Abxnomore
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Why are we judging Lymeric before he has had a chance to come back and explain? He said that he would.
Even in the two older threads posts that were posed above, the same themes come thru. Mainly two distinct points.
Even with clean needles the ink wells will become contaminated. That would be equal to getting a shot at the doctor's office with a clean needle for a procedure that requires two doses so he takes the same needle out of your arm and sticks it back into the vile and then back into you.
If he is doing this repeatedly the solution he is sticking into you is not sterile, thou the needle will be. BETTER HAVE YOUR OWN INK AND NEEDLES IF YOU WANT TO BE SAFE FROM PATHOGENS.
The inks used are documented to be made from petroleum based products, contain heavy metals, and other industrial solvents that are unregulated by any government agency for human safety and slowly leech into your system thru out your life span much the same way mercury amalgams do. It like intentionally putting poison into your body that will eventually in some way, shape or for affect your health.
Does this effect one's immune system. You bet it does and your health down the line whether you have lyme or not. But having lyme you are adding a extra toxic burden to the system, a system that often has trouble detoxing. It will further stress your adrenal glands and add to a cascading effect of ill health.
Still, it's everyone's free choice what they do with their bodies. I only hope they would be informed of the consequences before making such choices.
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'Would you inject car paint into your skin?"
Just in case folks didn't get a chance to open and read this link that was a posted above by Abxnomore,
. . . . car paint, petroleum and mercury make up the dye. I don't see how any LLMD would want to continue trying to get someone well when this stuff is being absorbed into a patient's skin on a daily basis.
Just as some LLMDs dismiss patients for not following the self-care guidelines (such as consuming alcohol and smoking) because it's a loosing battle under such conditions, you might check with your LLMD to see if s/he would be able to work against this huge obstacle.
If you are serious about wanting to recover from lyme, I urge you to reconsider and give your body the care it needs to fight this battle.
FDA Will Review Toxic Tattoo Chemicals - (02.10.2008)
The FDA has launched an investigation into the chemicals contained in tattoo and permanent makeup inks, as well as their potential health consequences.
Excerpts:
The European Commission had sent out a warning already in July 2003, where they asked 'Would you inject car paint into your skin?,' that somehow was summarizing the possible health risks associated with tattooing.
The report of the European Commission said most chemicals used in tattoos were industrial pigments originally used for other purposes, such as automobile paints or writing inks, and there was little or no safety data to support their use in tattoos.
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One of the chemicals known to be used in tattoo ink is thimerosal, also called thiomersal, an organic compound containing ethylmercury.
In the US, thimerosal is commonly included in tattoo inks, vaccines, antivenins, and eye and ear products as a preservative. Due in part to mercury's toxic effects, thimerosal is very effective at killing off fungal and bacterial growth.
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Keebler, yes it was all posted already above. Pretty clear how bad this stuff is but some still
truly don't understand the connections between this illness and the outside world. You know we live in a world where we want easy fixes and think a pill
will answer all our problems. There is lots of repair that needs to be done during and long after the pills are gone to getting the body back into homeostasis.
The last thing I would want is to put this kind of toxic junk into mine. There are enough toxins
I have to avoid just by breathing the air, drinking water and finding food that has not been poisoned by Monsanto and others.
Not everyone wants to do the hard work involved that it takes to really take care of yourselves. It's too bad we live in a world where most of the
stuff that is out there is bad for us and we have to research and educate ourselves about everything, even the food we eat.
Many think if it's available, then it must be safe......not so infortunately.
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Well, it seems that in California (see below) they are required to warn customers about possible toxins in inks. Similar to the warning on Cigarettes.
But we all know they will not ban cigarettes or I doubt these toxic inks either as the government makes revenue from the sales and people would be fighting mad if there "choice" to indulge in these things ,even though unhealthy, was taken away from them.
Just be informed about what you are doing and weigh the risks -- it's your decision.
Personally, I am already so damaged by the toxic metals in almalgams (all my molars which cost a fortune to remove & replace with crowns)& vaccines that I think a tattoo might be "the straw that broke the camel's back" for me.
_________________________ News Release September 19: State Judge Issues Preliminary Injunction Requiring Warnings on Tattoo Ink Products Sold by Largest Ink Sellers in US U.S.
