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quote:Originally posted by seekhelp: It seems like so much speculation in this thread. I'm not saying parasites aren't very real. Just a lot of maybe this, maybe that. I guess I'm a black and white kind of guy.
I may try Humaworm one more time some month. Didn't do squat for me the first time, but you never know.
Send me your address, I'll show you it's not speculation. :-D
I'll check out the link Sparkle. Thanks.
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quote:Originally posted by sparkle7: Might be mucoid plaque, six. (?)
No, no, this was clear. Ewww, that sounds soooo gross! LOL! Maybe related though? idk
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Leelee,
To answer your question, I feel 80-90% better since treating for parasites. It saved my life,
Gael
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: Leelee,
To answer your question, I feel 80-90% better since treating for parasites. It saved my life,
Gael
Thank you, glm. I will speak to my LLMD about this as I really think it may be a problem for me.
I am glad you are better. Your positive recovery gives me inspiration too.
You may have mentioned this earlier, I am sorry I can't remember. How far along in Lyme treatment were you before addressing the parasites and were you tested for them prior to treatment?
Thank you!
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Hi Gael & Six,
I hope these lines find you on the way to good health.
Thanks so much for your wisdom, I will give the humaworm a rest.
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TO LIFE,
They have what is called in between herbs that you can take...liver and kidney herbs etc. Just ask them if you don't see it listed,
Gael
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Leelee,
I was dx in 1999 by LLMD. It was not until 2005 that I was aware of the parasite/worm connection. That's when I started to treat them. I was tested many times including stool tests. Nothing showed up.
From an e-mail I just received from Lymedocs, even when testing the worm itself it did not show a positive test. A number of LLMDs that follow Dr. K. use ART testing because the tests for Ova & Parasites are so unreliable.
Maybe ask your doctor if he is familiar with Dr. K. You might have to educate your doctor on this subject. If he is not open to the parasite/worm connection,
I would find someone who is. A Naturopathic Doctor might be a good avenue for you to pursue. Hope this clarifys,
Gael
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No, Seek, I'm not taking pictures, if you want a worm, I'm sending you one.
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Thank you glm. Your reply was very helpful. If you don't mind another question....how does one go about finding a naturopathic doctor?
I like my LLMD and I haven't really discussed parasites or yeast with him other than to request stool tests. But, I might want to see an ND too.
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Leelee,
Post under seeking a doctor for your area. You can also try searching on the internet for NDs in your area. Then ask for references. You can also call your local health food store, they might know someone reputable
Gael
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If anyone is interested This is a parasite cleanse I have been trying out and it is quite potent
ATRIUM Parasit X 90C DETAILS: INGREDIENTS: SERVING SIZ: 2 caps/SERVINGS PER CONTAINER: 45 AMOUNT PER SERVING: Black Walnut Hulls(Juglans Nigra).......200 mg Cloves(Syzgium Armaticum)...............150 mg Pumpkin Seed(Cucurbita Pepo)............150 mg Wormwood(Artemisia Absinthium)...........50 mg Grapefruit Seed Extract.................100 mg Pau D'Arco(Tabecuia Impetiginosa).......100 mg Butternut Root Bark(Juglans Cinerea).....50 mg Slippery Elm(Ulmus Fulva)................50 mg Senna(Cassia Augustifolia)...............50 mg Cascara Sagrada Bark(Rhamnus Purshianus).50 mg Garlic(Allium Sativum)...................25 mg Wood Betony(Betonica Officinalis)........25 mg Papain(Papaya)..........................100 mg Bromelain(Pineapple)....................100 mg Gelatin cap, Rice Powder, Magnesium Stearate. DV not established. RECOMMENDED USAGE: Take 2 capsules three times daily with 8 oz. of water or as otherwise directed by your health care professional. For routine semi-annual parasite prevention, take 2 capsules three times daily for 15 days. For active parasite cleansing, take 2 capsules three times daily for 15 days. Wait 7 days, then repeat the 15 day cleansing program. NOTE: Consult your health care professional before consuming this product, if you are pregnant or nursing.
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Here is Humaworm ingredients I just thought it would be good to post these ingredients for people to view
TOTAL 2,950 mg per daily serving. Dosage is 2 capsules in the morning and 2 more capsules 12 hours later. EXAMPLE: Take 2 capsules at 7am then 2 more at 7pm. Take your HUMAWORM at least 30 minutes before meals - this will ensure that the parasites will get a good belly full of parasite killing herbs instead of your good nutrition!
