OK...this is rumor and speculation that I have heard from many.
There are some researchers who believe, or I should say speculate that Willie B, after finding the filarial worms in the ticks, and understanding how they are spread through the bite, used them as a mechanism himself to spread the bb in biological warfare.
Infecting the ticks with the bb, in Germany in the black forest during WWII. That he was somehow on the team and felt responsible. That's how he was able to "discover bb"! Because he already knew it was there. Like his was in need of repentance when he came to the USA, and uncovered this to help us?
I don't necessary believe anything about this...but recently have heard this from multiple sources.
This is rumor... but told to me by many who understand bb.
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All I know is that bb has been around since the beginning of time, from what I understand from researchers. As well as parasites!
But the varieties have mutated into the lyme bb we now see, as well vectors that carry mutated filarial warms along with pesticides and who knows what other things. This is now seen in humans.
Why can't our immune systems now take care of it naturally? It has now been invaded by substances, chemicals or pathogens it does not recognize and is unable to control.
It's like a weed, and sometimes you need to follow the symptoms to dig deep to get to the root of the problem.
Not everyone is a "Dr. HOuse" and can see this.
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Lymeparfait,
I do not beieve the BB has been around since the beggining of time, not for one second, ticks YES.
Did you have a bullseye rash? If you haven't, have you done some research on PRIONS?
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Yes, I was bit by a tick in California, Marin County. Had an extreme bulls eye rash. Thought it was a spider bite at the time. didn't think you could get lyme in CA!
Possibly re-infected in NJ, and most likely bit on the East Coast as a child. These were my symptomatic times.
Believe I also got something from mosquitoes, as I lived on the edge of a wildlife refuge as a child. Mulitiple bites by mosquitoes all summer long!
Had symptoms as a child.
My symptoms progressed into neuro and joint and lung and then lupus. Had it big time....now finally remission from lyme now at least. Still have other issues.
My kids have issues from birth, one was born with a rash on her chin and genetals, and the other a hemangeoma! The rash continued to come and go until puberty. Loads of intestinal trauma from birth. They have minor health issues all of their life.
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lymeparfait,
Is Columbia doing any research on the Filarial Worm connection?
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Tolife I do not need to mislead anyone. Just
trying to make people think on their own. We know
we cannot believe the main stream medical
community. If I had I would most likely be dead
or in a nursing home. That being said. Yes I have
studied Autism as related to vaccine for years.
Since my daughter was 15mths old she has not
received any vaccines for which the MMR gave her
GBS. I do not amuse myself in the knowledge that if
Bb can not be found and identified by most
mainstream labs that there could be a yet
undiscovered cause for autism. I fear not for me
but for others. I have also studied Prions from
the beginnings. I watched in horror as they
slaughtered 80 million cattle in Europe. It still
goes right back to what we can do. Build and
support immune system. And find the causes for
why our immune systems have become faulty in
protecting us.
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Dear ToLife,
I have watched for 20 years the autism epidemic
escalate to 1 in 5 in California alone. While being
cautious. It is also noted by the CDC that the
most cases of Microfiliaria are being found in
CA? Could there be a connection? I am a mother of 3 and master of
none. No one is going to listen to
me. This just needs the curtains pulled and the
people to pull together if no one else will. I
don't know what natotech is.
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I don't have Autism or Alzheimers in my family at all.
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I agree that this is not just a California problem and that parasites and worms are a serious co-infection of Lyme Complex.
IMO brain parasites are a huge problem when peoples brains are being compromised.
Examples: Depression, bi-polar, Alzheimer etc. I just don't understand why this is such a mystery. It's like looking for the ring that you have right on your finger.
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To Life that is just what my MD thought I am
sure. It was me who found out I have Lyme and
even after he saw my positive Igenex he still
said I did not have it. My LLMD begs to differ.
No it is not a California problem. But maybe the
best place to start looking. And it appears it is
not the governments problem either. Or else they
would at least put a team on it who is not a
group of doctors who are in the drug companies
pockets. Agree? Micul I commend you on bringing
this discussion to our attention. Is anyone
knocking on your door to have you supply blood
for research? Then where are they getting it? I
Love You Tolife. No matter what you think of me.
Money for research is going to get tighter=state
of the economy and all. If this is a possibility
they do not need to lose the little dollars they
have by someone saying it is not possible. And
it is our responsibility to tell them as we have
compromised immune systems it can.
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NO Way. They only find Prions in fungus and yeast
forms. And the 2 latest out of the 7 known to exit
came from genes. See what I mean. While stating
this opinion it is all true yet often
misinterpreted. It is easier for them to say no way
than to say it could be possible and take a look.
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No but I am real strickler when it comes to being prepared. How bout you?
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Dear Pinelady,
I have been in treatment for nearly 3 months of the horror, of parasites. Total LYME treatment a bit over 2 years. I wish I would of only started sooner. Please hang in their.