American Environmental Safety Institute
Palo Alto, California
NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: Monday, September 19.
Contact: Roger Carrick - (213) 346-7925
State Judge Issues Preliminary Injunction Requiring Warnings on Tattoo Ink Products Sold by Largest Ink Sellers in US
Los Angeles, CA - Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Irving Feffer today issued a preliminary injunction against Huck Spaulding Enterprises, Inc. ("Spaulding") and Superior Tattoo Equipment Co. ("Superior"), the largest tattoo ink sellers in the country.
New York-based Spaulding sells the "VooDoo" brand, while Arizona-based Superior sells the "Prizm" brand of tattoo inks.
The preliminary injunction requires these companies to place the following warning on their tattoo ink labels, catalogs and Internet sites for their California customers:
"WARNING: Tattoo inks and pigments contain many heavy metals, including Lead, Arsenic and others.
All of these heavy metals have been scientifically determined by the State of California to cause cancer or birth defects and other reproductive harm.
Pregnant women and women of childbearing age in particular should consult with their doctor before getting any tattoo.
A person is exposed to tattoo inks and/or pigments when they get a tattoo because they are injected with tattoo ink under their skin or the tattoo ink is applied on their skin."
Judge Feffer granted the motion for preliminary injunction brought by the American Environmental Safety Institute in its Proposition 65 lawsuit filed against Spaulding, Superior and seven other tattoo ink and pigment manufacturers.
The lawsuit alleges that these companies are exposing teenagers and adults who are tattooed using their inks to dangerous levels of Lead and seven other toxic metals.
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I'm not sure most of the folks in the business are even told what they are working with. I think they may be shocked themselves to find out or to learn the serious nature of the ingredients.
I was never taught in school about many of the dangers we face with what we have consumed for decades. It takes a lot of research - and reading from many sources - to get the full picture.
The people who mfr and sell the ink don't want buyers to know.
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apparently I must have injected car ink into my skin 8 times...
I posted this originally to find out if it was safe to get a tattoo with Lyme and Co's.
I didn't want to infect another person if the artist was unsterile.
Obviously there is good supportive evidence that claims all the stuff in the ink is bad, as Abxnomore and Keebler had pointed out.
I just don't know where getting a tattoo fits in with increased violence and anger?? Prison tattoos??
Thats all I'm saying. Everyone has helped me with my question regarding tattoos and I thank you.
I just don't get where some people think by getting them could increase violence and anger??
We will have to see what Lymeric says....
Thanks again to all that replied!
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Interesting discussion.
I'm in so much pain I couldn't even think of having a tattoo done. With all of this pain over the years, one would think I would be an honorary shaman by now... tattoo or not.
Aside from the pain, I have also heard that the inks are toxic. I did see a place in LA once that had a Maori guy doing tattoos in the native style. Maybe he makes his own inks based on their cultural traditions or with more natural ingredients?
I don't have any tattoos & I probably won't get any due to my pain condition. I don't need any other toxins in my system, either. I have studied fine art & did textile design which requires good drawing skills in a particular type of style.
I was thinking of learning tattooing but I'm not sure I could do it since I don't have any tattoos... My eyesight isn't as good as it was & my hand isn't quite as steady as it used to be.
I haven't studied enough to know if violent cultures get more tattoos than other cultures... Judging by the amount to death imposed by wars from this country - one might think the president would be covered in them.
I also have a kind of strange idea about tattoos & body piercing... It occurred to me that this trend towards tattoos & piercing was in preparation for implantation of devices under the skin to monitor people in the future. Or, to have a cashless society.
You know, like 666 - mark of the beast & all. I know tattooing has it's beauty & art, rite of passage, etc. but it did occur to me.
They have developed RFID tags that can be implanted under the skin - - - Why not make it a cool fashion statement? I hope this isn't too over the top for y'all...
Just some thoughts.
PS- I would think that they use disposable needles. I can't see why anyone would re-use a needle. They are inexpensive. Who would want to be accused of spreading AIDS, etc. or getting sued over the cost of a needle in this day & age?
Ultimately, it's a personal decision. I studied sculpture & art & was exposed to way more toxins from molten metals, stone, plaster, clay & all kind of paints & solvents over my lifetime...