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Hi Spring,
I would like to give it a go. Could you please share the link? Hugs
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And back to this worm thing. I'm very curious if anyone besides me had any allergic reactions to any of these parasite concoctions.
Itried Huma and got hives all over my legs. I was bound and determined to finish the round, then I started getting a little respritory problem. Only made it 11 days.
From an experience several yrs ago, I suspected I may have an allergy to pau d'arco. Have LLMD appoint soon, and will discuss with him trying it without it.
Just curious if anyone else has had a problem, or if I'm just the oddball.
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Humaworm will leave out any ingredient you're allergic to.
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I find when I do any strong herbs, I get some skin reactions. I have gotten small hives that come and go and cuts on my hands.(these are parasites pushing through the skin.)
I didn't have any respiratory problems. You might have lung worms and they are being purged. You might want to call the people at hymaworm and see what they have to say.
Cetainly if you think it's an allergic reaction to one of the ingredients they can adjust like six suggested.
Gael
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Spring showers,
Thanks for jumping in and posting all that helpful and informative info.
Gael
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Thanks so much Spring.
I have made progress with humaworm.
Gael, has hit the nail on the head with parsites being involved.
I bought a cheap zapper I hope that will help as well.
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gael heard back from ILADS HQ and doesn't know how to copy/paste so asked my assistance in doing so; so here goes:
1st reply ... breaking them up as normal for neuros!
Filial Worms **************
I find a lot of parasites, including filarial worms, in my practice using ART (Dietrich Klinghardt's form of muscle-testing).
For the most part, there are no commercially-available tests to confirm or deny the presence of these organisms; and the standard "stool O&P" is inconvenient and insensitive even for finding organisms that are in the gut.
I usually treat these people with 6 weeks of 'Para-A,' a botanical extract, followed by three days of Stromectol (ivermectin).
The text books call for just a single dose of ivermectin but I find this to be consistently inadequate - patients come back still with symptoms and still muscle-testing for the same parasites.
I'm not sure if the worms are coming from the tick bites since I'm usually able to at least illicit a history of travel to a tropical destination where the bugs are endemic.
I do feel that parasites and viruses are a big part of why some Lyme patients don't get better; it seems that the immune system simply cannot fight a war on two fronts if one of those fronts is intracellular bacteria.
As much as I hate the way that treating the results of a muscle test - instead of a lab test - puts me further out on the proverbial liumb, I've had enough successes to conclude that I need to place successful treatment ahead of "guidelines."
Lyme docs know better than anyone how dangerous it can be to make a "clinical" diagnosis in the age of lab tests that are often less sensitive than they are thought to be.
In the case of many parasites, however, there simply are no tests available and muscle-testing is just too big a leap for most LD's, who are already feeling exposed.
Hope this helps.....Dr ...... -----------------------------------------
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There are some of us who DO address this issue - Clinically O&P's come back negative usually (and I've even seen that happen with collection jars with VISIBLE worms).
There are a number of other docs who address this issue too. I initially learned about the connection from Dietrich Klinghardt MD.
I will tell you that when treated - my/our patients often DO see dead parasites in their stools.
You may pass this on to the patient who emailed you.
YES - I will tell you that the patients who we suspect may also be dealing with filarial parasites and we treat - they typically respond to overall treatment of TBI's better and in less time as well.
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Dr. Kilani at Clongen Lab has found a lot of unusual organisms in blood smears. I have been working with him a lot on this.
Some of the organisms look like Toxoplasmosis and others look like possible microfilaria.
He has done a lot of work trying to sequence some organisms- especially unknown bacteria, but needs University level research help.
thanks gael for sharing that they too see a direct connection as stated by no. 2 dr. above! hugs...
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Gael -Thanks for getting all that information. That is great information and very important too!.. Thats great that you went ahead ands started direct correspondence and that they took the time to answer you. I am impressed.
To Life - I ordered the zapper CD and information and was thinking about buying one but have not. How is that working out for you?
My doctor agreed that he has heard of many doctors who have had more success in the overall treatment of a patient with Tick Borne illnesses when they treat with anti parasite herbal formulas along with everything else. I find this helpful and hopeful and continue to consider the various treatments to help with the parasite cleansing and killing.
