes, at least, that's how it happens with LED devices.
So, no sharing of nosodes, I suppose (maybe I'm wrong and things are different with the Bionic?).
The homeopathic nosodes dr. W. uses are of lower dilutions, meaning, there is more concentration of the original substance (borrelia). I guess this will kick the butt of most of us, without the live borrelia vials.
Dr. W. though wants a treatment that works fast and is there to help on strong herxes. I wonder what is the exact function of the live vials. If these are what triggers the main healing reaction in his patients, then they are a must. But if they are just supportive for the treatment, then it is fine to do without them (my guess).
January is fully booked by dr. W.(Feb I can't go), so I will only go end of March-beg April.
I'll certainly energetically test these live vials while there, to see what they do to me (in case I need them), if he allows me to test on myself.
According to dr. K., borrelia doesn't live in the blood or doesn't like the blood to live. If one treats with own's blood, too many other things will be addressed, I suppose.
If people are having trouble to deal ONLY with borrelia, I wouldn't take the risk. There are certainly borrelia antibodies there, but too many other stuff that will be treated at once.
Also for the crushed tick, no good idea. Too many stuff inside a tick.
I took crushed tick dilutions, but only through normal homeopathic dilutions orally, without light. I wouldn't do it with light, for fear of herxes and because God knows what is inside the tick that we are forcing inside us through light!
Deseret Biologicals have the original source (so that they make dilutions from it), so why not trying to contact them off line (might be something forbidden in the US)? But as I said, I wouldn't worry much initially because I think lower diluted homeopathics do work well too as a start (my guess).
Of course, the best would be the protocol as it is done by dr. W, because it is less trial and error.
I'm sure there can be a wonderful combination between Deseret products and the Bionic for lyme.
Gigi could chime in, as she's treating her husband on her own protocols for detoxing heavy metals and other toxins, I suppose. (?)
does anyone know of other company than Deseret in the US that could produce these nosodes?
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I believe it is imperative you take about 400mg of Mg about 1 our before these treatments.
This will allow time to raise your blood level of Mg (which ultimately will be lowered in a couple of hours by the kidneys which maintain the balance).
IF (and I belive so) this treatment increases ATP, ATP will drive Mg back into the cells where it binds with ATP as Mg-ATP which helps to transfer phosphate groups.
By virtue of Bb's PKCD inhbitor, some phosphate is not being transferred.
There are other cheaper machines available OTC here in the U.S.
I don't know if they are as effective. Nor do I know if nosodes are really necessary.
It is unlikely that the current gov. trials recruiting for patients to use the 880nM wavelength to heal are also using nododes since the underlying causes of this infections is not Bb.
Once again, here is the link to the gov. testing - see the list of the various diseases (included is HIV):
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I don't know if I'm confused or what. Aren't Desert Biologicals products homeopathic nosodes that are taken orally?
I thought the nosodes we were discussing were the little vials or "ampulens" that we have taped to our solar plexus during treatment with the bionic880 in Germany.
Brussels - I was interested in the oral nosode you spoke about for using as a preventative but of course, can't get it shipped here.
All the other nosodes that at least I have been referring to are sealed glass vials.
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Hey Nana Dubo, I've seen the nosodes you are talking with a naturopath.
You can put homeopathic dilutions wherever you want, in a glass vial, through xylit globules/ pellets(tasting like sugar), in an IV injection, on some cream to rub on, in a suppository, whatever you'd like.
Maybe the vials you are talking cannot be broken easily, but I would bet they can be ingested (if they are only D dilutions of borrelia).
Once you tap them to your body, it's like ingesting. You can either rub them or ingest, or even flash them with a laser without having direct contact with tongue nor skin, the effect is more or less the same as ingestion (dr. K. swears that flashing LED trhough homeopathic vials is the best way to take it, better than ingesting).
Deseret shall have the Urtinktur (in German), the 'original tincture', meaning, a non-diluted source from where all other homeopathic dilutions are done. At least, that is what I suppose.
If they don't have it, they know where to get it otherwise, they can't make their dilutions to sell.
You yourself could do the lowest dilutions, if you get a D3 nosode, break it and dilute for yourself to do a D4, D5 and so on. You got to succuss it right though.
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There is a diffeence between nosodes and remedies. And people should learn a bit about that before they venture into mass application of nosodes or other applications.
Learn before you leap. I am learning every day.
Energetic testing is the most important part and if you do that, you need to know how to unblock your regulation, if your AN system is blocked, because of disease or overload. Blocked regulation has to be taken account in any energetic testing, such as ART, tensor, etc. If your meridians are blocked, your body cannot give the "true" response.
And stay away from tough treatments until you know what you are doing. As Brussels says, this is not child's play.
Learn to tensor with a good tensor before you treat yourself or others. Otherwise it's like walking through electric cobwebs.
Take care.
