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Blackstone- I can send you some photos. I actually passed quite a few more this evening. I'll single some out & take pictures next time I pass them. I can put them in a jar.
I do have some photos but I have to format them so I can e-mail them to you. I posted some on the Curezone Humaworm message board under the name of "mostlysunny7".
If you pm me your e-mail, I'll send you the pix.
It seems that there are different stages in the life of the flukes & they look different at each stage. Some look kind of like black leeches about an inch long, others look kind of like large furry sperm with a tail. Some look like pieces of tomato (only I didn't eat any tomatoes)... Yes... it's gross.
I think there are other stages but I would have to look them up on a chart. I'm sure I've passed these, too. I just see some of these & I know the herbs must be working. I don't really get into it all that much like studying wildlife or something...LOL
I'm very glad to be getting rid of them & the gallstones! I read that flukes can cause liver cancer.
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glm1111 - Is there any more to that quote? Is there a reason why? If the lymedoc in question says "Look at that thing there and tell me what it is", does the lab just refuse or something?
Parasitologists usually identify via visible inspection first as well, and anything that's surely a worm would be easy to see. Anything questionable should be tested beyond visible inspection as well.
I must be missing something. Why do they come back negative?
Sparkle7- Seems your PM box is full!
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Blackstone,
I brought the Lymedocs post back up to the top so you can read the responses in their entirety.
I think the lab just sends the test results back and if they can't identify the worm thru DNA they just mark it as negative. Pretty lame if you ask me.
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Has anyone got very nauseous and sick to the stomach to the point of throwing up
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Blackstone - sorry, there should be space in there now.
springshowers - I did get kind of nauseous. It may be a reaction to the herbs or toxins released when something is killed. I have been taking binders like charcoal, psylium, zeolites, & clay (not all together). Mint or ginger tea is also helpful.
It's my impression that if many doctors (& labs) know almost nothing about Lyme & co-infections, supplements, nutrition, etc., why would they know anything about parasites? It seems to be another area of denial...
After 9 years of mis-diagnosis, I don't have much faith left in these labs or most doctors.
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Springshowers, I seldome actually throw up, but I haven't gotten nauseous. Nothing significant though.
Sparkle, I had the tomato looking things when I did the Hulda Clark liver cleanse. I don't like tomatoes, so I know I hadn't eaten them.
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Hi Spring,
I have gotten really ill, with vomiting a couple times a month.
It is usually first thing in the morning, when it happens.
This is just a thought, but with me I think it's the larva stage. I have noticed my seliva is thick when it happens.
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I was just doing some research.... This is what happens due to parasite die-off (from using a drug called Praziquantel). I'm sure it also happens from using anti-parasite herbs...
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The majority of side-effects develop due to the release of the contents of the parasites as they are killed and the consequent host immune reaction.
The heavier the parasite burden, the heavier and more frequent the side effects normally are.
Central nervous system: Frequently occurring side effects are dizziness, headache, and malaise. Drowsiness, somnolence, fatigue, and vertigo have also been seen.
Almost all patients with cerebral cysticercosis experience CNS side effects related to the cell-death of the parasites (headache, worsening of preexisting neurological problems, seizures, arachnoiditis, and meningism).
These side effects may be life-threatening and can be reduced by coadministration of corticosteroids.
It is strongly recommended that all patients with cerebral cysticercosis are hospitalized during treatment.
GI Tract: Approximately 90% of all patients have abdominal pain or cramps with or without nausea and vomiting. Diarrhea may develop and may be severe with colic.
Sweating, fever, and sometimes bloody stools may occur together with diarrhea.
Liver: Asymptomatic and transient increases of liver enzymes (AST and ALT) are noted frequently (up to 27%). No case of symptomatic liver damage has ever been seen so far.
Sensitivity reactions: Urticaria, rash, pruritus and eosinophilia in White Blood Counts.
Other locations/Body as a whole: Lower back pain, myalgia, arthralgia, fever, sweating, various cardiac arrhythmias, and hypotension.
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Hi Sparkle,
Thanks so much for your post, I really appreciate it.
One unknown side effect of drugs is that they can drive a parasite from one organ to another. This shows a potential danger of drugs that hardly any doctors are aware of.
Imagine if a person takes a drug to eliminate one problem and this drug indirectly drives a parasite from its natural resting place into another organ--such as the liver.