Including these herbal formulas, artemisinin, salt c, and anti protozoan medications, zappers and others that might help in the fight, or should I say battle. Man your stations everyone!@ : )
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Hi Spring,
I just recieved the zapper and have had to move in the last couple days.
Like you, I 100 percent believe in taking several approaches to address this horror.
I have also bought this cheap tent sauna type thing, I am hopeing it will help with detoxing these bugs.
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Thanks Life
Keep us informed after you are able to use it for awhile.
Yep.. I agree.. Several approaches at once has to happen.
What is this tent sauna type thing? I would be interested in hearing about what that is too?
: )
THANKS
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Betty,
Thank You so much for posting the responses for me and breaking up the long e-mail.
You are always such a trooper for everyone here and so helpful to us all.
Gael
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FYI - from the Humaworm site...
The Symptoms of Parasite Infections
STOMACH & INTESTINAL COMPLICATIONS - The sheer number of parasites in the lower digestive system and the toxic waste produced by them can cause these problems:
Diarrhea
Chronic Constipation
Gas & Bloating
Digestive Problems
Excessive Early Bowel Movements (very explosive bowel movements very soon after eating)
Abdominal Pain
Mucus in the Stools
Leaky Gut
Nausea
Hemorrhoids
Burning in the Stomach
Bloody Stools
FATIGUE - The toxic metabolic waste overloads and overworks the organs of elimination and taxes the central nervous system causing:
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Low Energy
Lethargy
Excessive Weakness
SKIN DISORDERS & ALLERGIES - Parasites that penetrate the skin cause itching. When tissue becomes inflamed from these parasites, the body's white blood cells increase to defend the body. This reaction causes skin rashes and food allergies to appear. Parasites also create toxins and the skin, being the largest organ, tries to remove these toxins which causes many skin problems. Symptoms include:
Dry Skin
Dry Hair
Brittle Hair
Hair Loss
Allergies
Itchy Nose
Itchy Anus
Itchy Skin
Hives
Allergic Reactions to Food
Crawling Sensation Under the Skin
Rashes
Weeping Eczema
Cutaneous Ulcers
Papular Lesions
Swelling
Sores
MOOD & ANXIETY PROBLEMS - Once again, it's the toxic metabolic waste produced by the parasites that attack the central nervous system causing:
Mood Swings
Nervousness
Depression
Forgetfulness
Unclear Thinking
Restlessness
Anxiety
Slow Reflexes
SLEEP DISTURBANCES - The physical presence of the parasites themselves are a nuisance to the human body. The body reacts to them during periods of rest, this in turn produces:
Insomnia
Teeth Grinding During Sleep
Bed Wetting
Drooling While Asleep
Disturbed Sleep - Multiple Awakenings
WEIGHT & APPETITE PROBLEMS - Parasites live undetected by their hosts. They rob the body of all essential nutrients (they get the choicest nutrition from the food you eat) and you are left with the fats, sugars, etc. Many overweight persons are infested with parasites, they stay hungry which leads to overeating because of the parasites. Depending on the type of parasite infestation, many people are malnourished, they can't gain weight, again, because of the parasites. This is why parasites cause:
Weight Gain
Long-Standing Obesity
Loss of Appetite OR
Uncontrollable Hunger Eating More Than Normal BUT Still Feeling Hungry
Inability to Gain or Lose Weight
MUSCLE & JOINT COMPLAINTS - Parasites can travel to almost all soft tissue including in the joints and muscles where they cause cysts and inflammation that is commonly mistaken as arthritis and muscle pain. The toxins from parasites can also pool in the joints and in muscle tissue causing:
Muscle Pain
Joint Pain
Muscle Cramping
Numbness of the Hands and/or Feet
Heart Pain
Pain in The Navel
Pain in the Back, Thighs or Shoulders
Arthritic Pains
Fast Heartbeat
BLOOD DISORDERS - The parasites get the good vitamins, including iron, leading to:
Hypoglycemia
Anemia
SEXUAL & REPRODUCTIVE PROBLEMS - With a weakened immune system caused by parasites and their waste you also can experience:
Male Impotence
Erectile Dysfunction
PMS
Candida - Yeast Infections
Urinary Tract Infections
Cysts & Fibroids
Menstrual Problems
Prostate Problems
Water Retention
OTHER SYMPTOMS - More health problems caused by parasites:
Excessive Saliva
Unclear Vision
Bad Breath
Poor Immune Response
Fever
Respiratory Problems
Peritonitis
Chronic Viral or Bacterial Symptoms
Body Odor
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No - I do not sell any medical products or things related to Lyme!