Re nosodes used in the treatment by Dr. W.: The nosodes are NOT to be taken by mouth. They are basically manufactured for testing only. It is clearly stated on the container box. And if they are on the body, the Bionic880 should be applied right away and exactly as the protocol calls for.
Off to some important tasks.
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Why doesn't Doctor K in Washington start doing this stuff? He obviously has an affiliation with and recommended Dr. W to Gigi and others.
Gigi, you are closely connected to Doctor K. Why don't you suggest this to him? It would be a WHOLE lot easier than leaving the country for lots of us. Not that travelling to Washington is easy, either, but it beats being teased with an treatment that could work yet is unattainable to some.
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"Why doesn't Doctor K in Washington start doing this stuff? He obviously has an affiliation with and recommended Dr. W to Gigi and others."
This has been suggested many many times on these boards. Gigi says that she is in contact with Dr. K apparently this will be something that will take a long time. Personally I am a little surprised that after all this time the two doctors have not even spoken. I hope they can. JL
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I have been told that Dr K HAS gone to Germany and spent time with Dr.W, and that he is not quite sure of the treatment yet. He is waiting to see if it really works for people over time before he is willing to consider doing it.
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quote:Originally posted by Tracy9: I have been told that Dr K HAS gone to Germany and spent time with Dr.W, and that he is not quite sure of the treatment yet. He is waiting to see if it really works for people over time before he is willing to consider doing it.
My understanding is they have NOT met.
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"Re nosodes used in the treatment by Dr. W.: The nosodes are NOT to be taken by mouth. They are basically manufactured for testing only. It is clearly stated on the container box. And if they are on the body, the Bionic880 should be applied right away and exactly as the protocol calls for. "
Thanks for clearing that up Gigi. I couldn't imagine anyone would be ingesting the vials we use with Dr. W for treatment and I thought maybe I was reading some of the posts incorrectly.
So there are homeopathic remedies and there are nosodes for treatment with the Bionic880. They definitely are not one in the same.
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Nana and Gigi,
the Propolis tincture I keep buying at dr. K.'s institute is only for COSMETIC use. That's what is writen on the bottles. Dr. K. of course, doesn't say it is for cosmetic use, nor none of his followers. It is for ingestion.
There is a problem with law here, some products can be ONLY sold by pharmacies, other by shops and so on. There's strict control about who may sell propolis and herbals or homeopathics here.
You know, on the facade they say 'for protetion of the consumer', on the reality, it is purely market control.
I buy propolis without any state control either through ebay Germany or behind the curtain, in German street markets here.
Honey producers will only sell propolis on backstage in Germany (I have to go behind the scene to get mine), but one can find propolis anywhere else in Switzerland or Belgium (in any food shop).
I find the law control on propolis in Germany ridiculous.
There is clearly some problem in Germany, with the pharma industry and law.
I could NEVER find any borrelia nosodes for ingestion in German pharmacies, but I can find them ALL OVER in Belgium and Switzerland OVER THE COUNTER, from all potencies you can imagine.
Pharmacies are NOT allowed to sell borrelia nosodes for ingestion in Germany, so no way they will be allowed to write 'for ingestion'.
I don't suggest you just open the glass vials and ingest the stuff, but if you read the contents of it and it says 'homeopathic borrelia dilutions D6' or similar, there's no reason why they can't be ingested. There is no difference with any other borrelia homeopathic dilutions we take in Belgium or Switzerland.
Of course, one has to be careful about the amount of ingestion, because of die off reactions.
If you are afraid, don't do it.
I suppose the vials work much better through the Bionic and LED than ingested, so why drinking it anyway?
Gigi, just tell me one reason these liquids wouldn't be ingestable? Maybe there's a foreign substance there besides water or alcohol?
My homeopath is categoric in saying there's nothing like expiring date for homeopathy stored in 'sugar' (xylit). Hahneman products were still consumed recently for a research and they are STILL active today!!!
But the law obliges manufacturers to write an expiry date for all homeopathic products. Are they trying to protect consumers or protect the industry?
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This topic has blown my mind quite a bit. I hope soon enough we will have these machines in the states, or I will be getting on that plane soon enough....I lurk here more than I post, but thank you all for enlightening me....pray for a cure for us all.......Rich
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let me get this straight, as of now, one can only get the bionic 880 machine if they travel to germany and bring it back themselves (or have someone traveling personally with it in tow?)
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Pretty much Mo. It cannot be shipped into the US. It can however be shipped to Canada.
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"This is no play of kids, don't think you are strong enough to stand ANY herxes. Get naturopaths or whoever knows how to detox WELL and what to do in case of emergency, and who can test energetically for cleansers."