Then the person later comes down with severe liver problems, and no one will ever know what caused the problem in the first place.
Perhaps there must be dozens of similar examples which could apply to other organs as well.
Parasites are often our best friends as they can absorb many of the toxins coming down the GI track. When alternative medicine performs a parasite cleanse, often times the patient gets sick due to many of the toxins being reabsorbed into the body via the liver when the parasite dies.
However, before we adopt them into our bodies, parasites are very toxic since the food source they were living off previously was toxic. When the parasite is in our body, the toxins are released as waste and are very often the cause of symptoms from parasites.
Parasites in the form of worms, bacteria, yeast and viruses have lived with us forever and perform many positive functions in our body.
They live symbiotically with our body, but when our immune system gets out of order we suffer the side effects of the toxins of parasites.
However, we have found that our parasites are often as toxic as we are. A good example was when we discovered after a pharmaceutical was given for thirty days to a patient for a certain type of worm, that the fecal heavy metal test was extremely high when performed at the end of the treatment. The patient had previously been tested via the same lab and shown to have been totally detoxed of heavy metals from his tissues.
One of the reasons Candida was found to overgrow during detox is because mercury was being pulled out of the Candida cell walls, and that allowed the Candida to replicate more freely. The heavy metal was holding things in check!
So, now you see it's clear that we live symbiotically with our parasites and our toxins. When this system gets out of order, we get sick.
Common Symptoms of Parasites in Humans:
Constipation: Some worms, because of their shape and large size, can physically obstruct certain organs. Heavy worm infections can block the common bile duct and the intestinal tract, making elimination infrequent and difficult.
Diarrhea: Certain parasites, primarily protozoa, produce a prostaglandin (hormone-like substances found in various human tissues) which creates a sodium and chloride loss that leads to frequent watery stools. The diarrhea process in parasite infection is, therefore, a function of the parasite, not the body's attempt to rid itself of an infectious organism.
Gas/Bloating: Some parasites live in the upper small intestine where the inflammation they produce causes both gas and bloating. The situation can be magnified when hard-to-digest foods, such as beans and raw fruits and vegetables are eaten. Persistent abdominal distention is a frequent sign of hidden invaders. These gastrointestinal symptoms can persist intermittently for many months, or even years if the parasites are not eliminated from the body.
Irritable Bowel Syndrome: Parasites can irritate, inflame or coal, the intestinal cell wall; leading to a variety of gastrointestinal symptoms and malabsorption of vital nutrients, particularly fatty substances. This malabsorption leads to bulky stools and Steatorrhea (Steatorrhea is the formation of bulky, grey or pale feces). Stools may also float (due to excess gas from carbohydrate malabsorption), have an oily appearance or be foul smelling. There is increased fat excretion, which can be measured by determining the fecal fat level.
While definitions have not been standardized, fat excretion in feces in excess of 0.3 (g/kg) per day is considered indicative of Steatorrhea. Possible causes can be lack of bile acids (due to liver damage or hypolipidemic drugs), defects in pancreatic juices (enzymes) and defective mucosal cells.
Joint/Muscle Aches & Pains: Parasites are known to migrate to encyst (become enclosed in a sac) in joint fluids, and worms can encyst in muscles. Once this happens, pain becomes evident and is often assumed to be caused by arthritis. Joint and muscle pains and inflammation are also the result of tissue damage caused by some parasites of the body's ongoing immune response to their presence.
Anemia: Some varieties of intestinal worms attach themselves to the mucosal lining of the intestines and then leach nutrients from the human host. If they are present in large enough quantities, they can create enough blood loss to cause a type of iron deficiency or pernicious.
Allergy: Parasites can irritate and sometimes perforate the intestinal lining, increasing bowel permeability to large undigested molecules. This can activate the body's immune response to produce increased levels of eosinophils; one type of the body's fighter cells. The eosinophils can inflame body tissue, resulting in an allergic reaction. Like allergy, parasites also trigger an increase in the production of immunoglobulin E (IgE).
Skin Conditions: Intestinal worms can cause hives, rashes, weeping eczema, and other allergic-type skin reactions. Cutaneous ulcers, swellings and sores, popular lesions, and itchy dermatitis can all result from protozoan invasion.
Granulomas: Tumor-like masses that encase destroyed large or parasitic eggs. They develop most often in the colon or rectal walls but can also be found in the lungs, liver, peritoneum, and uterus.
