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Yicks! I have no idea what these might be but has she eaten any fruit with skin, i.e., blueberries--not that these are blue--but something along those lines?
Sorry I can't offer more help.
I hope someone comes along who can give you a proper answer.
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After reading your other post, seeing that your baby is only on breast milk, and that her stools are also mucousy, I would have to say those certainly look like some of the worm pictures that I have seen.
Mucous in the stool is a fairly good indicator of parasites from what I have read.
Save these pictures. Did you keep the wormy things? I would do that too.
Good luck, Feelfit
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They sure look like worms to me. Save the worms if you can. Poor baby. If you see them again or if she starts getting sick, call your new pediatrician and insist on bringing her in right away,
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We're about 5 minutes from someone going A-Wall here and getting so mad about these disgusting pics and reporting to the moderators. lol. I tried something like this and people went CRAZY and I was warned. Apparently some don't have the stomach. They look like worms to me. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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The difference is that she states " Warning Graphic Pictures" on the post. If someone looks that is offended it's their choice and on them.
It's time to stop the denial and take a look at what is playing a MAJOR part in this disease. Photos like this and the one you posted seek can be valuable learning tools.
P. S. the old saying "A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words" could certainly apply.
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I'm 12 days into Humaworm Gael. I'm trying. It's been tough on me. I wonder if I really do herx on this stuff. It's tough to say it this herbal mix can really do this or if it's my Abx.
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It's hard to tell what's doing what when you're taking other meds. I can tell you that I have definitely herxed on the Humaworm. I was getting drenching sweats a couple of hours after I took it for the first couple weeks.
I haven't had that symptom in a very long time. I think if you take something new and start getting different symptoms that would be a pretty good indication of what's causing the herx.
Another person I have been in touch with said 3 days into it saw black marble looking things in the toilet. Probably stones from the gallbladder or liver.
You're a trooper seek, and I commend you for trying it again. Please don't give up if you don't see anything this time. If the infection is deep, it can take a while.
Just keep going and try and do the "other cleanses". The rewards are great when these creatures finally exit.
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Nope...she hadn't eaten anything. She just hit 6 months old today and isn't on solids yet. She is exclusively breastfed.
She has a lot of allergies/sensitivities to foods that I eat; gluten, dairy, strawberries, bananas and tomatoes.
She also has a lot of mucus in her poo. She has had a few bouts of vomiting too.
I fired her current pediatrician because they completely blew me off with all this. The new office seems genuinely concerned. They want me to journal and continue to take pics of her poo.
I have an appointment in two weeks but if her symptoms appear again then that is when they want to see her. They would rather see her when she is sick to better asses the situation. I am ok with that.
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Oh My.. Those look just like the ones on Lymephotos. The ones that look chain linked kinda. Forgot which ones but . wow wow. I would make sure you get to a doctor and show them to them. Keep them in a jar or something.
I have seen those posted here before.
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Unfortunately I didn't save any of the worms or her diapers. I really didn't know what to do at the time. I'm glad I at least took pictures.
When I did her stool test I made sure the sample included some of the worms. It still came back as negative. How can that be?
springshowers...you mean someone else posted something like this? Do you remember who? I would love to find out what their tests revealed.
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If you see those again, save them, take them to a physician preferably a parasitologist. They will be able to distinguish if they are worms or something else entirely.
Aside from that I can't give a lot of help as I don't do pediatrics.
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holly,
were you the one who east FRESH SUCHI on a regular basis and have for YEARS?
speculation here ... but could the worms in you have gone to your baby congenitally?
i don't know anything about this, but just my gut reaction from seeing the photos & thinking you posted about loving to eat fresh sushi today.
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Yes, those are parasites. I would show them to your doctor asap.
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lymebytes, i did show the images to her dr. and she blew me off. I have since fired her and have an appointment with a new pediatrician.
Yes bettyg, I love sushi. I don't eat it on a regular basis only because it is so expensive.
I did eat some a few occasions while I was pregnant though.
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Holly..
Here are the photos springshowers is referring to. I had EXACTLY the same thing come pouring out of me in the toilet several yrs ago when I started taking antiparasitics.
