Topic: Proof that Spirochetal L-Forms were Weaponised 70 Years Ago
daystar1952
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You are right about the tactics of disinformation and it is so important for people to learn these tactics. Being educated in this area really helps one to spot propaganda, infiltrators, etc
I also think that Hufschmid is a bit strange. Nothing is ever all caused all by one person, group, or entity....and that's what makes it so hard to figure things out. I'm so glad to see you and others on this list being so aware of the possibilities
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You are right about the tactics of disinformation and it is so important for people to learn these tactics. Being educated in this area really helps one to spot propaganda, infiltrators, etc
I also think that Hufschmid is a bit strange. Nothing is ever all caused all by one person, group, or entity....and that's what makes it so hard to figure things out. I'm so glad to see you and others on this list being so aware of the possibilities
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It's on all sides of these issues like Lyme, biowarefare, etc. Some of the info is real, though. It's not all crackpot stuff... It just takes time to study everything carefully to see which is real & which is not.
The nature of disinformation is to mix credible information with complete lies so people don't know which end is up anymore.
I think you have raised a very important point here, Sparkle. This is one of the reasons I said it was so important that we deal only with factual material, not speculation. I know others here have interpreted it as "suppressing" info - I'm not. I'm not a moderator here; I'm not in a position to stop anyone saying anything.
What I am trying to do is encourage everyone to do exactly what Sparkle has said, ie examine things carefully to see what has a factual basis, and what does not, when we discuss the issue of Lyme's connection with biowarfare.
Otherwise, as you have pointed out, we lay ourselves open to getting sucked into unwittingly supporting people who have an agenda to manipulate us, and who use the age-old tactic of mixing credible info with disinfo, in order to create confusion, as you have said.
A perfect example of a victim of that is Kathleen Dickson. Some of you may know of her as a chemist and long-time Lyme activist who did some very valuable work in the past. She uncovered information about some of the fraudulent science involved coming from the Steerites, testified about the danger of the Lymerix vaccine at the FDA hearing etc.. She could have been a major player in a credible movement to expose the Lyme cover-up.
Sadly she became vulnerable because of ill health, problems in her personal life and persecution from McSweegan et al. The result is she came under the influence of the extreme right, and today spends as much time posting antisemitic hate messages on the internet as she does on exposing the Lyme fraud (which she in any case attributes to a global Jewish conspiracy to control the world).
The result is, most people listening to her nowadays think she is mad, and ILADS (which has a number of doctors of Jewish ethnicity) want nothing to do with her. Tragically, the valuable insight she had, as a chemist, and sometimes still has, into the biochemical details that prove Steerite science is fraudulent are now lost, because no one but a few racists are listening to her.
Blaming the Jews also neatly takes the focus off the US and other governments who are responsible for this crime.
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Dr. Shiro Ishii was not evil? Hitler was a bit ``misguided?'' Of course people can be evil. Where this dark force originates, we can all argue until the bug-ridden cows come home!
Yet, the scale of suffering that some EVIL people have brought upon modern civilization is almost indescribable. The crimes against civilians are well documented; many are mentioned in this topic. Lest we forget: these biowarfare programs did have origination points (people!) under the auspices of national defense; experiments continued throughout the decades and continue unto this very day.
Some time ago, I recall reading the book ``People of the Lie.'' M Scott Peck did a nice job at dissecting different manifestations of evil, and in particular, the notion of group evil. He also explains my point: the only way to combat evil is to admit to its existence and to recognize its danger. More now than ever, this is an important topic that should be discussed openly!
But I digress, and Eight Legs Bad makes a good point: sticking to the facts makes more sense than arguing philosophy...
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Sometimes, people like Kathleen Dickson can be both brilliant & really out there. It does make for a loss of credibility...
I believe there is a connection between Lyme & eugenics. I would have to spend some time researching credible references. I don't think I can do it now since we are doing a long distance move in about a week.
I just think it is good to cross-reference everything. Many people have agendas - either to sell products, because they are megalomaniacs, or to whip people up into some kind of frenzy so they can be rooted out.