Nervousness: Parasitic metabolic wastes and toxic substances can serve as irritants to the central nervous system. Restlessness and anxiety are often the result of the systemic parasite infestation. After completing a cleansing, many people swear that their persistently grouchy mates or relatives have become a lot more patient and pleasant to be around!
Sleep Disturbances: Multiple awakening during the night (particularly between 2AM and 3AM) are possibly caused by the body's attempts to eliminate toxic wastes via the liver. According to Chinese medicine, these hours are governed by the liver. Sleep disturbances are also caused by nocturnal exits of certain parasites through the anus, creating intense discomfort and itching.
Teeth Grinding: Bruxism (abnormal grinding, clenching and gnashing of the teeth) has been observed in cases of parasitic infection. These symptoms are most noticeable among sleeping children. Bruxism may be a nervous response to the internal foreign irritant.
Chronic Fatigue: Symptoms include tiredness, flu-like complaints, apathy, depression, impaired concentration and faulty memory. Parasites cause these physical, mental, and emotional symptoms through malnutrition resulting from malabsorption of proteins, carbohydrates, fats and vitamins A and B-12.
Immune Dysfunction: Parasites depress immune system functioning by decreasing the secretion of immunoglobulin A (I&A). Their presence continuously stimulates the system response and can exhaust this vital defense system over time; leaving the body open to bacterial and viral infections.
The following conditions might also be tell-tale signs of a parasitic invasion: weight gain, excessive hunger, weight loss, bad taste in the mouth and bad breath, asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, acne, migraines, and even the biggest killers: heart disease and cancer.
Types of Parasites:
An extraordinary variety of viruses, bacteria, and parasites stand ready to attack us and feed off our body's cells. Using microscopes of varying power levels, photographers show us a teeming microbial world that we could barely imagine without their help.
The tiny sizes of microbes can be approximated by using the following rule of thumb:
Viruses These are the smallest of all infectious agents, averaging about 100 nanometers (100 billionths of a meter) in length. They have so few genes and proteins of their own that in order to reproduce they need to commandeer the machinery of the cells they invade.
Bacteria These vary widely in size and shape, but tend to be at least 10 times larger than viruses, or at least 1 micrometer (1 millionth of a meter) long. They are single-cell organisms that reproduce independently.
Single-Cell Parasites These tend to be at least 10 times larger than bacteria, or about .01 millimeter long.
Multi-Cellular Parasites These are so large that they can usually be seen with the naked eye. Tapeworms, for instance, can reach a length of 6 meters (20 feet).
Food and water are the most common sources of parasite transmission. Since most of us eat three times a day and drink water frequently throughout the day, our exposure to these sources is constant.
Tap water has been found to be contaminated with parasitic organisms. Both plant and animal foods carry parasites, and cleaning and cooking methods often do not destroy them before ingestion.
The CDC (Center for Disease Control) cites food as the catalyst behind 80 percent of the pathogenic outbreaks in the U.S. Most are linked to restaurants and delis where less than sanitary conditions exist -- from food preparation and storage to utensils to the server's hands.
Animals, just like humans, can become infected with parasites too. Internally, contaminated water and food can spread the problem to our pets.
Externally, animals become infected by parasites on their bodies, especially on their fur, because of exposure to infected animal wastes. Forgetting to wash your hands even one time after handling or cleaning up after your animal can transmit parasites to you! Pets are a wonderful part of our lives.
They provide comfort, companionship, protection, amusement, and unconditional love for their owners. However, pets, like humans, are often victims of serious infections that can unintentionally be passed on to their owners.
In fact, there is a whole set of diseases classified as 'zoonoses' (animal-transmitted diseases) in parasitology textbooks. Animals are major carriers of parasites, and most physicians, let alone the general public, are unaware of this fact.
Experts have projected that of the 110 million pet dogs and cats in this country, over half may be infected with at least one or more different kinds of parasites.
Considering these numbers, the potential for transmission of parasitic infection from animals to humans is extremely high.
The CDC estimates that the number of parasites present in the U.S. alone numbers in the thousands. These parasites are biochemically complex creatures in their life histories, development, reproductive cycles, nutritional requirements, and disease manifestations.