I am not suggesting you give your baby salt/c. Just wanted you to see the photos that look just like your babys. I keep posting that Parasites and worms play a MAJOR part in Lyme disease.
I keep getting pms from people who are having the same experience. They said they never would have believed it if they didn't see it for themselves. You should consider treating yourself for these. Your baby probably got these in utero,
Gael
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I would take it to my vet. Since they seem to know more than most docs about these things.
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I know an 18 month old who had tummy aches a lot and also a lot of food sensitivities and they discovered she had some kind of parasite (from swimming in a lake). They gave her Alinia and that cleared it up.
Not sure if babies can take it or if it would help with worms, but it might be worth looking into.
If anyone knows what these are called(what kind of worm it is)
I would definitely like to learn more about it.
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mojoe....
check out the
www.lymephotos.com Parasites and worms play a MAJOR role in Lyme disease.
site also you can get good info at curezone parasites forums
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But I do not know of any proof just that it is on that site and many people have seen them.
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holly, thanks for answering ... it was you talking about sushi.
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Yea it is definitely the same thing pictured on the lymephotos site.
I think they have just mislabeled it.
There are tons of people talking about this on curezone.....well this and liver flukes.
Would some kind of lab know what this is?
Or some sort of parisite specialist?
I'm just curious what it is and where it comes from.
Oh and i passed these on alinia.
Just wondering what everyone else has tried....and what worked the best?
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Holly,
I agree they do look like a parasite, especially the first photo.
Looking at the other photos They look like maybe irritated intestinal lining, or maybe a bloody clotting too.
If you gave this specimen to a lab, they should be able to tell you what they are, or did you just have a parasite check?
Did you find it dissolved in water, or changed color?
I don't know, it is interesting.
Hope you get to the bottom of this soon-
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mojoe,
Can you post the curezone link where they are talking about this. I posted a while ago letters from lymedocs that I e-mailed in reference to idenifying parasites and worms.
One of the responses was that along with the O & P (ova & parasites) usually coming back negative, they had worms specimens that came back negative. Very frustrating not to mention the incompentency of a lot of labs.
I was tested numerous times thru the yrs and nothing showed up. However, I expelled EXACTLY what is pictured on lymephotos and then some.
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I did send off a stool sample for testing through my pediatrician's office. There were visible worms in the sample.
The sample came back negative. We had all three kids tested.
It is very frustrating.
No, they didn't disolve in water or change color. I even picked one up with a baby wipe to get a better look.
It was definitely solid.
I haven't seen any in over a week now. She also hasn't pooped three days.
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Holly,
Brought the Lymedocs response thread back up for you to read about the labs. I can understand your frustration. Maybe you could send an e-mail to the people at Humaworm. They are very nice and helpful.
You could send them the pictures and maybe they can help you identify the parasite. They are usually very prompt with a response. The e-mail is
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Thanks for the links mojoe,
Gael
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Hi, if you still have some of the "worms" I'd take them to a veterinarian and get their opinion.
Could these be strings of clotted blood? It doesn't really look like strings of blood to me, but neither do they look like worms...just a suggestion.
Did they appear to be alive when first eliminated? ...were they moving?
Did you roll them around to examine their shape? ...were they round or flattened? did they hold their shape, or disentigrate when examined?
It appears they are doubled...is that an artifact?
These don't really look like worms to me, but I'd love to have an expert opinion.
Do you have a nearby university with a parasitology department? ...or an interested veterinarian? Do you have a tropical medicine specialist or pediatric gastroenterologist nearby?
It's crazy the sample you sent contained some of these, yet it was determined to be negative for worms.
Was it sent for an O & P study? ...an ova and parasite examination of the stool = studied for worm eggs + worms
Be sure to get the actual copy of the test results from your doctor, not just the piece of paper that says your recent test was normal. You may be surprised at what is written on the actual report.
Breastfed babies can have a lot of gas, mucus and some strings of blood due to a allergy or intolerance to casein, the protein in cow's milk. This protein passes from the mother's digestive system, into the blood stream, and eventually through the breast milk, which causes problems in some babies.