I think it is best to be aware of the possibilities & that some people in high places & authority figures are not really our friends. This can be true of all sides of the issue.
It takes alot of study & scrutiny.
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I can't see Lyme as being a good candidate for eugenics-minded scientists, when there are so many instant killers out there, such as tularemia, anthrax, plague etc..
One possible exception being if it is proven that a variant of Lyme borrelia, or Lyme borrelia -plus- co-infections and/or co-factors, causes ALS.
What makes more sense to me is Lyme as an incapacitating weapon **par excellence**.
Also, for anyone to carry out a programme of eugenics within the borders of their own country, they would need the political framework for that to be in place. With Hitler you had a regime and a population that was happy with the genocide and forced sterilisation of Jews, Roma, learning-disabled and other groups of people.
In the US in the early part of the 20th century, you had a government and society that was amenable to the forced sterilisation of people with learning difficulties, but you don't have that today. If anything, the current vogue in thinking is that people with learning disabilities have a right to a sex life like anyone else, and even a right to parent if they are able, although there is still much discrimination.
Without the right political framework, you could not easily get the thousands of medical and other personnel that you would need to concur in such a thing as a eugenics programme, or at the very least agree to turn a blind eye to atrocity.
With an incapacitating bioweapon, on the other hand, all that needs to happen is for the relevant medical personnel to be told the magic words "biodefense", and "national security", and hey presto - everyone shuts up.
Or, like the Steerites, publish medical disinformation and false diagnostic guidelines.
Elena
quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: I believe there is a connection between Lyme & eugenics. I would have to spend some time researching credible references. I don't think I can do it now since we are doing a long distance move in about a week. ...It takes alot of study & scrutiny.
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Discreet Methods of Biological Warfare by Marjorie Tietjen
How many of us are burdened with chronic disease or know a friend or family member who is totally or partially disabled?
It is almost as if it has become normal and accepted for a large portion of the population to be ill with conditions or "autoimmune " diseases which have no known definitive tests, causes or cures.
Certainly our diet and the chemicals in our environment play a significant role in determining our state of health. However, we need to begin to question as to whether or not something more deceptive may also be taking place.
The media has become a monstrous propaganda machine. Apparently their main goals are to mislead, distract and manipulate the population through fear.
When we become aware of the tools used by the media to control us, that is the first step in gaining back our freedom and autonomy.
The Centers for Disease Control, the Media, The Dept. of Defense, and other government agencies, would have us believe that the most threatening biological agents are lethal microbes which cause acute disease and then death.
A couple of examples would be anthrax and smallpox. It appears that we are being intentionally misled as to where the real danger lies.
Government biological warfare documents speak of incapacitating agents as being the most effective weapons for disabling a nation.
When a population is infected with a lethal agent, it is very obvious that protective measures need to be taken, such as quarantine, antibiotics, etc.
These actions help to curb and abort the epidemic. A much more discreet, diabolical and effective method of disabling a country, would be to employ a moderately infectious organism, or combination of organisms (Russian Doll Cocktail), which would pass slowly through the population unnoticed.
Some of the criteria for effective disabling agents are:
1. A biological agent which lacks objective signs that can be determined by medical testing.
Many patients who are extremely ill with Lyme disease, mycoplasmas or other emerging co infections, are told all their tests are normal and therefore their problems must be all in their heads.
Many people labeled with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Gulf War Illness, and Fibromyalgia, are told the same thing.....if they would only get a new job, a hobby, or begin to exercise.....then they would be fine.
2. An agent which would produce so many symptoms throughout the body that it would appear as if the patient was malingering or faking.
This criteria prevents the medical community from taking the disease seriously. In the meantime it moves quietly through the population, being labeled as many separate diseases and conditions.
3. If the disabling agent is a combination of several diseases or microbes, some of which could be genetically engineered, then it becomes very difficult, if not impossible to diagnose and treat.
4. Diseases which are spread by insect vectors are very much sought after and have been used for years in biological warfare. Using insect vectors makes an epidemic much easier to pass off as a natural event, while concealing the identity of the perpetrators.