They are categorized according to their structure, shape, function, and reproductive ability. These include microscopic organisms (protozoa); roundworms, pinworms, and hookworms (nematoda); tapeworms (cestoda); and flukes (trematoda) -- each of which is described below:
Protozoa: Making up approximately 70 percent of all parasites, protozoa are invisible to the naked eye. They are one-celled microscopic organisms, but don't let their size fool you.
Certain protoans, through their intensely rapid reproductive ability, can take over the intestinal tract of their host, and from there they can go on to other organs and tissues.
Some feed on red blood cells while others produce cysts; which are closed sacs that are transported through food and water from one person to another. In a cyst state, protozoans are safe from destruction from the human digestive juices.
These one-celled 'vampires' can actually destroy the tissues of their hosts. According to experts, an estimated 7 million people across the U.S. have some form of protozoa living inside of them.
Nematode: While the protozoans are only single-celled, nematode creatures are multi-cellular. The adult worms multiply by producing eggs called ova or larvae.
The eggs usually become infectious in soil or in an intermediate host before humans are infected. It is interesting to note that unless the worm infection is heavy, many individuals do not show signs of disease.
While it may be unpleasant to consider, it is true that the human host can co-exist quite comfortably with a few worms, unless they reproduce in great numbers and create organ obstruction. Experts claim that 'some type of worm is already in the intestines of over 75 percent of the world's population'.
This is a frightening statement. Common nematode include Roundworm (Ascaris lumbricoides), Hookworm (Necator Americanus, Ancylostoma duodenal), Pinworm (Enterobius vermicularis), Roundworm (Toxocara canis, Toxocara cati), Heart worm (Dirofilaria immitis), Strongyloides (Stronglyoides stercoralis),
Cestoda: Among the oldest known parasites, tapeworms are considered humanity's largest intestinal inhabitant. They each have a scolex (head) that attaches to the intestinal wall.
As long as the head remains attached to the intestinal mucosa, a new worm can grow from it. Tapeworms do not contain digestive tracts but get their nourishment by absorbing partially digested substances from the host.
They are whitish in color, flat, and ribbon-like, with a covering that is a transparent skin-like layer. Common cestoda include: Beef tapeworm (Taenia saginata), Pork tapeworm (Taenia solium), Fish tapeworm (Diphyllobothrium latum), and Dog tapeworm (Dipylidium caninum).
Trematode: Also known as flukes, these are leaf-shaped flatworms. They are parasitic during nearly all of their life-cycle forms. The cycle begins when larvae are released into freshwater by infected snails.
The free-swimming larvae can then directly penetrate the skin of the human host or are ingested after encysting in or on various edible, vegetation, fish or crustaceans. Common trematode include Intestinal fluke (Fasciolopsis buski),
sparkle7
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Thanks for asking, TO LIFE... I feel like crap but at least the flukes & maybe other parasites are leaving.
I think it may take some time to heal. I may have had these things for a long time.
I'm glad I found out about all of this. I can't believe it took me 13 years to discover this.
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Sparkle,
Sorry you are feeling so lousy. Is this the first time you are going after the parasites? Like you, I couldn't believe it took me so long to discover this either.
I had been doing research since I collapsed in 1983 and can't believe that I didn't have this info. I can't believe that the health clinic (run by an ND) that I was staying in for 2 months didn't have a clue.
This is why I keep posting about it because i think so many people are suffering needlesly because they haven't been given the correct info.
Thanks again for posting this information that is so valuable,
Hope you feel better,
Gael
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I started the ultimate zapper yesterday and I had my first mini-herx in awhile. Felt like it was activating some stuff in the throat area (where I have had cryptostrongylus pulmoni & have mercury)
Still taking the humaworm. The ultimate zapper creator said the eletroporation effect actually enhances the effect of parasite herbs by opening up pores in the cells
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Hi Gael... Thanks for asking. Yes, I just found out about all of this.
m0joey- Take note about the mercury or other toxins that may be freed up via killing parasites. I've been feeling pretty crappy. My lower back (probably the liver) hurts alot & I've been in kind of a malaise, tired, my lower abdomen hurts, nausea, etc.
My significant other did the herbs & got flu like symptoms. He thought he had the flu but it may have been a herx. He has bad allergies & parasites may be the cause...? He never had a herx before (he doesn't have Lyme).
I did the black walnut, wormwood & cloves for about 14 days or so. I couldn't take it anymore so I'm resting now. I felt like I had to give my body some time to heal. Alot of flukes came out. I think I did well.