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Sparkle,
Thanks again for posting these parasite symptoms. Interesting that many times I see people posting a lot of these symptoms, but still ignore the possible cause. I hope by seeing them here directly folks will become more aware of this very serious problem,
Gael
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sparkle, yes, thank you; i saw myself over and over when reading down thru this.
do you need a dr. to prescribe or do we buy OTC? *******************************************************
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Whatever you feel comfortable with, betty. I got a black walnut hull combination at the vitamin store just to get started. I tried the tincture & the pills of the herbs. I think the pills are actually stronger than the tincture.
I'm going to get the Humaworm herbs, eventually. They have lots of great products on their website related to cleansing & Lyme, etc. I may get the Hulda Clark protocol & maybe rotate them... MMS may be good to try but I haven't done it yet. It can be very strong - so you have to go slow.
When I realized what was going on, I wanted to get started right away. The herbs are making me herx a bit. I'm also kind of fatigued. I read that the drugs aren't always 100% so, it's the same as with the herbs. The herbs may actually be more effective. I tend to do better with herbs - in any case.
You may have to repeat the protocol with herbs or drugs several times. It's not fun but what can you do...? I noticed that you have to mop up, too - just like with killing Lyme. I've been taking psylium, charcoal & clay on & off.
I've been seeing some dead flukes. They are coming from my liver. They are pretty large to be in my liver. My lower back has been hurting - I believe it may be my liver healing. They make holes in your liver (I read) - so it has to heal when they are expelled.
You just have to keep going forward... There are other parasite that I may not be seeing. It's just good practice to try to kill anything off. The black walnut hulls, wormwood & cloves are supposed to be very effective.
I've been to so many doctors - not 1 has mentioned any of this!
Good luck!
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Sparkle
Thank you for putting up such great information. Also it sounds like you are well on your way to getting rid of the bugs.
What I find is that many people think of parasites as one thing and something in your gut that are big icky worms. Well this is true but there are also many eggs and parasites that are tiny and can be in your blood and tissues just like a bacterial infection.
The thing is that you need to treat no matter what and in some way for parasites.
Babesia is one of them. Malaria is one. Toxoplasmosis is another and the mystery bug that labs keep talking about is said to be one too.
That should be enough for people to really consider doing treatments and cleansing the whole body.
I find that diet is a big factor too in the ability to cleanse all the infections was have. As well in how I feel. I think they just Love sugars. But who and what doesn't?
Good luck and keep us informed on how you progress. My doc has mentioned parasites and has acknowledged that it is best to treat parasites and it can expedite the healing process of the other infections in your body too!
I hope the herxing is not too hard one you. Give yourself a break if you have to. MY goal is to be able to do a good two weeks or more of an herbal formula without a herx. I want to feel like I made some progress and I hope to be able to do a treatment and not feel so crappy. We will see
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Thanks Spring,
Also keep in mind that we have to keep rotating the herbs so that the parasites don't get used to them. That is why the people at humaworm suggest doing the humaworm every 90 days.
Monastery of Herbs also has some excellent Chinese and South American herbs that target these pathogens. I have taken them in the past and they saved my life. You need a doctor to order these. Spring also suggested some good herbs.
There are also in between herbs that AliP said really killed of a lot of stuff.
Betty,
check with your doctor about any possible interactions with the herbs and your meds. You can order these herbs direct from humaworm.
Remember also that these parasites and worms have and are laying eggs and larva daily. There is a lot of informative reading on the
The symptoms for parasites just explains so much to me as to what is really going on. I think getting rid of the larger ones allows the smaller ones to be killed more easily.
Good Luck with this everybody!
Gael
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Good question. Simply the answer is yes and no. Generally speaking the term parasite is used for larger organisms that can be seen with the naked eye.
However, under a zoological definition of symbiotic relationships (parasitism vs commensalism vs mutualistism), many micro organisms can be considered parasitic in that they need a host to survive and in doing so cause it harm.
However, many bacteria also can fall into the other two categories since they may use a host without harming it, or they may actually help it!
From Mims medical microbiology 3e:
There is an important distinction between micro- and macroparasites that overrides their differences in size.
Microparasites (viruses, bacteria, protozoa, fungi) replicate within the host and can, theoretically, multiply to produce a very large number of progeny, thereby causing an overwhelming infection.