Some people die from eating tainted spinach or meat with e-coli from the health food store...
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sparkle7:
Thanks for your input!!!
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H, I know some places have vegan inks (most ink isn't totally vegan), but not sure if those are non-toxic as well.
I have no tats, though I'd love to get one or two. As of right now, I have more piercings and am more into piercing than tattooing. Though I'd love a tattoo at some point.
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My husband is a tattoo artist and has MANY tattoos. I don't have not a one, lol.
I've asked him to give me a tattoo for over a year now, and have even resorted to begging a few times.
He's a stubborn guy and refuses to give me one bc of my Lyme disease. He's concerned that it'll put to much stress on my already overly stressed body, or that it may not heal properly or as quickly as it should - tiny cuts and scratches seem to hang around for forever on me.
After reading all of these posts on the toxicity of the ink (which never even occured to me before) I'm really glad that I wasn't able to talk him into it.
I think I'll leave my body just the way it is
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Your husband is a smart man.
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I got my first tattoo over a year after my many neuro symptoms first started. It healed quickly and my symptoms didn't increase or worsen at all.
The tattoo shop that did mine used sterile equipment, sterile needles and squirted ink into sterile ink holders. No sharing of ink, equipment, etc.
For those harping about the extra toxins, stress to the immune system, etc -- how many of you smoke or have an occassional drink? How many of you are out in the sun with no sunscreen? How many of you have children/are around children during cold and flu season? How many of you eat McDonalds or drink a Coke? How about the hairspray or make-up you use? Deodorant or lotion? And all those Lyme tx?
Seems to me that many of the anti-tattoo comments are really just that -- anti-tattoo. I find it hard to believe that all of the detractors are leading truly toxin-free lives...
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Abxnomore
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I know we can't avoid all toxins but I try my best. Don't smoke, don't drink, don't use commercial deordorants (use a mineral one), use mineral
based makeup (Jane Iredale) no lead, tar, cat guts, don't eat at McDonalds, don't eat junk food eat organic real
food, don't drink any thing but filtered water or organic tea and I read labels and understand what they mean. I research as much as I can because knowledge is power.
I am not anti tattoo. I am pro health as I know that more than 90% of the stuff that is on the
market is bad for me and there are already enough environmental toxins that my body has to deal with, coupled with this illness. I want my health back.
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Lauren - How did your husband get into tattooing? You can PM me if it's better for you to respond that way.
It's probably best to try to avoid toxins if possible. I was into health foods & being healthy since I was 14 or so. I'm 47 now. I don't smoke, drink & rarely eat anything but healthy foods. I still got CFS, herpes, fibromyalgia, & Lyme & who knows what else...
We go outside & there are chemtrails everywhere. Who knows what we are being sprayed with. If it makes someone happy to get a tattoo - I'd say go for it.
Would any of you say they are never going to walk outside in fear of getting bitten by a tick again? We can't all go live in a bubble somewhere.
I'm not so convinced about the whole scar trauma theories. It's an interesting topic. I'm sure there are people who have gone through very severe trauma in this world & seem to be healthy... healthier than most of us, in any case.
I don't think it's trauma that has caused our illnesses. It may be through going through pain that we are able to transform our minds. If one choses to do this in a conscious way - it seems like it can be helpful.
There are some traumas that we can't control. Maybe this trauma induced rite of passage is a way for people to feel they have control over their lives? In this case, the benefit may outweigh the risk...
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It is not true that everyone who is against tattoos smoke or drink, etc.
I don't smoke, drink, eat sugar, gluten, diary or corn. I stay to a good glycemic index and eat healthful foods. My body has little leeway in this but I've come to appreciate that my body's requirements are the better choices.
I am not anti-art. I am not against self-expression (unless it is harmful).
I am against putting toxins into our bodies. It seems that no matter how many articles explain what goes into the ink or what mercury can do to the brain, that this seems to be a "freedom of expression" thing.
But it really is not. It's about having full knowledge - doing all the research from many sources.
It not that I want to spoil anyone's enjoyment of life. Quite the contrary. Once the body is so affected by infections such as lyme, one wrong step can make progress impossible.