I'd like to try the Humaworm next time around. The Zapper might be good to try, too, or infrared light when I'm ready for it.
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sparkle, sorry to hear you are so ill fighting off these parasites.
thanks for the DETAILED post above; i learned so much.
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Dear Sparkle7,
Wow! It sounds like you're really getting some great progress!
Thanks for posting the details from your research! I've found it very helpful!
I spoke with my LLMD today, as I was considering doing a gall bladder cleanse. He said that I should definitely do a parasite cleanse first, as parasites can clog up the gall bladder ducts, making it impossible for the gallstones to get out.
Yuck!
Anyway, I'm taking the A.I. drops now (near the end of the third series), and hoepfully will have an easier time dealing with the toxins from the parasites as they are killed off!!!!
I plan to start my parasite removal program when I'm done with this round of drops.
Best,
Cass A
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Thanks Betty! It's been difficult. I tried all kind of things to get well. I had numerous clinical diagnosis's of Fibro, CFS, your just depressed - take these anti-depressants, mercury toxicity, leaky gut, finally Lyme (all with no conclusive lab results).
When I did the abx - it didn't do anything except a slight herx & made me worse with yeast problems & cramps due to the drugs - not being ill. This parasite & liver cleanse really kicked my butt. It's possible I may have been ill with liver flukes all along & not Lyme.
Just so you guys know... I don't doubt that many do have Lyme but in my case, I just don't know. I think my back pain may be due to poor condition & lack of exercise. It might not be my liver as I suspected. My liver does need time to heal, though.
Cass A - your doctor seems to know about this. I actually did it the wrong way since I didn't think I had parasites (I took the Cowden herbs which were supposed to address that - I also had no sign that I had any kind of parasite)...
I'd say do it in the proper order. I think that did happen to me where a parasite or gall stone clogged up a duct - it was very painful. I couldn't walk for about 10 days. I was very inconvenient & just horrible.
I was considering going to see a doctor but I decided to tough it out & do another liver flush. It worked out OK. It wasn't until the 3rd liver flush that I saw I had some kind of parasite, though.
Just my experience - I'm not trying to suggest to anyone what to do. You have to read though all of this & make up your own mind.
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Dear Sparkle7,
Thanks for the feedback on doing these cleanses "out of sequence"!!!
My LLMD told me that about 80% of his chronic Lyme patients have parasite issues.
And, that handling the parasites is the one section of treatment that gives the largest gain on the road to recovery!!
I'm ready for THAT!!!
And, I wish you the best on your road, also!
Love,
Cass A
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Thank you, Cass A - I appreciate it.
Last night I passed ALOT of flukes & I passed a worm looking thing today. This is going to become a top priority for me now - to kill the parasites.
It may take me some time to get rid of the parasites but I have a feeling that this has been my block in the road to recovery. I wish it didn't take me 13 years to find this out!
When I look back at the 13 years I've been going through this - I don't think I even had Lyme to begin with. I may have been ill with "just" parasites all along. They do cause a number of very bad health issues.
For some reason, the American medical professionals seems to completely over look this aspect of human health... Why? I have no idea.
Good luck everyone!
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sparkle,
You may have already addressed this question in a previous post, but may I ask if you were ever tested for parasites?
I am asking because I just received my test results from LabCorp for parasites and it was negative. I just today sent my samples to Diagnos-Techs for parasites and yeast but I guess it will take a couple of weeks before I hear those results.
I honestly believe yeast and parasites are a huge problem for me and I am shocked the LabCorp test was negative.
Would you recommend treating anyway even if the tests come back negative?
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I would treat anyway.
I had a stool test done and some bad bacteria showed up but no parasites. I had visible parasites when I would treat them, so my lab test was obviously wrong.
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There is no harm to treating them, so I agree with six
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Leelee,
I was tested many times over the yrs for parasites and every test was negative.
The lymedoc that responsed to my e-mail on the Filarial Worm connection and one or 2 others said that the O&P tests usually come back negative even when they tested actual worms that were collected.
Studies have show that 90% of the population has parasites and that is counting the ones who don't have lyme disease.
I would absolutely treat for parasites. The medical community doesn't have a clue, it is a disgrace. Because of this ignorance it is causing a lot of suffering,
Gael
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Gael,
That is good to know. Do you know why the tests would come back negative even if there was evidence of parasites?