In contrast, macroparasites (worms, arthropods), even those that are microscopic, do not have this ability:
one infectious stage matures into one reproducing stage, and the resulting progeny leave the host to continue the cycle.
The level of infection is therefore determined by the numbers of organisms that enter the body. This distinction between micro- and macroparasites has important clinical and epidemiologic implications.
Of course the boundary between micro- and macroparasites is not always clear. The progeny of some macroparasites do remain within the host, and infections can lead to the build-up of overwhelming numbers, particularly in immune-suppressed patients.
The roundworms Trichinella, Strongyloides stercoralis and some filarial nematodes, and Sarcoptes scabiei (the itch mite), are examples of this type of parasite.
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Also - check this out - About Toxoplasmosis - the cat bacteria.
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Tried reading all the info on parasites/worms. I believe itand find it very interesting.
Because of the neuro stuff am unable to read all the posts.
Can someone pm me and give me some basic info and web site to read and maybe order what i need.
2 years ago my llmd gave me a 3 day dose of Ivermectin. I think the parasite thing was still in the infancy stage. Had massive explosive stools. Didn't look. She is now talking abut starting a longer treatment protocol re: parasites. after reading as much as I could, it seems she was on the right track years ago. Interesting!
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leo,
Sent you a pm
Gael
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Kreynolds and Rambler are having some of these symptoms. I am bringing this up again so they can study this thread and take appropriate steps,
Gael
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Hi Gael,
How are you doing on the humaworm? I found it really packed a punch at me at times.
I made good progress on it though, on my journey to recovery.
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quote:Originally posted by TO LIFE: Hi Gael,
How are you doing on the humaworm? I found it really packed a punch at me at times.
I made good progress on it though, on my journey to recovery.
Love
Gael - I'd like to know how you're doing as well. I just posted a couple of questions re: Humaworm and will be starting it shortly.
Wishing us all the best of luck and to be worm-free.
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Hi Everyone,
I am doing really good with it. Had some profuse sweating and some chills. I am two weeks into it. I haven't seen anything big in the toilet yet, but it definitely is doing something because my head is clearer.
Several yrs back I found some huge critters in the toilet. Same ones as lymephotos. So, I am not sure what else is in my G I track although I do feel some squirming in my side. (YUK!)
You have to remember I have been purging these parasites/worms for 3yrs, so your experience may be quite different.
I am still continuing the salt/c and plan on doing the humaworm in between herbs. I believe you just have to keep going and knocking these suckers out with persistence.
Don't forget they have had a chance to lay larva and eggs and you have to make sure you get everything or the cycle will start all over again.
I have Bells palsy of the gut and it felt like things were stagnating, that's why I added the humaworm although I was seeing small dieoff daily with just salt/c alone. Wishing everyone speedy healing,
Gael
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Gael - Thanks for posting so quickly.
Question: Are you on continuous doses of Humaworm, or are you taking the 90 day break, or what? Seems like the critters might reinfect in 90 days, unless the person is already pretty well already cleared out.
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Go to the www.humaworm.com page and look on the left hand side and click on our other cleansers.
I just noticed these myself. These are the in between herbs including some for Lyme and syphillis. A lot of these herbs sound really good as some contain antiparasitics such as black walnut and cloves.
You need to study their program. This is my first time doing humaworm, but I plan on doing their other herbs as well as continuing on the salt/c.
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you can order a personilized treatment for only maintanance from them to be on it for 90 days without letting them a chance to recover or hatch until you jump again in 90 days.
I have done over 3 rounds of them ...that was 2 years ago ...eve nfor my kids ..This was since in 2006 and alter.Before I used Dr NATURA since 2005 . They are excellent people have been with them on the phone for hrs many times...they create everything as you need ..just let them know what you have and they will cut fresh and prepare the capsules for you and NO , I do not sell any of their product and get no commision from WHAT I am promoting here.
They are the cheapest around here.
AND YES PARASITES are a HUGE problem..TOO BAD THAT no doctor wants to hear that and help the patient.A LIVER full of flukes...CAN NEVER LET any patient with LYME and coinfecions to RECOVER ever or handle any antibiotics treatment.THEY ARE A HUGE problmem and CAN NOT BE IGNORED!!!!
Your BODY and the BRAIN will thank you for taking care and getting rid of them !!
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I have been using some herb capsules I got at the vitamin store. They are black walnut hulls, clove & wormwood.