I would never consider putting anything into or onto my body that might be harmful. We have choices. I even use hand lotion that is free of petroleum products because of the damage they can do even from absorption.
For more about petroleum products in the human body:
There are many other professional articles about what mercury can do.
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I wondered if henna might be an alternative art medium but just did a basic search and it seems that there can be problems there, too, with additives such a mercury and scaring from "black" henna.
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I have multiple tattoos and I love them. I havent had one done for 10 years now, but I look at them and remember the times in my life that were so good and fun. Its a permanent reminder of where I have been in my life. Someday I will get another (likely a symbol of my defeat of lyme and a tribute of some kind to my children), but while I have Lyme I am going to wait, as I dont think my body can handle that now. as a side note..... my heavy metals tests were great!
DOes anyones tattoos get raised and sorta itchy? happens sometimes to me.
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I didn't say that everyone against tattoos smokes and drinks. My point was that it is nearly impossible to live toxin free. We all make choices that involve exposure to toxins. It is nearly impossible to live toxin-free.
It's great that you live as "healthy" as you do. I am healthy and live healthy, as well. Other than LD (or whatever this is), I am healthy and have been even with my choice of tattoos. In my experience, tattooing did not worsen anything. No heavy metals here. No mercury. A really cool tattoo, though.
I guess my problem with this thread is that it went from asking a simple question to an outright condemnation of people's individual choices.
Some with LD have chosen oral abx, some natural treatments, some IV, some the ILADS approach and some the IDSA way. People don't have to agree with other's choices but to say they are blatantly wrong is, IMHO, wrong.
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Abxnomore:
Must be tough reading all those labels and getting that deodorant!!!
More power to ya!
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I have not meant to condemn anyone's choice and I don't see that in the other posts based on the ingredients.
It's not condemning people's choices, just what the industry has put out there for us in the products and sharing the experts and researchers' work on that. We, as consumers, have to step up to the plate. We have to learn more.
Just as with vaccines, with what Jenny McCarthy has done - it's all about safety.
I'm glad you did not suffer any ill effects. But with the experts' assessment of the dangers, for someone in ill health, their findings are what alarms me, as a consumer and someone who is genuinely interested in helping others feel good - as long as they can.
My father was a product liability attorney. I cannot tell you the kind of machines or products that were touted as safe - when the manufacturers knew for a long time that they were not.
Once, a woman showed up at our house with her head raw and bleeding from a bad hair treatment. Still, in my teens all though to my forties, I either bleached or highlighted my hair.
I was rather slow to get it. My lungs now are in poor shape. I don't know how much of that was from breathing in harsh fumes and even powdery stuff from mixing the bleach but I am sure I did not help. And all those chemicals that soaked into my head did not increase my IQ, I'm quite sure.
This is just one example of how, because I wanted to look prettier or have that extra spark of light that I put my body at risk. My lungs have to carry me through the rest of my life and now I have much work to see that that is possible.
Many of the LLMDs tell us to avoid mercury in some varieties of fish. It would follow, then, that we should avoid mercury in other sources, too.
It's not about condemning someone for wanting to perk up their appearance. I totally get that.
It's about the products. It's about how the body will deal with that for the rest of time. Some seem to do fine but it is clearly a risk with a compromised body.
The world may be filled with lots of toxins but we have a choice in not having to add to that.
And I can start thinking about the next step. What might be a safer method. I can see someone making money on some sort of tattoo patches or tattoo armbands, etc. With art, there is much to explore. With ingredients, too, there are alternatives. We just might not have found them yet.
I can actually see putting some of the more elegant tattoos on fabric and framing them for wall decor. Many artists are talented and deserve to find a medium in which they can prosper.
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So who said that life was going to be easy?
When you live in a world run by large corporations whose main interests are profits, you bet you have to research, educate yourself and know what you are putting in your body.
Seriously, you should not be using commercial deodorant. It is full of aluminum salts and keeps your body from sweating. You need to sweat to detox all the toxins in your body.
I've been using this stuff over 25 years when I tested high for aluminum. My doctor told me to stop using commercial deodorant.
It stops the odor but allows your body to sweat and detox and won't clog up your lymph nodes. It's cheaper, too.