You may want to do some research on dairy or milk intolerance. Casein intolerance in babies can be so severe as to cause colic, reflux, and failure to thrive syndrome.
This is more common in the babies of adults who had problems digesting milk products as babies. Did anyone in your family have trouble with cow's milk as a baby?
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No, I do not believe they are strings of clotted blood.
No, they were not alive/moving.
They were very small so examining their shape was difficult. They did hold their shape though. I was able to pick one up using a baby wipe.
What do you mean by artifact?
Yes, I want to know what they are too.
I don't know about a parasitology department or interested veterinarian or the such.
Yes, I was surprised at the results as well. I will ask for a copy of the report.
I am not sure what kind of study they did.
She does have a problem when I consume dairy so I have already eliminated it from my dairy several months ago.
I have also eliminated gluten, bananas, strawberries and tomatoes because all of those seem to bother her.
I am lactose intolerant and my husband's brother is allergic to milk. I also suspect my oldest daughter has a sensitivity to cow's milk as well. Her allergy test came up negative.
Unfortunately I didn't keep any of the "worms". I am watching her diaper for more though.
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I'm glad you have the photos.
Artifact is something that isn't as it appears...like the glare from a light source makes a photo look like there's a bolt of lightning in a photo...or red eyes in a photo. An artifact is an error in a photo or other image due to an outside influence...glare, light reflection,
...air bubbles in a stool sample can resemble round worm eggs; a worm stuck to another worm can look like a double worm, etc...
I just read your other thread on this subject. You may also want to get all copies of your test results, especially the parasite test. Any parasite should be identified, otherwise the physician wouldn't know how to treat it. Different types of worms require different treatments.
I see you have a family history of problems with milk products.
You may want to work with a international board certified lactation consultant, an allergist, and an nutritionist to help with your baby's intolerances/allergies. A team approach is helpful in situations like these.
You may want to eat according to a 4 day rotation plan to help your baby not develop new allergies/intolerances, such as to soy products. A significant percentage of babies allergic to casein become allergic to soy.
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Hmmmm....not sure if it an artifact. I guess it could be two "worms" stuck together.
I have my test results when I tested positive for a parasite but they weren't able to identify it.
I will make sure I get a copy of the baby's results as well.
Great idea on the team approach as well as the 4 day rotation on foods.
We are just starting to introduce solids and I plan to go very slow with it.
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Three of my children were very intolerant of dairy and soy products in my diet. I breastfed them and finally learned to adjust my diet during pregnancy to lessen the chance of causing it. It was a horrible thing before we learned what caused all of their screaming. One child's growth rate doubled when I eliminated all traces of dairy and soy. The soy intolerance developed after the dairy intolerance. I didn't know to rotate the foods.
One family member with Lyme has developed many food intolerances that looks like a gluten intolerance, but all the blood tests come back normal.
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My blood test also came back normal for gluten but it was the stool test that confirmed an intolerance.
I already knew I was dairy and gluten intolerant based on an elimination diet.
I will rotate what I eat. Great advice.
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hshbmom,
If you will read the posts above and look at the links springsgowers provided from lymephotos and the ones mojoes provided from curezone, you will see that many people have expelled these parasitic/worms.
The pictures holly provided appear to be exactly the same parasite.
I also provided links in reference to the response from lymedocs as to the inaccuracy they have experienced when the have sent tests to labs for O&P including the whole worm specimen.
BTW, Allergies are listed as one of the symptoms of parasites,
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These photos do look similar to the others. They kind of look like tapeworms because the segments may make the worm look striped.
I've seen many many animal parasites, but very few human parasites.
They don't look like flukes due to the shape.
We really need an expert opinion on this...a parasitologist knows what types of parasties humans can have and don't deny the obvious, as many physicians do.
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Deffinatly some sort of parasites Ill keep searching
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Holly,
You might want to give her more water to hydrate her colon. So sorry she is going thru this. The green sticky poo sure sounds like infection to me. Hope your doctor wants to see her right away. Please keep us informed,
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