The following quotes are from Science Daily, Sept 3, 2004. They suggest that ticks, especially Ioxdes Scapularis (the deer tick which spreads Lyme disease) would make a very appropriate candidate for vectoring biological warfare agents. As you read these quotes, ask yourself if the Ixodes Scapularis ticks could have already been utilized for this purpose.
"Ticks as small as a freckle can transmit a number of illnesses for which there is no vaccine, and in some cases, no cure. These creatures could even become bio-terrorism weapons."
Perdue University and The University of Connecticut, at the time this Science daily article was written, were undertaking the project of unraveling the genetics of the tick species Ixodes Scapularis.
Catherine Hill, Purdue's co-principal investigator, tells us that "From a bio- terrorism standpoint, it's pretty clear ticks could transmit a number of diseases that intentionally could be introduced and conveyed to people."
Another quote from the same article in Science Daily : "A number of ticks in the United States spread pathogens that the CDC considers potential bio-terrorism agents.
The family to which I. Scapularis belongs, Ixodidae, carries many of the microbes included on the CDC's Select Biological Agents and Toxins list." These researchers are hoping that a better understanding of ticks will help them discover better treatments for the diseases they spread.
Not only are ticks considered an efficient means of transmitting biological weapons, but the spirochete, borrelia burgdorferi (the agent which causes Lyme disease) has also been considered by researchers, as a potential bio-warfare agent.
In fact,some advisory board members to Lyme disease organizations have extensive backgrounds in bio-warfare research.
Dr. Donald MacArthur, who was in charge of the development and testing of biological weapons for the Pentagon, had this to say at a Hearing before a Subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations in 1969.
"Incapacitating agents are a more recent development and are in the research and development (R&D) phase (in 1969). In fact the prime emphasis in agent R&D is on developing better incapacitating agents.
We are synthesizing new compounds and testing them in animals. I should mention that there is a rule of thumb we use before an agent can be classified as an incapacitant, we feel that the mortality should be very low (emphasis mine).
Therefore the ratio of the lethal dose to the incapacitating dose has to be very high. Now this is a technical job. We have some of the top scientists in the country working for years on how to get more effective incapacitating agents. It is not easy."
He also tells us that an incapacitating agent "imposes a greater logistic burden on the enemy when he has to look after disabled people."
When a large portion of the population is sick and unable to work, this puts an enormous strain on the economy. Think for a moment about the Lyme/co-infection epidemic and how many people are unable to work.
We are not just talking about those who have been diagnosed with Lyme, but also the thousands upon thousands of people who are being mislabeled with depression.....and the ever-growing list of those people with so-called "autoimmune diseases".
Many readers are already aware of the great difficulty Lyme patients experience in trying to get diagnosed and treated.
It is becoming increasingly obvious that this denial of treatment is intentional. We are told that Lyme disease has been around for hundreds of years and that ticks are filthy organisms which can spread many diseases in one single bite.
This appears to be true, but, is this due to a natural evolutionary process or is this sudden proliferation of countless co-infections, a process which has had some help from bio-warfare researchers?
Are all these ticks, carrying multiple pathogens, naturally this way or are they the result of the Russian Doll Concept?
Have ticks themselves been modified to endure harsh weather extremes?
The ticks which carry Lyme disease appear to be surviving in climates previously inhospitable to this species. In fact, this disease is becoming endemic in many parts of the world at once and it seems to be just as controversial everywhere it spreads.
As I mentioned before, one of the criteria for an effective bio-warfare agent is resistance to antibiotics.
Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb), the causative agent of Lyme disease, can often present with persistent infection and is many times incurable with the standard antibiotic regimes. In many cases it is obvious that a patient's symptoms are due to ongoing infection.
There is positive response to antibiotics,(even if not a total or permanent cure), herxheimer reactions, positive tests and even sometimes positive cultured biopsies and autopsies......all after what the mainstream medical system calls an "appropriate course of antibiotics."
Why are they denying that Lyme disease can persist in the body, despite what they consider adequate treatment? I don't believe this stance is due to stupidity or ignorance.