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Abxnomore:
Huh...
I'll have to check it out... Your are right about checking everything out though..
I just don't have the energy to do so... What about shampoos and soaps????
Organic is very expensive....I know its the best route, but it is very costly...
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Well while you are home sick use the time when you are up to it to read and learn. There's nothing you can't find on the Internet.
Soaps and shampoos are loaded with chemicals, dyes and lots of bad stuff, too. Stay away from artificial dyes and colors. Commercial tooth paste is terrible, too.
It has fluoride in it, a known carcinogen, and saccharin. I use PerioBrite and find it to be a good product. It does not contain Sodium-Lauryl-Sulfate, as other natural toothpastes do.
Soft drinks are loaded with sugar and robs the calcium from your bones. Fruit juice is basically sugar, you are better off eating the fruit. You get the fiber and the fresh vitamins of the fruit.
Basically, if you look at a product and can't pronounce the ingredients or don't know what it is, it's most probably not good for you. Or research it and find out what it is before you eat it.
Yes organic is often more expensive but not always.
That deodorant I use is probably cheaper. Haven't bought any other kind in years but I bet the kind you buy in the drug store is more expensive.
Local farmer's market, when in season...buying local is not necessarily more expensive. It's about making good choices. If you go into ethnic
markets, especially middle eastern ones they always sell olive oil soap. They sell it at a reasonable price, compared to the fancy shops.
In the long run, if you take care of yourself, your medical bills will be less down the line.
It's about learning and educating yourself.
Try subscribing to Dr. Mercola's newsletter as a place to start. I don't always agree with him but he brings up good issues and information.
There are many health newsletters and radio shows you can learn from, as well as books. And, of course, there is lots to learn right here on Lymenet! Posts: 5191 | From Lyme Zone | Registered: Jan 2009
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Abxnomore:
Thanks for the info!! I give you lots of credit researching everything!
Did you always stay clear from regular supermarket health/beauty supplies or did you start doing it once you got sick?
Thanks again!
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Pretty much always but I got more extreme once I got sick.
I have always gone to alternative doctors and grew up with an immigrant family that used old fashioned natural remedies, values that were closer to what the struggles of real life were about.
My motto is to stick as close to what mother nature provides. Live the way people used to live in the old days when they farmed their own food and made their own products. While I can't live like that now, I try to do the best within this world we live in.
I spent most of my childhood in the garden growing fruits and vegetables...all natural, no pesticides!
As a child if I was sick, my mother didn't automatically drag me to the doctor. She knew what to do. Nature provides us with everything we need, before we destroyed it.
Look at the intricate system of Chinese medicine, thousands of years old all based on natures bounty.
One thing you can be sure of, if you hear an advertisement telling you something is good for you, it's probably not. Research it first.
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Anytime I settle for something that is not organic, I ask myself what the cost will be to get the chemicals back out of my body. It is often much higher - and after a chance for damage to occur. Undoing the damage is not easy and not always possible.
I have found that I really don't have to load the shower gel on - a tiny bit goes a long way.
If I don't have the time to research something that goes into my body - I don't use it.
BTW, did you know that some fabric softeners use mercury ? But they don't have to tell you that.
Avoiding petroleum products is very important as not only can they contribute to cancer but, for lyme patients who already have a wrecked and dysfunctional endocrine system, petroleum products (including scented air fresheners, etc) are what is termed an "endocrine disruptor" - you can read much more about that at the site below.
You can check out all the ingredients in personal care/grooming/cosmetics and household products here. You might just have to look around a bit as there are many links within this site:
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Abxnomore and keebler:
Thanks for your help!
Seems like a most things made are bad for you....
Abxnomore, thanks for sharing your story, it was very intersting!
I will definately look into some things that I didn't know could effect me, like make a simple deodorant change for starters.
Eventually, I know this will take time, I will be able to incorporate more healthy things into my life.
Thanks again for the replies!!!
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Do any of you know if there are organic and safe inks? My daughter told me not to worry, her tattoos were done with safe ink..Not sure how she really could know that.
I also heard a cd from Dr. K once that said many people do not release mercury and do not have a positive test. They have to do some special challenges to get it to move around and show up.
