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Thank you for this post very informative I am itching to get a new tatt but was going to wait a little while to do it.
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kreynolds
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Abxnomore:
Are you 100% positive that a Lyme patient will NEVER get well if mercury is in there system??
Or is that just an educated guess??? What if all the literature out there is false, but we are made to believe it???
Yes, obviously with a disease like this we want to rid our bodies of harmful metals, toxins, etc...
But to say that if one has mercury in there system they will NEVER get better seems a little farfetched.....
Like I said before... I must have injected car ink into my skin 8 times then....
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Some people get the mercury fillings removed & get worse. It happened to one of my doctors who had Lyme. No one asked for mercury in their heads. We just got it & now we have to deal with it.
I think my parents had mercury fillings, too. I read it can be passed down from generations. I can't really do anything about it now except try to have them removed which is expensive. I'll still have the residue in my body.
I think if you research the inks, you may be able to find some that are not too toxic. It probably depends on the color.
My point in bringing up about the Native Americans & pathogens like small pox is that the Europeans developed immunities because they lived in, probably, what we would consider unsanitary conditions with their animals.
This is why they developed resistance to infections that killed off many Native American people. I studied a bit of anthropology, too.
Many of our current mythologies come from comic book characters who are exposed to toxic things and become super heros or villains. Sometimes they say what doesn't kill you can make you strong.
Even in Buddhism, they say to transform the toxic emotions into something pure. It may help to think of that rather than being fearful of everything in our environment.
(I grew up in NYC, too. I know what you mean.)
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quote:Originally posted by Abxnomore: Keebler, you are 100% correct. A lyme patient will never get well if they have mercury in there system and don't chelate it out.
I had all my amalgams removed and chelated out my heavy metals a while back.
It's all well documented how important it is to remove these toxins from the system. Too bad, not all LLMDs understand this.
This is what I am talking about -- to say "will never get well" is stretching the evidence. "It's all well documented" makes the thinker in me want to know where it is well-documented and what the other side has to say about it.
Maybe not all LLMDs understand this because they are reading the other literature that shows it may not be the case...
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Keebler
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To learn more, it's best to start with reading the sources referenced above (Rosner, Klinghardt). From there, there are other sources.
You could also study (separately from lyme) mercury itself and the effects on a brain and liver. It is very complex but also very interesting. If there is a university near you, perhaps one of the professors in the science departments would love to meet with you in person for about 15 minutes.
After doing some basic study, I always learned so much more by talking with the experts. Although I used to interview them for my job, I always found most professors / researchers thrilled to take a little time to explain their work. Most universities have a public affairs department with someone to guide you.
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LLMD's I"ve seen in general understand the metal issue. Except, some don't realize how the metals can go undetected. Some believe, if it does not show up in the test, you don't have any metals...hurray! WRONG.
It's easy to prove to your LLMD...just start chelatinig...then take the diagnostics test...then it will all come out!!! No denying the test then. IT is dangerous to do without the proper Dr. who understands how to do this safely. So I don't recommend chelating to prove a point with a LLMD who hasn't taken the time to investigate.
My LLMD attends regular seminars on the latest treatments and research, and is obsessed with helping her patients. She gets it! I consider her on the cutting edge. I have done my research too!
My LLMD tested me for heavy metals with Diagnostics Labs., I was negetive. She will not treat any negetive results.
This LLMD recognizes that not all tests pick up the metals immediately. Especially if they are being held in place and not in movement.
It's the peeling the onion skin thing....new problems finally show up after other things are treated. But the more hard to remove things we add in layers to the onion, the longer it will take to discover what is learking beneath!
You must be a proactive patient to discover your best way toward health! I don't know one lymie that has ever improved much with just following a cookie cutter approach.
I recently began seeing a ND who tested me for heavy metals energetically. This was a new thng for me...and I wasn't sure if I believed in this or understood it at the time but felt drawn to find out more. I knew I had a problem to uncover.
Metals were found in my gums and pockets around the teeth. I did this so I could begin a natural treatment that can only be done if there are no metals in my body.
After starting a conservative protocol to release and purge those metals, I had my LLMD re-run the diagnostics labs metal test...and now that is very positive. Double confirmation! My LLMD sees the metals on paper. My ND finds my body responds positively to the metals. Two different approaches.
I find both types of doctors help me to coordinate my best healing regime. The ND specializes in detox, and ART muscle testing and my LLMD in diagnosing the pathogens with traditional treatments. They both are concerned with enviromnental toxins, allergies and metals. I find that they each confirm my direction for treatment! It's so helpful! I do not need to see them often.