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Micul I have the worm infection and Babesia too and have taken Doxy and Ivermectin - tho not together. I doubt if I did the treatment long enough for the worms to be gone completely.
I was interested if you found the Babs in your blood though - or if not - what seems to have done the trick in getting rid of it??
thanks for any info Emma
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The proper way to tackle a filariae infestation is to go after the adult worms first, because that's where the supply is most likely coming from. That's what Vets do with dogs for heartworm. Even if the Ivermectin did work, there would be a constant supply of thousands of eggs on a daily basis from the adults.
Long term Doxy may keep the adults from reproducing.....I don't know for sure. I just checked my blood again yesterday, and I couldn't find any filariae, so it appears that the Iver/Doxy combo is working for me.
I am doing more than the standard dose though. The story that I heard through the Lyme treatment grapevine is to take the appropriate dose for ones body weight on day 1, day 7, and then day 13. I am doing this, except that I am taking the Ivermectin for two consecutive days instead of just one, followed by two consecutive days for each of the next weeks....so double the dose.
According to the study that I posted, it's important to start off with 4 weeks of Doxy prior to taking the Ivermectin, and then continuing it for the next three weeks. I also increased the Doxy to 300 mgs a day instead of just 200. Not getting rid of the filariae could have something to do with not being able to clear Babs. There are other drugs that might be more effective against your strain of worm larvae.
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Hey Micul if this works for malaria it may also
work for Bb and these bugs. If you hear neg. let me
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I stopped taking vitamins and supps (esp mag/cal) over two years ago, and I believe that it has been a big part of my doing so well. It was my experience that supps were/are beneficial, but that applies to the organisms that we are trying to get rid of as well. Malaria protocols are very short term, and I doubt if there was any long term analysis of two groups.
I made up three more slides to look at yesterday in order to check for filariae, and they all came up clear. So it seems that the Ivermectin is effective. However; I came accross what looks to me like a blood fluke that has not been affected by it. Whatever it is, it doesn't absorb the stain like the filariae do. You can see that it is tranparent, and I could only see it under high power with immersion oil. It's bigger in diameter and shorter than the worms. Here are the pics, top and bottom halfs. The third one was pre- Ivermectin, and I'm not sure what it is....looks like a squid : Remember that all of these parasites are microscopic. They can't be seen even with a magnifying glass.
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Micul,
These pictures are fantastic!!. Are you having any symptoms at all? What method do you use to obtain your blood? Please keep posting these as you see them and let us know what's working.
Thanks,
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Why isn't medicine approached in this way? Especially infectious disease doctors? Why are they not looking at blood, which obviously reveals what ails us?
Thank you Micul for sharing all of this. I didn't see in your posts. Is a doctor following you and rx'ing meds for the ivermectin and doxy?
Or are you going it alone?
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Feelfit,
They would just say, it's not their field.
Then if they want to get more detailed, they would say it's NOT their field, they specialize in.
Then their plan C would be is everything is SOO specialized it's not their field, VERY, and VERY, complex.
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well it stinks. It is not fair.
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Feelfit,
If you do not have an RN working for you, it is vital that we learn to be are own advocates.
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All of us have to be our own advocates and do our own research including RNs. It makes no difference and it can actually work against you in some ways,
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quote:Why isn't medicine approached in this way? Especially infectious disease doctors? Why are they not looking at blood, which obviously reveals what ails us?
Dr's just don't have the time to be as thorough as they would like. It takes 2 to 3 hrs of preparation before the slides are ready to look at, and then it takes an hour to look at a single slide at 1000x under immersion oil. Each slide is only a single drop of blood that is squeezed out of the end of a finger that has been punctured with a needle. I use one of those automatic pokers that diabetics use for testing their blood.....it's painless.
Even a lab won't spend that much time looking at a slide in such a detailed manner. Let's face it, nobody is going to spend that much time on a single person unless it is yourself. Some of these parasites would not be seen unless they are in immersion oil because they are transparent. The oil gives a kind of 3D effect that reveals details that would otherwise not be seen.
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Dear Gael,
I have RN mates that have helped me in my prior medical problems.
But you are right, they do not understand all this worm and Lyme hell.
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Looks like some kind of a protozoa to me.
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If you want to try some silver stain I can send you a jarro.
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Yes. Fine Micul. there are some who are looking like Ben Luft and Dr. F. and Dr. K at Clongen. I just wish that we had the opportunity to get those 3 hours.
I guess that I will have to get a scope and train myself in these techniques and find out what is wrong with me and then pay a doctor (after I tell them and show them my problem) to give me a script for treatment.
I should have went to med school. I missed the boat..
Pls keep updating with your posts,they are facinating. I am happy that your floaters went away after treating these worms. I hope that you feel better in other aspects as well.
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Are there any resources available that detail various slide staining techniques/procedure?
I have a 'scope but not much experience using it yet...
Thanks.
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