He explained his nurse had some fillings removed and was very ill but did not show up mercury positive until much later when he had her do some challenge things, don't remember what they were, to free up the mercury. lmt
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Warning...Beware!
There are no safe inks for our bodies.
There are no safe foreign substances that we add to our body.
We are taking risks each time we introduce something new that is not a natural food. We are made to ingest food! That's it! Anything else, take at your own risk.
Our immune systems go into action against any foreign substance. Wait until the young people
with tats get a little older, and start to feel the effects of a compromised immune system.
Especially when they really need their immune system to be healthy to fight off another pathogen or invader that they did not choose to put in their body, like lyme.
It's exactly what many of us face after years of getting mercury amalgam fillings. We were told those were safe by our dentist.
I'm speaking from experience with feeling invincible in my youth.
My initial problem was actually years of diet pills, asparatame, and weight loss supplements that took a big toll on my immune system.
At the time I took these...they were considered safe by most Americans!
I'm a baby boomer...and we have all been exposed to a wide variety of so called "safe" toxins, only to be later told, sorry, we made a mistake with your health!
I also dye my hair...to cover grey....and that also has metals that i just became aware of recently...it is a very big problem now for me to resolve..similar to the tatoo issue.
If I knew then...what I know now...I may be healthier today with lyme.
consider this:
Also the metals in the tats and the amalgams and the hair dye are passed onto our unborn children. My young daughter was just tested for metals...and has loads of mercury!!!(she has no tats, hair dye, or amalgams...but has all the chemicals and metals in her system...!) How could this be?
I am only responding here to sound the alarm and ring the warning bell that was never done for me!
I want you all to be healthy and your future children, which is the future of our country, to be strong and healthy too!
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The thing about research is that it can be skewed to prove any viewpoint. Seriously. Jenny McCarthy and others are convinced that vaccines cause autism and they have the research to back it up. There was recently a panel of medical/autism professionals who concluded that vaccines do not cause autism -- and they have the research to back it up.
I know there is research about tattoos. If you look at the whole body of research, you will find it to say that they are both safe and unsafe.
Lyme disease has research showing two very different viewpoints, the ILADS and the IDSA. I know this group feels strongly that ILADS has the "true" research and approach. I find it hard to believe, though, that all the IDSA folks are idiots or out to make a buck. There is likely truth to both sides.
I appreciate all the links to the research on tattoos, deodorant, etc. But you have to remember that there are two sides to every story and an equal body of research to support the other side.
My problem, like I said, is when one side is presented as gospel truth. I understand that you and others are trying to educate about safety. But presenting it as "THE" definitive research and thereby drawing a conclusion of things being unsafe is problematic.
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I have been careful about my diet, cosmetics, beauty products, etc. for most of my life & I still became ill.
My mother got lymphoma from black hair dye when I was 12. She didn't know it was from black hair dye until many years later. I was always very cautious about things from a young age.
Even still, I became ill with CFS when I was in my 20s. Then, I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia when I was 36 & Lyme 9 years later.
It's really hard to say that if you avoid something that you think is toxic that you will be free of illness. I recently moved to the south & people down here are really obese. Sad to say but you just can't help noticing it.
So if the toxins don't get you the pathogens or junk food will... It's really hard to stay away from it all. Now, they are talking of introducing cloned meats. We already have GM foods in the store that aren't clearly labeled.
Many people have jobs that expose them to toxins, EMF, too much stress. We can do small things like buy organic or stop using products with toxins but it's everywhere.
Not to mention mercury fillings & toxic dental materials, vaccines, giving kids drugs for Attention Deficit, etc.
Just the stress from having these "mystery" illnesses is enough to make you want to give up.
I agree with the people who say that the inks are toxic. I've worked in the art world for many years & most paints are very toxic.
I don't want a tattoo but I can understand why someone would. I'm not sure I would say that no one should do it. People have been doing tattoos for thousands of years...
It seems kind of hypocritical when there are so many things people do everyday that can be toxic, as well... I know people with tattoos that are fine & in good health.
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How did your mother find out her Lymphoma was caused by black hair dye?
My mom had Lymphoma for 13 years. She died from a different type of cancer.
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Lymphoma from black hair dye??? I understand the controversy that surrounds getting a tattoo.