We all know how imperfect the testing is... Those LLMD's and patients that just go by other peoples findings and literature and not from their own personal experience, and results with their own patients, are not ones I would follow.
I follow those who have success with their patients, and listen only to those lymies and those posting here who are having improvements, who can follow protocols and know when their treatments are and are not working. Those that are willing to adjust, have no personal pride in being right, and love to share their first hand knowledge to help others.
And I will never blindly follow any one here either....neither should you.
But after a year of traditinal antibiotic treatment for Lyme and co, I knew I had some improvement, a diagnosis, and was on the path to healing, but was feeling worse! I just felt toxic. I trusted my instincts, and began to speak to others on this site, and have met many others in support groups that confirmed my suspicions of basic pathogen die off, candida and heavy metals.
One door opened another, and I eventually started to work on detoxing the metals, biofilms and candida problems. I actually feel like I am 95% better. All my energy is back. Brain Fog has lifted. And I am finally sleeping with no supplements. I know I can relapse at any time. So I am happy to feel good today!
I am taking a few supplements like amino acids in powder /liquid form along with green juice. As I am now working also on gut and malabsorption problems.
I am dealing with emotional and deep hurts on the spiritual level. And am feeling anxiety free at the moment. This is amazing.
The reason I add this info to this topic, is to say that we are not just dealing with lyme disease. People always post that on lymenet...now I am a believer as I experience it.
I still have lyme disease and most likely will the rest of my life. But right now it is under control with dealing with the other issues of metals, candida, gut and emotions.
I am also planning on doing the bionic 880, to further push the lyme and co. away from doing harm. I also have lupus so the lyme makes that a very real problem. So to do all this, metals must be addressed. I cannot stress that enough.
We are lucky to have some of those people with great experience and success posting on this topic. My advice is to listen, research and reflect. Ask questions and be open to change. You too will get better than you are today.
You also need to focus on healing...not on adding more layers to your onion.
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lymeparfait -- Good informative post.
To begin with, if you don't take a provoked urine test for heavy metals with a chelating agent, usually DMSA, chances are you won't get a positive result.
I just want to say that I agree with you totally. That is how I have approached my illness and have made incredible progress. I have left no stone unturned. I have always seen an alternative M.D. well versed in all of these issues. Candida is equally important. It's not just a matter of taking diflucan or acidophilus but healing your GI track, after you get rid of the yeast.
Emotional issues will also delay ones progress. I mentioned the writings of Peter A. Levine already.
For those who want to learn using the search mechanism on this site will turn up tons of information. Searching the rest of the web will turn up even more.
Sparkle people who chelate and get sick usually are not doing it correctly and under the guidance of a knowledgeable practitioner. To begin with you have to have your phase 1 and 2 of liver
detoxification checked to make sure your body can clear the toxins that are being mobilized. Many people have genetic enzyme deficiencies and cannot clear the toxins, so they build up in the
body, rather than being cleared out of the body so you bet they feel sick. There are ways of correcting this, if you are working with a practitioner who knows what he/she is doing.
You need to have a kidney clearance test at least a week into IV chelation therapy to make sure your kidneys are functioning adequately as well. If your system if not up to par, you won't be able to clear the toxins from your system.
Just as with Lyme, there are many differences of opinion as to what is the best method to clear heavy metals from the body. Again, it's not a one size fits all procedure. There are many different chelating agents, DMPS, EDTA, DMSA and
others. What is fundamental is that you need to work with someone who is an EXPERT in the field. If not, you can end up making yourself seriously ill by mobilizing the metals in your
system but not moving them out of it. Supplements that aid in this process are important, Chlorella, Cilantro, Garlic, High doses of Vitimen C, especially NAC and ALA. NAC and ALA must be used together.
Keebler your contributions have been great too.
As for myself, this post is exhausting me. It's become a good informational thread. That's good.
But I feel like we are repeating the same thing.
And I will repeat that with out getting rid of your heavy metals and addressing candida in a "real" way, one will not be able to get a foothold on the lyme and co's.
WHO SAYS, most of the EXPERTS and the experiences of many right here on lymenet. Look and you shall find.
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If the post is exhausting you and feels repetitive then why post????
I have to agree with emh2l about this subject...
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Keebler
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A question was asked. An answer - a presentation of the data - was requested. But, somehow, the transmission lines seem to be loaded with static. It is as if a tennis racquet keeps bouncing data back with a note saying "we really did not want to know."
There is the hope that additional postings, such as the one from doctors at the University of Calgary, might actually serve to educate the public as to the risks of mercury in our bodies, etc.
It's about preventing potentially permanent damage that does not have to occur.
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