Is it carelessness on the part of the labs or a cover-up like with ELISA and Western Blots?
My herbalist did give me a tincture to treat the parasites I suspect I have, but she suggested holding off on it until I got all my test results back so we know exactly what we are or are not dealing with. Maybe I should go ahead and start taking it?
I am so confused.
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Leelee,
May I ask what the name of the tincture is? Do you know what parasites she suspects you have? I ask because there are so many, over 1,000 from what I have researched. Does she do ART testing?
As far as the labs go, I can't answer why they are so inept. You would think they would be much more sophisticated in 2009. It's possible that they only test for a few parasites because they believe that parasites are only a "Third World" country disease.
If they actually tested the worm itself and couldn't come up with an answer, it's beyond my comprehension.
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Dear Leelee,
In my conversation with my LLMD, I told him that I'd taken Humaworm, and just gotten incredibly constipated from it. He said that was a certain indicator that I had parasites.
Apparently, some reactions to parasite cleansing can be severe. If you think you know what type of parasites you have, do a search on that. Very recent posts on this topic of parasites went into more details than I can remember now!!!! Try doing a search here about them, if you'd like to get the info.
I'd recommend looking into it and asking your herbalist what the concern is in YOUR case.
Best,
Cass A
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: Leelee,
May I ask what the name of the tincture is? Do you know what parasites she suspects you have? I ask because there are so many, over 1,000 from what I have researched. Does she do ART testing?
The tincture she made for me is: hydroalcoholic extract of Oregon grape root, chamomile flower, myrrh resin, ginger rhizome, licorice root, bilberry fresh fruit, spirits of peppermint.
I am to take 7.5 ml two times daily.
She said this is a general parasite tincture and is not specific to any one.
Does this sound right to you or anyone else who would care to comment? I bought this tincture on May 22, but have not used it yet. I just don't know what to do.
Also, does anyone know how long it will take to get my Diagnos-Techs results back? I am guessing two weeks, but I don't really know.
Thank glm and everyone else who is helping me with this issue.
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Leelee,
The antiparasitics I am familiar with usually have black walnut, wormwood and cloves as well as other antiparasitic ingredients. Cloves are especially effective at killing the eggs and larva.
Maybe someone else will come along that is more familiar with this tincture. You can always take the tincture she gave you and see what it does.
Parasites are difficult to get rid of and takes many diff. protocols over a long period of time until you get rid of them. Like peeling an onion.
Gael
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Thank you, Gael.
I guess it won't hurt to try the tincture.
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Looks like everyone here is not giving those parasites and protozoans any chance whatsoever.!!!!
I wanted to add that I think diet is also a huge part of being able to kill these bugs.
I really have been slacking lately on my stricter diet and I can feel it near immediately when i do slip.
Just wanted to add that.. Try to make sure you take out ALL white things from your diet at the very least. No Sugar , Potatoes , White Rice, White Flour...
Just doing that much is a great way to keep on top of killing these bugs. With all the treatments I think you can somewhat sabatoge or slow down the killing of the bugs if your diet contains the things that bugs love to feed and grow on..
I have no proof or scientific study to prove any of what I wrote. I am not a doctor nor anyone in a medical position.
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Is Lyme considered a parasite infection or are they two separate issues?
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quote:Originally posted by HollyS: Is Lyme considered a parasite infection or are they two separate issues?
I think Lyme is a bacterial infection. But I wonder about Babesia. For some reason I think that might be a parasite.
I am looking forward to reading other poster's knowledgeable insights.
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I believe that Babesia is considered to be a red-blood cell parasite. Could be wrong about that--it wouldn't be the first time!!
One of the treatments for Babesia is Alinia, which is an anti-parasite drug.
Try doing a search about this here at Lymenet.
Best,
Cass A
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Lyme is a complex of bacteria, parasites, worms, fungus, yeast, viruses etc. However if you read the info on
you will get an idea of the MAJOR part parasites/worms play. Dr. K. treats all of his patients for parasites and worms first. The larger parasites protect the bactera. Getting rid of Lyme disease is like peeling an onion.