I feel that you can try your hardest to stay away from everything "toxic", but for myself I would be paranoid by every little thing if I did that.
I think you need to live your life to the fullest and happiest you can, given your circumstances.
If I'm going to die, I'm gonna die happy!
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My mother had developed an enlarged lymph gland back around 1972 or so. They thought it was cat scratch fever at first. Then the tests came back for cancer.
Many years later, there was a class action suit that found that black hair dye caused lymphoma. I think some people were awarded money. My mother didn't participate - I don't know why.
Beauty products are very bad in that they don't have much regulation. They put all kinds of crap in cosmetics & things you apply to your skin. The skin is just as susceptible to absorb these things as if you eat or breathe it (in my opinion).
I guess this goes to support why it may not be good to have a tattoo. It is very hard to avoid everything.
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Well sorry to hear about your loss....
I guess you have to check things two or three times before you use them!
Hope your doing ok....
Thanks again for your input!
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Thank you... We aren't close. I left home when I was 17 (30 years ago)... I think she's still hanging in there. They gave her an experimental therapy at Sloan Kettering hospital & it worked.
Sorry to be so flip about it but I tried to have a relationship with her but she doesn't really care. I saw her last summer & she's 85. It's unfortunate that she's unavailable but that's the way she wants it.
So, you don't always know what going to kill you... Might be the organic spinach...
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Yeah or the organic deodorant!!! Everyday on the news they tell you something new that will kill you.
First it was burnt bread causes cancer then it was talking on the cell phone.
Believe me I'm sure some of the stuff is 100 percent ligit.
All I'm saying is I have crappy life ( besides having my family) and If something will make me happy then why not do it?
I guess I'm one that likes to live on the edge... maybe I haven't come to terms with this disease and co's yet...
Maybe I'm in denial and pretend like my life is how it used to be. I know one thing for sure, if I'm thinking positive then I'm one up on life.
This disease may kill me, it may not. By getting a tattoo at least for me is very theraputic.
It relaxes my mind... and who knows maybe I'll get one of a Tick with a dagger in it! I understand both sides of the fence.
This post has brought out some pretty good stuff and I'm glad I posted.
I don't get angry at those opposed to getting a tattoo, they are just trying to help.
I respect and thank everyone for their concerns/replies!
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Yes, using hair dye will increase your risk of getting cancer.
There is always two sides to the story. Don't we know. Lyme can become chronic, ILADS. No, it's easily curable, IDSA.
It all boils down to the individual and how they want to live their life. How many people smoke, knowing full well, there is no dispute there,
that it will significantly raise their chances of getting lung cancer. Most people who smoke, get it and die from it but people still smoke.
Coming from an anthropological back ground, I usually see things from the point of view of how we evolved and I don't like playing with mother nature, if I can help it. I think living as best
as we can, as one with nature is what is the healthier approach for homo sapiens.
And yes, I know indigenous peoples use tattoos but they use natural dyes from plants and the
earth and many have a shorter life span, so we don't know how having tattoos affected their long term health. I don't believe there are any studies on tattoos and indigenous peoples long term health.
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Just be sure your LLMD will still be willing to work with you. It may make his/her job nearly impossible.
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Abxnomore:
I guess we are living in one toxic world then huh???
Tattoos have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years....
The Native American cultures used face paints and other dyes for celebrations, war, etc....
Yes, they were made from the earth, but as far as I know most Native Americans were very healthy.
It's all how you look at it... Liberal_________Conservative.
I'm very "Left Handed"!
Thanks for the response and the link!
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re: as far as I know most Native Americans were very healthy
Many succumbed to small pox & other diseases that the Europeans brought here since they didn't have immunity to them.
The Europeans lived among domestic animals so they had developed antibodies to many diseases that were fatal to the Native people in the Americas.
Small pox was spread by accident & intentionally through disease infected blankets given to the Native people to wipe them out.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this but in some cases - a little poison may help us... Being completely germ free may not be a good thing. I don't know if this applies to chemicals, though.
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Lyme patients have a much harder time getting rid of mercury due to the nature of the spirochete. Mercury is never a good thing and the spirochete lreally latches onto it. Elevated mercury is one of the things that makes the neuro symptoms much more severe.