While usually extended antibiotics are necessary in controlling and improving a tenacious Lyme infection, it appears that the organism may never be totally eradicated.
It is known that there are techniques used to enhance bacterial resistance to antibiotics.
So....while on the one hand the medical authorities are warning us of the dangers of the overuse of antibiotics and even limiting their valid applications....on the other hand they are creating and perhaps even letting loose antibiotic resistant germs.
I would like to quote Thomas Keske from his "Origin of Lyme Disease, part 2. The quotes in his excerpts are from the 99th Annual Meeting of the American Society for Microbiology.
"Oddly, the Lyme agent, though it is a supposedly "old" disease, has a somewhat curious genetic structure that looks like it "was captured in mid-shuttle," like it is "still undergoing construction."
It is riddled with gene duplications and pseudo-genes, fragments with inversions, deletions, frame-shift mutations, inappropriately placed stop codones.
Perhaps the untidy genetic structure is a statistical fluke. Of course another possibility not mentioned is that an odd genetic structure might conceivably be a product of genetic experimentation."
Please take some time to review the qualifications for an effective biological warfare agent and think about them in relation to the Lyme/co-infection epidemic.
Contemplate how Lyme patients are being treated. We are often labeled as hysterical, depressed and as having antibiotic seeking behavior.
By the chance that there is an intentional epidemic being caused by "whomever", this psychological labeling causes doctors to ignore an epidemic which may be passed not only by ticks and other insects but through the blood supply, organ donation, intercourse, breast feeding and through the placenta during pregnancy.
Why are there no studies being conducted in these areas?
We need to put on our thinking caps and not be afraid to mention the unthinkable. When things just don't seem to add up, we must begin to ask difficult questions.
We don't want to simply make wild statements which create fear. However, we do need to raise our serious doubts in a concerned rational manner.
How can we resolve a problem without knowing it's real cause? And......how can we determine the real cause if we don't explore all the possibilities?
The above article was contributed by: Marjorie Tietjen: Marjorie is a freelance investigative journalist with a B.S. in nutrition.
She writes on various topics but has a special interest in public health, education and awareness. Her writings can be found online and in several print publications.
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Do some research into "eugenics" on Google... There's alot of info there.
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Diseases have been around for many moons and weaponised, which is why it is so hard to eradicate.
They become super pathogens cell wall deficient to anything that could penetrate, destroying the bug/virus/mixture.
Read anything about plum island.
Read about lab 257
Read anything about mycoplasma, this link is interesting
When I first started reseaching Lyme when I was dx in Aug 2002 it all went back to disease that was weaponised and sprayed across N. America or created for military warfare.
I have always believed Lyme and other diseases are what I call "Government issued".
You will always read where the CDC and NIH worked with the military weaponising diseases.
Somewhere I can't remember at the moment, I read where they were meant to disable, not kill. But over the years the mycoplasma's and Lyme diseases of our world has become a super bug taking lives.
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sparkle7
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good info on whale.to !
Read the stuff by Elenor McBean if you are interested in vaccines. It's classic!
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Amy Proal has put together the facts, and it's obvious that most medics for the last 80 years have had no idea that bacteria go into other shapes and behaviours. Why such fundamental knowledge was hidden, we can all guess now.
There is a recent trend in the UK to give Azithromycin to people with STDs such as chlamydia and gonorrhea. Teenagers can text a mobile number and be sent a test kit from the regional hospital, then have a confidential reply and diagnosis to their phone after they've sent the kit to the hospital.
They are so worried about the upsurge in this disease that people can go to a pharmacy without a prescription and obtain the Zithromax. But only 1 dose is given.
Isn't that crazy? I've already noticed a recent paper this autumn saying single dose zithromax is probably causing treatment-resistant infections.
How can this be a health policy, when everyone was repeatedly told over the last decades that you must take abx for the whole course of treatment, otherwise it leaves a few resistant bacteria.
Perhaps the people in charge of health are cost-cutting even for the STDs.
I digress, but it shows how ignorant many docs must be about infectious disease, and how there will be just one person at the top, perhaps with other agenda, who can get away with dictating policy at ground level.
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