I have been seeing what looks like flukes & fluke parts in the toilet. It is kind of hard to tell since I don't seem to have classic "worms" that are very identifiable. (Sorry about the "too much info" factor.)
I also have been seeing some small gallstones. I am also taking bile salts to increase bile production in order to cleanse my liver. It must be working since I'm seeing some small bile (gall) stones like during a liver flush.
I was taking some liver herbs but I stopped. I'm just taking the parasite herbs now. My liver feels kind of sore. I think it must be my liver - not my lower back but it's hard to tell.
I have also been feeling quite tired. Sometimes the pain increases in my back & shoulders. I'll probably take a break in a week or so. I'd like to order the herbs from Humaworm for the next round.
I've also been taking some psylium, charcoal, zeolites, clay for absorbing toxins. I've been alternating them.
I haven't seen any other identifiable parasites. It doesn't mean they aren't there. Some can be microscopic. Hopefully, these herbs (especially the black walnut hulls) will do the trick.
In my experience, the straight herbs seem to be stronger than the tinctures for this purpose.
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Also - FYI - It seems that my body is expelling the flukes at a different time than the digested foods.
About a 1/2 dozen or a bit more seem to be expelled at a different time than regular bowel movements. Some are coming out at the regular bowel movement, as well. Just an observation...
It may be different since these guys live in the liver. I think the worm types live in the intestines. Good to see them go! Yuck.
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone actually taken what they think are flukes, worms etc.. their stool after these cleanses to a standard hospital or laboratory? Have a parasitologist look at it perchance?
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Yes,
I used to find that to be true. Also I used to expel hundreds of eggs when I used a lot of cloves in my coffee. I don't drink it anymore. I miss it along with my cigarettes. BTW, tobacco is an old home remedy for worms. Not suggesting anyone smoke. Important to kill the eggs.
FYI, usually where there are flukes there are worms. They seem to go together. This disease is absolutely disgusting. Too bad that doctors don't have a clue. After all the research I did over the yrs,
I can't believe I didn't have a clue either. I think it's because I was so focused on just spirochetes. It wasn't until I found the lymephotos site on lymenet did I realize what was happening. It has taken the best yrs of my life. I am sure a lot of you can relate.
Gael
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Blackstone- If you send me the money I will. Are you doubting that I'm able to see a fluke floating on top of the water in the toilet bowl properly?
There are photos of them on the internet... It's not that difficult to look at a photo & look at what's in the toilet & see that they look alike.
BTW - I studied art. I'm pretty good at looking at pictures & identifying things.
If you would like to pay for an analysis - I'd be happy to supply you with materials. I can also send you photos if you'd like to take a look at them, yourself...
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Blackstone,
If you check my post about the response I received fro Lymedocs, you will see a message that states even with a jar full of worms the lab wasn't always able to identify them.
Haven't you gotten the idea yet from all the negative tests lyme patients get back from these "Labs" that they aren't really all the efficient?
Check out the images at www.curezone.com and you will get an eyefull.
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Thank you for your time. I was actually planning to do one of these cleanses myself and send my results to local labs and friends in the physician community to see what comes up. I'll have to see what the cost is - even if I can get some time with a parasitologist and do most of the work myself, I'll still have to pay the lab and whatnot for use of their time, materials, assistants etc.. kinda non-negotiable.
I believe that people are seeing something that looks like what other people have posted onto the internet. What exactly these things are, I'm not entirely convinced.
When I hear about flukes, common tapeworms, roundworms etc.. these are very easy to identify organisms. I find it nigh impossible to believe, that if you have something big enough to see with the naked eye, that someone can't identify it. These aren't arcane things people are describing - nematodes, flukes and the like should be easily distinguished.
Even if for some reason they can't identify the exact species of the worm, they should be able to say its definitely a worm, some other sort of parasite etc... You can even identify the genotype with a relatively little work.
I'd be happy to look at your pictures, Sparkle. You could try a photo hosting service, or zip them up and upload them to rapidshare?
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They can "say" it's definitely a worm.
Here is a quote from one of the e-mails I received from Lymedocs.
"Clinically O&P (ova & parasites)came back negative usually (and I've even seen that happen with collection jars with VISIBLE worms)"
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Trust me, 7 ft. of tapeworm is simple to identify without fishing it out. However, I wouldn't trust a lab test as much as my naked eye. I will look forward to hearing about your lab analysis.
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