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Hi Maureen, I have been using their product for about 3 weeks approx 3 times a day. There is a new mid size device, about $1000.00, not yet posted on their website. The individual LED output is the same but the pad is larger than the 90. I spoke with Ron at Lumen and he said the power supply is better than the 90. I have a late stage neuromuscular presentation and have not noticed any improvement or side affects yet. Been on high dose antibiotics for 3.5 yrs, but quit them about 4 weeks ago. I'll keep you posted with any changes. Take care, Brian.
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In my experience, more doesn't necessarily mean better...
If you do try it - go slow, do your research, & have supplements available to absorb the toxins. Some people have mentioned liver, kidney & lymph drainage supplements you can use, too.
Also, I heard it can be very bad if you are on abx & use the infrared light. From what I can see, the 2 don't mix well.
I believe you have a LightWorks. Have you been using that? Have you gotten any results with it?
Everyone is different. Some people may do well with stronger light for shorter durations while others may do well with less light more frequently. Or just less light in general... It's quite strong.
We really don't know too much about it. You just have to experiment...
I'd like to hear about it if someone has used the Lumen Photon, too!
Also- from what I have seen - people who don't have Lyme are much less sensitive to the infrared light. People with Lyme have very strong reactions to the infrared light!
If you use a device that is very strong - be very careful. It may effect you more severely than someone who is Lyme-free.
The Lumen Photon is actually stronger than the Bionic 880...
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Hey Brian... keep us posted!
How long do you use the light for & where do you place it?
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They have a couple of different models. The 90 is $850 & the 264 is $1500.
I never tried it, though.
It would be great to do a comparison of all these kinds of products but I don't have the time right now.
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Update from Brian?
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There are technology differences between the LEDs used by each company.
Lightworks uses the old LEDs Lumen uses SLEDs Bionic is using a proprietary LED (I'm pretty sure)
So the specifications have to do with the LED technology. It would be a good assignment for someone to take the specifications to Ron at Lumena to comment on the differences. I believe the power output of the Lumena is 100cm2 the bionic 80cm2 and the lightworks about 20cm2.
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Bob - Is there any way you could post some info as to why the differences in the LEDs would matter in regards to how the body uses the light?
I've seen some very technical info but it didn't make alot of sense to me - especially in regards to how the body may absorb the light.
I can see a difference between a halogen bulb & a fluorescent bulb... but does it really matter to our biology how the photons are used & whether they came from SLEDs or other types of LEDs?
I can still read the newspaper whether I use a halogen bulb or a fluorescent bulb...
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I have been wondering about the lumen 90 and the lumen 264. I haven't heard anyone mention the lumen 264 yet.
I have the lightworks, but haven't really used it yet because I am rifing for now. I am waiting for my biotensor before doing too much more. I am taking oregano oil and going to try lauriciden as soon as I figure out how I should take it.
I just read an article about a month ago from a doctor who strongly believes in light therapy. I can't find the article now, but she mentioned a couple of other devices as well as being her favorite light devices.
She was suffering from awful fatigue and stress during med school and used light therapy to get her out of it.
I do remember a website mentioned in the article ngtlasers.com, but it isn't working.
Anyway, I definitely would like to know more about this light therapy and if stronger is actually better in the case between the lightworks and the lumen 90.
If that is the case, the lumen 264 would kick some serious butt- has the same nogier frequencies, but the output is a lot stronger and also it is a lot bigger. It is $1500 though, compared to $850 for the lumen 90, or $1,000 for the mid-sized lumen device.
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This is what I read regarding the difference between the lumen 90 and lumen 264: I guess it is the same, but much bigger with more infrared/red lights- therefore, more total output?
Specifications for the Lumen 90 unit: 50 Infrared LEDs @880nm wavelength Approximately 100 mw output each diode 40 Visible Red LEDs @650nm wavelength Approximately 50mw output each diode Approximately 5200 mw output
Specifications for the Lumen 264 unit: 144 Infrared LEDs @880nm wavelength Approximately 100 mw output each diode 120 Visible Red LEDs @650nm wavelength Approximately 50mw output each diode Approximately 15000 mw output
Probably not worth the extra $650 or would it save a lot of time during the treatments?
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I'm very interested in following this thread as people discover the differences and benefits of these devices.
I'm still having great results from Lightworks with selected nosodes. I'd love to hear from anyone who orders a lumen.
My impression is that any device can be used to a person's benefit or detriment depending on how it is used and in which combinations. We have so much to learn.
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Bejoy, I guess you are the only one using LW with nosodes here, so can I ask you a thing? How long have you been using nosodes with LW?
and if the critter you treated once had to be treated again AFTER. Like for example Candida albicans, you treat it for a few days or weeks, then stops because it is not a problem anymore for you. Then you go after other things. But HAS THE CANDIDA retested again AFTER?
I am ready to invest about 1,000 dollars on something but it has to work well EITHER for detox heavy metals, pesticides, chemicals OR for difficult pathogens like fungi and candida.
If not, I'd rather be going for visits after visits to someone having the Bionic around my place as I will need that 1,000 dollars to be spent on the visits.
Thanks! Selma
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