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I just wanted to give an update on my situation with regard to worms .... Ive been taking Hulda Clark's Super Wormwood Blend recently and hoping it might tackle the crypto strongylus worm I was diagnosed with last yr, and maybe other gut critters too. Well I think that it is working, I was taking it on and off but just this past week had a lot of die off and my gut felt really dodgy but since then my digestion does seem to have improved and it feels like i am absorbing food a lot better than usual.
I have also noticed quite a significant increase in endocrine function just today which feels like adrenal mostly. Over the last 18mths I have been in stage 5-6 adrenal exhaustion but today my energy has been around 70% - woohoo! :-) It is very subjective but it really feels like my cells are absorbing cortisol again.
Maybe as people have already said the bigger parasites protect the bacteria which might explain why I still have a chronic immunosuppressive situation as far as the lyme goes .... some recent lyme tests i had done showed no cellular immune reactivity to lyme and a very low CD57. Hopefully sorting out the worms/parasites will help my body to start fighting the lyme more now. Fingers crossed. I'm going to try Humaworm next.
I totally agree about diet - if I go off my diet I feel like a basketcase!
Hope everyone is doing well!
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Just to add to my my post I did start taking a homeopathic remedy made from my saliva yesterday too so that could also be contributing to the adrenal improvements... I guess it is never completely clear cut as to what is working tho I do feel the wormwood has played a significant part.
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Hi Shimmy,
Thanks for the update, that is great news. Just remember, persistence is key with getting rid of the parasites, so just keep going. Also, have you considered doing salt/c (sea salt) at all?
The sea salt and vitamin C really supports the adrenals big time. Not trying to push this on you, but you might want to consider it, even if it's a maintenance dose. Yes, you are right about worms affecting the HPA axis. Keep us posted,
Gael
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Thanks a lot for your post. Yes that was the mistake I made in the past, I did treat for parasites on & off yrs ago but didnt keep up with it as was advised at the time and ended up going down other avenues.. oh well hindsight and all that!
Yes I have considered doing the salt/c but from hair analysis I had done in the past, my potassium levels have always been found to be lower than sodium and I was a bit wary about imbalancing it even further... perhaps unjustified I dont know. I know that it has helped a lot of people tho and I do believe being salt deficient for many yrs partly contributed to the decline in my health. Thanks for the suggestion anyway! :-) I do take himalayan salt and vit C daily. Do you do the salt/c?
I have been having photon therapy for the lyme and going to start doing ozone too.
All the best
Anne
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Yes I agree with that Joey, Im not sure about it in my case as I do tend to get water retention if I take in a bit too much salt so have to be quite careful keeping my minerals balanced. I'm not sure if my kidneys could cope.
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I do about 1-2 tspn of salt & c, and that has been fine for me. My kidneys are testing strong. But I would just be wary about going much higher than that if you have orthostatic intolerance, POTS, NMH etc. The renin-angiotensis (the kidney produces renin) system needs to be kept in balance to aid the adrenals in producing aldosterone & aid the pituitary in producing vasopressin, all of which helps regulate blood pressure.
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Sea salt is in a highly charged state it is not static and will not store in your kidneys but pass through you as natural salts are meant to do. It is also water soluable.
Please don't mix up TABLE SALT and processed salt with sea salt. Totally different ball game. Table salt is POISON because it is devoid of any minerals and deposits and sits in the cells and organs.
We have been so misinformed about salt, and it is a crime. We are 75% saline and the composition is close to sea salt. Saline is the first thing they give you in the E.R.
Of course drink plenty of water if you do this protocol. I am not trying to sell salt/c to anyone, just letting you know how vital good salt is to our body,
Also eating foods high in potassium is very important with this.
Shimmey,
are you drinking enough water? Sometimes infection can be a cause of water retention as well as not moving your bowels everyday. Very important to keep the G. I. track clean,
Gael
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Thanks, no I dont take table salt, only himalayan or sea.
I absolutely agree with you about the importance of proper salt, as long as all the other alkaline minerals are kept in balance too. Yes I think thats probably true about the infections and water retention ... acid/alkaline imbalance too I think in my case. I do try to take in a lot of fluid but have had difficulty at times I think partly due to the mineral deficiency and the gut infections. Yes totally agree about keeping the GI tract clean! I find juicing quite helpful.
I take about the same Joey, I dont suffer too much from POTS etc even tho I have tended to lower blood pressure but that seems to be normalising recently.