I am concerned as well. Indeed this is my main issue about going to Germany for Bionic Treatment. I'm afraid the herx will be too strong. I'm especially worried because my heart sometimes has irregular beats when I use something strong like the metal chelator DMSA. I wonder if anyone who has this treatment has had such problems? thanks, JL
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Mo, if you missed my earlier ordeal: We purchased the Bionic880 and it was shipped to us. It got hung up in some depot in Ohio where DHL has a transfer station, I guess. It was sitting there and sitting there and no one at DHL could explain to us why. I finally got tired and had it officially returned to Germany, back to the manufacturer. We had our appointment with Dr. W. and I wanted the machine there while we were visiting overthere.
The manufacturer delivered a replacement machine to my brother's place where we were going to stay for a couple of days before seeing Dr. W.
Nobody in the world was ever able to explain to me what was holding the original machine up in Ohio.
So nobody really knows that a machine, if properly labeled for pain treatment, etc. to a private party would not be allowed into the country. Of course customs has to be paid, possibly.
When we returned from our visit back in the US, we brought the instrument with us. Self-use for pain control. We did not have to pay any duty.
Maybe if someone has one shipped for that purpose, it may go through. I do not know. It has to be sold to someone outside the European Union; not a relative or friend in Germany, etc. Otherwise the 20% VAT tax is added - that is the law. Also I think the price is somewhat lower for people who visit Dr. W.
If I needed another instrument, I would probably try it to see what happens. But we don't.
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While doing all the diverse treatments I am doing on the machine today, all I can say is -- soooo glad we have it. I.e. treating allergies or allergic reactions to a life supporting substance is a lot easier than doing it any other way.
It took me a while to figure this out - my husband reacts to NO (Nitric Oxide) with an allergy. That explains why he gets blue fingertips every once in a while and of course this is detrimental to the whole body. I don't know if that is a collateral to Lyme or to any other toxicities, but I am certainly glad I discovered it.
I finally figured that out with my tensor and the ART testing I was taught by A.R. and Dr. K. What alerted me alos was that whenever he exercised he also got a swollen lower lip and swollen cheek. It always disappeared, but kept becoming more obvious and lasting longer. I pinned it down to NO by testing his own blood and testing a Viagra pill knowing that it contains NO. He tested allergic to the pill and to his own blood.
Now I am treating it with a homeopathic and the Bionic. I learned from other Bionic therapists that they do treat allergies of all sorts with the Bionic --- I am learning more and more. It is so simple and it beats any other allergy treatment I have done before - such as NAET and others that are a pain in the neck and take forever with all sorts of precautions and often don't last. Energetic testing to do this - is a must to determine frequencies, length of treatment, intensities, etc., with vial or without.... Tensor tells all.
I am coming more and more to the conclusion - it is never only Lyme and Co. You have to look for more, especially after a lengthy process of trying to get rid of Lyme. A number of things can go wrong in the interim. There is a viral component as well as chemical toxicities that start to surface now - none are conducive to feeling 100% well after the Lyme infection is taken care of with the Bionic. At least that is what I find in my husband. I am certain age has something to do with it - but thankfully, my husband is in better shape in all other aspects than many 30 years younger.
Any treatment with the Bionic seems to be much quicker. I think my husband has not too many metals left, and the fungi and mold is also reducing.
So we will keep plugging away at it, learning more as we go along. I am thankful that there are people around the world who are willing to share their experiences with the Bionic from whom I can learn. It is quite an experience -- that's all I can say -- to pick up the phone and tell my story of woe and getting support from people whom I have never met. They are all busy in their practice, but still have some time for others.
Take care.
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Gigi said:
"So nobody really knows that a machine, if properly labeled for pain treatment, etc. to a private party would not be allowed into the country. Of course customs has to be paid, possibly."
When I spoke with the company yesterday that manufactures the Bionic 880, the gentleman told me that it CANNOT be shipped to the US because it is not FDA approved.
It sounds like since the time GiGi got one shipped here, they are no longer doing that.
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I do not recommend getting a machine and doing this without knowing what you are doing. The effect is very strong and it will put many people in bed for a day or more. Here, they use detox IVs that are very powerful to help with the strong effect. This cannot be easily replicated in the US and so I would be very careful about being one of the first to attempt this. You may also not know how to use the device properly and I don't think this is something that one should play around with without knowing exactly what you are doing and being under the care of a doctor that supports doing it.
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Hey Scott, I tried to post an answer in your blog, but forgot my password! It happens all the time.
It's snowing here too (Konstanz area).
I just realized the INK, the Institute of dr. K. selling loads of things, including DVDs is in Stuttgart, close to Pforzheim.
They sell green lasers and lots of testing vials. I wonder if they have a biotensor there.
Good luck in today's photon treatment! I hope you're getting used to live without your teddy bear every day!
I also suppose dr. K. is in Germany now. For thosse staying until Nov 13, Thursday, he'll be giving a lecture on lyme in Freiburg (not too far from Pforzeheim either).
Mercure Hotel, Auf der Zinnen 1, 79098 Freiburg 19.30hs, 13 Nov, 8 euro for entrance In German. I'll be there.
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