This book has one of the very best explanations of why lyme patients are so burdened with mercury. It is fascinating to read that part of the book, even if one is not interested at all in Rife.
When Antibiotics Fail. . . Lyme Disease and Rife Machines
Foreword by Richard Loyd, PhD - By Bryan Rosner
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There are also a million threads and other articles about mercury problems for lyme patients. You can search here at LymeNet for threads by GiGi.
A google search including Dietrich (or Deitrich) Klinghardt's work will also be helpful. He has done a great deal of research regarding mercury detox for lyme patients.
We are seeing a serious rise in the environment of neuro-toxic chemicals and heavy metals.
The resultant accumulation of heavy metals in the human body poses significant health risks. Chronic mercury exposure from occupational, environmental, dental amalgam, and contaminated food exposure is a significant threat to public health.
. . .
* Click link at site to read article.
- Also see menu to the left of the home page for the various links regarding heavy metals and lyme.
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Sparkle not sure where you were going with your thread either. I was referring to indigenous peoples around the world.
Native Americans experienced genocide by the Europeans. I have a master's in anthropology, I know this stuff, about chicken pox infected blankets and the many atrocities we inflicted upon native Americans.
I was referring to all the indigenous cultures around the world who have been using tattoos for hundreds of years may be thousands. Back then all people had a shorter life span.
Of course Native Americans were healthy. They lived off the land without chemicals and didn't live in the toxic world we live in. If was way before the industrial revolution. Yes, we all need exposure to germs to build up immunity, but not exposure to poisons.
If people didn't have exposure to germs we would have no immune system. The Native Americans had no immunity to European diseases because the Old and New world developed in total isolation from each other for thousands of years.
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Abxnomore:
What would you do then if a study was done where a person with Nuero Lyme like myself and a healthy person with nothing wrong with them.
(Each person got a tattoo at the same exact time and place.)
Then 20 years from the now guy with the Lyme outlasted the healthy guy.
All I'm saying is your life is a crapshoot. Tomorrow is never promised. I grew up in NYC and saw horrific things, but that made me who I am today.
Live life, thats all I'm saying....
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Look there are people who smoke three packs a day and live into their 90's. No one knows why they don't get lung cancer. However, most people who smoke do develop it.
This is all a personal choice. But in this day and age we have a lot of information available to us, such as knowing the health consequences of smoking. We now know that there is a direct correlation between lung cancer and smoking. It's not a matter of will I get lung cancer but more a matter of when, with very few exceptions.
Keep yourself informed. If you have the information and still what to take the risk then that's an informed decision. Everyone is free to do with their life what they wish.
It is they who will suffer the consequences later and they will have to deal with it when they do.
Some people are more cautious about the way they approach life then others. Of course, we all want to live life to the fullest but different people interpret what that means differently. Others are more willing to take risks.
As for myself, I do live life the way I want to. I've done all the things I've wanted to do. I've traveled to many areas of the world, I have a wonderful son, a good education, I help others, I'm politically
active, I take joy in the beauty of nature and I'm in control of my life. Except for this illness, I've done all the things I've wanted to
to do. So I look at the positives. Getting lyme has robbed me of a lot but I was blessed in many ways, too.
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It is impossible to say mercury exposure for a lyme patient is just a crap shoot.
Please read the Rosner book. So very much is explained there. We have a choice over what we put into our bodies. Yes, lyme is a mean and horrible disease but it requires the very highest levels of personal responsibility if we are ever to have a chance.
After reading Rosner and Klinghardt, which is just the tip of a mercury connection for lyme patients, there are other researchers who say that as long as mercury is in the body it's going to be very difficult, if not impossible, to successfully treat spirochetes.
This is no crapshoot. With clear and distinctive action, success is possible. Without that - not a chance. But, that's no crap shoot. It's all about taking responsibility, doing the homework, and remembering that our decisions can have life-long effects. It's best when those are in our favor.
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Keebler, you are 100% correct. A lyme patient will never get well if they have mercury in there system and don't chelate it out.
I had all my amalgams removed and chelated out my heavy metals a while back.
It's all well documented how important it is to remove these toxins from the system. Too bad, not all LLMDs understand this.
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