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At this time, I sort of doubt that I even have or had Lyme... I think I had parasites all along that were making me ill. I'm very disappointed that it took me 13 years to finally get to this.
It's actually pretty simple to get a black walnut hull, wormwood & clove combination, take it for a couple weeks & see what happens. I'm really disgusted at how much time it took, all the "doctors" I've seen, how much money I spent & drugs, IVs, & supplements that I've taken that were unnecessary...
Anyway, I decided to try MMS. I also got some Lugol's iodine since my thyroid seems deficient. I never had a test & I'm not going to bother since most tests are not accurate in my opinion & just a waste of money...
I can see the flukes & worms. One night, I passed quite a few of them. After you know what to look for - it becomes easier to spot pieces of worms or parasites, flukes, etc. in your feces. It's not pleasant but I think it's important to inspect your bowel movements.
I'm ramping up the MMS slowly. I've been a bit achey but haven't noticed anything major, yet. I did the black walnut hull combo for about 2 weeks & I had to take a break. It felt like someone took a hole puncher to my liver. It needed to heal a bit.
It seems like this parasite issue is sort of taboo in the US but it shouldn't be.
This lady makes it kind of funny. I recommend that everyone should watch this -
The thing with natural salt is that you may be getting too much of the trace minerals if you take alot. I posted some info here that says it's better to use Kosher salt. We really do need iodine, too - from what I have been reading.
Some people consider Lyme a parasite. When you start reading about how complex parasites are - I'm not sure it matters to know all of the specifics unless you are into it.
It seems to be a process of ruling things out. Once the parasites are gone or diminished - you can rule that out as a cause of many issues. It's fairly simple to do but many people just don't want to think there are bugs inside your body causing havoc. It's easier to think of viruses or bacteria. Somehow, those things don't seem as disgusting.
If I had to do everything all over again - I would take some black walnut hulls, wormwood & cloves in capsule form for 2 weeks & see what happened. I think the capsules are stronger than the tincture.
It seems like a relatively easy first step to ruling out what may be the cause of one's illness. I think this parasite issue is going to become more & more prevalent as time goes on. The eggs are microscopic & can be in the water, in meat, fish, fruits & veggies... everywhere.
Some places use sewage as a fertilizer - so it can be in crops imported from other countries or in food that is not handled properly. You can get parasites from your pets, too.
I used to eat watercress that I bought in a Korean market alot. This is a big place for flukes or fluke eggs to be (snails like watercress, snails are part of the fluke lifecycle, etc.).
So, you just can't be to careful. Recently, there was a big sewage spill into the river near me. Another source of parasites... It's everywhere.
It just seems best to do anti-parasite herbs as a regular thing these days. They can cause so many health problems that you wouldn't even consider... such as cancer, brain problems, allergies, asthma, liver problems (which can lead to all kind of endocrine issues), intestinal issues. They can go everywhere in the body.
It's a big thing! Get rid of the parasites & you might be able to address what's making you ill from a whole other perspective.
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i've been learning alot thru you all; try to read this daily but miss here and there.
do you need a dr. to start getting rid of worms in us all? thx
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Hi Folks,
I have been in the process of moving. I could no longer afford where I was living before. Well anyway I had a rough fall cleaning where I am living now.
I am a coming back into the swing of things.
Here is a great article I ran into. I do not know how to break the article up.
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i just received THE DOCTORS TV LINEUP for this week,
THURSDAY, JUNE 11, 3 pm CST, abc i think! *****************************************************
they will have a segment of the show on WORMS! sushi was mentioned but they showed worms in the preview of show.
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Hi Betty,
A lot of people treat themselves for worms and parasites.
The herbs are much easier on the liver and system in general than the meds that the doctor may give you.
You may be more comfortable with a ND guiding you through this. Wow, can't wait to hear your feedback on the program you just listed.
Gael
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Thanks for the Dr Overman info. I'll look it over later. From what I read, the most basic thing you can do is to use the black walnut hulls, wormwood & cloves. You can get this on line or at many vitamin stores.
I really don't have the money or time to waste on doctors but that is just my opinion... I don't think they know how to treat these sorts of illnesses like Lyme, parasites, etc. I'm not saying they are all bad but I don't think they have the answers.
I've read that people have used drugs to kill the parasites but they come back. Seems to me the herbs are better but it's not for everyone to self-treat. I have been doing this for a while - so, I'm OK with it.
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